Linux-Misc Digest #203, Volume #21               Thu, 29 Jul 99 03:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  Re: who makes the best Linux?  Microsoft? (Lindoze 2000)
  Re: What I think of linux. (Daniel Neves Silva)
  Re: Netscape majorly sluggish after browsing for a while ("R.K.Aa")
  is my hardware supported in linux? ("eps")
  Re: GNOME & E (Warren Bell)
  recommend a Tetris? (Ken Arromdee)
  Re: Linux has finally crashed ("David L. Johnson")
  Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Floyd Davidson)
  Re: Gnome doesn't work correctly (Lev Babiev)
  Re: Linux has finally crashed ("David L. Johnson")
  Re: Unresolved symbols in module... ("Alex Abreu")
  Re: can't run x11amp as a user, can as root (Warren Bell)
  Re: latest netscape (Darrick Hartman)
  Brand recommendation? (Collene Pearce)
  Re: downloading linux (Gerald Willmann)
  Re: is my hardware supported in linux? ("Bill Smith")
  Re: ASCII to speech??? (Gary Momarison)
  Re: CIA assassinations ("A.T.Z.")
  ppp probs since kernel upgrade to 2.2.9
  Re: do these CD-Rs work? ("Noah Roberts (jik-)")
  Re: keeping dialup clocks about right? ("Noah Roberts (jik-)")
  Re: downloading linux ("Noah Roberts (jik-)")
  Re: latest netscape (Rado Faletic)
  Assembler for linux on Intel platform. (ryan)
  Re: GNOME & E ("R.K.Aa")

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From: Lindoze 2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: who makes the best Linux?  Microsoft?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:20:44 -0400

billy is afraid of der penguin!

"Heeeeeeeez back!" wrote:
> 
> JY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > who makes the best Linux?  Microsoft?
> 
> Begone troll...
> 
> I banish thee....
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From: Daniel Neves Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 05:47:02 +0100

I agree with what you said.
I've been using it for a few months, and a friend of mine told me it used=
 to be
much harder in the old days, so I guess it's an evolution, in time it wil=
l get
easier and easier to use (I especially like the rpm and deb formats, I us=
e
Debian dist, but with alien I can convert rpm to deb, so the only compili=
ng I
do is for the kernel...)


Daniel

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From: "R.K.Aa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape majorly sluggish after browsing for a while
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:26:46 +0200

Warren Bell wrote:
> 
> Anyone have this problem?  I'm running Redhat 5.2 and after browsing or
> using the system for a while with netscape open the system seems to
> "load up".  When it gets like this, trying to do anything with the
> browser is really slow.  It's like the memory and cpu is maxed out or
> somthing.  If I try to minimize the window it slowly disappears from top
> to bottom, strange.  When I close down netscape it sounds like it's
> dumping out a lot of information, for about 5 seconds.  Then I restart
> it and everythings back to normal.  Any ideas?

You may simply be running out of disk space but there's a few things you
can do:
Go to menu-line "Edit" and choose "properties" - "Advanced" - "Cache".
Check your settings. Setting smaller memory and disk cache might solve
your problem.

Under the same menu you can also solve the problem quick *during* a
session, by flushing memory and disk cache via the buttons there. No
need to close the app down.

Under preferances/Navigator you can control how big the history file
gets by setting number of days till a link expires.

And remember to delete mails from Trash and Sent now and then:
Attachments also are stored there so those mailboxes they can get very
big very quick.

K.

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From: "eps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: is my hardware supported in linux?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 04:48:05 GMT

appreciate any experiences regarding linux and the following hardware:

3dfx Voodoo3

Diamond MX300 soundcard (Vortex2 chipset)

Adaptec 2940 SCSI pci card

Plextor 32x CDROM and  8/20x CDR, both SCSI

Linksys PCI 10mbit ethernet card pci

3com/USR 56K v90 internal modem ISA

Diamond Netcommander ISDN terminal adapter ISA


thanks in advance



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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:31:49 -0700
From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ahn.tech.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: GNOME & E

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Ok, I think I figured it out. Tell me if this works for you.
> >
> > Right click on a minimized window and choose show/hide. Then click on
> > the minimized icon. Now you can minimize it and bring it up with one
> > click.
> >
> 
> Ummmm, yes, that works, but do I really have to use 3 mouse clicks to do
> it?  In Windows (sorry if you hate it) one click on the task bar will
> raise a window to the front.  It seems like such a simple thing.
> Clicking on something in the GNOME task list gives it keyboard focus (I
> can tell by the way the window changes color) but it doesn't raise it.
> Isn't there an easy way?
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

I run gnome/enlight.. and when i click on the windowlist in the gnome
pager it raises the window and focus it with one click.

Check out the options in the enlightenment configuration thing in the
gnome control-center.

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From: Ken Arromdee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: recommend a Tetris?
Date: 29 Jul 1999 04:56:18 GMT

I'd like to find a version of Tetris that:
-- runs under X
-- is color
-- uses a joystick and allows buttons to be used to rotate the pieces in
either direction
-- (preferably) has music and/or sound
After trying 3 or 4 versions and not finding any (xitetris comes close but
only lets you rotate in one direction with a joystick), I was wondering what
people here use.
-- 
       Ken Arromdee / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.rahul.net/arromdee

"I have never seen the inside of the building at Microsoft where the top
executives hang out, but I have this fantasy that in the hallways, at regular
intervals, big red alarm boxes are bolted to the wall. Each contains a large
red button protected by a windowpane. A metal hammer dangles on a chain next
to it. Above is a big sign reading: IN THE EVENT OF A CRASH IN MARKET SHARE,
BREAK GLASS." -- Neal Stephenson

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From: "David L. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux has finally crashed
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:09:41 -0400

"Paul D. Smith" wrote:

> Last I heard work is being done on a journaling filesystem for Linux;
> these are very reliable.  AIX and, I think, HP-UX already have them.
> You might ask around and see what's going on in this area.

My experience with AIX is (fortunately)�behind me, but the filesystem was not
as reliable as linux.  My AIX box would never re-boot after a power failure
(which happens rather frequently at my U), and more than once files were
corrupted.  

-- 

David L. Johnson           [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Department of Mathematics  http://www.lehigh.edu/~dlj0/dlj0.html
Lehigh University, 14 E. Packer Avenue,  Bethlehem, PA 18015-3174      

You will say Christ saith this and the apostles say this; but what canst 
thou say?  -- George Fox.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 29 Jul 1999 05:00:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Holger Kruse  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.sys.amiga.misc Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [...]
>> I'm not familiar with the OS used on an Amiga.  Are these
>> programs written this way because of limited OS functionality
>> (e.g., a single user OS) or what?
>
>I have tried to stay out of the "pppd vs. Miami" discussion so far,
>because it really amounts to comparing apples and oranges. Anyway, I

I believe that is an _extremely_ good point.  And perhaps coming
from you might help to settle some of the more inspired advocates
a little.

[massive snip of very interesting material]

>I don't want to make any claims about one program being "better"
>than another. That depends largely on the intended use.

And it probably goes without say to most, but needs to be
repeated anyway, that there is generally a significant
difference between the intended purpose for Amiga users and the
target Linux is aimed at.  There is some overlap, but that
difference is the reason "pppd vs. Miami" is apples and
oranges, and _should_ be.

>All I can say is that Miami Deluxe is technically extremely advanced, 
>one of the most advanced stacks I have seen (and I have seen quite
>a few, having done Unix system administrations and development for
>many years), plus it attempts to make the functionality available
>in a way that is easy to use for users without a lot of background
>in TCP/IP. This may not appeal much to Linux users, but Amiga
>users seem to appreciate it a lot.

  "Amiga users seem to appreciate it a lot."

I think you should be commended for that last phrase, Amiga
users were your target, and if *they* found it useful, it makes
no difference what us Linux people need.

Thanks for the rundown, it was informative and very interesting.

  Floyd

-- 
Floyd L. Davidson                          [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)


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From: Lev Babiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Gnome doesn't work correctly
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:22:48 -0400


You are running gnome, but you aren't running any window manager.
GNOME doesn't include one (at least the ver that came w/ RH 5.1).
in your .Xclients you should have something like:

fvwm &
gnome-session

Also, you really should get a newer version of gnome, RH 5.1 comes
with 0.20 I think and thats VERY old. GNOME has come a long way 
since then.

    - Lev

> 
>   I have just installed RedHat 5.1 and GNOME that
>   comes with the CD. I have also added "exec gnome-session"
>   to the end of the .Xclients file.
> 
>   I was able to start gnome, however, the windows
>   don't have any frames, scroll bars and title
>   bars, and they seem to overlap on the top-left
>   part of the screen.
> 
>   Is there anything else that I should do to make it
>   work ?
> 
>   Thanks
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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From: "David L. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Linux has finally crashed
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:06:13 -0400

Randall Parker wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> says...
> > Well, your "UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY" message
> > is a direct result of your hitting the reset button. Linux didn't
> > get the chance to ensure that it's disk buffers were flushed (a controlled
> > shutdown does this), so some critical data wasn't written to the disk when
> > you rebooted.
> 
> Since this can happen due to so many reasons (power outage, power supply
> failure, accidentally bumping the reset button, an OS crash, etc) is
> there any way to avoid this?
> 
> I gotta tell you, there are non-Unix operating systems that can have
> power removed from them without warning that will _rarely_ corrupt the
> file system as a result.

I've had, for one reason or another, power interruptions (and the occasional
unresponsive system (netscape again)) from time to time.  Only twice has it
resulted in this message, and both times fsck has managed to repair the
damage.  This is since I�started using linus, in 1991.  Few other operating
systems can beat that kind of record.  My wife's machine, with Win95, has had
to have its system re-installed 4 times due to multiple file corruptions.

Usually, if the system is not properly shut down, it will run fsck on boot-up
and all is well.  Any modern machine will utilize caching of writes to disk,
and if power is cut off while important information has not been written, that
data is lost.  This is not linux-specific.  
> 
> Can one run a different file system with Linux on some disk volumes that
> would be less susceptible to this sort of thing? I'd like to be assured
> that, say, a database or its transaction log would always survive an OS
> crash.

Decreasing the time interval between runs of update will provide the best
assurance.  update flushes disk cashe.
> 
> From what I've read here and elsewhere Linux and Unix are far more
> susceptible to irreparable disk corruption on OS crash than OS/2, NT,
> Win9x, MacOS, and other OSs.

BS
> 
> Is there some way to avoid this? I know a guy who runs the computers at
> an ISP. Recently (about a month ago) a defective UPS didn't protect 4
> Linux computers (all with the latest patches) during a power outage. None
> of them rebooted when power came back on. 3 had to be restored from tape.
> That is a terrible record.

Perhaps something else happened there.  This is not typical, if the story is
true.
> 
> My experience with OS/2 is that it would run CHKDSK on the reboot and
> then boot up just fine. I never had the need to boot from a floppy in
> order to run some utility from the floppy. Most of the disk partitions
> would be repairable during regular reboot.

Same with linux.

> I don't want to install Linux at some site and then get a call to drive
> 100 miles in the middle of the night because it couldn't reboot after a
> power outage. Any way to decrease the likelihood of having to do this
> sort of thing after a crash and reboot?

So, run NT and see how it fares.  Your choice.  Myself, I'd bet on linux.

You know, the original poster freaked at a totally benign situation.  His
system was in all liklihood not seriously damaged.  The boot process dumps you
into a request to run fsck manually simply because you need to make the
determination of what to do if there are corrupted files.  
The liklihood is that only whatever data file that was open during the crash,
or perhaps even an autosave file or a log file, is corrupted.  Maybe some work
is lost, but not the system.

-- 

David L. Johnson           [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Department of Mathematics  http://www.lehigh.edu/~dlj0/dlj0.html
Lehigh University, 14 E. Packer Avenue,  Bethlehem, PA 18015-3174      

You will say Christ saith this and the apostles say this; but what canst 
thou say?  -- George Fox.

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From: "Alex Abreu" <simonet@(spam? no thanx)bhnet.com.br>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Unresolved symbols in module...
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:31:54 -0500

>depmod -a >>delfiles

That didn't work. delfiles was always an empty file. I also tried using >,
>>, tee, etc.

However deleting all the files reported by depmod manually solved the
problem. This however, leaves another question:

One of the make comands I issued right before issuing "make modules" was
supposed to get rid of the old modules, wasn't it? Why weren't the old
modules deleted? Any clue?

Will I have to manually deleted all unused modules everytime I build a new
kernel?

Thanks

Alex



Allen Ashley wrote in message <7nniof$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>"Alex Abreu" <simonet@(spam? no thanx)bhnet.com.br> writes:
>
>>How can I solve the "Unresolved symbols ...." problem?
>
>Delete all the modules that are giving you error messages,
>you don't need them with the kernel you compiled. You
>can do:
>then edit delfiles to change the lines to a series of rm statements,
>then execute the file to delete all the unused modules.
>
>



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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:27:43 -0700
From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't run x11amp as a user, can as root

Gergo Barany wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, William B. Cattell wrote:
> >I've seen this issue addressed a bunch of times and now that
> >it's hitting me I can't find the answer (yes, I searched
> >DejaNews).  When I log in as myself I cannot execute
> >/usr/bin/X11/x11amp.  If I su to root I can but
> >unfortunatley I'm having a brain freeze and can't find the
> >answer.  "Help!" (he typed sheepishly).
> 
> Look at the permissions (ls -l). Then change them with chmod if
> necessary.
> 
> Gergo
> 
> --
> Every young man should have a hobby: learning how to handle money is
> the best one.
>                 -- Jack Hurley
> 
> GU d- s:+ a--- C++>$ UL+++ P>++ L+++ E>++ W+ N++ o? K- w--- !O !M !V
> PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP+ t* 5+ X- R>+ tv++ b+>+++ DI+ D+ G>++ e* h! !r !y+

I had the same problem.  I changed the permissions of /dev/hdb to
rw-rw-r

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From: Darrick Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: latest netscape
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:28:49 -0500

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I am using RH 5.2 with the correct font path and get the same problem.
Anyone finds a fix, I'd appreciate the input.

Thanks

Darrick

Dave Erickson wrote:

> Joe wrote:
> >
> > It's probably easiest to go to one of the updates pages from
> > www.redhat.com/mirrors.html and download the rpm files.
> >
>
> And, as for the Java crashes it is caused by a problem with the font
> path in Red Hat 6.0 and not Netscape.
> I don't use 6.0, can someone give that info again?
>
> --
> Dave Erickson
> Remove 'xxx' fromm address to reply
> http://linux.com   http://linux.org

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collene Pearce)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Brand recommendation?
Date: 29 Jul 1999 05:39:01 GMT

I'm going to upgrade my old machine and put 
Linux on it.  Now, the question is -- do I have 
to be careful about the processor I choose? What 
about other hardware?

Also, can any one recommend their favorite "brand"
of linux?  Is one better than another and if so,
why?

:-)
acp
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: downloading linux
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:47:20 -0700

> John O'Day wrote:
> > 
> > I am very new to linux and I went to the red hat ftp site. I don't which
> > files to download at the site. Can someone point me in the right direction.

if you have a ethernet connection try a ftp install - ie download the boot
floppy and choose ftp install.

otherwise consider using Debian - you can download their base system onto
a dozen (or so) floppies.
                                       
                                   Gerald 

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From: "Bill Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: is my hardware supported in linux?
Date: 29 Jul 1999 00:36:10 -0500

Try   http://www.metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/docs/HARDWARE.

This will at least tell you if your hardware is supported.

Bill

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eps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:92Rn3.549$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> appreciate any experiences regarding linux and the following hardware:
>
> 3dfx Voodoo3
>
> Diamond MX300 soundcard (Vortex2 chipset)
>
> Adaptec 2940 SCSI pci card
>
> Plextor 32x CDROM and  8/20x CDR, both SCSI
>
> Linksys PCI 10mbit ethernet card pci
>
> 3com/USR 56K v90 internal modem ISA
>
> Diamond Netcommander ISDN terminal adapter ISA
>
>
> thanks in advance
>
>



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: ASCII to speech???
From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 Jul 1999 10:20:00 -0700

Try http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival.html

It's a large download and took a very long time to compile but was quite
easy to get running, except that I needed to make a link so that 
"festival/bin/audsp -> ../lib/etc/ix86_RedHatLinux5.2/audsp"
to get "festival --tts /tmp/somefile" and interactive command
"(intro)" to work. I used the default config files "as-is".

-- 
Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html

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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:50:16 +0200

Michel Catudal schreef:

> Matthias Warkus wrote:
> >
> > It was the 27 Jul 1999 20:07:14 -0500...
> > ..and Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "A.T.Z." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Within a year of 40/50 the US will be under EU supervision (like it was
> > > > before), because EU market and the Euro is much bigger and stronger then
> > > > the US market and the US $.
> > >
> > > A bit dreamer are you?
> > > Nothing better than real money, the US dollar.
> >
> > Remind me that I wave a wad of Euro cash in front of you when I next
> > come to the U.S.
> >
> I have little confidence in the Euro considering the recent problem
> with it. I rather trust the French Francs and the German Marks
> for now when I get European currencies.

The Euro has to proof itself. Personally I wouldn't trust the French Francs to
much, the French Government has to economical problems. Although this goes for the
Mark too, I'd rather trust this currency. And yes, the Dutch Guilder is also very
stable.

>
>
> --
> use OS/2 for a crash proof work environment
> use Linux for safe and quick internet access
> use Winblows to test the latest viruses
> http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
> We have software, food, music, news, search,
> history, electronics and genealogy pages.





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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,redhat.networking.general
Subject: ppp probs since kernel upgrade to 2.2.9
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:31:20 GMT

Hi

Sorry If people have read this on another list but I am really
habing problems.

 For the last few weeks I have had some problems getting linux on
 the net.  It all began when I went to the Redhat site and
 downloaded the latest updates for 5.2.  The short story is I
lost
 all my modules and things stopped working.

 My solution after much messing about I decided to recompile the
 kernell with the CDrom and internet in the kernell rather than
 modules and then with access to the redhat cd i was sure all
 would be well.

 Anyway  since  I was recompiling I figured I may as well compile
 for 686 with kernell 2.2.9 while I was at it.  I have got the
 modules mainly fixed I think but the upgraded pppd 2.3.7 still
 does not work i was getting error messages concerning missing
 compression modules so with info found on various net sites i
 added the following to conf.modules.

 alias ppp compress-21 bsd_comp
               "                   -26 ppp_deflate
               "                   -24 ppp_active
               "                   -1 bsd_comp
 alias ppp0 bsd_comp

 I am still getting the following in /var/log/messages

 no module symbols loaded
 cannot locatte module char-major-14
      "                nls_iso8859-1
Sysquery Sendto ([128.9.0.107].53) network is unreachable

I also get messages regarding not finding mondules a long list of
 modules in the format lo:49 etc.  this only scrolls past during
 boot and is not in var/messages.  I believe these are likely
 connected to linuxconf as this program will not find its
modules.

 When I launch KPPP to log onto the net it says it connects but i
 can access neither email or the web.

 In hindsight if I hadnt been so adventurous none of this would
 have happenned.  But the the reason I got Linux to begin with is
 that I like to experiment.  Its certainly been a learning
 experience :).

 Any help would be much appreciated. I am very new to linux and if i can 
provide more info by looking in other logs or scripts I would appreciate 
any advice on this. 

 Regards

 Mark



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Subject: Re: do these CD-Rs work?
From: "Noah Roberts (jik-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 Jul 1999 22:35:35 -0700

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> miiHKali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> : I'm about to buy a CD-R drive, but I'm unsure which one. Does Linux support
> : Mitsumi CR 4802 TE or HP 8100i? 
> : thanks
 
> "Cdrdao" works better, but sometimes stops while trying to
> read the TOC of an audio cd. Sometimes I have to retry a few
> times till it succedes.

I get that with the HP 7200 also.  If you eject the CD while it is trying to read it 
(after it freezes) then it will write a useable TOC file.  Aborting with ^C does not 
work though.

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Subject: Re: keeping dialup clocks about right?
From: "Noah Roberts (jik-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 Jul 1999 22:38:16 -0700

Andrew J Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> There seems to be a host of separate utilities to help keep an i386
> Linux system at the right time.

netdate host
clock -s

that works fine for me, but then I don't need absolute time for
anything, simply setting via atomic clock once in a while does me fine.

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Subject: Re: downloading linux
From: "Noah Roberts (jik-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 Jul 1999 22:43:28 -0700

"John  O'Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am very new to linux and I went to the red hat ftp site. I don't which
> files to download at the site. Can someone point me in the right direction.

RedHat takes more then 2 days of constant downloading, there is no
rhyme or reason to what you need to download, and even after days of
research I still ended up with an uninstallable setup when I tried to
grab what I *wanted*.

There are distributions which are split into more reasonable
catagories so that one can download a certain group of related files
and leave out the stuff they don't need.  SuSE and Slackware are the
only ones that I am currently aware of that do this.  You grab
subdirectories, ie net, devel, X, TeX, kernel...etc...and can leave
out stuff like TeX which you don't necissarily need.

If you want RedHat and insist on downoading it, you need the base, and 
the *entire* RPMs directory, and mybe one more subdirectory..its been
a while....have fun :P

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:54:44 +1000
From: Rado Faletic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: latest netscape


> Anyone finds a fix, I'd appreciate the input.

yeah, IE5 on Windows... (joke).

Actually, I've never had a problem with IE5 on Win98, it's a far cry
from it crash-prone predecessors (IE3 and IE4). If only MS would release
it for some of the real OS's out there.

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From: ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Assembler for linux on Intel platform.
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:36:26 -0400

I am looking for an assembler for linux.  I need a linux executible of
an .asm file that was written for Borland Turbo Assembler (tasm32) for
the Win NT platform.  Is this possible?

Sincerely,
Ryan T. Rhea
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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From: "R.K.Aa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ahn.tech.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: GNOME & E
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:13:16 +0200

Hmm exactly which option sends the selected window from the Gnome pager
to foreground? I tested every option i found in enlightenment
configuration but none seems to trigger that behaviour.

K. 

Cameron McElhinny wrote:
> 
> Are you using Enlightenment?  If so, try looking in the Enlightenment
> Configuration manager, e-conf.  In the Behaviour section, you can set
> how you want focus to work.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, I think I figured it out. Tell me if this works for you.
> > >
> > > Right click on a minimized window and choose show/hide. Then click on
> > > the minimized icon. Now you can minimize it and bring it up with one
> > > click.
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