Linux-Misc Digest #26, Volume #21                Tue, 13 Jul 99 17:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Anyone Have a Password for VMWARE for Linux????    Thanks (Matthew Bafford)
  Re: computer literacy (was 'Linux viruses' or something) (vybp eeru)
  RH 6.0 Prob w/ USR Video Modem ("Elliott & Britt Engineering, PA")
  Re: Can you hurt Linux as a user? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Tweaking Linux / Becoming 'guru' (Johannes Nix)
  Re: Linux and automount ("Todd A. Wood")
  Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (Nhi Vanye)
  Using vmware (Morris)
  Re: Cannot load bzImage kernel ("Ricky J. Sethi")
  Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Glenn Davies)
  Re: Problem with dip dial-up (Monte Phillips)
  Re: My Linux box was hacked! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  VERY SEXY STUFF 58973 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Linux and Memory ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Can I let other users use the mount command? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: computer literacy (was 'Linux viruses' or something) (William Wueppelmann)
  Re: embedded linux in a specific application... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Dual boot Win9x and Solaris using LILO ("Administrator")
  Re: Red Hat 6.0 & LaTeX (Gergo Barany)

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From: *@dragons.duesouth.net (Matthew Bafford)
Subject: Re: Anyone Have a Password for VMWARE for Linux????    Thanks
Reply-To: *@dragons.duesouth.net
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:08:41 GMT

On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:07:20 GMT, locrates) cut a telephone line, and
tapped the following to comp.os.linux.misc using only his tongue: 
: I am looking for a password for VMWare for Linux.  Could anyone help
: me with this???

The last time I checked, you could purchase the license from VMWare's
website. [0]

:                   TIN   

STRAW

: Locrates

--Matthew
-- 
[0] http://www.vmware.com (Duh)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (vybp eeru)
Subject: Re: computer literacy (was 'Linux viruses' or something)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:53:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

*/_That night, Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:02:00 -0400, the sky darkened, the
lightning flashed, the thunder roared, and the voice of Stephen Thomas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> echod in our minds:

�> And because of M$oft's 'easy
�> point-and-click' GUI, most of the people using these systems tend to
�> NOT be computer literate and in fact M$oft's 'easy point-and-click' GUI
�> discourages true computer literacy, which just makes things even
�> easier for the crackers to spread these worms.
�
�I am not 'auto literate' but I use my car effectively and safely every day.  Why
�does anyone have to be 'computer literate' to effectively and safely use a
�computer?  Why can't it be so intuitive that a user just sits down and everything
�functions obviously?  It's just a tool like a phone or a microwave.  Don't get me
�wrong, I think the MS approach in general sucks, but your computer literacy
�argument is not one well taken.

I think another way of saying what you're trying to say is:
A microwave can have two interface, one is easy intuitive one. the
microsoft way. ( you do not have to be microwave literate to use it)

Another one would be a microwave where you'll have to figure out how much
electrivity to use, how to adjust the fan inside, how to deflect the
microwave, how to close the door, and how to.... the linux way. ( you have
to be microwave literate to use it)

To be honest, I would love the have both, but if I would have to choose
one, I think most people would choose the easy and intuitive way that is
found on *every* microwave today. (with an emphisis)

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From: "Elliott & Britt Engineering, PA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH 6.0 Prob w/ USR Video Modem
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:24:09 -0500

I have set up this modem with isapnp and setserial but I get the message
"modem not responding" when I use Kppp to querey it.  I have it set up
on ttyS2, irq 5 port 0x0110.  These are settings I got from windows, so
i guess they are correct.  Can anyone please offer me some suggestions
on where to go from here?  Is this modem even supported??


Thanks,
David


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can you hurt Linux as a user?
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:22:49 GMT

Most of the time this could be repaired if you can get to the console
and run fsck.  I fried my filesystem the other day to the point where I
could not get to a console, but was able to fix it using the following
procedure:
   install linux to a free partition
   run fsck
   point back to old root partition in LILO

I went ahead and did a upgrade to a newer version of Linux just to make
sure none of the system files were corrupt.  All data and most settings
were kept.  I'm pretty sure that I did not have to do the last part
though.

Eric
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  "Noah Roberts (jik-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew Arbon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > If you are logged on as a normal user, and provided you haven't
altered
> > any of the standard options; is it possible to damage the system
> > deliberately/accidentally?
>
> Shutting the system off while it boots did a nice job on me.  My mom
> was going to use the computer and didn't tell me...it "Just started
> spitting a bunch of characters" so she shut it off :P  Totally melted
> the filesystem.
>


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From: Johannes Nix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Tweaking Linux / Becoming 'guru'
Date: 13 Jul 1999 20:33:52 +0200

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Monte Phillips) writes:

> 
> Chris Harshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Can anyone recommend good reading (O'Reilly titles,
> >URLs, whatnot) with respect to tweaking Linux for
...
> >For example, say you were on the team responsible for
> >tweaking a Linux box to go head-to-head against
> >an NT server for a rematch of the Mindcraft benchmarks.
> >Where might you turn for tips/tricks/advice?
> 


with respect to this there exist an interesting german article in the
  "ct" magazine (Heise Verlag):

  J�rgen Schmidt: (ju)
  Gemischtes Doppel
  Linux und NT als Web-Server im Test
  Report, Linux und NT als Web-Server, Apache, IIS, SMP, CGI
  (c't 13/1999, Seite 186)

This article adresses issues like SMP performance, etc, and explains
why Linux might turn out comparatively weak in the mindcraft-specific
setup. I think it would be worth the traduction!

Johannes Nix

==================================================
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.uni-oldenburg.de/~jnix

Arbeitsgruppe Medizinische Physik
Universit�t Oldenburg
==================================================

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From: "Todd A. Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and automount
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:35:53 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ean W-S wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there an automounter system for linux?
> 
> Is there one in the pipeline?
> 
> Why is there no automounter?
> 
> Ean
There is one... and it works:

$ rpm -qi autofs
Name        : autofs                      Distribution: Manhattan 
Version     : 3.1.1                             Vendor: Red Hat Software
Release     : 4                             Build Date: Thu May  7
20:21:22 1998
Install date: Thu Jan  7 23:15:36 1999      Build Host: porky.redhat.com
Group       : Networking/Daemons            Source RPM:
autofs-3.1.1-4.src.rpm
Size        : 103056                           License: GPL
Packager    : Red Hat Software <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Summary     : autofs daemon
Description :
autofs is a daemon which automatically mounts filesystems when you use
them, and unmounts them later when you are not using them.  This can
include network filesystems, CD-ROMs, floppies, and so forth.


Example

#/etc/auto.master
/auto   /etc/auto.local

#/etc/auto.local
cdrom           -fstype=iso9660,ro      :/dev/cdrom
floppy          -fstype=msdos           :/dev/fd0


The "cd /auto/cdrom" or "cd /auto/floppy" and they are mounted...

There are of course various setting which allow for nfs and other mount
methods...

Enjoy.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nhi Vanye)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: 13 Jul 1999 17:43:37 GMT

$ from [EMAIL PROTECTED] -#17431 | sed "1,$s/^/> /"
>
>
>Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> And yes, SGIs kick ass. Seeing as my Indy with a 17 inch monitor cost less
>> then half what an iMac costs I am very happy with it.
>
>Where the hell did you get an Indy for $1,000?

check out comp.sys.sgi.marketplace you'll see them quite often.

Also check out http://www.futuretech.vuurwerk.nl/sgi.html for buying advice...

>
>- Bill Woody
>  The PandaWave

richard.
-- 
Richard M. Offer        Widget FAQ --> http://reality.sgi.com/widgetFAQ
MTS-Core Design (Motif)
___________________________________________http://reality.sgi.com/offer


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From: Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Using vmware
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:41:38 GMT

Does anyone how can i use the vmware, but with a partition who already
has an installation of winNt WS, i use linux redhat 6.0, and when i run
vmware, always try to install a new SO guest, can I use an already SO
guest???

or this is imposible...

thanks a lot...


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From: "Ricky J. Sethi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Cannot load bzImage kernel
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:30:45 -0700

I had the same problem... make the kernel with bzImage, copy it over, and
then when you reboot, it just sorta hangs at loading the kernel and reboots
itself after a quick second, right?  The solution I found was to just run
/sbin/lilo again (after making sure that you named it correctly in /boot and
/etc/lilo.conf, of course).  Give it a try...

Good luck,


Rick.

Bruno Barberi Gnecco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I always compiled kernels with make zImage, but the last one was too
> big to fit. so, I compile it with make bzImage, and when I tried to boot,
the
> computer reboots. Searching the net didn't help; Kernel HOWTO said that
"you
> may have to install a newer version of LILO", or something like this. I'm
> using LILO version 20. How can I boot bziped kernels?
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> --
> Did you *REALLY* check that interface between the chair and the keyboard?
> Bruno Barberi Gnecco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ #1383173 [Running Linux]
> Electric Engineering at Polytechnic School, USP
> http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/1980/ :: Unlimited Simulator Homepage




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Glenn Davies)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:22:09 GMT

On 13 Jul 1999 14:13:54 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul D. Smith)
wrote:

>I found it on the 'net; it was 74%.  I gave "canada wwii" to Google and
>found a lot of intersting info; maybe it was somewhere in
>http://admdis01nt.ndhq.dnd.ca/menu/legacy/wwii_e.htm ?
>
>Sorry, I should have made a note about it.

No need to appologize. The DND site isn't going to say that we joined
an unpopular war. I've read extensively about Canada's political
history during and including the period between both wars and the 3 to
1 figure just isn't supportable outside of Quebec. Anyway this is way
off topic for these newsgroups.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Monte Phillips)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problem with dip dial-up
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:14:19 GMT

Depending upon your modem..... some have initialization string
commands that allow you to not wait for a dial tone before dialing.
If you have one there's your answer just add that switch to the init
string.
g'luk
Ben Goh Chong Kuan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello, I am using dip to setup my dial-up networking to establish ppp
>connection with the ISP in Redhat Linux 6.0, the modem is able to
>intialize the call but it does nothing after that, i.e. dial tone with
>the corresponding number and nothing happens after that. The modem in
>the remote end of the computer does not seem to respond.
>Owing to the answering machine that I subscribe to the telecom company,
>I usually disable the detection of the dial tone in the Win 95 modem
>configuration because my telephone does not give solid dial tone with
>the telecom answering machine installed.
>Does anybody know exactly what number I should have dialed to bypass the
>dial tone detection machanism in Linux?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.security.unix,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: My Linux box was hacked!
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:11:33 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I doubt it was much of a hack if you saw him trying to 'format' the
drive.  More likely, you've been using telnet or ftp to connect to the
machine and he sniffed your password.  If your campus is anything like 
ours, every public windows machine is running a packet sniffer...
-ckm

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.lynx
Subject: VERY SEXY STUFF 58973
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, 13 Jul 1999 12:01:42 -0600

ADULTS!

 Click the link below:

http://207.240.225.250

* 18+ Only  Please!









.


.WvIv0&E)P

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and Memory
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:55:50 GMT

The thing I'm noticeing is that some swap space is being used.

Ex:
             total       used       free     shared    buffers
cached
Mem:        193068     190108       2960      23824      16072
154744
-/+ buffers/cache:      19292     173776
Swap:       192704       3124     189580

Even though 150MB ram is being cached, is there a reason for linux to
need to use Swap space?

Eric

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm running rh 6.0 on a P150 with 93 mb of ram. My system monitor is
> > telling me  that 90% of my memory is being used.
> > I install "everything" during install, and there are quite a few
daemons
> > running, so I suspect this is the problem.
>
> 1) In redhat 6, you can turn these extra daemons off by running
"setup"
> 2) I'm bored, so I'm going to go in to an overly-long explaination
> 90% of memory isn't really being used (especially on a 93 mb system).
> AFAIK, Linux's basic memory mangement strategy is:
>
> Put user programs in to RAM, but leave some RAM free so it doesn't
have to
> do alot of swapping immediatly to meet future memory requirements
(like
> starting another app). All left over RAM goes towards disk buffers
(data
> that hasn't been written to the disk yet, because the system is
waiting for
> an idle time to do it) , and the disk cache (which stores frequently
access
> parts of ones hard disk in RAM, for faster access). If Linux runs out
of
> memory, it will shrink the cache and buffers, and as a last resort
swap out
> part of programs that havn't been used in a while. A part of Linux (a
> kernel thread, to be exact) named kwapd will swap these parts back in
if
> more free RAM becomes availible when the system is idle.
>
> (The threshold at which Linux starts swapping out because of memory
> contraints, and the threshold at which it swaps back in pages because
of an
> abundance of free memory are automatically tuned by Linux based on the
> amount of RAM you have, or can be manually tuned using /proc)
>
> So, your system will usually report 80% memory usage or more, because
Linux
> is trying to take advantage of the RAM as much as possible by doing
things
> like caching parts of the hard drive. The left over  <20% is so Linux
> doesn't have to swap out parts of memory immediatly if your system
needs to
> use more RAM.
>
> On my 64mb RedHat 6.0 box (running GNOME, CD Player, Communicator, and
> GnomeICU ) , the command "free" returns this:
>                                             total       used
free
> shared    buffers     cached
> Mem:                                63240      61700       1540
> 11264    4193164      13096
> -/+ buffers/cache:             49744      13496
> Swap:                                80636          0      80636
>
> The top row broken down means:
>
> -I have 63240 KB of memory left for user programs (daemons, X,
netscape,
> xmms, etc...), the cache and buffers
>
> -I've used 61700 KB of this memory on programs, buffers, and the
cache, and
> I have 1540 bytes free
>
> -11264 KB of this memory is shared memory (this can be ignored, its
> irrelevant to the topic)
>
> -4193164 is a bogus number, because I'm running a 2.3 version of the
Linux
> kernel, which has a recently reworked filesystem code. This will
hopefully
> fixed in later release, or maybe its free's fault.
>
> -13096 KB of memory is used for the disk cache
>
> The second row is what your really interested in:
> Minus the space used by the buffers and cache, I've used 49774 KB of
RAM,
> and 13496 KB are free
>
> The bottom says I have 80 megs of swap space, of which none is used.
>
> Your syste monitor is probably reporting the memory used by all you
apps
> and daemons, plus the buffers and cache. This should be ignored
because the
> system will shrink the bufers and cache if needed.
>
> I hope this clears things up.
>
> Regards,
>     Bodnar42
>
>


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can I let other users use the mount command?
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:34:35 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  "R.K.Aa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I am running RedHat 6.0 and I am attempting to allow a user
other
> > than root to mount the cdrom.  I tried giving this user his/her own
set
> > of the mount and umount commands by copying them into the user's bin
> > directory, modifying that users PATH appropriately, and then setting
the
> > +s bit on the mount and umount to allow them to execute the command
as a
> > superuser.  This actually lets the user execute the command, but
gave a
> > strange message saying the kernel was not compiled to allow me to
mount
> > iso9660 file systems, which I know is NOT the case since as root I
mount
> > and umount cd's all the time. Making use of the utility sudo is not
a
> > viable option since it forces the user to enter a password after a
> > period of time has gone by between uses of the sudo command (its
> > timestamp expires).  Does anyone know how I can allow a specific
user
> > other than root to execute the mount or umount commands without
limits?
>
> I only modified the cd-rom disk via linuxconf, but here's what it
placed
> in /etc/fstab
>
> /dev/hdd        /mnt/cdrom      iso9660
> user,noexec,nodev,suid,ro,noauto 0 0
>
> ALL users can here mount/unmount and read  but not execute programs
> direct from
> the CD (and of course can't write to it)
>
> However, if you want only ONE of many regular users to have access
> -  i'm clueless. Guess you could make some cdrom group, give it mount
> priviledges and assign the user to that group but i find it painful to
> think
> beyond that ;)
>
> K
>
Thanks for the information, K.
How would I go about giving a group mount priviledges?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: computer literacy (was 'Linux viruses' or something)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:26:00 GMT

In our last episode (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:15:41 GMT),
the artist formerly known as Robert McConnell said:
>On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:40:11 GMT, "Binesh Bannerjee"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>The real comparison here would be as _us_ being the mechanics
>>and the users being the drivers. But, you say the drivers don't
>>need to know that much, but computer users should be the equivalent
>>of mechanics. You're using different standards for cars and computers.
>
>As a system designer and programmer, I am not only a mechanic, but
>also a tool and die maker. My knowledge of computers goes far beyond
>what 99% of users will ever need. However, 80% of those users will
>never even need to know how to install an application or printer
>driver because their IT department or hardware store will do it all
>for them. Just like 80% of auto users will never take wrench in hand
>to change their oil. If these users are happy being data entry clerks,
>then so be it. If they want to expand their horizons, they need to dig
>in and learn more.

The problem is that they're not being told that -- they're being told that
it's easy to do everything, just follow the wizard.  They don't know that I
can't read the Word97 attachment they sent me, or that if they sent their
message in plain text, it would be 1/10th the size.  They don't know that
the cool Web page they created with FrontPage or Words word->HTML converter
doesn't have a single line of W3C standards-compliant HTML.  They don't
even think that someone might be looking at their nice Web page using a
different resolution display, let alone using lynx! (What?  There are only
two Web browsers, right?)  And since computer-illiterate users[1] are
driving the marketplace (since not only are there more of them, but they
pay more for software and support), encouraging them to be this way not
only creates immediate problems for those of us who have to deal with them,
it also pushes things in a direction that will increasingly force the rest
of us to use computers in usophisticated, unproductive ways.  (There's only
so much I can do with cygwin, and I suspect that some people are required
to use only their company's official applications and aren't allowed to
install other software.)  How many people here have to use Windows at work,
even though you know you could accomplish more in less time, giving your
employer much better value for money, if you were allowed to run *nix?  How
many of you have watched a coworker take an hour to accomplish something
that a trivial perl script or 80-character pipe could have done in 10
seconds[2][3]?

It's worse than a driver who doesn't know the difference between a
carbourator (or how to spell carbourator, in my case) and a fuel injector;
it's worse even than a driver who cannot fill the gas tank.  It's more like
a driver who is does not know whether his/her car takes gasoline or diesel,
or even that it reqires fuel at all.

>Just as a little knowledge of mechanics allows kids
>to tinker with old cars and turn them into hotrods, a little focused
>knowledge about computers can transform them from a word processing
>appliance to a very powerful set of tools.

Unfortunately, most computer users have very little knowledge.  They've
been encouraged not to ask questions about how things work, been told
everything is easy, and been taught to think of themselves as dummies when
things don't work.  It doesn't help that their computers lie to them
(Windows 95 recently alternated between telling me that I didn't have
permission to write to a:\ and that the disk was not formatted when, in
fact, the floppy drive had expired.  DOS at least gave me a more cryptic
but correct message "General error reading drive A").

I'm not getting down on computer users, but rather the industry that
encourages otherwise intelligent people to act like morons for 8 hours a
day while they sit in front of their machines.  Personally, I think the
solution is positive encouragement: telling people that, while they don't
have to become programmers, sysadmins or hardware gurus, if they took the
time to learn a little more about the machines they use every day, they'd
open up a world of possibilities for themselves.

[1] I personally make a distinction between computer-literacy and
application-literacy, just as there is a difference between being able to
drive a car and being able to maintain a car.  My experience is that most
computer users have a rudimentary to moderate level of application literacy
in that they can use Word, Excel, Netscape, etc. to do a certain range of
things, but cannot generally extend their abilities with the application.
By contrast, most computer users, in my experience, have low to almost
nonexistent levels of computer literacy.  Many don't understand the basic
distinction between operating system and application, some don't understand
the concept of files and directories, and many lack a basic understanding
of notions like file formats, programs versus data and other elementary
concepts.

[2] Plus 15 minutes to get the syntax right, but that's still a major
savings of effort, and the next time you have to do the same job, it only
takes 10 seconds.

[3] Not literally watched for the entire hour.  Figuratively, I mean.

-- 
It is pitch black.  
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: embedded linux in a specific application...
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:54:48 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  William Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
> -is Linux available for such an application,
that is, are there real Linux kernels and sources
available right now?

Yes.  There are many distros that can help you
directly and indirectly.  Take a look at Linux
Weekly News (www.lwn.net) in the distribution
section.  There are several micro (single
2-4MB floppy) distros that can get you started.
Most of these are made for the Intel processor
family, but one should get you started.

> -are there development tools available?

Yes... in a sense.  I do not know of a
set of commercial tools, but there are plenty of
HOWTOs for creating a bootable floppy which can
then be converted into a bootable ROM.

> -are there companies that might be able to aid
us in development of kernel specific and/or
application code?

Yes. RedHat/Caldera/SuSE offer contract agreements
for assisting professional development.  There are
several programmers that would love to help out.


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From: "Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Dual boot Win9x and Solaris using LILO
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:49:50 -0700

Thank you in advance.

I have a primary master with one partition and windows installed.  I also
have a secondary master with one fdisk partition and Solaris x86 installed.
I'd like to use LILO to load each OS at boot, rather than booting Solaris
from floppy.  I found an excellent FAQ at http://www.sun.pmbc.com/faq/8.html
but I think the author assumes that Linux is also installed.  I do not have
Linux installed at this time.

I have created the lilo.conf/lilo.message already.  I have created a
boot.img and a rescue.img and copied the lilo executable and config files to
another floppy.  When I boot the rescue disk and run lilo from the other
floppy, I get a "segmentation fault".  I'm wondering if maybe some libraries
are necessary as well.  The Redhat help docs on the distribution indicate
that the rescue image is for a situation like my own, so I am wondering why
they opted to omit lilo from the tools on the rescue disk??

Any suggestions?

-Eddie Anzalone, [EMAIL PROTECTED]







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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Crossposted-To: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Red Hat 6.0 & LaTeX
Date: 13 Jul 1999 20:23:05 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
>>>Bearing in mind libc5 wasn't even on the (single, not set of) CD, that
>>>meant that EVERY non-SuSE executable on my system broke :-(
>>
>>That had to happen sooner or later. A short, painful transition period
>>is a lot better than a long, painful one.
>>
>You mean it's fine for them to break my programs? Including ones for
>which I don't have the source, and *C*A*N*T* rebuild? I don't think so.

Everyone knew libc5 and glibc are not compatible, and it's not realistic
to assume you would have used both of them forever. Your binaries would
have broken sooner or later; now they broke, you replaced them,
everything's great. It cost some money, but everytime you get software
it costs you.

Gergo

-- 
"Given the choice between accomplishing something and just lying
around, I'd rather lie around.  No contest."
                -- Eric Clapton

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