Linux-Misc Digest #107, Volume #21 Wed, 21 Jul 99 09:13:20 EDT
Contents:
Re: Switch from Windows to Linux? (Nick Ruisi)
Re: Screen fonts? (Gergo Barany)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Chris Lee)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Holger Kruse)
netscape (Holczhammer Mark)
Output EPS with StarOffice? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Screen fonts? ("R.K.Aa")
Networking Problem ("Andrew Scutt")
Re: LINUX: Can't get ASUS P2B-DS to Recognize RAID for Redhat 6.0 install (Marc
SCHAEFER)
Re: state of SGML-tools wrt HOWTOs ? (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
problem with making boot/root disk (sunchange lee)
neighbour table overflow??? ("neil murray")
Re: LINUX: Can't get ASUS P2B-DS to Recognize RAID for Redhat 6.0 (Mattias
Bergvall)
Re: Screen fonts? (Steffan O'Sullivan)
Re: Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap (Jay Maynard)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Jay Maynard)
Re: kernel compile anamolies (Paul Wilkins)
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From: Nick Ruisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 05:06:50 -0400
I installed a linux partiton on my system. I keep windows as a backup, should
something happen to my linux system, so I can get on the internet and download
fixes.
Jean Morissette wrote:
> Hello Brad
> Brad Grimes wrote:
> > If so, I'm writing a magazine article about operating systems and I'd like
> > to hear from you. Drop me a line at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Wellll, Brad, you could write in your article that some users ADD
> LINUX to
> their collection of OS'es ! 8-)
>
> I did not dare to do a full/all-dressed LINUX setup. I use LOADLIN.EXE,
> from the
> LINUX.BAT batch file, and my last setup/success was to "organize" a swap
> file
> in a DOS partition, my K: drive. [ LINUX is all in J: and Win98 is in I:
> ]
> What I did to Win98, is that I succeded to BOOT in DOS 7.10, WITHOUT
> starting Win98 !! [If I type EXIT nothing happens; so I REALY am in DOS
> 7.10]
> And I can start and/or exit from W98 just like I do with Win 3.10 !!
> To exit W98, a shortcut is needed...I the desktop basic window...
>
> My main OS, is DESQview, but my new browsing and E-mailing OS is now
> LINUX and
> it's Netscape ! Not the Win$loz's, anymore !
> And my ftp browser, or rather D/Loader is the DOS NETTAMER.EXE. Mutch
> better
> baud rates with DESQview and NETTAMER !! I can do other things, while
> D/Loading !
>
> Soooo, I did not realy switch. Only trying it, and becoming more and
> more LINUX
> user... A few minutes ago I discovered the xspread thing !! [ Like Lotus
> 123 ]
> I am still "exploring" a lot the subDIRectories, to see what is
> there...
>
> One setup I have yet to do/try is a SHELL or DOS emulation. For now, I
> am often
> in "pure" 6.22 DOS... I guess I will have to keep it, even if used
> "from"
> LINUX...
>
> I can afford all those OS, with a 8,400 megs Hard drive, now !! 8-)
> My next try ??? OS/2 Warp !! in my L: drive !!
>
> --
> Pret pour l'an 2000 "informatique ??? 2000 moins 5 mois = ???
> ...vous voyez ce message grace au Netscape de LINUX !!! ALLL RRRIGHT !!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Subject: Re: Screen fonts?
Date: 21 Jul 1999 09:51:40 GMT
In article <te0l3.4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steffan O'Sullivan wrote:
>Newbie here - this must be a frequently asked question, but I can't
>find anything on it.
>
>Screen fonts in linux staroffice are terrible. Is there a way to
>improve them?
There's an XFree86 Font Deuglification HOWTO somewhere, I think the
maintainer was working on adding a section about StarOffice.
Gergo
--
The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and
robbers there will be.
-- Lao Tsu
GU d- s:+ a--- C++>$ UL+++ P>++ L+++ E>++ W+ N++ o? K- w--- !O !M !V
PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP+ t* 5+ X- R>+ tv++ b+>+++ DI+ D+ G>++ e* h! !r !y+
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 21 Jul 1999 09:52:57 GMT
In article <7n442u$hiu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>In comp.sys.amiga.misc Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Funny, what you are claiming doesn't really seem to be the case. Follow
the
>> following newsgroups for a while and you'll discover that.
>
>*grin*. Oh, well...
>
>I get my information directly from ISPs, from PPP login traces,
>from other developers and from IETF workgroups (PPPEXT among them),
>and I can assure you that I would not have gone to the trouble of
>implementing and field-testing MS-CHAP if it had not been necessary.
>
>But of course if you feel the random argumentative rambling on
>Usenet is more informative and objective then that is your choice.
And I get my information from the people who *ACTUALLY CONNECT TO ISPs* in
the *REAL WORLD*
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From: Holger Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 21 Jul 1999 10:14:50 GMT
In comp.sys.amiga.misc Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And I get my information from the people who *ACTUALLY CONNECT TO ISPs* in
> the *REAL WORLD*
Apparently from few people only though, if you have never talked
to the thousands of users who need to use MS-CHAP, yes, in the
real world, obviously.
Frankly, this is getting ridiculuos. Obviously you don't KNOW
that MS-CHAP is a problem. Fine, so you have been lucky enough
to never run across it. That does not mean that the problem
does not exist. It DOES exist, as thousands of users can testify.
Denying a problem just because you have been lucky enough to
never encounter it is just a sign of arrogance.
--
Holger Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.nordicglobal.com
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From: Holczhammer Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: netscape
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:31:09 GMT
Huh,
I use netscape (4.5) under linux. When I click on a mailto-tag, netscape
close itself automatically. Why?
(It was funny when I downloaded 35M from an 42M file)
What is the solution?
- Don't click on it?
- Patch it?
- Change it to iexplorer? (sorry, dumb joke :-)
- What else?
thank U for assistance.
garfield (cats never eats pinguin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Output EPS with StarOffice?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:17:39 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi.
I'm searching for a way to output EPS-Files from StarOffice 5.0 (preferably
StarCalc). I can print PS to a file, but I can't find an option to use EPS
with the generic Postscript printer driver.
Any help? Or do I have to go back to Excel to do this? :-(
A conversion from PS to EPS would also help alot!
thanks,
ho
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From: "R.K.Aa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Screen fonts?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:44:09 +0200
Gergo Barany wrote:
>
> In article <te0l3.4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steffan O'Sullivan wrote:
> >Newbie here - this must be a frequently asked question, but I can't
> >find anything on it.
> >
> >Screen fonts in linux staroffice are terrible. Is there a way to
> >improve them?
>
> There's an XFree86 Font Deuglification HOWTO somewhere, I think the
> maintainer was working on adding a section about StarOffice.
and somewhere in this case is:
http://www.frii.com/~meldroc/Font-Deuglification.html
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From: "Andrew Scutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Networking Problem
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:01:22 +0100
Hi, I need to run a Linux(RH6) box with 2 intel pro network cards, both on
the same subnet, where if one card dies the other kicks in, hardware
redundancy in other words.
Any ideas?
Is it possible?
--
Regards
Andy
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From: Marc SCHAEFER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: LINUX: Can't get ASUS P2B-DS to Recognize RAID for Redhat 6.0 install
Date: 21 Jul 1999 09:09:54 GMT
In comp.periphs.scsi Robert A. Hayden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: The installation recognized the RAID disk just fine as ID:0:0 and is able
: to install all the software. However, when I boot the RAID disck, I end
: up getting the following in LILO:
Can you boot with the boot floppy you created during the installation of
the system and use the system normally ? If yes, then it's maybe something
due to the geometry, such as Linux and the BIOS disagreeing on some
geometrical parameters.
One thing you could try, with your system booted with floppy, is to
edit /etc/lilo.conf and add the ``linear'' option. Then run /sbin/lilo
to reinstall LILO. And reboot (CTRL-ALT-DEL) without the floppy this time.
Note that one thing is that LILO cannot load a kernel if the filesystem
the kernel is on has the boundary above the 1024 cylinder. Work-around,
for example automatically done by SuSE Linux, is to create a very small
/boot partition.
: "L 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20"
In the LILO user manual, page 40 (at least for the version I have),
it says that the ``first stage boot loader has been loaded and started,
but it can't load the second stage boot loader. The two digit error code
indicates the problem.''.
If you can't fix it (other than booting on a floppy :)), can you
tell me the output of /sbin/fdisk -l ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Subject: Re: state of SGML-tools wrt HOWTOs ?
Date: 21 Jul 1999 10:36:08 GMT
Cameron L. Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7n3the$g72$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:
>>Binary packages of both sgml-tools 1 and 2 are available for Debian (at
>>least in "unstable"; I haven't checked the 2.1 tree).
>
>These vague references are very frustrating. The different Debian mirrors
>are laid out different ways.
Huh? All Debian mirrors follow the same structure; only the "entry"
directory is different.
>Please give a complete URL.
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/text/sgml-tools_1.0.9-1.deb
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/text/sgmltools-2_2.0.2-2.deb
>The package search at www.debian.org shows only sgml-tools 1.0.9-1.
The package search defaults to searching "stable" only.
>The abandoned Web site www.sgmltools.org says that's obsolete, but
>sgml-tools 2.0.2 does not build and has not been packaged.
It has been packaged. As I pointed out, it is in the "unstable" section of
your local Debian mirror.
>What's a DSSSL stylesheet?
SGML is a language to define markup languages. DSSSL is a language in which
one can specify how an SGML document is to be rendered using a particular
output mechanism (say TeX or HTML).
>Has the LDP ever used them?
If they are indeed moving to DocBook, most likely yes.
I don't know for sure; I'm not familiar with the LDP except for its output.
>Do I have to figure out what they are and how to install them to revise a
>Linux mini-HOWTO?
sgml-tools 2's "sgmltools" will use them for you, so you don't have to deal
with them directly. The "sgmltools-2" package for Debian unstable has the
proper dependencies.
>What's Jade? (Besides another software package named with a common
>dictionary word to defeat the search engines, that is.)
Jade (http://www.jclark.com/jade/) is a DSSSL engine on top of the SP suite
(http://www.jclark.com/sp/index.htm) whose "nsgmls" you may be familiar
with. Consider it a standards-compliant "rendering engine" for SGML.
>Debian uses a LaTeX distribution called TeTeX.
>Sgmltools-2.0.2 comes with a thing called "jade" that takes a hell of a
>long time to build. I'm afraid to run the make install, it might clobber
>TeTeX, and I'll have another Slackware-like halfway screwed up gigantic
>unusable LaTeX mess again. Yecch.
Then use the Debian package of "jade" instead, or install to /usr/local.
(Jade itself shouldn't touch your TeX directories, but "jadetex" (the TeX
backend) does).
>>>How does it relate to Linuxdoc?
>>
>>The LDP will be moving away from Linuxdoc to DocBook; there's a migration
>>script/binary "l2db" in sgml-tools 2.
I was mistaken; it's "ld2db" and it's a backend of sgml-tools 2's
"sgmltools".
>Will there be any instrctions to the HOWTO maintainers, or are we all
>supposed to figure this out independently?
I don't know. Doesn't the LDP have a mailing list for discussions of issues
like this?
>>Use sgmltools 1's "sgml2latex" and friends, or convert your Linuxdoc
>>documents to DocBook with sgmltool 2's "l2db".
>>
>>HTH,
>
>Is this a joke?
Given the level of misunderstanding on Usenet, I always use smileys to
indicate jokes.
>What are we supposed to do, really?
Keep using the LinuxDoc DTD with sgmltools 1, or migrate to DocBook with
sgmltools 2?
Migration to DocBook works fine for me (on an "unstable" system):
wget
http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/other-formats/sgml/LILO.sgml.gz
gunzip LILO.sgml
sgmltools -b ld2db LILO.sgml
sgmltools -b dvi LILO.db-sgml
xdvi LILO.dvi
Ray
--
Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden.
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From: sunchange lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,aus.computers.linux
Subject: problem with making boot/root disk
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:41:01 +0000
hi:
i recently have read the linux BOOTDISK HOWTO and make an boot/root
disk following it.it include and kernel(2.0.34) and a compressed root
filesystem(ext2) after the kernel image.
but when i boot from the disk,it stops after says:
......
RAMDISK:Compressed image found at block xxx
VFS:Mounted root(ext2 filesystem)
(STOP HERE)
my root filesystem include all the important things mentioned in the
HOWTO:init,inittab, mingetty necessary device file......
please help me,thank you.
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From: "neil murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: neighbour table overflow???
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:00:01 +1000
hi,
after upgrading my linux system to 2.2.6 (slackware 4) I've been
getting a boot message "neighbour table overflow" straight after my cdrom
is mounted and just prior to gpm being called (i.e. just prior to login
prompt).
does anyone know what this message refers to?
is it an err message?
thanks in advance
Neil Murray
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From: Mattias Bergvall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: LINUX: Can't get ASUS P2B-DS to Recognize RAID for Redhat 6.0
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:24:09 +0200
"Robert A. Hayden" wrote:
> I am in the process of setting up a new Redhat 6.0 server and I am
> having some problems getting it to properly boot from the hardware
> RAID
Does the Hardware RAID controller make a BIOS accessable device?
If not, I don't think it would be easy booting off of it, as LILO
won't find your kernel image.
> "L 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20"
>
> I do have a 100mb /boot partion as /dev/sda1.
Where on /dev/sda1 is this /boot partition located?
It has to be accessible by LILO/BIOS, in other words, below the first
2GB (1024 cyl) of the disk.
Mattias
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Subject: Re: Screen fonts?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffan O'Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:30:50 GMT
Gergo Barany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>Screen fonts in linux staroffice are terrible. Is there a way to
>>improve them?
>
>There's an XFree86 Font Deuglification HOWTO somewhere, I think the
>maintainer was working on adding a section about StarOffice.
Ah, thanks! "deuglification" is the key word enabling me to find this
web page - not a word I would have thought of on my own, I confess. I
found the page, and the introduction begins:
One of the most annoying sets of problems I have had to deal with is
the abysmal default fonts and font settings of X (I'm talking
specifically about XFree86, other versions of X may be better.) Many
programs use fixed width default fonts when a variable width font
would be more appropriate. Other programs use fonts that are
ridiculously tiny and unreadable. The fonts that are bundled with
XFree86 are barely adequate for the job.
This is exactly how I feel - I'll read through this very carefully,
thanks for the tip!
I don't yet know if the site will be useful, but if anyone else wants
to try, the URL is:
http://www.frii.com/~meldroc/Font-Deuglification.html
--
-Steffan O'Sullivan |
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | "Seek Grailo, Even Better Than the True Grail"
Chapel Hill, NC |
www.io.com/~sos | -James Thurber sums up the 20th Century
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:42:20 GMT
On 21 Jul 1999 05:43:08 GMT, Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The heart of the matter is whether you favour a minority or a majority.
>Some people are gonna get screwed no matter what, the question is how many
>and how much.
No, the question is *who* and how much. You want to screw everyone who has
more than you do. Your writings smack more of jealousy and envy than
anything else.
>Heinlein was a fucked up asshole without the slightest grasp on reality.
"Hello, Mr. Kettle? I'm Mr. Pot. You're black."
>And why the bloody hell shouldn't workers take the *wealth* /they/
>created in the first place?!
Because they *didn't* create all of it, yet you would have them take it all
anyway?
I suspect you wouldn't sully a copy of a Tom Clancy book with your hands,
but, just in case you would, I'd suggest you read pages 365-366 of Executive
Orders. He debunks the "working man" argument quite thoroughly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:44:37 GMT
On 21 Jul 1999 07:04:37 GMT, Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>And the fact that Japanese society is fucked up has nothing to do with
>either?
Where do you think those destructive tendencies *come from*?!
> Total suppression of anger is the only redeeming feature of
>japanese society I know of. But I guess you'd prefer if people lash
>out at their neighbours?
I don't suppose it's occurred to you, since you only appear to think in
extremes, that there's a middle road? Have you *spoken* to any non-Marxist
psychiatrists?
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From: Paul Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: kernel compile anamolies
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:48:43 +1200
"J. Guy Stalnaker" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone experienced problems with a kernel compile like this:
>
> I run 'make menuconfig', select my options, do
>
> make dep; make clean, make bzImage
>
> I follow RedHat instructions (in Getting Started manual) to rename old
> /boot files to allow for new files.
>
> I copy /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage to /boot/vmlinuz
>
> I then run 'make modules', copy the old modules to a new dir: mv
> /lib/modules/2.2.5-15 /lib/modules/2.2.5-15-old, and then do 'make
> modules_install'.
>
> I altered /etc/lilo.conf to accommodate both the old kernel and the new
> one and then I restart.
>
> Problem: some of the config selections do NOT take. What I'm trying to
> do is compile my nic card into the kernel so it doesn't load as a
> module. For some reason kernel 2.2.5-15 has a problem finding the nic
> card. I have ONCE successfully gotten it compiled into the kernel (I
> have written down the lines from /var/lod/dmesg that clearly show the
> kernel finding the nic card with the correct IRQ and memory addresses).
> Yet, any slight alteration in the kernel compile config file
> /usr/src/linux/.config RESETS the nic card back to loading as a module
> (I'm not kidding). Right now I'm recompiling with module support
> disabled because after FIVE compile runs yesterday, this morning I
> watched the kernel boot and attempt to load the nic card as a module
> when I KNOW that the last compile run I did yesterday was based on
> config selections to ensure that the nic card was compiled into the
> kernel. This is the most bizarre behavior I've ever experienced in
> Linuxland.
>
> Any observations or suggestions are welcome.
Did you take a look at /usr/src/linux/README
SQ
- Make sure you have no stale .o files and dependencies lying around:
cd /usr/src/linux
make mrproper
EQ
I've found that make mrproper before make menuconfig will give the
directory structure a proper cleanout so that your sort of problems
won't occur.
Paul Wilkins
--
Proudly sent with Linux
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