Linux-Misc Digest #182, Volume #21 Tue, 27 Jul 99 09:13:09 EDT
Contents:
How to reduce the desktop size (J.N. Subrahmanyam)
Re: drives mount in linux and dos-like OS's (Alexander Viro)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Darren Winsper)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Darren Winsper)
Re: Setting environment in bash shell? (Raj Rijhwani)
Re: CIA assassinations ("A.T.Z.")
Re: drives mount in linux and dos-like OS's (Artur Swietanowski)
Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries (Lou Grinzo)
Netscape 4.51 ("Grace S. Mendoza")
Re: Format of Linux BootDisk? (Fabian Giesen)
looking for xagent (Roger)
PIKT, Problem Informant/Killer Tool, v1.6.0 released
Re: Toronto + Rogers@home + RH 6 (Lew Pitcher)
Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries (mlw)
Problem creating boot disk/writing to MBR (Richard Townsend)
Re: CIA assassinations (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Did SUSE 6.1 egcs lose C++??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Adding Linux box (RH 6) to NT network (Stearns25)
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From: J.N. Subrahmanyam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to reduce the desktop size
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:31:31 GMT
Dear friends,
Previously, I used to do ctrl+alt+"+" to change the size of the desktop.
Now I am using a different linux system. Using ctrl+alt+"+" I am not
able to change the desktop size. Could somebody help me in changing the
size of my desktop using the above mentioned procedure.
Regards,
subrahmanyam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: drives mount in linux and dos-like OS's
Date: 27 Jul 1999 07:18:20 -0400
In article <7nk1pl$n0i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
YamYam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi...
>I want to ask about the difference in mount/umount the drivers in
What difference? It's a normal UNIX.
>linux 'is it necessary, if so why?' and the easy one in Dos-like
>OS's 'e.g., Win95, Win98, ...'.
Ah, with those... You mean that gross with 'disk names' instead of unified
tree?
>I found it very complicated for the Dos-like users to switch to linux at
>this point. Is there any suggessions to make easy for that user, such as
>writing a script to mount/umount the floppy and cdrom?
D'oh. So write it... It's a one-liner - mount name_of_the_mountpoint and
there you go. Just add the appropriate line into /etc/fstab (don't
forget to add noauto,user to options field). What's the problem?
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:35:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 27 Jul 1999 01:46:07 -0700, Michael Powe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ATZ> The worst thing is, he believes what he is writing.
>
>No, the worst thing is that the selfish bourgeois, among the number of
>which unfortunately we must count you, are in complete control of the
>governments of the western world.
The only difference between bourgeoise man and the poor man
is that the bourgeoise man has more money. Give the poor man money
and you have the very same bourgeoise.
<snip>
>protecting individual irresponsibility. If the EU can resist the
>economic pressures of the US, the citizens there may yet come out on
>top.
OK, I live in Europe (in 2003 in EU). If it so much more better in
Europe, why don't you swap your citizenship with some European?
Why are you not moving to Europe if this is so much better. BTW,
I definitely would like to move to US.
Marcin Krol
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Reality is something that does not disappear after
you cease believing in it - VALIS, Philip K. Dick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 27 Jul 1999 10:54:13 GMT
On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:55:19 GMT, Matthew Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >You've stirred up the Amiga nutcases, RUN DARREN! Run and don't look back or
> >you will see the horde of Amiga fanatics frantically clutching their rather
> >pathetically outdated hardware. Run.
>
> Hey, there are some sensible Amigans.
Yeah, I hear somebody spotted Nessie the other day too :)
[Explination of Miami]
<Looks confused> He was right, a sensible Amigan...it's turned my
world upside down...what do I do now?
--
Darren Winsper - http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/darren.winsper
"God - error 38522: God does not exist - Warning 71154: the following
characters have been ignored: God." - Some mainframe with a crisis of faith.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 27 Jul 1999 10:54:12 GMT
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:45:45 GMT, Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "AP" == "Ashley Penney" writes:
> AP> You've stirred up the Amiga nutcases, RUN DARREN! Run and don't
> AP> look back or you will see the horde of Amiga fanatics frantically
> AP> clutching their rather pathetically outdated hardware. Run.
> AP>
> Yet another cluless idiot. It is amazing how they've come crawling
> out of the woodwork like cockroaches since the announcement of the
> AmigaNG.
>
> Apparently, things are boring as hell in the PC and MAC world. If not
> above most of these morons heads, so they come here to spew their
> foolish dribble.
Oh my God, you're right Ashley!
<Runs into the distance screaming>
--
Darren Winsper - http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/darren.winsper
"God - error 38522: God does not exist - Warning 71154: the following
characters have been ignored: God." - Some mainframe with a crisis of faith.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raj Rijhwani)
Subject: Re: Setting environment in bash shell?
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 99 08:19:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7nidn3$924$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Gordon Anderson" writes:
> The setenv command is not available in bash. Is there some other
> way to accomplish the same thing.? After installing Netscape, the
> instructions said to aa addt to profile a setenv MOZILLA_HOME
> /usr/locaal /netscape. Netscape doesn't work so I wanted to try
> this. Thanks
$ VARIABLE=value; VARIABLE2=value2; export VARIABLE VARIABLE2
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] | ... We know that you can hear us Earthmen
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http://www.courtfld.demon.co.uk/raj/ (demon, and gods, willing...)
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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:02:17 +0200
MK schreef:
> On 27 Jul 1999 01:46:07 -0700, Michael Powe
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ATZ> The worst thing is, he believes what he is writing.
> >
> >No, the worst thing is that the selfish bourgeois, among the number of
> >which unfortunately we must count you, are in complete control of the
> >governments of the western world.
>
> The only difference between bourgeoise man and the poor man
> is that the bourgeoise man has more money. Give the poor man money
> and you have the very same bourgeoise.
The worst part is that if a poor man gets some money he thinks he is rich
and will no longer socialize with his old friends.
> <snip>
> >protecting individual irresponsibility. If the EU can resist the
> >economic pressures of the US, the citizens there may yet come out on
> >top.
>
> OK, I live in Europe (in 2003 in EU). If it so much more better in
> Europe, why don't you swap your citizenship with some European?
> Why are you not moving to Europe if this is so much better. BTW,
> I definitely would like to move to US.
I also live in Europe, and even in the EU. We've got the Euro, not in the
wallet, but only on stockexchanges and on the bank. The Euro is going to be
one of the major currencies in the world.
Generally speaking, I don't think Europe is much better then the US. If you
want to move to the US, why don't you.
>
>
> Marcin Krol
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Reality is something that does not disappear after
> you cease believing in it - VALIS, Philip K. Dick
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Delete _spamspamlovelyspam_ from address to email me
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From: Artur Swietanowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: drives mount in linux and dos-like OS's
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:18:06 +0200
YamYam wrote:
>
> Hi...
> I want to ask about the difference in mount/umount the drivers in
> linux 'is it necessary, if so why?' and the easy one in Dos-like
> OS's 'e.g., Win95, Win98, ...'.
> I found it very complicated for the Dos-like users to switch to linux at
> this point. Is there any suggessions to make easy for that user, such as
> writing a script to mount/umount the floppy and cdrom?
Read up about automount. RH package name is "autofs". It requires
kernel support, which I think is on by default in RH distributions.
Also, KDE (K Desktop Env.) does mount / unmount via icons, and
the user only needs to do half of the work (i.e., the unmount).
HTH,
=====================================================================
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Institut f�r Statistik, Operations Research und Computerverfahren,
Universit�t Wien, Universit�tsstr. 5, A-1010 Wien, Austria
tel. +43 (1) 427 738 620 fax +43 (1) 427 738 629
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lou Grinzo)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:40:34 -0400
Windows DLLs and Linux shared libraries are both "stability
agnostic", meaning that they can be used to deliver
perfectly reliable code, or they can be used to deliver
bad code, or misused through configuration mismanagement.
The traditional problem with Windows DLLs is no that
they're particularly buggy in and of themselves (although
bugs show up there as well as in any other code), but that
too many programs have been too willing to replace DLLs
that other programs relied on, sometimes with older
versions of the DLLs, sometimes with newer versions that
we're fully compatible with the older versions.
The Windows "DLL Hell" problem is not a fault of the
technology, but a problem with how many companies have
used them. Linux's "shared misery" problems, like all
the recent problems with StarOffice and glibc, are a
similar situation.
Lou
In article <7nk1pm$n0i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> I'm wondering if there is a difference between dll files and linux
> libraries, since all of that are libraries. So are dlls less stable than
> linux libraries "as I really hope", or not?
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
>
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From: "Grace S. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Netscape 4.51
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:36:37 +0800
Hi,
I tried the Redhat 6.0 and got a problem in Netscape 4.51
configuration. Lately, I changed to another ISP and one
of their instructions is to configure the browser with manual
proxies for HTTP and FTP.
I only got an errror message that says "HTTP proxy is unknown"
everytime I click on the okay button. It doesn't accept what I
gave it. Some sort of a bug?
I know that I'm using the correct DNS entry because if I use the
KDE file manager as my browser and using the same configuration,
it's gonna work fine.
Any ideas or workaround
Grace
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From: Fabian Giesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.development,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Format of Linux BootDisk?
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:40:58 +0200
> I was wondering where and how in Sector 1 of a disk formatted under linux
> with ext2 file system
> is the data about the disk/partition? In dos formatted disk it's couple
> dozens first bytes of the disk
> that contain track per sector etc.
it's stored more often than just once, in the so-called "superblocks". see
a ext2 reference (search for it on http://www.searchlinux.com) for details
were you have to search for it ;)
Fabian Giesen
ryg/teklords
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger)
Subject: looking for xagent
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 99 19:53:44 GMT
Hi all,
is there an "official" developper or download site for the xagent nntp news reader?
TIA
Roger
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Subject: PIKT, Problem Informant/Killer Tool, v1.6.0 released
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:47:44 GMT
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Robert Osterlund, Unix Systems Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Grad School of Business, U of Chicago phone: 773/702-8898
1101 E. 58th Street, #309, Chicago, IL 60637, USA fax: 773/702-0233
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: Toronto + Rogers@home + RH 6
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:04:31 GMT
Rogers @Home service works with linux, according to the traffic on
comp.dcom.modems.cable
*and* a Rogers @Home salesman at Comdex North (last week).
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 02:50:11 +0100, Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Anybody know if the Canadian 'Rogers@home' cable internet service will
>work okay with linux? I know some people who are getting it and may be
>getting Linux on their computer, but want to know if it will work.
>
>Please reply by email - as I can't check this newsgroup that often.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Andrew
>(email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
>
>
Lew Pitcher
System Consultant, Integration Solutions Architecture
Toronto Dominion Bank
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:05:06 +0000
YamYam wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if there is a difference between dll files and linux
> libraries, since all of that are libraries. So are dlls less stable than
> linux libraries "as I really hope", or not?
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
This is a big rant of mine.
To me, I think Windows .DLL files are more stable and reliable than
Linux shared libraries. It is the versioning and conventions that make
linux shared libraries more stable. Let me explain:
In Windows, a .DLL is a self contained executable module that gets
loaded in to a process's application space. A .DLL is not assigned a
thread, but, it has all the other features of a process. It has it's own
dependencies, imports, and name spaces.
In Linux a shared library is loaded into the process space as part of
the program. symbols that need to be fixed up with real addresses come
from the application, not the shared library. So if a shared library
(say libyyy.so.1) is linked with libxxx.so.1 that declares a symbol,
__symX, is then used by an application that linked with libxxx.so.2
which also provides a __symX, the library libyyy.so.1 will get a
reference to the __symX in libxxx.so.2, not from re-loading libxxx.so.1.
So if the variable __simX changes between version 1 and version 2, you
are screwed.
This seems obvious to UNIX guys that this is correct, and in a very
tightly controlled, homogenous, environment it makes sense. In a varying
environment such as Linux, it breaks quickly.
In Windows the instability comes from single .DLL files being replaced
by newer ones that are not 100% compatible. Say OLE.DLL is replaced with
a new version, but the new version was not checked for backwards
compatibility. The replacement may cause an older problem to crash or
fail. However, the powers that be that produce Windows are seeing this
issue and staring to do things like MSVC42.DLL, MSVC40.DLL, etc.
Correctly versioned Windows .DLL files are a far better model for
distributing binary software objects than are Linux (UNIX) shared
libraries.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 95, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: Richard Townsend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem creating boot disk/writing to MBR
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:46:43 GMT
Hi!
I've recently assembled a PC, and last night I was having a go at bunging
RedHat 6.0 on it. Everything seemed to go OK until I got to the bit where
one creates a boot disk. This step failed with something along the lines
of:
/bin/insmod: no such file or directory
I popped up a shell, and had a poke around. It turns out "/bin/insmod" was
a symbolic link to "install". There was no install in the /bin directory,
but there was one sitting around on the system, so I did:
ln -sf `which install` /bin/insmod
This then (apparently) got /bin/insmod working again, but when I tried
again to write the boot floppy, things fell over, with the installation
program attempting to do:
/bin/insmod /bin/insmod <some_dir>/loop.o
I'm not really sure what is going on here, but it presents a bit of a
problem to me, since I experience the same difficulties when trying to
write the MBR. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what is going wrong?
For the record, my machine is as follows:
PIII 450MHz CPU
Abit BX6 Rev 2.0 motherboard
128Mb RAM
IBM Deskstar GXP22 HD (22Gb)
Mitsumi 40x ATAPI CD-ROM
Mitsumi 1.44Mb FDD
Voodoo3 3000 display card
SoundBlaster 16 PCI sound card
I would appreciate any pointers on this. By the way, I'm installing RedHat
from a "home-baked" CD-ROM rather than a boxed set one, and I didn't burn
the CD-ROM myself (so I'm not 100% sure it is all present and correct, but
pretty sure).
Many thanks,
Rich
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 27 Jul 1999 10:50:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Well, I'd be all for a classless society, in which "all men are
> created equal" -- and all women, too.
Once created, should they forever remain (financially) equal?
I mean, it's a difficult problem:
You've got two forklift operators, one who's a penny-pincher,
and one who's a spendthrift. Do you constantly take from the
pennypincher to give to the spendthrift, so that they remain
(financially) equal?
> However, such a society is an
> object of terror to the bourgeois, whose lives are based on an
> obsessive comparison of their status above and "superiority" to those
> below them -- and they control the purse strings.
The obsession with what others have, and their status above
or below oneself is a universal human character flaw.
--
Stefaan
--
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___________________________________________________________________
Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add,
but when there is no longer anything to take away. -- Saint-Exup�ry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Did SUSE 6.1 egcs lose C++???
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:06:00 GMT
So just what is going on here?
Did C++ disappear from Suse 6.1 egcs package by accident?
Where is __null, iostream.h, g++ ?
How can people compile KDE apps under Suse 6.1?
I can't believe I'd be the first person to spot a blooper of this
magnitude, but I'm buggered if I know how to compile the source for KDE
apps under my current system :-(
Anyone else had probs compiling KDE or other C++ apps off Suse 6.1 ?
I chose all the dev packages at install and have egcs,libgpp etc.
What initiated this was my desire to compile the latest version of
kppp. Please don't tell me to use wvdial as the issue is I want to
hack^H^H^H^Hdevelop C++ progs on my linux box...
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tim Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have recently installed Suse 6.1, only now when I come to compile
> stuff , I get the error that __null is not defined.
> __null is what NULL is defined to be it seems but where is __null got
> from.
>
> A simple one line c prog will reproduce this...
>
> >>>
> char *p = NULL;
> >>>
>
> compiling this with gcc -c gives
> `__null' was not declared in this scope
>
> so it does see that NULL is defined from __null but not __null itself.
>
> Including <stdio.h> or <stddef.h> does not solve this problem.
>
> I have gcc installed from package egcs-990315, gcc -v gives...
>
> gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314 (egcs-1.1.2 release)
>
> Was there something wrong with my install perhaps?
>
> --
>
> Tim Harrell
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stearns25)
Subject: Adding Linux box (RH 6) to NT network
Date: 27 Jul 1999 12:27:56 GMT
Hi,
Are there on-line doc on how to add a Linux box to an existing NT network? We
would like to experiment using the same Linux box as both Web and email server.
Any pitfalls we should be careful of?
Are there any good, commercial grade RDBMS and accointing package (similar to
the ACCPAC for windows) for Linux now?
Thanks you for any comments/suggestions/advice.
-al
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