Linux-Misc Digest #182, Volume #19 Thu, 25 Feb 99 23:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Ryan Cumming)
mount NeXT cd on Linux (David Arcoleo)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (david parsons)
Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? (Dennis Smith)
Re: Modems :( Suggestions? (Andrew Comech)
Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?) (Frank Hale)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (drwho)
Re: Linux programming book (David M. Cook)
Re: loosing diskspace!! (Tommy Johnsson)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Timothy Murphy)
Re: Printer Advice (Grant Taylor)
Re: Backups on Linux - What username to use? (James Lewis)
Cannot get to LILO boot: anymore (Michelle Xu Zhao)
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry)
Re: Redhat 6.0 Release Schedule? (Eric Lee Green)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (John S. Dyson)
Re: Booting without a keyboard (Phil Snowdon)
Re: a stable ICQ clone ? (Robert Crosbee)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (John S. Dyson)
Re: adding size to the linux partition (Rod Smith)
Re: Where is the config file that sets which librarys at strart up? (NecX)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Frank Sweetser)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:47:47 GMT
On 26 Feb 1999 01:45:52 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>OK, I am showing my ignorance here... but I need to learn about these
>type of things.
>
>What's a microkernel vs. a macrokernel? What is the difference?
>
>Someone please email me the answer privately instead of posting it
>here... =)... This takes up a lot of people's bandwidth, and I don't
>think everyone wants to hear the details... while I do. =)
Actually, it gets asked enough that it's worth publicizing.
A monolithic kernel (which Linux is implemented as) is one where the
entirety of the kernel is one big program.
A microkernel takes the approach of writing a little bitty
"executive," and then running the rest of what would be (in
monolith-world) the OS kernel as processes atop the microkernel.
MkLinux, the microkernelled version of Linux, runs as a "single
server," that is, where you have the Mach microkernel as that "itty
bitty executive," and then run the rest of Linux as a single process
(hence "single server") on top of Mach.
The GNU Project's Hurd is a multi-server microkernelled system; it
runs as a "herd" of daemons that run somewhat independently atop Mach.
The list of daemons has included:
auth, crash, devio, devport, exec, ext2fs, fifo, fwd, ifsock, init,
magic, new-fifo, nfs, null, pfinet, pflocal, proc, symlink, term,
ufs
and you hopefully can guess uses for many of them as they correspond
to some things that a UNIX kernel does.
The theory is that the microkernel approach should be:
a) More supportive of multiprocessor systems; the bits of the kernel
could run on different processors.
b) More stable. The processes that make up the "visible kernel"
should be restartable and other such stuff.
c) More portable. The code that needs to be hardware-dependent should
just be in the "itty bitty executive," and thus make porting to new
architectures easier.
d) Easier to mess with.
If I'm doing development of a new file system with Linux as monolith,
bugs in the filesystem code can easily injure the rest of the kernel,
and reinitializing after recompiling requires rebooting.
With something like Hurd, if I build a new FS, let's say "ext4fs," all
I need do is spawn the Mach process, "ext4fs" and kill it as needed to
start new instances of it. The rest of the system shouldn't be
affected.
Practice provides some downsides:
a) Mach, the "canonical" executive isn't terribly "itty bitty."
b) OS components in the monolithic arena got to assume the use of
shared memory to communicate with one another. In "microkernel
world," they are now processes that have to communicate through more
formalized paths, thus requiring marshalling of arguments, and slowing
things down.
c) Related to b), due to more inter-kernel-component communications,
there are more deadlocks that can come up, and other new bugs can
happen that we didn't have in "monolith-world."
d) Mach wasn't all that easy to port, and Linux turns out to be more
portable than expected.
e) Slowdowns from a), b), and debugging of c) mean that much of the
performance gains from parallelism get thrown away elsewhere.
f) It turns out that many of the purported advantages of microkernels
can be implemented in monolithic OS environments.
There are lots of bits of counterexamples; see VSTa, QNX, L4, Fiasco
as examples of "workarounds" for some of the downsides. None have
"leapt out" to replace Linux or *BSD or Hurd in terms of mindshare,
for whatever reasons.
See the URL below for links to much of the above, as well as to some
links on exokernels which *might* be the other answer.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/oses.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: Ryan Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:59:41 -0800
Colin Day wrote:
> iratheous wrote:
>
> > I'm glad to see honesty, even when dealing with something you dont like :)
> > Oh btw, I don;t liek counter arguments of 'it's debatable' without actually
> > presenting a debate! It's a cop-out. "It isn't as good", "Why" , "Because
> > it isn't!"
>
> If you are criticizing jedi for not backing up his claims, then what about
> the original poster (Mr. Cumming)?
Sorry. However I did more than put a "it's debateable" under everything. BTW,
you could probably peice together a full argument from all my posts :)
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From: David Arcoleo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mount NeXT cd on Linux
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:12:01 -0600
<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Does anyone know how to mount a NeXT cd on Linux? It doesn't seem
to recognize the format.
<p>-Dave</html>
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 25 Feb 1999 19:01:20 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Joseph Malicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >snip<
>: There is nothing in the GPL which says that the code cannot also be
>: released under a different license.
>
> However, that is it's practical effect.
>
> If you don't believe me, please list the few hundreds (thousands?)
> of people LINUS HIMSELF would would have to independently contact to
> get a different license for the Linux.
>
> So yes, GPL effectively removes all ability to release code under a
> different license.
No it doesn't. It makes it more difficult if you accept code from
third parties, because you have to track those people down to
change the license, but it's _trivial_ to take your code and change
the license from GPL to a free license.
____
david parsons \bi/ look at parsetime in at 2.[7-9]. It should be
\/ floating around on old FreeBSD distributions.
This code was first released under the GPL.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dennis Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:24:52 GMT
On 25 Feb 1999 21:02:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Reality is a
point of view) wrote:
> +---- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:47:20 GMT):
> | There is a serious problem created by the "I won't pay runtime fee"
> | argument, and that is that it hurts small companies who are trying
> | to get rolling in the 2 or 3 years up-to deployment time.
> +----
>
>I disagree. I wasn't aware of ObjectShare's recent filing
>until skimming that c.l.s thread yesterday. Maybe Lyon wasn't
>the problem. Maybe it was attitudes like the above that
>strangled the VW Smalltalk market. Yet again.
First, the comments are mine not objectshare's,
second I was not suggesting a return of runtime fees,
but an options, chooseable by the buyer so you could
have it whichever way you wanted. VWNC could in fact
be considered and extreme of runtime fees -- you use it
for free until you want to sell something commercially then
you pay per development seat.
>
>Go Squeak!
=================================================================
Dennis Smith, MaSc -- Cherniak Software Development Corporation
400-10 Commerce Valley Dr E, Thornhill ON Canada L3T 7N7
Phone: 905.771.7011 FAX: 905.771.6288
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cherniak.on.ca
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From: Andrew Comech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modems :( Suggestions?
Date: 25 Feb 1999 22:10:48 -0500
Please see
http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~comech/tools/CheapBox.html#modem
Cheers,
Andrew
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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?)
Date: 26 Feb 1999 02:20:20 GMT
> you can overclock it it will run hotter and finally burn out like all chips
> that are over clocked it is a gamble
> do it aown risk
So a Pentium II at 400 mhz will last longer than a Celeron overclocked
to 400? Whats the difference? Since Celerons are made from the same core
as a PII 400 why would this suggest it will burn out quicker?
I have a Celery 300A at 450mhz w/100 FSB and I had to take precautions
for the amount of heat it generates but my system temp is pretty low
even cooler than my old pentium II 266 with all the fans and stuff I got
in my new box. I had to bump the CPU voltage to 2.3 to get Linux fully
stable but other than that why do you suggest that it will burn out
quicker than a comparable Pentium II at the same speed?
--
From: Frank Hale
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 7205161
Website: www.franksstuff.com - my webhost has vanished mysteriously
"Knowledge only takes you so far, Determination takes you the rest of
the way"
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From: drwho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 25 Feb 1999 21:14:27 -0600
Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But the madness doesn't stop there, as the GPL forces this to be a
> two way street. See something you like under GPL? Sorry, you'll
> have to rewrite it from scratch if you actually want to use it.
>
> BSD encourages reuse. GPL encourages rewrite.
>
> Because of this, GPL is only usable for home toy projects. Outside
> that realm it breaks down quickly
>
Just for a little "insight" into the BSD vs. GPL argument, please have a
look at http://www.xnet.com/~drwho/share/lit/gpl.html for a little something
I threw together on the subject.
--
Fight email spam: http://www.cauce.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Linux programming book
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:06:24 GMT
On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:51:18 GMT, Mark Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I was thinking of ordering Linux Programming from Cheapbytes. Is the
>book any good? Are there better books?
The Slackware Press _Linux Programming_ book (#12 on Cheapbytes list) is too
sketchy IMO. You want _Beginning Linux Programming_ and/or _Linux
Application Development_. Both books require a knowledge of C. See
http://members.home.com/davecook/devel/#book
Dave Cook
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
From: Tommy Johnsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: loosing diskspace!!
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:14:47 +0100
If the system is built upp with many different partitions you can use the
df command to see wich partitin that grovs. To know what type the files in
the /tmp partition, use th file command. Also look att the last modified
date to see hov old the are.
You can also watch out for users trying to hide files in the /tmp and
/var/tmp catalogs if you are runing quota.
--
Tommy
"Most people's favorite way to end a game is by winning."
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Marko Brandes wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> we're running SuSE-Linux 5.0 with kernel 2.0.36 on our PC. He is acting
> as a backup-,file-, print- and faxserver.
> Our problem is, that we're loosing up to 10MB of disk space a day.
> How knows where linux is writing these 10MB?
> I've checked already the log files, they are not the problem. But i'm
> wondering that under the directory '/tmp' many directories named
> './kbtmp[#]' are created. Within there are very big files. Does it
> affect the system if i delete them?
>
> Please help ... we're running out of space in a few days and it's
> essential to keep the server running in our office.
>
> Tia, Marko
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Murphy)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 25 Feb 1999 12:04:10 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) writes:
>So was BSD, but it wasn't a knock-off, but the real thing. There is
>little to be gained from reinvention.
BSD was a re-invention of AT&T Unix.
--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tel: +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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From: Grant Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,fsu.linux
Subject: Re: Printer Advice
Date: 23 Feb 1999 17:20:45 -0500
"Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What are some good/bad experiences anyone has had with the following
> printers under Linux?
> HP DeskJet 895Cse
> Epson Stylus Photo EX
> Epson Stylus Color 740
I maintain the Printing HOWTO and, more importantly for you, its
associated printer compatibility list. Of those printers:
The "sibling" HP model 890C is known to work perfectly; I'm fairly
sure that the 895 will, too. If anyone can confirm this, please let
me know or add it to the compatibility listing (there is a form).
The Epson Stylus Color 740 is almost working; someone is right now
writing a driver (really just a Uniprint parameter file) for it. See
the 740 entry in the online listing for more details, or search
Dejanews for the beta upp driver files. This printer should soon be
working perfectly.
The Epson Stylus Photo series appears to use a 6 color (CMYKcm)
process; one other Stylus Photo is working, sort of, using a non-Photo
driver and only four colors. So this is not an ideal printer.
The compatibility list includes about 125 printers right now; you can
see it at the HOWTO URL in my .sig. Here is a handy summary of color
inkjets known to work perfectly now; many more work, and if you know
of one please add it.
make |model
=======+================
Canon |BJC-210
Canon |BJC-240
Canon |BJC-250
Canon |BJC-4000
Canon |BJC-4100
Canon |BJC-4200
Canon |BJC-4300
Canon |BJC-4400
Canon |BJC-610
Canon |BJC-620
Canon |BJC-70
Canon |BJC-800
Epson |Stylus Color
Epson |Stylus Color 400
Epson |Stylus Color 500
Epson |Stylus Color 600
Epson |Stylus Color 850
Epson |Stylus Color II
Epson |Stylus Color IIs
HP |2500C
HP |DesignJet 650C
HP |DeskJet 1200C
HP |DeskJet 1600C
HP |DeskJet 1600Cm
HP |DeskJet 400
HP |DeskJet 550C
HP |DeskJet 600
HP |DeskJet 660Cse
HP |DeskJet 690C
HP |DeskJet 850C
HP |DeskJet 855C
HP |DeskJet 870
HP |DeskJet 870Cxi
HP |DeskJet 890
HP |PaintJet XL300
IBM |Jetprinter 3852
Lexmark|Optra Color 40
Lexmark|Optra Color 45
(38 rows)
--
Grant Taylor - gtaylor@picante<dot>com - http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/
Cellphone information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/cell/
Libretto information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/
Linux Printing HOWTO: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/
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From: James Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backups on Linux - What username to use?
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:06:30 -0500
Rich Bowen wrote:
> We are using Arcserve to backup our servers, and we got the Arcserve agent
> for Linux. It appears to work OK, except that it wants to log in as root,
> which is not something that we're really thrilled about. Of course, Linux, by
> default, does not permit remote connections to log in as root - you can only
Sorry to nitpick here, but LINUX itself does not disable root connections by
default. It is usually the distribution that does it. I'm assuing you're
probably using Micros..err..Redhat linux in this case.
You could try creating a "backup" account, adding root as one of its groups.
Then using passwd -g root to change the group password. Then you can use newgrp
- root (as "backup") and be logged in as backup.root ...
Just an idea...
-James
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From: Michelle Xu Zhao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux,cino,is,ns-windows.nt
Subject: Cannot get to LILO boot: anymore
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:43:21 -0800
Hi, I installed a scanner software/drivers and rebooted
and found that the computer hang at printing the 'LILO boot:'
prompt. It will print 'LI' then hang forever.
I used to have winnt on partition 1 and linux on partition 4
and run them selectively via the 'LILO boot:' manager.
Now the boot manager seemed damaged by the scanner installation.
And I cannot boot either of the two OS since I cannot get to
the prompt.
The question is: How do I go fixing the boot manager and get
back the prompt? (get over the hang)
Thanks in advance.
Michelle
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:30:23 -0500
> We are considering doing that in out institute for several
> reasons.
>
> 1. lower maintenance costs
> 2. lower program costs
> 3. lower machine costs (most people curse Win 95 for being slow,
> let alone Win 98). The average machine is a 486/low end pentium.
> 4. More stability/security.
> 5. Ability to run remote apps without having to get an X emulator.
>
> The only drawbacks are trying to replace all the productivity
> apps that people use but hopefully WP 2000 will do that.
I'm not convinced you're going to achieve objective 1 - NT
maintenance using the Zero Admin stuff (not zero admin at all,
but...) results in an acceptable maintenance requirement. Don't
expect a substantial improvement - if any - on going Linux. Some of
the other objectives look a bit doubtful too, though I think your
overall cost of ownership should decrease. However, moving users
away from Microsoft Office is the big problem for most
organizations. Like it or not, it's what most users know how to use.
Harry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Lee Green)
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 Release Schedule?
Date: 26 Feb 1999 03:14:09 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:43:25 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Any educated guesses of when a redhat release that is based on the new kernel
>and glibc will appear?
Unknown. They have stated that they want GNOME 1.0 in RH 6.0 (btw,
GLIBC has been a feature of Red Hat since 5.0), but looking at the woeful
state of GNOME I don't know if that's a realistic goal. (Well, okay, it's
better than it was just two months ago when it was unusable by mere mortals
as vs. super-hackers, but it still has a ways to go to reach the usability
of KDE).
I suspect they'll do a code freeze by the middle of March, put out
"gold" CD-ROMs to selected testers, fix any "show stoppers" that show up,
and get them to press sometime in early April. That would put them into
shops by mid-May (somewhere around Linux Expo time).
But Red Hat has a history of being unpredictable, so it could be up to
a month earlier or later than what I suspect.
--
Eric Lee Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux-hw.com/~eric
"Microsoft views service as what a bull does to a cow." -- Unknown
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 25 Feb 1999 23:57:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens) writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>Red Hat is a parasite because it distributes mostly only GPLed works.
>
> Walnut Creek is not a parasite because it distrubutes mostly only BSD
> works.
>
Read the context for the reason why GPL doesn't effectively promote
the programming profession.
--
John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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From: Phil Snowdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Booting without a keyboard
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:52:41 +0000
> >
> >I don't want to have to plug in a keyboard everytime the system is
> >rebooted. System keyboard entry in bios is disabled. Any Ideas?
>
> You need to change the bios defaults on your box so that
> the post does not halt on errors. If the bios setup
> does not offer such an option you are going to have to
> put a dummy in the keyboard socket.
>
All of the bios settings are set to ignore errors, not to wait on "F1"
etc.
The bios post seems quite happy, as does LILO, which loads linux off
hda1. its only after loading and before uncompressing that everything
stops. Are there any boot parameters that would be useful, or would
using an uncompressed kernel help?
Thanks
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From: Robert Crosbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: a stable ICQ clone ?
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:21:35 -0500
Ive used LICQ, which seems to work well. I believe its at licq.com
Gilles Lortet wrote:
> Hi all,
> I feel a little bit lonely now that I spend most of my computing time on
> Linux, and the reason is that I miss my ICQ chats. I tried to find some
> equivalent for Linux, and for the moment only encountered some troubles.
>
> From my personal experience, gICQ is VERY unstable, and can only be used
> when logged as root. It is also so that I installed it as a rpm, but it
> is no longer considered as an installed rpm by glint or kpackage.
> Otherwise, I am currently using KDE 1.1 and the needed libs for kICQ and
> kxICQ are those from KDE 1.0. As a perfect newby, I am still unable to
> set down a nice cohabitation between the old and the new libs.
> Does anybody have a good idea ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 26 Feb 1999 00:07:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Richard Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>writes:
>: >Free software -- making the corporate programmer's job easier
>:
>: I write free software, but why on earth should I want to spend my time
>: making life easier for people who earn twice as much as me? I'm more
>: concerned with making my tools available to other non-corporate
>: programmers, people who program because they enjoy it, and who will
>: let me use their programs on the same basis.
>:
>: If someone's going to take my code and make it proprietary - perhaps
>: so that I can't even afford to use it myself - I'm damned if I can see
>: why I should let them do it for nothing.
>
> You're assuming (wrongly) that the "corporate programmer" never
> gives back to the free stream of code that *you* yourself use.
>
I agree:
NCI probably gives back about 80% of the OS code that it writes,
and probably all of it eventually. Whistle also gives back alot
of OS code, and so do other companies (who might or might not
want to be named.) This isn't possible with BSD? Balderdash,
it is *advantageous* for those companies to do so, even ignoring
any PR advantage.
This is the difference between a social engineering theory, and
real world practice: GPLers like to say that it doesn't really
happen under BSD, and in reality it does, for reasons that some
GPLers cannot fathom.
--
John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: adding size to the linux partition
Date: 24 Feb 1999 14:54:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Robert Crosbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Im looking to increase my partition size in linux. Is there any way to
> do this without trashing everything?
There are three possibilities:
1) Backup, remove the partition, create a new (bigger) one, and restore.
2) Create a new partition in whatever empty space you've got, move files
to it from some subdirectory (/usr/local, /usr/X11R6, /home, whatever),
and then mount the new partition at that point on the old.
3) Buy Partition Magic 4.0 (http://www.powerquest.com) and use it to
re-size your existing Linux partition.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
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From: NecX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Where is the config file that sets which librarys at strart up?
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:43:17 -0500
Simple.... Look in the the scripts in the /etc/rc.d directory. (Particularly
rc.M, rc.S, and rc.modules) The command to active the removed packages is
there. Just coment in out and reboot. the error and the process call are gone.
Nectioch
Joe (theWordy) Philbrook wrote:
> I.m running slackware 3.5... A ways back I tried <unsuccesfuly> to install
> slrn, slrnpull and the slang library that slrn's docs said was required...
>
> I couldn't get it running in the time I had for this so I removed the
> packages... I found the packages on the achive disk that came with my
> cheepbytes slack 5 cd set. But I had to rpm2targz and installpkg to put
> them in... to remove them I used removepkg... BUT ever since then I'm
> getting this during the start up...
>
> -snip. . . . . . . . . . .sig
>
> Starting daemons: syslogd klogd portmap inetd lpd mountd nfsd
> /sbin/ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libslang.so.1 (No such file or
> directory), skipping
> Starting sendmail daemon (/usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -os)...
> Running gpm...
>
> -snip. . . . . . . . . . .sig
>
> Would somebody please tell me how to stop my linux from looking for that
> library... Please...
>
> Thanking you in advance
>
> | ~^~ ~^~
> | <?> <?> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
> | ^ J(tWdy)P
> | \___/ <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 24 Feb 1999 09:48:38 -0500
jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 2) When I first read the www.gnu.org site, I read something about how
> the GPL works, and from what it said,....ANY future derived works would
> have to be GPLed, even the autor's own. The actual statement when
> something like "..the author then sacrifices his code, and we copywrite
> it for them to assure that noone can make it non-free"...that is not ok
> with me, I own all rights to my code, it is my desision when, and when
> not to, release it for free.
this is only if you sign your code over to the FSF. you can safely release
your project under GPL, and still retain full ownership to do whatever you
want (sell it, re-release it under different license, etc).
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.1 i586 | at public servers
: 1. What is the possibility of this being added in the future?
In the near future, the probability is close to zero. In the distant
future, I'll be dead, and posterity can do whatever they like... :-) --lwall
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