Linux-Misc Digest #968, Volume #20 Thu, 8 Jul 99 18:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? ("Alan J. Flavell")
Re: Kernel question (Tabman)
ident server ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux Magazine (J P)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Philip Brown)
Re: Error: LILO doesn't support VGA mode presetting (guest)
Re: iso9660 (Villy Kruse)
Netscape Icons (Brian Rectanus)
Re: Making MPEG movies from AVI? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Q: where to get base linux source ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Can I "trick" WebPhone modem to use ADSL connection?
LOCAL: Linux User Group of Davis - July 13 - "Shell Programming II" (William
Kendrick)
Problems with ATI Mach64 on RH 6.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
New users (Ean W-S)
computer literacy (was 'Linux viruses' or something) (Stephen Thomas)
Slow response with free4all ISP from open Caldera Linux (2.2.5)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Recommended First Linux Books- online and off ("Graeme Fenwick")
Re: Recommended First Linux Books- online and off ("Graeme Fenwick")
Re: Recommended First Linux Books- online and off ("Graeme Fenwick")
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From: "Alan J. Flavell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:29:15 +0200
On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, John Imrie wrote:
> Dyslexia rules KO!
You misspelled "dylsexia lures".
HTH
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tabman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Kernel question
Date: 8 Jul 1999 20:00:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Chris.
On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:55:30 GMT, Chris Raper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>But I have another much more serious problem. I working in DOS, writting
>>to my D: drive ( /dev/hda2 ). When I rebooted into Linux, /usr/bin was
>>totally screwed up. Any ideas ?
>
>Sorry - I'm pretty new to all this and I haven't had that problem -
>yet! :-)
And I hope you never get it !
>defaults 'data'. It would suggest that something has corrupted the
>files in the /usr/bin directory by either overwriting them OR by
>corrupting the inode table so that the location of the file is being
>misrepresented to the OS. If the latter were true you would expect dud
>files all over the disk though.
I'm pretty sure it's inode corruption. It's possible that whatever
corrupted the inodes, did so starting at the beginning of the superblock.
This only happened when I started creating deleting directory trees on
my second DOS partition ( hda2 ) when I was in DOS.
I ended up reinstalling Linux ( and reformatting my root partition .)
I'm going to try to create and delete directory trees on my second DOS
partition, to try to reproduce the problem. But this time, I'm going to
compile the MSDOS and FAT support into the kernel instead of as modules.
BTW, my friend had the exact same problem with Slackware 4.0, and MSDOS and
FAT compiled as modules.
>
>I'd suggest starting a new thread with this one and see if anyone out
>there has any ideas - sounds bad enough to ring bells with someone.
I will. Thanks for the info.
>
>Good luck
Thanks. I think I'll need it. :-(
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Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: ident server
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:02:46 GMT
I have a Linux box which is the server for two windows boxes using
IP Masquarading Does any one know how I can get the Linux box to act as
a ident server for these two boxes?
Thanks in advance,
Bob
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From: J P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Magazine
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:08:09 GMT
Anybody knows if this new magazine has already fizzled out after two
issues or they are just late with the July copy?
Not even their Web site indicates any activity since last month.
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 08 Jul 1999 19:39:31 GMT
On 8 Jul 1999 16:23:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix Darren Winsper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>: On 7 Jul 1999 18:48:36 GMT, Fredrich P. Maney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[deletia]
>
>:> That has far more to do with the fact that Baseball was invented in the
>:> USA than any sort of national egotism.
>
>: You have a funny definition of invented. It looks more like a
>: derivative of rounders to me.
>
>And "rounders" would be?
you have someone swinging a bat.
You have someone throwing a ball, on the opposite team.
peson swings the bat, and hits the ball. person then has to run around
four posts in the ground. (sounds familiar?)
the BIG difference, if I remember correctly, is that the person at bat, has
to run around ALL FOUR AT ONCE, to score a point.
rounders is thus playable in a smaller field, because the posts are a little
closer together.
But the all-four rule makes it difficult in even a friendly game to score a
point. Unlike baseball, where in an average non-pro game, you have a lot more
runs.
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From: guest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Error: LILO doesn't support VGA mode presetting
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:05:42 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hold on.. before you go re-compiling your kernal....
I had this error just a few days ago. the video option is set in the
/etc/lilo.config file, and if removed the system will default into the
appropriate video mode. If yours is like mine it is set to normal which
isn't supported.
HTH
David P.
Spam block in effect remove no spam from address.
Mike wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I was just reconfiguring my lilo.conf such that I can use the
> Framebuffer device X-server. As stated in the Framebuffer-Howto, I need
> VGA=ask in my lilo.conf. LILO didn't like this. When I run it I get
> the error "VGA mode presetting is not supported by your kernel". My
> kernel is 2.2.5-ac3-mdk. I have been experimenting with all the console
> kernel options and no matter which I compile in I still get this error.
> Has anyone encountered this before and know of a solution?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: iso9660
Date: 8 Jul 1999 18:54:02 +0200
In article <7m2ftl$e8n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Everything seemed to go ok, but iso still isn't supported by the kernel
>and needs to be loaded as a module, STILL.
>
>I was wondering if I missed something or if someone could tell me why it
>didn't work. Thanx.
>
>I am running Redhat 5.2 kernerl version 2.0.36.
Probably the lilo.conf hasn't been changed to load the kernel from
/vmlinuz as that is where the make zlilo and make bzlilo puts
the kernel. So therefore you are still booting the original kernel.
Add an extra image= entry in the lilo.conf file specifying the new
kernel file, and re-run lilo.
What is the problem with using the isofs as a module anyway?
Villy
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From: Brian Rectanus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape Icons
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:59:01 -0400
All of netscape's icons show up as 1 bit black and white (toolbars,
list/tree icons, etc). No other programs seem to have this problem. I
am running NS 4.61, but it was also like this with previous versions. I
suspect this has something to do with a graphics library. Has anyone
had this problem?
I am running Debian (potato) with the most up-to-date Gnome and
enlightenment. Netscape has statically linked motif. Also, my X server
is XF86_3DLabs with vmware extentions (plain XF86_3DLabs also did this).
-Brian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Making MPEG movies from AVI?
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:57:42 GMT
In article <7m26st$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jeff Volckaert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello Everybody,
>
>I have a hauppauge tuner card in my Redhat 6.0 system that i've been using
>XawTV with to watch TV. I've been messing around with the AVI capture
>utility 'streamer' to make movies. I'd like to compress these to MPEG
>movies and downloaded 'mpeg2encode'.
>
>I have three problems... the first is I can't get sound with streamer. I
....<snip>...
>
>The third problem is I can't figure out how to convert the AVI movies to
>MPEG in mpeg2encode. It wants a parameter file. I copied one of the sample
>parameter files and they all want seperate files for each frame. Anyone
>used this program before?
>
....<snip>...
I used mpeg2encode once myself. It was a very awkward thing to
use and I didn't get sound either. However, you don't use it on AVI
files. Looking in my old notes I captured video using something called
'stream' (don't remember where I got it but probably can be located at
http://roadrunner.swansea.uk.linux.org/v4l.shtml). Now this stream
utility captured individual frames and wrote them as files, it's VERY
disk intensive. From what I've heard, the way to go really is to use
compression a la mpeg, and it almost demands a special hardware card
to do it in real time and there's not much, if any support for the more
advanced compression utilities in Linux right now. However, I captured
to a small window about 20 seconds of video, created an mp3 video from
it, and my brother was able to view it on his Windows95 (or 98 I don't
know which) system. (My brother hasn't seen the light yet, but I'm
working on him.) Like I said, I didn't get sound, and basically abandoned
the whole business for the time being.
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Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:38:26 -0700
On 8 Jul 1999 15:34:35 GMT, I R A Aggie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 7 Jul 1999 17:43:17 -0700, Jason O'Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in
><7m0s75$afe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[about the US Civil War being the most costly US war in terms of life]
>
>+ James - that fact is not really relevent.
>
>Well, when someone is making the claim that the US lost more combat troops
>than all of England's population, it is rather relevent...
No it isn't. It still doesn't address the actual issue:
England's population and American losses in WWII.
>
>+ WWII was still costly to the US
>+ in terms of lives lost, though it pales in comparison to the price paid by
>+ the Soviets and Chinese (approx 30million each).
>
>I'm gonna call you on this. Where did you get these figures from? I am
>unaware of them. Typical figures for *all* of WWII comes to ~25 million
>deaths, including the 6 million Jews and other "undesirables".
Every 4th person in Belarus was killed. Does 'lebensraum' ring
any bells? The Germans were actively persuing it. If anyone has
any motivation to grouse about being left out to dry it's the
Russians, NOT the French or English.
>
>But as Stalin stated so eloquently, the death of a single person is a
>tragedy, the death of a million is but a statistic.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Q: where to get base linux source
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:16:26 GMT
This is going to be an really oddball question, but I want to know where
a good place to find a "base" linux source code. What I would like to do
is get my group together and come up with, what I would like to call, a
"mini" distribution.
When I say base, I mean the basic Linux filesystem requirements, Kernel
(I know where to get that), /sbin, /bin, /lib, /usr, /etc, etc. (Not
asking *too* much huh ;-) ).
I realize that this is vague, and I really know that a Linux
installation contains many packages that are used for different things
and one would need to know what one is going to do, but just a minimum
filesystem for now. No Xwindows for example.
Would, because of GPL/Copyleft, I be able use the source code from an
existing distribution (most of the bugs worked out) such as the RedHat I
have? Or would I be restricted to source NOT the distributor's code?
As my understanding goes, I should be able to modify code under the GPL
and distribute it, as long I it remains GPL and freely acquirable
source. correct?
----OR----
If I can't use an existing distributors code, for whatever
copyright/legal reasons, is there a source for the unaltered, probably
gnu source code (ex. findutils)?
This is just an idea and I'm not set on it. I realize that building a
distribution is enormous, but our group is pretty together and you never
know.
email replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (as well as reply-post). Thanks!
-Wes Yates
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Subject: Can I "trick" WebPhone modem to use ADSL connection?
Date: 8 Jul 1999 20:30:54 GMT
I'm a hardware newbie, so I'm not sure this is possible, but:
I have a Cidco "WebPhone" that I'd like to trick into using its internal
modem to connect thu my Linux box via an existing ADSL connection. That
is, instead of having the WebPhone dial out using the phone line, I'd like
to trick it to connect directly (to save the dial-up/connect time delay and
avoid tying up my single POTS line). I assume the solution will involve
linking the WebPhone modem to a modem in the linux box (via phone line,
possibly thru some kind of electronics to fake the dial tone/DTMF stuff).
Any chance in heck that this will work? Anybody hacked something together
in a lab somewhere that will allow this?
-Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Kendrick)
Subject: LOCAL: Linux User Group of Davis - July 13 - "Shell Programming II"
Date: 8 Jul 1999 21:00:39 GMT
WHAT:
=====
LUGOD: The Linux User Group of Davis
WHEN:
=====
Tuesday, July 13th, 1999
6:30pm - 9:00pm
WHERE:
======
Location
--------
LampPost Pizza ("West Lake" shopping center, in West Davis)
1260 Lake Blvd # 113
Davis, CA 95616
1-530-758-1111
Directions
----------
* From downtown Davis, take Covell or Russell west (going past hwy 113).
* From hwy 113 headed north, exit at Covell or Russell and turn left.
* From hwy 113 headed south, exit at Covell or Russell and turn right.
* From Russell, turn right onto Lake. West Lake will be on your right.
* From Covell, turn left onto Lake. West Lake will be on your left.
* LampPost is on the right side of the large Ray's store.
WHY:
----
Topics will include:
--------------------
* Introduction to new members
* News, announcements and open forum
* Committess:
Social Tax Exempt Group Status
LUGOD Logo
Ambassador to other LUGs
Financial Report
* Future speakers at LUGOD
Seminar:
--------
Basics of Shell Programming, Part II
------------------------------------
This seminar is part two of our first attempt to help new Linux users.
Note: If you have one, please bring a laptop.
WHO:
----
LUGOD is open to all members of the public.
HOW:
----
For more information about LUGOD, please visit our website:
http://www.lugod.org/
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sys (Vice Chairperson) Bill Kendrick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,redhat.x.general
Subject: Problems with ATI Mach64 on RH 6.0
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:01:54 +0100
Okay...
I've been using SuSE for a while now, & X works just fine, both with the
supplied 2.0.36 & my home-brewed 2.2.1.
However, when I recently tried Redhat, I found that although X seems to
work OK when Xconfigurator runs at the end of the install process, once it
reboots to the stock kernel (2.2.9), X has these wierd blurred sections in
regular vertical stripes, which I haven't been able to get rid of. Yet.
Does anybody know what this could be? A conflict with a running service,
like gpm? Something to do with SVGAText mode?
FWIW I don't run SVGAText under SuSE, & even when I had the the 2.2.1 kernel
under SuSE, I never did have the little penguin bootup logo.
Oh yeah...
Hardware: ATI Rage Pro II+
2MB Video Ram
Gateway own-brand monitor (EV500) HSync: 30-69 Khz
VSync: 50-110 Khz
Microsoft Intellimouse PS/2
Pentium 200 MMX
32MB Ram
Usual setup: 1204 x 768 @ 16bit colour
TIA...
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From: Ean W-S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: New users
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:49:37 -0400
I want to add users using a script giving them a default password is
this possible with RedHat 6.0
Cheers
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From: Stephen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: computer literacy (was 'Linux viruses' or something)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:02:00 -0400
> And because of M$oft's 'easy
> point-and-click' GUI, most of the people using these systems tend to
> NOT be computer literate and in fact M$oft's 'easy point-and-click' GUI
> discourages true computer literacy, which just makes things even
> easier for the crackers to spread these worms.
I am not 'auto literate' but I use my car effectively and safely every day. Why
does anyone have to be 'computer literate' to effectively and safely use a
computer? Why can't it be so intuitive that a user just sits down and everything
functions obviously? It's just a tool like a phone or a microwave. Don't get me
wrong, I think the MS approach in general sucks, but your computer literacy
argument is not one well taken.
Stephen Thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Slow response with free4all ISP from open Caldera Linux (2.2.5)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:22:55 GMT
Heres a good-un!
I joined the WWW on the 20th of June, having just installed Caldera Open
Linux (kernel 2.2.5).
I decided to go with www.free4all.co.uk because they support Linux and
also my other computer system, the Amiga. They had a good press, and the
web space they provide allows Perl scripts. Ideal (I was not looking
forward to having to go back to using plain HTML, so the free4all setup
looked like my perfect provider)
To date I have had no problems getting at the WWW using Windows 95 (what
I am using now, its the only thing that is working at the moment).
Unfortunately, my Linux accessing has been an unmitigated disaster.
On the 25th June I requested some web space from free4all while logged
in as a non-priv Linux user on my PC. 2 days later that account was no
longer able to get a reasonable response from free4all. 'root' worked Ok
though.
Last Monday, I put in another request for web space and the following
day 'root' started getting the same response (or lack) from free4all.
Windows has been OK thoughout.
Just to make sure that it wasn't some wierd Netscape killing cookie that
requesting web space sets up, I created an new account on my PC, but
even without requesting web space, it has the same symptoms.
Talking of which, here they are :-
Windows 95, start ppp, connect OK, username & password OK, free4all home
page apears within seconds. no problems here.
Linux (any user), start ppp, connect OK, username & password OK,
free4all home page might have appeared after 20 minutes but I'd rather
use Windows than put up with that sort of bored rate performance.
As for other things I have done to determine what is wrong.
I have telnetted to a friends machine via the telephone line. The
friends machine recognised who I was and the correct items were recorded
in his log files. Therefore my serial link and hardware must be OK, as
must ppp and the guts of Linux that drive /dev/ttyS1.
I have managed to ping www.free4all.co.uk, www.bbc.co.uk and any other
site you care tom mention while ppp is running. No problems there, name
resolving works OK.
I can 'telnet <any site> 80' and contact is made. A '/get' will
eventually cause the HTML homepage of the site to appear on my console.
Normally i give up waiting though.
My connection is direct to the internet, not via a proxy, that test was
to check if I was having proxy problems and had somehow gotten mixed up
with a proxy system.
There are no unusual error messages in my logfiles (at least the ones
that kppp help documents mention). All systems go as far as they are
concerned.
So, as far as I can tell the name resolver is working, so is the modem,
the serial port and Netscape (and Lynx, just incase its a browser bug)
and I can send data to free4all and anywhere else with impunity.
Monitoring the line indicates that no data is comming back from my ISP,
or at least it is at about 1 tiny blip of data every 10 seconds (which
I thought was just some sort of pinging to make sure the line doesn't
go down during quiet periods).
I have not mucked about with my PC Linux settings, so unless Linux does
some nasty internal reprogrammming of its settings without user
prompting, then as far as I am concerned my PC is the same as it was
when WWW access used to work from linux.
I have mailed a similar message to free4all and await their response,
but I thought I'd field it here incase I get not joy from them, and get
a 'nothing wrong at our end guv, must be your linux distribution'
response.
Should this problem fail to resolve, are there any free ISP's that are
known to be Caldera linux friendly, or a 2.2.? distribution that is as
user friendly as Calderas but actually works should Calderas
distribution be at fault.
Anyone got any suggestions.
Martin
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From: "Graeme Fenwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Recommended First Linux Books- online and off
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:13:42 GMT
Richard L. Gabriel <**gabriel**@twave.net> wrote in message
news:zFJf3.3276$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: "Graeme Fenwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Hi all...
: >Simple question (though I doubt the answer will be):- Which is the best
: >Linux book for a (near) beginner?
: After checking the various book reviews (Amazon.com etc) I concluded
: that "Running Linux" by Matt Welsh was my best choice, dispite its
: age.
It sounds like the sort of book they ought to make minor revisions on every
year. If it's as good as most people say, then it'd be a shame to let it
obselesce(?!) itself into uselessness.
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From: "Graeme Fenwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Recommended First Linux Books- online and off
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:13:43 GMT
Ryan T. Rhea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: Graeme Fenwick wrote:
:
: > Hi all...
: > Simple question (though I doubt the answer will be):- Which is the best
: > Linux book for a (near) beginner?
: I have bought 4 or 5 books, and have a cd-rom with 4 more. Out of all
those, I
: have two I can recommend.
:
: The first and most highly recommended one is 'The Complete Idiot's Guide
to
: Linux' by Manuel Alberto Ricart (published by Que). I know the title is
: patronizing, but it is also misleading. It is very useful in covering a
wide
: range of topics that are need for a good grasp of linux, including
backups,
: admin, and recompiling kernels. It comes with Caldera and StarOffice on
CD.
:
: The second is much larger and more comprehensive, but it almost includes
too
: many technical details, and as It is written by many authors it lacks a
smooth
: continuity. It is Red Hat Linux Unleashed, published by SAMS. It comes
with
: Red Hat 5.2
:
: I really do recommend the first title, despite its unfortunate title.
The upside at any rate is that it'll be widely available in the shops, with
any luck. What I really wouldn't want would be a "we'll assume you're using
Red Hat, it comes with this nice config tool, no need for all that nasty
shell stuff...." etc. book that *teaches* nothing. But like I say, I'll
probably be able to check it out- thanks.
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From: "Graeme Fenwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Recommended First Linux Books- online and off
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:13:41 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: "Graeme Fenwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:
:
: > I recently installed Linux (Red Hat 5.2) on my PC,
:
: I suggest the RedHat User's Guide then...its on ftp.redhat.com I think.
I'll see if that's on the CD as well- thanks.
: >
: > Online (free) documentation was quite a common suggestion. Much as I
: > find this sort of stuff very useful (cheaper, and usually more
up-to-date),
: > I still prefer the dead tree variety for day-to-day learning and
reference-
: > *if* they justify the cost, that is..
:
: PS versions are available of all online Linux books...get a printer, they
: pay for themselves.
*All* of them, the majority of them (in some form), or equivalent versions
to what is commercially available?
I've got a printer, and use it for rough printouts of docs where essential.
Mostly they are too long, detailed, and specialised to justify printing out
(those stupid little ink carts *cost*!- guess I should get a new refill
kit)- better to take notes of what I need in those cases.
Obviously, if the material is more general, and useful day in, day out, then
a hard copy is good. The question is, once I've printed it out, would the
price difference justify a nicely bound, and formatted book (instead of a
pile of sheets in a folder)? Probably yes, but it depends on the relative
costs/quality.
:
: > Something else that got said more than once was that there are very
few
: > good Linux books out there, (and some of those that are available are
very
: > similar to online books/docs anway). If this is so, would it be better
to go
: > for a (general) Unix book, using the online docs and HOWTOs for
: > Linux-specific stuff?
:
: I have never seen a Linux book which even told me as much as what is
available
: online. They generally ARE both patronizing and simplistic....also
expensive.
I don't doubt that the documentation available online is more detailed. I
wouldn't even consider trying to get most of it in book form. What I was
*really* after was the invaluable, newbie, `core' stuff in a nice convenient
package. :-)
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