Linux-Misc Digest #205, Volume #21 Thu, 29 Jul 99 06:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux has finally crashed (Paul D. Smith)
Bootdisk and FBDev ("Maria")
Re: Linux has finally crashed (Mads Dydensborg)
modem not responding (Ben Cecil)
helping the Third World (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Scripting Question (J Rappe)
IBM Netfinity 5500 and Caldera 2.2 Problems (Robert C Flisik)
Re: Did SUSE 6.1 egcs lose C++??? (Graham Ashton)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Assembler for linux on Intel platform. (Coy A Hile)
Wordperfect; danish support?? (Torben Hoffmann)
guaranteed annual income (Richard Kulisz)
Re: URGENT: How to download Red Hat 6??? (SmokeSerpent)
Re: Starting GUI login Q (J Rappe)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Unresolved symbols in module... (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Re: Linux has finally crashed (Craig Graham)
Re: How can I resize my Linux-partition? (Tony Christian Soderudd)
Re: man pages for C++ classes and STL (Roman Fietze)
Re: still having mouse prob (Philip V Pham)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul D. Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux has finally crashed
Date: 29 Jul 1999 02:25:28 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
%% "David L. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
dlj> "Paul D. Smith" wrote:
>> Last I heard work is being done on a journaling filesystem for
>> Linux; these are very reliable. AIX and, I think, HP-UX already
>> have them. You might ask around and see what's going on in this
>> area.
dlj> My experience with AIX is (fortunately)�behind me, but the
dlj> filesystem was not as reliable as linux. My AIX box would never
dlj> re-boot after a power failure (which happens rather frequently at
dlj> my U), and more than once files were corrupted.
I definitely agree with your assessment of AIX in general: I too would
die happy never having to touch another AIX box. Although my experience
was on 3.2, 3.x: rumor has it 4.3 etc. is much improved *shrug*.
And I can't say much about the reliability as we had UPS, etc. and
didn't have that situation.
But I have heard from others that AIX's jfs is a pretty high-quality
implementation: it's definitely one of their selling points. I guess,
as always, YMMV.
--
===============================================================================
Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Network Management Development
"Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
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These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.
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From: "Maria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Bootdisk and FBDev
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:55:57 +0200
Dear friends,
Being an owner of ATI Rage 128 I had to configure RedHat 6.0 with the FBDev.
It works fine for me and all is OK. My problem is how to make a proper
startup (boot) floppy disk for such a configuration. This one that was
prepared during the instalation (or afterwards using 'makebootdisk' command)
lets me into Linux (console) but with no FBDev I can not start X. Also using
this disk I have "normal" resolution, not 1024. What have I to do? What
changes on startup disk to make it boot Linux with FBDev? Will you help me?
Thank you very much in advance
Maria
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From: Mads Dydensborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux has finally crashed
Date: 29 Jul 1999 09:40:23 +0200
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Do you have any clue as to what the problem might be or even how to fix
> > it/get around it??? I'm afraid I might have to re-format!!
> >
>
> The only time I ever see this is a due to a flakey X server and using
> Netscape. It has happened to me four times in three years.
Ah, but there is a sligth difference here: A X/netscape crash (never
happened to me personally, but I did have an X/StarOffice crash and
have talked to other about the X/Netscape crash) can be resolved by
remotely logging in to the system and killing netscape - sometimes it
may be neccesary to restart the X server. For some reason X is able to
"lock the console" in this particular situation.
The poster's system does not respond to a remote login. He did not
mention if it does not respond to a ping. I have seen systems that
would not respond to remote logins. And, I have seen systems that
would neither respond to remote logins nor pings.
In the first case, you may be in a situation where the kernel runs
inetd, but inetd is not able to run e.g. telnetd. This could very well
be because the disk is not accesible. In the second case, I would
deduce that at least part of the kernel is down - or hopelessly locked
in parts that are exclusive. (Like some weird hardware access that is
not reentrant - an interrupt handler or something).
The first kind of errors I have seen a few times - always on systems
that were know to have real sucky hardware. (Old stuff that had been
taken down years ago, renewed with linux). The latter part I have only
seen once, where I was not able to pinpoint some hardware that was
broken.
Over 3 years, on the 15-20 linux machines I use, I have seen one
single crash, that I could not immediatly explain. And about 8-10 that
where due to broken hardware, or not-quite-good-enough driver support.
(Well, at one point I had a SMP system, where the one CPU was
broken, and until we figured that out, that system just kept
crashing/trashing the filesystem when running a SMP kernel. But I do
not think that counts. The system ran fine on one CPU, since the boot
CPU was fine.)
I was badly shaken by the crash that I could not explain. Took me
a week to recover from the shock. (I am almost seriously here. It even
happened on a X-client machine. No data loss, and a reboot fixed
everything, but still...)
Better stop digressing now.
Mads
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| Mads Bondo Dydensborg. Student at DIKU, Copenhagen - Denmark. |
| Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.diku.dk/students/madsdyd/ |
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From: Ben Cecil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: modem not responding
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:12:02 +1000
Hi,
I am trying to set up my Linux file server for PPP connections but
am
being thwarted by my modem.
I have switched the mouse between both com ports and both work OK.
When the modem is plugged into comX, I issue the command : echo
"atdt/n" >/dev/cua(X - 1)
... the modem LEDs show it is ready to transmit but no dial tone.
Similarly, using the modem config tool under Redhat and linking
/dev/modem to the correct port, then using network configuarator to
set
up a PPP interface produces the same effect... ie no dial tone,
therefore no dialling.
I have another machine running winDoze 95 which runs the modem with
no
problem.
I am trying to set up my home network so I don't have to rely on
winDoze, so any help or suggestions that can be thrown my way would
be
gladly received.
Thanks in advance
Ben Cecil
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.widgetsolutions.com.au
--
==========> WIDGET Solutions
======> www.widgetsolutions.com.au
--> Graphic Design * Hardware * Software
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: helping the Third World
Date: 29 Jul 1999 08:18:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 21 Jul 1999 13:56:17 GMT,
>You would seem to have a computer, (unless you are borrowing one) which
>makes you rich compared to 3/4ths of the world, so you will be sending most of
>your money to deserving families in the 3rd world, yes?
The problems in the Third World are all caused by overpopulation,
inequality of wealth within the Third World nations, and exploitation
by First World capitalists/governments. How would sending over a few
thousand dollars change anything? It wouldn't, and that's one reason
why only sentimental fools bother.
Those "well, why don't you change the world yourself" responses are
sure signs of a witless cretin.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Rappe)
Crossposted-To: msn.computingcentral.os.linux
Subject: Re: Scripting Question
Date: 29 Jul 1999 08:34:32 GMT
Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I have a scripting question. Not sure if this would be done in Perl or
>something else. But here is what I need to do:
>
>1. I need to keep the last 5 versions of a file. I was thinking of just
>renaming the files, i.e. prev1, prev2, prev3, prev4, etc.
>2. So, I need to delete the last one, and rename all of the ones down one
>number.
>3. I need to run a program that will ftp download a file. And that will
>become the first file.
one way would be
#!/bin/sh
mv prev3 prev4; mv prev2 prev3; mv prev1 prev2; mv foo prev1
wget ftp://whatever/foo
--
-john Finally the day came when I did desparately want a job.
jrappe@ I needed it. Not having another minute to lose,
bigfoot. I decided that I would take the last job on earth,
com that of messenger boy. -- Henry Miller
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From: Robert C Flisik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: IBM Netfinity 5500 and Caldera 2.2 Problems
Date: 28 Jul 1999 22:31:20 GMT
We have Netfinity 5500's and would like to move from NT to Linux. We
purchased the 2.2 distribution of Caldera. Each time we try to load in the
install, the system will hang at the load kernel message. Afterwords a hard
reboot is required.
We have tried the shipped install floppy, and well as LISA - both with
similar results - a lock up at the LILO message.
We would like to use the Caldera distribution, but I have read that RedHat
does support the ServeRaid II controller in the Netfinity series. Can
anyone help?
Details:
450 PII, 128MB, (2) 9GB drives.
Thanks in Advance,
Bob Flisik
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Graham Ashton)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Did SUSE 6.1 egcs lose C++???
Date: 29 Jul 1999 08:38:55 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Hasenstein wrote:
>Michel Catudal wrote:
>
>First, would you please be so kind and NOT quote lots of lines of the
>previous posting(s) ...
is it just me, or did you totally fail to follow your own advice?
--
Graham
P.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is a fully working address...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 29 Jul 1999 08:30:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.T.Z. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The real problem with some people is the fact that they only know how to
>critisize. They have an opinion but no vision how it could be done better.
>So I challenge them to do the following:
>Tell us how you would like to reorganise the social security/welfare system
>in your country.
It's been done, over and over and over and over and over at nauseum and
you still remain unenlightened.
>And how are you going to pay all your expenses. I expect something more
>intelligent then "more tax" cause people who have a business or earned a
Red herring. The people we want to tax are the people who *didn't* earn
their money (which come to think of it, is everyone but that's a separate
issue). What do you have against inheritance taxes for billionaires?
>lot of money are NOT stupid. Do not forget that large companies might move
>from to US to a more tax friendly country, leaving the US with more
>unemployed and less income from taxes.
No they wouldn't. That's just a bluff propagated by corporations. They're
blackmailing your country and idiots like you tell everyone else to fold.
When you actually call their bluff, and it's been done in the past, the
companies stay right where they are.
>If you can't give a real vision then please shut up.
First step; establish democracy in the Americas.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Coy A Hile)
Subject: Re: Assembler for linux on Intel platform.
Date: 29 Jul 1999 04:34:35 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am looking for an assembler for linux. I need a linux executible of
>an .asm file that was written for Borland Turbo Assembler (tasm32) for
>the Win NT platform. Is this possible?
>
>Sincerely,
>Ryan T. Rhea
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
man gcc. I think gcc -s assembles programs.
Coy
--
Coy Hile
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Theirs not to reason why; theirs but to do...."
Tennyson, "Charge of the Light Brigade"
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From: Torben Hoffmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Wordperfect; danish support??
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:08:43 +0200
Hi there,
I have taken a look at Corels web-page on WordPerfect for Linux, but I
cannot figure out if there is any suport for danish available.
I just need support for spell checking of danish documents inside WP -
no danish menus please ;-)
Best regards
Torben
ps sorry if this topic is placed in the wrong group
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: guaranteed annual income
Date: 29 Jul 1999 08:42:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.T.Z. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In The Netherlands (here) nobody has to die because he or she doesn't have
>a job. To many people without jobs are complaining about their situation
>and they don't do a single thing to get a real job. I don't think I have
If people are dying in a tidal wave, are you gonna complain they didn't
"do a single thing to get" to higher ground?
>an attitude problem. If a person has good health and he or she can work,
>he or she has to do everything to get a real job. For people who do not
And this "everything", does it involve organ selling, pushing drugs, or
prostitution?
>succeed in getting a job social security should provide an income. Our
>government has the policy that those people who don't want to find a job
And you determine this how? "Hmmm, I don't think I like your face ..."
>get less money from social security. You can't compare the situation in
>countries the way you do, some people would call it their culture and you
>could really insult them with what you're saying.
So your proposed solution is to beat people. If they aren't sufficiently
obsequious then you whip them until they are.
Helping people get jobs is possible, but it takes a lot of money; a
hell of a lot more money than the pittance "welfare" gives people.
So on the one hand, you're complaining about people being on welfare
but the only reason they're on welfare is because you're a selfish
stingy rat bastard.
>> The answer to your question is: you're the "loser," a "man" whose
>> morals are still those of that first creature to drop from the tree
>> and walk upright on the ground.
>
>Do you really want to insult me for my opinion?? And yes I would be a
>loser if I was paying to much tax.
He's not insulting you for your opinion, he's pointing out that you're
an inhuman immoral creature with no empathy whatsoever for the plight
of your fellows. And by attaching so much importance to your own petty
selfish interests, you prove it.
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From: SmokeSerpent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: URGENT: How to download Red Hat 6???
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:42:55 -0700
On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, 9wands wrote:
>Robert Brown-Bayliss wrote:
>>
>> Why nor download? I set my PC to down load RH 6 and walked away. All day
>> at work it was down loading, all night while I slept it was downloading.
>> All morning the next day it was downloading. By 2pm I had RH 6 running.
>>
>> Sure it's slow, but if you are else wher it takes no time at all :o)
>>
>
>Must be nice to have a rock-stable dial-up connection like that. Last
>summer when I DLd Mandrake, I had to sort of supervise things to catch
>the random disconnects ...
>
One time it's nice to have Win98 on the machine as well. GO!Zilla is a truly
rockin' download program for windows, that got me RH6 in <3 days @28.8 while I
still browsed the 'net and checked my mail and everything.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Rappe)
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc,redhat.x.general
Subject: Re: Starting GUI login Q
Date: 29 Jul 1999 08:41:09 GMT
David Eno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Now that X works, how can I get my PC to start up with a graphical login
>screen?
>
>Thanks for you help. Hope this is an easy one!
It is. Edit /etc/inittab and change the line:
id:3:initdefault:
to
id:5:initdefault:
Runlevel 5 starts xdm, the X login manager, when the system is started.
--
-john Finally the day came when I did desparately want a job.
jrappe@ I needed it. Not having another minute to lose,
bigfoot. I decided that I would take the last job on earth,
com that of messenger boy. -- Henry Miller
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 29 Jul 1999 08:57:20 GMT
In article <7nk0ld$6fa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>One irony is that many factory jobs in the U.S. disappeared during the
>1980s and 1990s not because technology directly replaced workers, but
>because it demanded skills of these workers that they simply did not
>have, like being able to read and do math at a high school level.
>(Note: I was a factory worker during much of the 80s.)
And why do you think the technology was put in place? Technology serves
whoever controls it. Who do you think owns technology in the USA?
>The process also brought into much clearer focus that the U.S.
>educational system, in spite of being among the most lavishly funded
>in the world, has some serious problems that MUST be addressed if our
On what basis do you claim the US educational system is adequately
funded? The biggest problem with it is that it's *unevenly* funded
so large parts of it are completely worthless. IOW, an average dollar
figure is worthless.
Do you count universities as part of the education system? The US
has always sucked at producing scientists and researchers.
One of the problems of the US educational system is US arrogance.
>nation is to survive - preferably, through some form of competition
>and/or quality standards that are not politically motivated and
>manipulated. Human resources are after all the most valuable that any
>nation can have.
Neither teachers nor parents have any incentive for students to learn
more. The only ones directly involved that do are students. Schools
are the prototype of an authoritarian institution; the subjects it is
supposed to benefit don't have any say whatsoever about it.
>Although I'm a libertarian, I do agree with some of the critics on the
>left (although not nearly so far left as Kulisz) at least insofar as
>recognizing that the educational, criminal justice, financial, legal,
>and entertainment systems serve, whether intentionally or not, to
>perpetuate a surprisingly rigid class structure, one in which the
It's rare to see Propertarians who don't blatantly deny reality.
>best-motivated can and do achieve, but in which there is a
>semi-permanent "underclass" whose problems are overwhelming and from
>which only the best-motivated and gifted individuals can escape. The
>existence of this underclass is very convenient for both of the
>political parties, for the social services bureaucracy, for those who
>hire unskilled labor, and for others who prey upon ignorance and
>decay. These are problems that people on both the left and right seem
>to see and to be willing to address, although their diagnosis and
>prescriptions differ enough that they are seldom willing to work
>together to address them.
The only solution is massive redistribution from the rich to the
poor, instead of from the poor to the rich. But to do that, you
need a democracy. This is anathema to right-wingers, and even most
left-wingers. In fact, only extreme left-wingers want democracy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Unresolved symbols in module...
Date: 29 Jul 1999 08:01:58 GMT
In article <7nogir$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Abreu wrote:
>>did you rerun lilo after the build, but before the reboot? You will need
>>to modify /etc/lilo.conf, if you haven't already done so, to point to
>>the new kernel, and then type `lilo' at the prompt.
>
>Yes, I did everything by the book. /boot/vmlinuz is a symlink to the new
>kernel zImage and is also referenced in /etc/lilo.conf
Why does Red Hat insist on this "/boot/vmlinuz" thing? It must be some
historical relic. Make bzImage (zImage is obsolete) and copy it
to whereever you keep LILO files. Give it a mnemonic name
such as bz2.2.10. No symlinks. Make sure it's in a partition your
BIOS can see. (For most BIOSes, that means it ends below cylinder 1024.)
>What other files to I have to copy to /boot?
The LILO-related files are:
/etc/lilo.conf Tells /sbin/lilo what you want
bzImage Bootimage file: loadable by BIOS, LILO, Syslinux, or Loadlin.
boot.b The loader, also (more or less) known as LILO.
chain.b The chain loader, capable of launching a bootable partition.
message The text you want to see at boot time, preceeding LILO prompt.
map The list of block pointers /sbin/lilo creates
>DO I have to move the new System.map to /boot ?
No! It's a historical relic of the days before the ps(1) command used
the /proc "filesystem." The old ps(1) needed a symbol table to
rummage around in /dev/kmem. It was slow.
I suppose System.map is also used to build symbols into the modules,
but once you have a bzImage and modules you don't need it any more.
It doesn't have anything to do with the LILO boot sequence.
Cameron
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From: Craig Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux has finally crashed
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:06:15 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul D. Smith) wrote:
>%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randall Parker) writes:
>
> rp> I gotta tell you, there are non-Unix operating systems that can
> rp> have power removed from them without warning that will _rarely_
> rp> corrupt the file system as a result.
>
>First, please don't treat this as a UNIX vs. non-UNIX issue. There are
>about as many different filesystem implementations as there are UNIX
>variants. Some are safer, some are less safe. Often it's a
>speed/safety tradeoff issue.
>
>FWIW, I've had my kids flick off my Linux box on numerous occassions and
>had the power go out, etc., and I've never had to manually fsck the
>disk. So it's not an "every time" thing. Much of it depends on what's
>going on on the system when it goes.
>
> rp> Is there some way to avoid this? I know a guy who runs the
> rp> computers at an ISP. Recently (about a month ago) a defective UPS
> rp> didn't protect 4 Linux computers (all with the latest patches)
> rp> during a power outage. None of them rebooted when power came back
> rp> on. 3 had to be restored from tape. That is a terrible record.
>
>Last I heard work is being done on a journaling filesystem for Linux;
>these are very reliable. AIX and, I think, HP-UX already have them.
>You might ask around and see what's going on in this area.
Irix (the SGI version of Unix) has a pretty sorted journaling filesystem,
I believe that SGI were allowing/helping it to be supported in Linux.
Craig.
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From: Tony Christian Soderudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can I resize my Linux-partition?
Date: 29 Jul 1999 09:29:30 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I'd like to resize my Linux-partition!
: How can I do this?
: Thanks
: Arik Funke
I use Partition magic 4 for that. Works fine.
--
.touni
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roman Fietze)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.answer
Subject: Re: man pages for C++ classes and STL
Date: 29 Jul 1999 09:39:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ilan Finci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Are there man pages for standard classes in C++ (like iostream) and the
> STL classes?
> ...
At least iostreams are documented in the info files. On my
distribution (SuSE 6.1) they had to be installed separately. If you
compile them by hand, they should install by default (was not yet
necessary for me).
STL: nil
Roman
--
Roman Fietze (Mail Code 5023) Heidelberg Digital/Germany
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Philip V Pham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.install
Subject: Re: still having mouse prob
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:10:43 +0100
I'm having a similar problem. Red Hat 6.0 doesn't
automatically recognize my Logitech Serial Mouse
during installation.
I'm still working in this problem.
Any comments would be appreciated.
--phil
John Brashier wrote:
> I tried mouseconfig, and it still isn't working. I tried all four com
> ports and no dice. My mouse is part of a sony vaio system, and I am
> pretty sure its MS compatible. Any suggestions? I did have it installed
> correctly once, but I recently did a reinstall to correct what I thought
> might be corrupted directories, and now.... please help.
>
> Thanks,
> Brashier
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