Linux-Misc Digest #203, Volume #19 Sat, 27 Feb 99 07:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux and Solaris CDE (gatessux)
Re: disk otpimization & defragmentat? (Patrick Lanphier)
Re: mouse problem (brucekey)
Iomega Zip and imm module with kernel 2.2.1 (Anatol Quabach)
Re: nfs problem (James Lewis)
Re: Modems :( Suggestions? (Bill Unruh)
Help with Intel 740 Graphics Chipset? (Richard Latter)
RE: Dual Pentium II 300MMX Processor swap? (Patrick Lanphier)
Re: interested in linux... (Louis LeBlanc)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Francois-Rene Rideau)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Francois-Rene Rideau)
Re: Downloading at half the speed under Linux vs NT (fred smith)
Re: Mounting a MS-DOS partition (Nicolassal)
Re: More bad news for NT (Gregory Propf)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Joel Garry)
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From: gatessux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and Solaris CDE
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:08:57 GMT
If your just trying to bring up stuff in X, then you would do the
following
on Linux
- xhost + < IP of Sparc>
- telnet <IP of Sparc>
on Sparc
- setenv DISPLAY <IP of Linux>:0
- run the app of your choice
I hope this helps!
Jesus Borruel wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a i586 running Linux, and just at my side there is a new Sun
> Solaris Ultra 10 which seems pretty nice.
>
> I was just wondering if I can open a session of the SUN workstation in
> my Linux machine as if I was on the same CDE environment... Can anyone
> give any help on the subject?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jesus Borruel
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From: Patrick Lanphier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: disk otpimization & defragmentat?
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:18:44 +0000
Not really need but there is. It's still in it beta stages so be ware.
Patrick Lanphier
Advanced Information Technologies
The Pennsylvania State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:20:44 +0100, Stefano Piccarolo
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Is there any utility to optimize disk access speed by defragmenting the
> >files?
>
> yes but why? files generally don't fragment in linux like in dos/win
> except for logs and such and it really doesn't effect performance.
>
> >
> >OS used:
> >Linux RedHat
> >Two HD drives each with its own OS, interchangeable
> >
> >Thank you in advance
> >Stefano
> >EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
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From: brucekey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mouse problem
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:14:59 -0800
Jatin Kamat wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I have installed redhat5.2 on my home pc. I have a mitsumi scroll mouse
> PS/2. In my mouseconfig setup, this mouse is not listed. So, I have
> selected "generic 3 button mouse" and checked "emulate 3 buttons". It
> works, but has one problem. I cannot use my mouse to paste text. I have
> tried all the feasible options for pasting -> clicking the scroll,
> clicking the right button and clicking the left & right simultaneously.
> Just doesn't work.....
> (As crazy as it may sound, I have also tried selecting all the other
> mouse options under mouseconfig, just in case....)
> For now, I'm using shift+insert to paste text. But its a pain.
>
> another problem:
> I cannot use shift + insert to paste text from any of the xterm windows
> to netscape window (for eg: email composer). This is a major pain.
>
> any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Jatin
Have you tried configuring your mouse as a "PS/2" aka "auxiliary
device"?
I mark and paste with my mouse (logitech busmouse) marking with the left
button, and pasting with the middle button. I also just tried the rodent
on my server (two button PS/2 type w/no emulation) on it I have to press
both buttons simultaneously to paste. I am assuming that you have gpm
running.....
Hope this helps....
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From: Anatol Quabach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Iomega Zip and imm module with kernel 2.2.1
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:53:22 +0100
I'm having trouble getting the imm module for the iomega zip
drive to work. A "modprobe imm" gives me a device or
ressource busy error msg. If I try a "modprobe ppa" right
afterwards, the ppa module is loaded and I can mount the zip
disk. I'd prefer using the faster imm module, though.
The scsi drivers a copiled into the kernel. Any ideas? TIA.
--
Anatol Quabach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: James Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: nfs problem
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:58:33 -0500
Peter Earle wrote:
> I am having a problem with nfs. Everything seems configurerd fine.
> rpc.nfsd and rpc.mountd are running, and are loading after portmapper. I
> have the line in hosts.allow "nfs: ALL". Yet everytime I try to mount an
> nfs directory I get the message 'mount: whatever_directory failed, reason
> given by server: Permission denied'
> This happens even if I'm running as root as try to mount something on
> localhost.
> One anomaly is that "cat /proc/filesystems" isn't listing "nodev nfs".
> Nfs is in the /etc/services file and the Run Level manager says that it
> can start it without a problem.
> Would appreciate any assistance. Thanks
> Peter Earle
> .
what does your /etc/exports file look like?
Maybe you don't have the file structure correct.
-James
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Modems :( Suggestions?
Date: 26 Feb 1999 03:17:39 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I'm sure this has been covered before but I've looked around and found
>out what is NOT compatible with linux. But what i'm asking is.... Are
>there any suggestions as to what kind of INTERNAL modem to purchase? IE.
>Manufacturer, Model, etc. That would work well under linux? Any
>suggestions would help.
Well, multitech makes PCI modems which are real modems, not controllerless
ones. HOwever where to find them and the price is difficult. I know in the past
(eg Sam Leffler's Modem shootout with hylafax) Multitech modems have had a good
reputation. Note they also make PCI winmodems, so make sure you get the right
one.
However why not get an external? You can unplug it if it gets itself into a
weird state, you can watch its lights to debug stuff. And you are guarenteed a
non-win modem.
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From: Richard Latter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help with Intel 740 Graphics Chipset?
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:49:33 +0000
All,
Does anyone know how to get an Intel 740 Graphics card to work with
Linux X11 or does anyone have any drivers for it.
Cheers
--
/trickie
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From: Patrick Lanphier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: RE: Dual Pentium II 300MMX Processor swap?
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:35:17 +0000
The way to check for what type of CPU you have just run this command:
cat cpuinfo
One of you should be able to help.
Sorry mine's a model 3 step 4.
Patrick Lanphier
Advanced Information Technologies
The Pennsylvania State University
Richard Rognlie wrote:
>
> I ordered and installed a pair of Pentium II 300MMX processors back in
> September. However, at the time I ordered them, I apparently did not
> *specify* that I wanted a matched pair. As such, I got a
>
> CPU 1: Pentium II 300Mhz MMX Model 3 Step 3
> CPU 2: Pentium II 300Mhz MMX Model 5 Step 2
>
> My system (Linux 2.2.1) works fine unless I go in SMP mode. In that
> case, it works for a while (18 hours or so) and then locks up tight. At
> first, I thought it was something in the Linux kernel, but recently I've
> been informed that it is probably an incompatibility between the CPUs
> themselves.
>
> I've attempted to contact my vendor, but they are unable to assist since
> they no longer stock any Pentium II 300 MMX CPUs.
>
> Does Intel offer any form of a CPU swap service?
>
> Does anyone out there have a Pentium II 300 MMX Model 5 Step 2 they'd
> be willing to swap for a Pentium II 300 MMX Model 3 Step 3? Or vice
> verse?
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Rognlie
> Gamerz.NET Enterprises
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Louis LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: interested in linux...
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:03:54 +0000
Very interesting handle you've chosen...
You obviously have not yet caught the 'Linux Bug', Paul. I have only
been playing with it for 6 months or so, and I now maintain a couple
Windoze machines for my wife's benefit (mostly - I still have some need
for NT, although that is at the top of my 'things to procrastinate'
list). The best way to answer your question is this: You have to
decide what you want from the part of your life spent in front of your
monitor. Linux is still largely a 'geek system'. No doubt you have
noticed the proliferation of the 'HOW-to' documents. Linux is mostly a
development project being carried on by programmers around the world
that do what they do for the pride of their accomplishments (and, if
they are smart, the extra bullet on their resume). Don't take this to
mean that you have to be a programmer to appreciate Linux. I am a
Software Engineer, but I have yet to write anything more that scripts
and html code on my machines at home. I caught the bug about a year
ago, when I had a single 486 DX33 (hey, I was just out of college!).
Now, I have a Sun Microsystems Sparcstation 2 running Linux, a P200
(also Running Linux - acting as my proxy web server to a cable modem
internet connection) and a 486 DX4/100 with W95 (for the wife!) and a
P100 with NT (this is a very neglected machine! I will probably convert
it to Linux in the next year - just another rod in the fire) All
machines are internet capable (through a hub connected to the server),
and I am running Samba on both linux machines so that I can waste
minimal disk space on the Windoze machines - network disk space. I am
also running Apache, and working on a secure web server - for family
stuff - no need to give some wierdo out there a name to put with a
little girls face. And I am running an anonymous FTP server - though I
haven't placed anything on it just yet - nor am I allowing uploads -
another rod in the fire. I have a good firewall - Thanks RLZ
(http://rlz.ne.mediaone.net). I have a network printer setup with an HP
JetDirect printserver. Yada Yada Yada. I haven't been able to cite my
'to do' list off the top of my head since I learned about Linux. Anyway
you probably get the idea. Linux is something that keeps you up at
night when you 'just almost have it solved'. Another thing that might
give you a pretty good insight is the following:
A rather lucid comparison of some common operating systems - Author
unknown:
UNIX Airways
Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the
airport. They
all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece,
arguing
non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building.
Air DOS
Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides; then they jump on and let
the
plane coast until it hits the ground again. They then push again, jump
on again,
and so on...
Mac Airlines
All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look and
act
exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are
gently but
firmly told that you don't need to know, don't want to know, and
everything will
be done for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up.
Windows Air
The airport terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards,
easy
baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10
minutes in the
air the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever.
Windows NT Air
Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes, and
takes out
all the other aircraft within a 40 mile radius when it explodes.
Linux Air
Employees of all the other OS airlines decide to run their own airline.
They
build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They
charge
a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but, you can also
download
and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane you are given a
seat,
four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled,
the fully
adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on
time
without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful.
You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip,
but all
they can say is "You had to do what with the seat?"
"Linux is a Wonderful Adventure"
Louis LeBlanc
Paul Erdos wrote:
>
> i first heard of linux about a year ago, and it sounded interesting so i
> decided to give it a try. i bought the "linux for dummies" book (since i didn't
> know anything about linux, i figured that was the right book for me), which
> included a cd in the back with redhat 5.0. i got it installed on my computer
> no problem, as a dual-boot between linux and win95. this is probably due to my
> lack of knowledge about linux, but it is not clear to me why linux is
> preferable to windows. as a high school senior whose primary use of the
> computer is: writing papers (ms word), programming (ms visual c++), and going
> online (aol), i didn't know how to do these same things in linux. is linux
> right for me, or is windows preferable for doing those limited tasks?
>
> please don't misunderstand the intent of this message. it comes from a genuine
> interest in linux, and how it might be useful in my use of the computer.
> because i am completely ignorant of what linux can and cannot do, i am asking
> all of you out there.
>
> if you could email me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, that would be appreciated since i
> do not check this newsgroup on a regular basis.
>
> thanx in advance for your response,
> jerry
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From: Francois-Rene Rideau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: 27 Feb 1999 12:51:57 +0100
Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There can also be benefits in reliability and security [in a �K].
> In a macrokernel,
> the potential interactions between kernel modules are almost unlimited,
> making it very difficult to verify these attributes. A microkernel
> typically provides a limited messaging interface between the higher layer
> modules, and each module can be debugged independently.
That's the typical fascist approach to programming:
when a wrong is possible, build a barrier to FORBID the wrong,
making things even more difficult without solving any real problem,
by forcing you to explicitly enforce your implicit assumptions.
The libertarian approach is to ENABLE the good, and make it easy:
have a high-level language and a type-system that ALLOW you to
explicitly express your constraints and implicitly enforce them.
These are OPPOSITE approaches to programming, and to life.
If you want to program in a concurrent object model,
don't hand-emulate clumsily with explicit C code that polls and forks:
use a concurrent programming language, with an efficient compiler:
JOCAML, CML, Kali Scheme, among many others, come to mind.
> [a �K] does add complexity
Yes, and that's all it does.
Spell it after me: ABSTRACTION INVERSION.
http://www.tunes.org/papers/Glossary/index.html#abstraction_inversion
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From: Francois-Rene Rideau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: 27 Feb 1999 12:39:26 +0100
Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Third, that microkernels are "better", or that they're "worse".
> They're just different is all.
Why *just* different? There is no such thing as "just different" anyway.
I have given good evidence that they are intrinsically EVIL.
Have you countered *any* of my arguments?
http://www.tunes.org/papers/Glossary/index.html#microkernel
>> For a good reason: the whole idea of a microkernel is EVIL, and its *only*
>> possible valid justification is in proprietary black-box kernel components.
>> Microkernels are an ABSTRACTION INVERSION between a high-level concurrent
>> agent programming model and a low-level resource management implementation.
>> They introduce overhead without simplifying any functionality:
>
> OK, you've fallen prey to my third point about confusion. You don't
> justify this position, you're just stating it as opinion.
No. YOU don't justify your position, and YOU are just stating an opinion.
I've stated my position with a sketch of justification,
and given a URL with one hundred lines of relevant arguments.
Do you understand the concept of abstraction inversion at all?
http://www.tunes.org/papers/Glossary/index.html#abstraction_inversion
> The important thing that microkernels do is provide a flexible OS
> structure.
No, they don't. They introduce overhead, that's what they do.
You can achieve the same flexibility without a microkernel (see Linux),
and the Real Thing (TM) for having flexibility is a high-level
compiled concurrent programming language, not a hand-emulation of it.
> Ie, let's say that the generic VM handler will not do what someone
> need to do in their applications, which are all garbage collected with
> shared memory. So they can replace the global VM handler, or use a
> private VM handler when developping.
That's fallacious! You can do as much without a non-microkernel.
The problem, with or without a �K, is that components need agree
on the same underlying architecture. A �K doesn't help at all for that,
it just gets in the way.
> For these reasons, microkernels
> are more popular in embedded systems and real time camps, where such
> OS customization is most common.
No, they are popular there because they allow for proprietary
third party black box binary modules.
When people have access to the source,
they don't choose such a stupid architecture.
> But the key distinction, again, of microkernels is the philosophy of
> their design - small and simple executive, with services layered on
> top.
Every part of a �K-based design is simple, sure,
because you've butchered the system into small parts!
Now, if you consider same-functionality systems,
the only thing �K does is introduce stupid low-level barriers between services.
The services are still there, and their intrinsic complexity isn't reduced:
for every small part of the �K-based system,
you could find a corresponding, smaller part, in the non-�K system,
the one that implements the same functionality
without having to marshall data to cross barriers.
The �K design only introduced increased complexity at the server barriers!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
Subject: Re: Downloading at half the speed under Linux vs NT
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 00:24:40 GMT
Mike ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Hi all,
: I have a USRobotics internal 56k v.90 modem that works just fine under
: Linux except that I seem to consistently get about half the download
: speed or less than I do under NT, plus it stalls up to 3-4 times a
: minute sometimes. Where should I start to look for things to tweak to
: try and get it up there? I have seen a serial port HOW-TO is there a
: modem HOW-TO? Also seems to happen most under Netscape, I think I'm
: running 4.08. Could that be the problem? I hate to keep having to
: reboot into NT to go download stuff that I need for Linux.
: Thanks for your help!
: mike
What IRQ is the modem using? If it is not 3 or 4 (com 2 or 1) then you
may need to get irqtune. The modem needs high priority interrupt service,
and if not on 3 or 4 it won't get it causing lots of lost interrupts and
resulting in slow throughput.
http://www.best.com/~cae/irqtune/irqtune.tgz
Fred
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---- Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----------------------------
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of
heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
============================== Matthew 7:21 (niv) =============================
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From: Nicolassal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mounting a MS-DOS partition
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 03:32:18 -0800
Jet wrote:
> Nicolassal wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I would like to apologize for my ignorance, however, I am having trouble
> > mounting a MS-DOS partition. My hard drive is mounted under /dev/hda,
> > however, I've tried to mount the MS-DOS partition as follows:
> >
> > mount /dev/hda6 /temp -t msdos
> >
> > I've also tried
> >
> > mount /dev/hda6 /temp -t umsdos
> >
> > Oh... By the way, I am using windows 98, with my MS-DOS all FAT32. Is
> > there something I can do to mount the partition? Any help would be
> > greatly appreciated.
>
> I'm just a newbie, so take that into consideration:
>
> I mount my Win98 partition like this:
>
> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /win98
>
> J
> --
> The human brain is the most incredible structure in the universe.
> Yeah, but look what came to that conclusion.
> email me at jetgal at earthlink dot net
My kernel doesn't recognize the vfat filesystem. Is this something included
in more recent kernels? Sorry for my absolute ignorance (I'm trying). How
can I reconfigure so that I can read the vfat filesystem?
Thank you once again,
Nick
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From: Gregory Propf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:45:29 GMT
Harry wrote:
>
> I thought this was about NT, not Windows 98?
>.
>
> NT's performance is excellent. Given the overhead of running a
> complex user interface, and the overhead of COM, there are
> circumstances in which it is outrun by its slimmer rivals. Why
> should this surprise anybody? NT has its place just as Linux does.
> Would you put your end-users on Linux?
>
> Harry
Nt's performance is garbage. I have used both Linux and NT and there is
no comparison. Linux vs. NT is Evander Hollyfield vs. your
grandmother. As for the "overhead of running a complex user interface,
and the overhead of COM" it's funny than Linux can duplicate the
functionality of both of these in far less memory and with greater
stability. NT certainly has a place - on the same proprietary garbage
heap that VMS now (thankfully) rests in pieces on.
--
"I wanted plutonium, not Beanie Babies..."
- Sadaam Hussein, in a letter to Santa Claus.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel Garry)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:13:46 GMT
On 26 Feb 1999 07:20:08 -0800, Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>A $100-$150K house in Indy is $500K+ in reasonable places in
>>the Bay area. My co-workers when I was based in Indy, often
>>lived in $400K houses, many had airplanes, and one had his OWN
>>airfield (sometimes waking up to surpise landings :-)), so I
>>wonder if that is even possible in the Bay area for an
>>engineer (who wasn't able to cash in options, etc)?
>
>For the price of an OK house in, say, Cupertino, one could get a really
>big house in the central valley, say in the Merced area, a lot more land,
>a new Mooney airplane (better than a Cessna, and faster), and an extra
>car to keep in Silicon Valley. Merced is where the next UC campus is
>being built, and so housing prices may go up, so a house there might
>be a good investment.
This was basically my reasoning 12 years ago when I moved to the San Diego
area. It worked, except one winds up being a migratory worker far too often.
Not good for families and relationships when that happens.
>
>If I were starting a company, I'd seriously consider someplace like the
>central valley, just because of housing costs. I'd point out to potential
Many managers feel the need to have a large pool of workers available.
Eventually they wind up in control and move the company. See Gateway.
>employees that with the money they save on housing, they can easily afford
>to drive up to San Francisco on weekends and stay in a nice hotel and eat
>at nice restaurants, so it doesn't matter that they are living in a vast
>cultural and entertainment wasteland during the week--they can get that
>in San Francisco, and Silicon Valley is only a couple of hours away when
>they feel the need to get in touch with their nerd roots. And with that
>new UC campus coming, the central valley might become an interesting place
>itself.
>
>--Tim Smith
<sarcasm> You can get a great deal in beautiful Lancaster </sarcasm>
jg
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