Linux-Misc Digest #107, Volume #19 Sat, 20 Feb 99 05:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RH5.1 security Issues? (Chris Cocozzo)
Re: IP addresses of PC under same network how to get? (John Parkey)
Re: Kernel upgrade tampered internet connection? (Miikka Laakko)
Re: Logging Telnet Sessions to a Text File (Rolf Skowronek)
hdparm command (Christopher Michael Collins)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Linus Torvalds)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Arthur)
Ftape Problem!! (ali)
Re: directory removal program (marijane white)
Re: Compiling kernel, get errors (Villy Kruse)
Re: Cyrix MII 333 and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
[Q] Serial Communication software for UNIX (Mohd-Hanafiah Abdullah)
Re: Compiling kernel, get errors (Villy Kruse)
Re: Compiling kernel, get errors (Michael Powe)
Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated? (Robert Fleming)
Re: Question on compressed kernel (was Re: Compiling kernel, get errors) (Villy
Kruse)
Re: Can someone tell me how to get LILO to update my boot floppy's kernel map?
(Villy Kruse)
Re: GCC x EGCS (Bill Simpson)
msdos mount failure above 2.4G (Carl Schwartz)
Changing reply-to address ("M. van Riel")
Re: Linux Users in Houston TX ("Andy Martinez")
Re: floating point accuracy on Linux? (Rob Komar)
How can I install ICQ for Java in Linux? (Moleuman Ehao)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Mike)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 18 Feb 1999 22:38:47 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
> On 15 Feb 1999 11:48:37 +0000, Paul Flinders
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us all with this bit of
> wisdom:
>
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >> It's been shown that the trends towards safer workplaces, cars, airlines,
> >> etc... already existed before government regulation. In fact, in some cases
> >> the trends slowed when regulation appeared. You won't hear that in the news,
> >> or course, because that would be a plus for those of us who want less
> >> government and more independence.
> >That would be why Ford decided it would be cheaper to pay accident
> >victims compensation than to design a safer car?
> To what are you referring?
Presumably to the Ford Pinto, which had a small design defect that
would have cost tens of millions to fix and looked like it would cost
in the neighborhood of zero to one lives if it weren't fixed.
Unfortunately for Ford, the one life didn't end up ended but merely
horrible burnt and very, very litigious.
But yes, safety in technology tends to increase over time; regulation
may speed that up (by requiring non-cost-effective changes) or slow it
down (by slowing the pace of technological change). Either way, a bad
bargain.
M.
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From: Chris Cocozzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH5.1 security Issues?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:52:19 -0700
can anyone point me in the right direction? I am looking for a list of
security issues/updates for RedHat 5.1...I thought I saw it on RH's site
once but since 5.2 is out, I can't seem to locate it.
Thanks
Chris
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From: John Parkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: IP addresses of PC under same network how to get?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 06:20:11 +0000
"John+@newbie@+Wong" wrote:
>
> Dear Linux World,
> I'm now trying to get files from my MS neighbouring PCs on my linux
> box. Somebody suggested smbclient for me this newbie... but how to get
> the IP of the PCs on the network?
>
> What can I use? What should I do?
Use winipcfg on W95; for NT open up a dos box and type ipconfig
>
> Thank you for any suggestion and help.....
>
> Best Regards
> John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miikka Laakko)
Subject: Re: Kernel upgrade tampered internet connection?
Date: 19 Feb 1999 08:04:10 GMT
sorry, the system has problems posting my messages, so I have to
post follow-ups to my own blank messages...
so, after I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.1 and compiled it with the same
settings as the previous one, my connections to my ISP disconnect after a
couple of minutes. /var/log/messages says 'modem hangup' like I myself had
disconnected. what's the problem?
--
--
miiHKali
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* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** http://www.student.oulu.fi/~milaakko *
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From: Rolf Skowronek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Logging Telnet Sessions to a Text File
Date: 19 Feb 1999 07:31:52 GMT
Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
:> Is it possible to log a telnet session to a text file? I'm trying to
:> diagnose some Cisco switches and need to send some screen dumps.
: script will log anything:
: script my-telnet-session.log
: telnet
: ...
: exit
or you could use tee:
telnet remotehost | tee sessionlog
Rolf
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nicht geschehene Taten ziehen oft einen erstaunlichen
Mangel an Folgen nach sich. (S.J. Lec)
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Subject: hdparm command
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Michael Collins)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:46:18 GMT
Hello,
Is the 'hdparm -t' command supposed to give
disc I/O info. I run this in a teminal window and
it does do anything but provide a help Infor screen.
What is it for? How is it used?
--
--Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linus Torvalds)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 19 Feb 1999 07:33:09 GMT
In article <7aiaia$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> So then you must be happy that we changed the "free" to "open source",
>> right?
>>
>Please parse FSF. Their software isn't free.
So go complain to the FSF.
Don't come around complaining about people who want to use the GPL for
their own projects.
Please, just use the BSD license, I've never tried to convince you to
use anything else. Or use the "John Dyson" license. I don't care.
Really.
The _only_ thing I'm asking you, John, is to just shut up about other
peoples choice of licenses. It's none of your business, John. You aren't
the license police.
Linus
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From: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:34:34 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
> > On 15 Feb 1999 11:48:37 +0000, Paul Flinders
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us all with this bit of
> > wisdom:
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >> It's been shown that the trends towards safer workplaces, cars, airlines,
> > >> etc... already existed before government regulation. In fact, in some cases
> > >> the trends slowed when regulation appeared. You won't hear that in the news,
> > >> or course, because that would be a plus for those of us who want less
> > >> government and more independence.
> > >That would be why Ford decided it would be cheaper to pay accident
> > >victims compensation than to design a safer car?
> > To what are you referring?
> Presumably to the Ford Pinto, which had a small design defect that
> would have cost tens of millions to fix and looked like it would cost
> in the neighborhood of zero to one lives if it weren't fixed.
> Unfortunately for Ford, the one life didn't end up ended but merely
> horrible burnt and very, very litigious.
> But yes, safety in technology tends to increase over time; regulation
> may speed that up (by requiring non-cost-effective changes) or slow it
> down (by slowing the pace of technological change). Either way, a bad
> bargain.
In the late 70's (79?) three women burned to death when a
Pinto was struck from behind and the gas tank blew up. The
gas tank failure was traced to the absence of a bracket
which cost less than $3 (might have been much less - I'm
not sure) which some Ford engineers thought was necessary.
It was left out as a cost savings. I was a QC/Reliability
manager for an automotive electronics supplier at the time,
and Ford was a customer. Ford eventually prevailed in court.
My suspicion is the three women would have viewed the cost
effectiveness differently than Ford did.
Arthur
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:58:12 +0000
From: ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Ftape Problem!!
Hi!!
I've just upgraded to kernel 2.2.1 and correspondingly downloaded the
latest ftape snapshot and installed everything.
Problem is that everytime I issue the command "ftmt -f /dev/qft0 status"
I get a "device not configured" error
I'm using a ditto 2GB parallel drive.
What do I do (and in general how would I go about configuring devices
since I get the same error for /dev/sequencer when trying to play midi
files with playmidi )
Thanks
ali
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From: marijane white <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: directory removal program
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:32:15 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Steve wrote:
> Hi all..
>
> I *know* there has to be an easier way than the way I've been trying
> to do this..
>
> Does anyone know of a small stand-alone program that will forcefully
> remove a directory automatically instead of having to manually by hand
> rm files, then rmdir directories??
>
rm -rf <dirname>
read the rm manpage for more.
hth,
marijane
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Compiling kernel, get errors
Date: 19 Feb 1999 09:32:18 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>You might need to do `fdisk /mbr' to clear your MBR and then go back
>and run lilo again to set it up correctly. Sounds like something
>might have gotten dorked there.
That won't make any difference what so ever. You would only need to do
this if you want to blow away linux and forgot to uninstall the lilo
loader in the MBR sector. The lilo command will re-install the lilo
loader in the designated sector everytime it is executed.
Villy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips
Subject: Re: Cyrix MII 333 and Linux
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:34:52 GMT
On 19 Feb 1999 05:54:46 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John
Hong) wrote:
>tonys ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: bus speed is 83 mhz....multiplier is 3x it is a .25 micron etch size....i
>: have an 300pr that is an .25....should be black....not gold..
>
> <??> Are you sure about this? What is the voltage? I mean if
>it is 2.9v, then it is not .25 die in size.
>
> Regarding the black/gold thing, I could've sworn I've read here
>that it is the gold version of the PR300 that you want and not the
>black.
>
>
For black/gold thing look at
http://www.upgradecenter.com/reviews/cpu/cyrix_mII/
Also interesting to look at:
http://www.national.com/pf/MI/MII.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mohd-Hanafiah Abdullah)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris
Subject: [Q] Serial Communication software for UNIX
Date: 20 Feb 1999 16:03:17 +0800
Hi:
I used to use a software program to do serial communication between the Sun
Sparc running Solaris and a Motorola 68K board that I built. Now I've
forgotten the name of the software and couldn't seem to find it.
Someone told me it's a software that was standard on Sun Sparc Solaris.
I know it's not minicom or kermit or seyon. I like the software for its
upload/download features which worked the first time I tried it.
Would appreciate if anyone could refresh my memory on this.
Don't you hate it when you forget something like this.
Thanks for any tips. :-)
Napi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Compiling kernel, get errors
Date: 19 Feb 1999 09:37:38 +0100
In article <7ahfah$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Brian Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David says...
>>
>>What is the image name in /etc/lilo.conf? Is the name you used
>>the same?
>>The one in lilo.conf is probably named differently than vmlinuz.
>
>image = /vmlinuz
>root = /dev/hda6
>label = linux
>image = /vmlinuz.old
>root = /dev/hda6
>label = old
>
And if the lilo command ran without a problem you could try to type in
old at the lilo: prompt. But I'm sure you've tried that already.
You migth want a third kernel definition for an absolute fallback:
image = /vmlinuz.save root = /dev/hda6 label = save
and as soon you have a working kernel, copy that to /vmlinuz.save and
ron lilo with the above spec included.
Villy
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compiling kernel, get errors
Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:17:57 -0800
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>>>>> "Villy" == Villy Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Villy> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Powe
Villy> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You might need to do `fdisk /mbr' to clear your MBR and then
>> go back and run lilo again to set it up correctly. Sounds like
>> something might have gotten dorked there.
Villy> That won't make any difference what so ever. You would
Villy> only need to do this if you want to blow away linux and
Villy> forgot to uninstall the lilo loader in the MBR sector. The
Villy> lilo command will re-install the lilo loader in the
Villy> designated sector everytime it is executed.
Yes, it might make a difference if the problem is in the MBR.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Robert Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:23:35 -0700
The reason that they don't add all the monitors is because there are to
many non-name brands out there (Just a silly ideas anyway). Most of
which will use the same internal hardware as half a dozen of the regular
manufactures (That is where they get the hardware in the first place)
Take a stab and pick a couple of the best monitor names from the list
and see what you get. That is the best thing for it. You could spend
the rest of your life typing stuff in to a program that really doesn't
need to be there if you just check for standard chips and see what the
monitor can do.
Linux is not Microsoft it is expected that you can do some poking
around, and come up with what you need, and that you will probably spend
some time reading the how-to's for the things that your are setting up.
www.linux-howto.com would be a good place to look for that info on the
XFree86 configuration information on X. That is the first thing that I
did before I got mad. You will find that X is very very configurable
once you know what the configation capabilities of the chip in the
monitor is.
rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Question on compressed kernel (was Re: Compiling kernel, get errors)
Date: 19 Feb 1999 09:43:03 +0100
In article <7ai98c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Brian Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Thanks for everyone's help. It really steered me into the right direction so I
>could tinker with it and get it working myself.
>
>I answered my own question (no, don't use the kernel in "./compressed") and I
>figured out what was wrong (I wasn't running "/sbin/lilo" from "/" after
>installing the new kernel image). I now have sound and firewalling!
>
Just as an afterthought: If you run 'make zlilo' the procedure will copy
the old /vmlinuz to /vmlinuz.old
then copy the newly created vmlinuz to /vmlinuz and run the lilo command.
Same for 'make bzlilo'
Villy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Can someone tell me how to get LILO to update my boot floppy's kernel map?
Date: 19 Feb 1999 09:46:42 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[newsgroups trimmed]
>
>
>You use lilo's -r flag which does a chroot before running. Something like:
>
> lilo -v -C /etc/lilo.conf -r /mnt/floppy
>
>
>-Tom
And that will use the lilo.conf found on the floppy disk, not the one on
the root disk, correct?
Villy
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:52:22 -0600
From: Bill Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Bill Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GCC x EGCS
>
> >should I use both?
> If you have 2.0.x kernel you should use GCC to compiling kernel and EGCS to
> compiling programs.
How do you find out what kernel you have? Thanks!
Bill
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From: Carl Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: msdos mount failure above 2.4G
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:17:09 -0800
I can't get my RedHat v.2.0.36 to mount msdos file system on extended
partition drives of my
Winbook XP (in top 2.4G of 3.2G hd). W95 & dos primary partitions mount
fine. When logical
drives are created with dos fdisk, they appear correctly as hd7 & hd8 in
Linux fdisk. Then after
formatted with dos, Linux still reports bad superblock and will not
mount the drives. I did the
'dd' stuff in 'man fdisk' to clear junk out of 1st sector that throws
Msdos for a loop. It didn't
seem to help. MSdos, W95, etc work OK with files in these partitions
above 2.4G. I flashed
in updated Phoenix bios for drives above 500M a year ago when I
installed new 3.1G hd.
It has worked great for all MSOS's and Linux until I decided I wanted to
put data up high
and keep primary partitions for the lame MSOS's that have to be there.
Must be some kind
of DOS bug?
Below are /var/log/dmesg and /etc/fstab files.
Carl Schwartz
/var/log/dmesg:
Memory: sized by int13 088h
Console: 16 point font, 400 scans
Console: colour VGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console (max 63)
pci_init: no BIOS32 detected
Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 37.48 BogoMIPS
Memory: 30796k/32768k available (748k kernel code, 384k reserved, 840k
data)
This processor honours the WP bit even when in supervisor mode. Good.
Swansea University Computer Society NET3.035 for Linux 2.0
NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.13 for Linux NET3.035.
Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.034
IP Protocols: IGMP, ICMP, UDP, TCP
Linux IP multicast router 0.07.
VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_5.6.0 initialized
Checking 386/387 coupling... Ok, fpu using exception 16 error reporting.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... Ok.
Linux version 2.0.36 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1
Tue Oct 13 22:17:11
EDT 1998
Starting kswapd v 1.4.2.2
Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled
tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
PS/2 auxiliary pointing device detected -- driver installed.
Real Time Clock Driver v1.09
Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size
hda: TOSHIBA MK3205MAV, 3102MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=788/128/63
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306
md driver 0.36.3 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8
scsi : 0 hosts.
scsi : detected total.
Partition check:
hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 hda6 hda7 hda8 >
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
Adding Swap: 48348k swap-space (priority -1)
[MS-DOS FS Rel. 12,FAT 0,check=n,conv=b,uid=0,gid=0,umask=022,bmap]
[me=0x0,cs=0,#f=0,fs=0,fl=0,ds=0,de=0,data=0,se=0,ts=0,ls=0,rc=0,fc=4294967295]
Transaction block size = 512
VFS: Can't find a valid MSDOS filesystem on dev 03:07.
/etc/fstab:
/dev/hda6 / ext2 defaults
1 1
/dev/hda1 /dosboot msdos defaults
0 0
/dev/hda7 /dta1 msdos defaults
0 0
/dev/hda5 swap swap defaults
0 0
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy ext2 noauto
0 0
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro
0 0
none /proc proc defaults
0 0
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From: "M. van Riel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Changing reply-to address
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:05:13 +0100
Hi there!
The question is very simple:
How do I change the reply-to address in elm or pine?
Is the ansewer as simple?
Mathijs van Riel
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From: "Andy Martinez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Linux Users in Houston TX
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:12:12 -0700
Even if I was qualified with Linux like I am in other
UNIX flavors, I would not submit myself to working
with such an ego maniac like this poster.
\t
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Komar)
Subject: Re: floating point accuracy on Linux?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 09:03:27 GMT
Georg Schwarz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Did anybody find out, whether the FPU control word is
: inherited to child processes?
I wrote some test code and saw that the child process inherited
the FPU control word from the parent.
Cheers,
Rob Komar
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From: Moleuman Ehao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How can I install ICQ for Java in Linux?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:15:25 +0800
I've install jdk 1.1.7v1.1 for Linux and ICQJava in /usr/local and I
installed the ICQ for Java smoothly without any error message. However
when I executed ./ICQ, the following message is out!!
[root@local ICQJava]# ./ICQ
Can't find class Mirabilis.ICQ.NetAware.CNetAwareApp
What's that? The ICQJava.faq have NOT mentioned that and I don't have
any
idea to find the missing class... The following is the 'variable' when I
type command 'set'. I'm using Redhat Linux 5.2
[root@local ICQJava]# set
CLASSPATH=/usr/local/jdk1.1.7/lib/classes.zip:/other_dirs_with_classes/:.
JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk1.1.7/
Thanks.
Ray
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:43:20 GMT
Sorry I'm a relative newbie also. How do you tell if you are using
GNOME with your window manager or not? I have it installed and I'm
using WindowMaker right now.
On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:53:53 +1100, Paul Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:07:00 -0800, "P.G."
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> KDE and GNOME are going to prove to be integral to the success of
>> LINUX in the mainstream. The GUI for LINUX is will be the 'killer app'
>> and whoever gets there first will be the kings of the LINUX world.
>
>You're assuming a monopolistic winner-takes-all scenario. The beauty
>of Linux is that there is no need (or reason) for there to be a single
>desktop solution. I'm currently using fvwm95, AfterStep and enlightenment
>window managers, with and without Gnome; I haven't decided which
>combination
>I like best, but that doesn't make any difference to the applications I am
>running. With themes, even the same window manager can look and feel very
>different depending on the user's taste (or lack thereof... ;)
>
>Open, open, open.
>
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Paul Taylor Veni, vidi, tici -
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] I came, I saw, I ticked.
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