Linux-Misc Digest #957, Volume #26 Sun, 28 Jan 01 19:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: rh7 bootdisk ? ("The Brain")
LILO won't compile (fafaforza)
Java Servlet installation (Wael)
Re: can't use mkbootdisk (Patrick Machado)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: turbo pascal for linux (Dirk Groeneveld)
Re: zip usb (Kyle Dansie)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Utility for finding absolute path of file? (Harlan Grove)
Looking for Math Software (John Gluck)
Re: Looking for Math Software ("lordq")
Re: Looking for Math Software ("lordq")
Re: Utility for finding absolute path of file? (Harlan Grove)
Upgrading Red Hat 6.0 (Maybe to Slackware) ("Brett Sheeran")
Re: Looking for Math Software ("Lin A. Ne")
Re: Help with Bash Alias (Robert Canright)
Re: How to create a CD image
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:58:59 GMT
"Steve Ackman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:38:53 GMT, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> There presently is nothing that produces even being half-way WYSIWYG
HTML out
> >> there - because it doesn't exist. HTML is "hypertext markup language" -
and
> >> that's it. There are so many different interpretations of the
de-facto-W3C
> >> standard, that it is nowadays virtually impossible to claim that any
editor
> >> was capable of producing HTML-output that would exactly work the way
the
> >> designer meant it to be.
> >
> >
> >This is from another article in this thread:
> >
> >> The W3C is the HTML standards body. Amaya is the W3C's testbed
> >> browser/editor. Any HTML output by Amaya is W3C compliant.
> >> (read "any-browser" compliant if you wish)
> >
> >Is this statement accurate?
>
> I'm the one who wrote it, so I'd have to opine that
> it is. However, if you wish to verify that it is,
> simply go to http://www.w3.org/Amaya and form your
> own opinion.
>
> >If so - great, put a usable front-end on Amaya, and you have a graphical
web
> >page design tool that outputs HTML
>
> Not that I use it as an HTML authoring tool, but what's
> wrong with the "front-end" it currently uses?
Amaya is indeed a GUI program. As to what's wrong with it, it's a buggy
piece of shit that locks and crashes all the time. I haven't tried to use
it in awhile, so maybe it's improved since. I also don't care for its
Motif-ey look. Other GUI design toolkits have come along since that look a
lot nicer, especially in the area of readable fonts.
Other than that, I don't really see a use for Amaya, though some might (if
it actually worked). It's very similar to Netscape Composer in feel and
scope, though the code it spits out is supposedly better. But since it's so
limited in features, almost anyone can write such simple HTML by hand
anyway. So it might be a good replacement for Composer and the like, but
most people looking for a WYSIWYG editor are usually looking for something
more sophisticated. And the answer for them is still to stop wasting their
time trying to do this with Linux, and to go out and buy an iMac or a
Winbox, and a copy of Dreamweaver.
My favorite? Quanta+, which isn't WYSIWYG, but it's very convenient to use.
It's basically a copy of Homesite (for Windows), but better. I can't think
of a better tool for learning HTML. For quick stuff I also use Nedit a lot,
another ugly, Motif-ey app, which works well nonetheless.
Finally, this subject was recently covered on TechTV's "The Screensavers."
You can probably find it in the show notes at www.techtv.com, and it's also
at www.maximumlinux.com
Matt O.
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From: "The Brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,redhat.general
Subject: Re: rh7 bootdisk ?
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:09:57 +1100
I just installed Linux on a new machine yesterday with this error, I fixed
it by doing the following:
use partition magic to make a 16M boot sector BEFORE cylinder 1024, this can
be found in the info drop down menu under info...
I placed mine first (aka cylinder 0-1) then your other partitions ( / and
/boot) can go either before as primary partitions or later as logical
ones...
it makes no difference in the long run except that you will have /dev/->
hda1, hda2, hda5, and hda6 with I think is a little messy better to make
them primary...
Then install lilo or reinstall Linux (depending on wether you removed or
copied the partitions)
HTH
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From: fafaforza <>
Subject: LILO won't compile
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:21:07 -0500
Very weird error, no info at all. After I type 'make in version 21.6.1
cc -E check-config.cpp `( if [ -r $ROOT/etc/lilo.defines ]; then cat
$ROOT/etc/lilo.defines; else echo -DM386 -DIGNORECASE -DVARSETUP
-DREWRITE_TABLE -DONE_SHOT -DVERSION -DREISERFS; fi ) | sed
's/-D/-DLCF_/g'` `[ -r /usr/include/asm/boot.h ] && echo -DHAS_BOOT_H`
>/dev/null
cc -E `( if [ -r $ROOT/etc/lilo.defines ]; then cat
$ROOT/etc/lilo.defines; else echo -DM386 -DIGNORECASE -DVARSETUP
-DREWRITE_TABLE -DONE_SHOT -DVERSION -DREISERFS; fi ) | sed
's/-D/-DLCF_/g'` `[ -r /usr/include/asm/boot.h ] && echo -DHAS_BOOT_H`
-DIMAGES=19 -DCODE_START_1=108 -DCODE_START_2=14 -DDESCR_SIZE=52
-DDSC_OFF=24 -DDSC_OFF2=29 -DDFCMD_OFF=34 -DMSG_OFF=40 -DFLAGS_OFF=48
-DMENU second.S -o temp2.s
as86 -0 -a -w -l temp2.lis -o temp2.o temp2.s
00821 0321 74 00> toNull: je near null
! cursor control
*****
^junk after operands
01510 07D3 72 00> jb near doload
*****
^junk after operands
00821 0321 74 00 toNull: je near
null ! cursor control
*****
^unbound label
*****
^junk after operands
01510 07D3 72 00 jb near
doload
*****
^junk after operands
*****
^unbound label
00004 errors
00000 warnings
make: *** [temp2.o] Error 1
rm temp2.o
The whitespace and all is probably screwed up so I upped the text file
to:
http://dario_m.tripod.com/log.txt
Thanks for any info on getting an updated lilo up.
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From: Wael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Java Servlet installation
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:20:16 GMT
Hi,
I am not sure whether this question should be posted to a java
newsgroup or a linux one..
may be both.
anyway, I downloaded the servlet package and installed it.
went exactly by the book (actually Sun's installation guide or whatever),
but when I try to start the servlet by doing:
./startup.sh
or
java -cp runner.jar:servlet.jar:classes org.apache.tomcat.shell.Startup $*
I have the java compiler set in the path, so that's no problem.
When I try to run it, I get
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/apache/tomcat/startup/Tomcat
I tried to fix the problem by making a symbolic link in the
/usr/local/jakarta-tomcat-3.2.1/bin to point to:
ln -s /usr/local/jakarta-tomcat-3.2.1/src/org
but it didn't work
also i noticed according to the error, the command should probably be
java -cp runner.jar:servlet.jar:classes org.apache.tomcat.startup.Tomcat
instead of
java -cp runner.jar:servlet.jar:classes org.apache.tomcat.shell.Startup $*
am i correct?
in any case i don't have 'runner.jar' on my system and 'servlet.jar'
is located in /usr/local/jakarta-tomcat-3.2.1/lib
what should i do? what is messed up on my system?
i running Slackware 7.1 with upgraded kernel 2.4.0
Kindly post only
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From: Patrick Machado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't use mkbootdisk
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:23:48 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am new to linux. I have redhat v7. I am trying to make a bootable
> floppy. I read about mkbootdisk so I tried. The thing is, my system
> can't find it. I tried to install the rpm from the CD but it says it's
> already on my system so it won't install it. I can't use it. HELP!!
You can force it to overwrite an installed copy of a program.
therefore you could do : rpm -i --force mkbootdisk.xxxxx.rpm
>From rpm book page:
"Adding --force to an install command is a way of saying ``Install it
anyway!'' In essence, it adds --replacepkgs and
--replacefiles to the command. Like a big hammer, --force is an
irresistible force that makes things happen. In fact, the
only thing that will prevent a --force'ed install from proceeding is a
dependency conflict.
And like a big hammer, it pays to fully understand why you need to use
--force before actually using it. "
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 28 Jan 2001 22:26:47 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <9516hv$hru$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams wrote:
:>RMS has nothing to do with "Open Source,"
: [...]
:>he may have popularized, written, and supported a great deal of
:>it [OS Software]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I said FREE SOFTWARE, not "open-source software." There is a
difference, and that was my whole point.
: That doesn't sound like having "nothing to do with Open Source"
: to me.
See:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
The terms "free" and "open-source" share a lot of overlap - indeed all
software that is free in the sense of freedom/liberty is open-source,
by definition, and most open-source software is free as well - but
those who are a part of BOTH movements recognize that the difference
in terminology is important.
Joe
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From: Dirk Groeneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: turbo pascal for linux
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:12:25 +0100
Dirk Groeneveld wrote:
> For various reasons, I had to write a program in Turbo Pascal 7.0.
> I want this program to run on linux. Is there a way?
> I didn't use any of the units Turbo Pascal comes with, but I did use
> objects.
I solved it myself, I discovered that gpc, the gnu pascal compiler, is
fully borland compatible.
And damn, this thing is fast! The borland compiler pales by comparison!
Dirk
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From: Kyle Dansie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: zip usb
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:45:33 GMT
Patrick Machado wrote:
>
> does anybody know how to setup a usb zip in linux?
> tanx
You need one of the latest versions of the kernel, then read
http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x498.html
Should get you going.
Cheers,
Kyle
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:50:55 -0500
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Sorry, Open Source was essentially created by RMS, an American who followed
> : his principles for something like 10+ years before Linus got on the
> : bandwagon. Why do you people like to think the US never invents anything?
>
> That is incorrect. RMS has nothing to do with "Open Source," and
> admits that free software predates him by a long time - he may have
> popularized, written, and supported a great deal of it himself, but
> the idea is at least as old as computing itself.
>
Back to the 1950's at least..
> Joe
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Utility for finding absolute path of file?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:49:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Gerard H. Pille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> Has noone ever heard of "type" and "which"?
And if the file in question isn't executable, what help is either?
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From: John Gluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Looking for Math Software
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:05:49 GMT
Hi
I am looking for math software to help me with studying.
What I would like to be able to do is enter functions and see curves
drawn in a window.
Ideally, the package would allow me to compare various functions by
drawing several in the same window.
The package should work in X windows or with gnome or KDE.
It doesn't need to be anything spectacular and professional like Matlab.
This is just to get a reasonable approximation and a graphical view of
things.
Please copy my e-mail as well as the group.
TIA
John
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From: "lordq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Looking for Math Software
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:16:48 +0100
try kplot ... its very easy (perhaps to easy? :-) ... it should be in
your distro ...
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From: "lordq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Looking for Math Software
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:20:04 +0100
otherwise ... if kplot is too simple ... try python biggles ... you can
get it at biggles.sourceforge.net ... or plotutils ...
lordq
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Utility for finding absolute path of file?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:25:31 GMT
In article <Fu0d6.4237$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Brian Dellert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <94ss8j$hcu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Harlan Grove"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>In article <9ilc6.10983$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> "Brian Dellert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Is there a utility for finding the absolute path of a file? For
>>>example:
>>>
>>> abspath somefile
>>>
>>>would output
>>>
>>> /home/brian/somefile
>>>
>>>(or whatever the absolute path is)
...
>Thanks -- clever. I found a couple problems. Here's a modification I
>made to deal with a command like "abspath ./foo.txt", so it gets rid
>of the dot in the path.
...
Yeah, I was being sloppy with respect to '/./'.
>BTW -- is it necessary to "unset f" as the last line of abspath? I
>checked and, once abspath is run, the f variable doesn't seem to show
>up in my shell.
Paranoia in case it's run as '. abspath somefilename' .
>Here's the problem I haven't been able to fix. Assuming I'm in
>/home/brian, this:
>
> abspath ../../somefile
>
>produces this output:
>
> /home/../somefile
>
>Any ideas?
Yes - don't use sed. I didn't test this case. The problem is that the
first and second '/../' overlap, and sed can't back up in the replaced
string. Since I'm much more skilled in awk than perl, I'd change to
#!/bin/ksh
{
for f in "$@"
do
if test "${f#/}" = "$f"; then echo ${PWD}/$f; else echo $f; fi
done
} | awk '{ gsub(/\/\.\//, "/")
while (/\/\.\.\//) gsub(/\/[^/]+\/\.\.\//, "/")
print }'
unset f
But this could probably be done with a one-liner in perl.
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From: "Brett Sheeran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Upgrading Red Hat 6.0 (Maybe to Slackware)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:44:46 +1300
Hi. I have Redhat 6.0 installed on a 1.2GB partition. I think there is about
200-300 MB of free space. (Purchasing another hard drive is not an option
right now).
I have just been given a copy of Slackware 7.1.
The options I am considering are:
1. Try upgrading Redhat 6.0 to Slackware 7.1
2. Trying to get a later copy of Redhat
3. Doing nothing
My questions are:
Can I upgrade my current installation using the Slackware disk?
Do I have the space to upgrade to either Slackware or a later version of
Redhat?
Any advice would be gratefully received.
Regards Brett Sheeran
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From: "Lin A. Ne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Looking for Math Software
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:48:28 -0800
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Try gtkGraph. It works and it has the functionality you described.
John Gluck wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am looking for math software to help me with studying.
>
> What I would like to be able to do is enter functions and see curves
> drawn in a window.
> Ideally, the package would allow me to compare various functions by
> drawing several in the same window.
>
> The package should work in X windows or with gnome or KDE.
>
> It doesn't need to be anything spectacular and professional like Matlab.
> This is just to get a reasonable approximation and a graphical view of
> things.
>
> Please copy my e-mail as well as the group.
>
> TIA
>
> John
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From: Robert Canright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with Bash Alias
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:45:58 GMT
> You did
> alias cdl='cd;ls'
> but how does this alias process a variable as in
> cdl mydir?
> I do something like
> alias cdl='cd \*!;ls'
> but all my crib sheets are at work. Give it a try. The
> backward slash is an escape character.
Oops! Try
alias cdl='cd \!*;ls'
I remember the ! and the * backwards.
-- Robert
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:06:50 -0500
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to create a CD image
> It makes a duplicate of whatever format the CD is in.
> And no, it's impossible to make a bit-by-bit copy of a CD in any
> standard CD-ROM, but 'dd' is the closest you can hope for, I believe.
cat /dev/hdc > imagefile
may also work. You'll get overrun errors when
the CD runs out, but the imagefile should be OK.
Greg
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