Linux-Misc Digest #267, Volume #21 Mon, 2 Aug 99 22:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: CIA assassinations (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Problems with LILO and kernel size. (Gergo Barany)
Re: Cant get Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI to work (ST)
Re: install problem ("Michael L. Lockhart")
Re: corrupt wtmp (L J Bayuk)
Betrieve for linux (Christophe Zwecker)
Re: ICQ (was Re: in response (Larry Clark)
Re: IDE vs scsi? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: bashrc help (Johan Kullstam)
Buy Linux Cds (Matthew Omolayole)
Boot-up error messages (Ray)
Re: [Q] linux license? (Christopher Browne)
Re: VB and Linux (Mats Pettersson)
HL720 printer, ghostscript and printtool ("Michael L. Lockhart")
tulip.c 0.91 with Lite-On PNIC and other NICs (Timothy J. Lee)
Re: Java makes Netscape crash (jamie)
Re: Just a suggestion... (Robert V. Grizzard)
Re: filesystem corruption (Chris Mahmood)
Re: helping the Third World ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Is Linux A Memory Hogging OS? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: IDE vs scsi? (Robert Heller)
Re: setenv command (Lev Babiev)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:56:04 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:08:37 GMT...
..and MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:59:27 +0200, "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
> >> The problem is, as Adam Smith put it, in effective demand. The demand
> >> only matters when it can be paid for. There are lots of people in the
> >> world who have a demand for very basic things, but their demand is not
> >> effective, because it can't be paid for. It does not matter really
> >> what the size is. It's the quality, not the quantity, that matters.
> >> The number of customers is not panacea.
>
> >Right, but most countries in the EU are not exactly poor. Most consumers have an
> >income high enough to effort some luxuri and are willing to spend that money.
>
> Absolutely true.
>
> The problem is the future. The trend. If it goes on like that, the
> whole Europe is going to become one big scansen. The nice
> museum that Japanese take photographs in.
In case they get over their economic crisis, that is. Unlike e.g. Japan's
economy, Europe's is at least built upon solid foundations.
> The comparative
> advantage. What's our comparative advantage?
Education. As far as I know, USAmerican education is pretty much a
joke compared to, say, German education.
Of course, if the only thing that matters to you is a small elite, and
not a large, well-educated and well-informed mass of working citizens
who are able to do their part in a functional democracy, the
USAmerican system might please you better.
mawa
--
Floss!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Subject: Re: Problems with LILO and kernel size.
Date: 2 Aug 1999 23:41:03 GMT
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:52:24 -0700, Dave Davenport
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi. Stupid newbie question here. I'm running Redhat 6.0 and using
>xconfig to compile a new kernel (hopefully with SB16 support). The
>compile goes fine, but when I run LILO to add the new kernel as a 'test'
>option, LILO gives me a 'kernel too large' error message. The smallest
>kernel I've been able to compile has been about 1.2 megs. Is there
>anything I'm missing or will I have to pare more support out of it?
During kernel compilation, try making "bzImage" instead of "zImage" and
(if you use "zlilo") "bzlilo" instead of "zlilo".
Gergo
--
Any stone in your boot always migrates against the pressure gradient to
exactly the point of most pressure.
-- Milt Barber
GU d- s:+ a--- C++>$ UL+++ P>++ L+++ E>++ W+ N++ o? K- w--- !O !M !V
PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP+ t* 5+ X- R>+ tv++ b+>+++ DI+ D+ G>++ e* h! !r !y+
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ST)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Cant get Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI to work
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:05:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>
> Larry Ozarow wrote:
>
> > Are you sure the module has been loaded?
>
>
> when I do lsmod it shows as loaded. But I got no sound :-/
>
> > I'm using an AudioPCI with the es1370 chip. Under kernel 2.2.10 all I
> > had to do was compile es1370 support as a module. I pseudo-manually
> > load the driver by including the line "/sbin/modprobe es1370" in my
> > rc.local file. No configuration necessary.
>
> Should I try switching from 2.2.7 to 2.2.10 ??
>
> > I used to use the ALSA drivers with a 2.0.x kernel, but haven't
> > gotten around to trying them with the new kernel.
>
> OK. I'll try also the pseudo-manually load of this module ;)
>
> Thank you Larry,
> Sinner
>
I'm having the same problem. I have a Creative SB Audio PC64D with an
IRQ of 11 and an I/O range of 1800-183F. Everytime I try to run
sndconfig to autodetect the card it tells me I have an ES1371 chipset (i
use RH which I think is kernel version 2.2.10). There are claims that it
is supported, but I get NO sound. Did you ever get it to work?
Thanks,
spt
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From: "Michael L. Lockhart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general,redhat.rpm.general
Subject: Re: install problem
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:58:51 -0600
Alex wrote:
> Larry Standhey wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to make a full install of RedHat 5.2 from a cdrom distribution.
> > The install keeps telling me I am running out of space. Can anyone tell me
> > how much space is required to install the os plus all the goodies; gcc,
> > samba, and more?
> >
> > I also don't fully understand how to configure the disk partitions and mount
> > points. How many should there be? What should their size be? I have a 2.4 G
> > HDD Any suggestions?
> >
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> What's your current setup look like now? I'm just curious
> because when I first started mucking round with linux
> I got the same sort of messages and I can't remember exactly
> why.
>
> Anyway, _my_ setup looks like this roughly (might not suit you though):
>
> / - 48Mb
> /usr - 1600Mb
> /home - 500Mb
> swap - 64Mb
>
> My very first Linux setup only had 2 partitions. Just a huge `/' and
> 64Mb swap
> but upon getting to know a bit more about linux this setup wasn't very
> ideal
> for me.
>
> Hope this helped.
>
> Alex
If you have 2.4 GB devoted to Linux, here is how I'd partition it and why.
swap == 2 x RAM (let's assume you have 64 MB, so you'd make swap 128 MB)
/ == 128 MB
/usr == 1024 MB
/home == all the rest
SWAP: You want optimum performance and a proven way is to give yourself plenty of
swap. Most the system administrators I know use this rule of thumb if they have
the ram.
/: This is where your basic kernel and system configuration stuff goes. It would
probably fit in half this much with ease, but as time goes by who knows how much
space you'll need so why skimp.
/usr: Your applications and SRPMs go here. I've never had an installation take
more than 700 MB (/ and /usr), but if you want to add any applications
(WordPerfect, etc..) you'll need room to expand and this gives you plenty.
/home: You ALWAYS want to have a separate /home partition. That way, you can
reformat the other partitions reinstall RH (or any other istribution) while
leaving your /home partition alone and when you've added your user, you've got
your same rc files and everything. I even have a little script that saves some
files from the /etc (ppp stuff, hosts, etc.) directory to a /home/mll/.save
directory (you have to create it first) so I can restore things after a
reinstall. I also like a fair amount of space in my home directory so I can
download stuff and keep it around.
Anyway, those are some thoughts on partitioning.
--
Mike Lockhart
-- Without Software, it's just a paper weight.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk)
Subject: Re: corrupt wtmp
Date: 2 Aug 1999 23:46:36 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>How do I fix a corrupt wtmp file? It gives me strange things like
>people still logged in from before the machine was booted, incorrect who
>lists and the like. It got very unhappy with me for mv'ing that one out
>of the way and creating another for it to use. Any ideas?
I think wtmp is a record of events, while utmp is the current status,
so if you are getting bad values from who, the problem is most likely utmp.
Either of these files can safely be replaced by an empty file
(like echo -n > utmp); save the existing file first if you want.
Slackware systems zero out /var/run/utmp on each boot, by the way.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christophe Zwecker)
Subject: Betrieve for linux
Date: 3 Aug 1999 01:19:38 +0200
Hi,
is there a server and/or clients for linux available ?
thx for any hints
bye
--
Christophe Zwecker mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hamburg, Germany fon: +49 179 3994867
UNIX is user-friendly. It's just not ignorant-friendly and
idiot-friendly.Build a system even a fool can use,and only
a fool will want to use it.
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From: Larry Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: ICQ (was Re: in response
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:20:50 -0700
well I got licq to work on my red hat machine at home now I can't get any to work
again....on my caldera 2.2 machine at work...dud.........I am triin
gkicq....kxicq.......licq....etc.....
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Subject: Re: IDE vs scsi?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 02 Aug 1999 19:55:55 -0400
"Art S. Kagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On a single user workstation? Rarely. On an Internet Server with a Database
> server providing data? Absolutely you can tell the difference.
> Certainly for a single user system SCSI only makes sense if you want
> to take advantage of the high speed peripherals and external
> connections that SCSI will provide over EIDE. There are no EIDE
> scanners or external drive cabinets, and SCSI tape drives still give
> better throughput. But is that enough to warrant the extra expense,
> even in the US where the penalty is more like 40% than double as it
> seems to be in Europe? You have to decide. I went SCSI, most do
> not for a workstation. BTW my company uses SCSI in all of the WinNT
> workstations here, and I have nothing to do with that, FWIW.
nothing says you cannot have an EIDE hard disk drive with a cheap
narrow/slow SCSI for the external devices like tape and scanner.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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Subject: Re: bashrc help
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 02 Aug 1999 19:02:56 -0400
Jim McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> lawrence ta-wei lu wrote:
>
> > HI,
> >
> > I need some help with my bashrc file. I have it in root's home directory
> > as .bashrc and I have 1 line of code in there that will set the prompt.
> > I think the command is right, but when I log in the prompt has not changed.
> > I have the permissions set for 700 but nothing happens. Do I need to
> > explicity tell bash to look at this file?
> >
> > --
> > "Better than a thousand men is a man with intelligence"
> >
> > **********************************************************************
> > * Lawrence Lu * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
>
> Try putting the same command in /etc/profile.
no. this is bad. bash goes out of its way to clobber PS1 for
non-interactive shells. consider the following sequence of events
1) .profile[1] sets PS1.
2) user types startx.
3) startx is a shell script
=> a non-interactive bash interprets it,
=> buh-bye PS1.
4) shell in your xterm/rxvt has no prompt.
PS1 is for interactive use. put it with the other interactive stuff.
PS1 should be set in .bashrc.
[1] or .bash_profile or /etc/profile it's all the same.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:27:25 -0400
From: Matthew Omolayole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Buy Linux Cds
Check this out Linux Cds cheap including source codes.
All cds are kernel 2.2 version.
http://members.tripod.com/~MATOMO/index.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Boot-up error messages
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:12:21 GMT
I don't know why, but I'm suddenly getting the following error
messages when I boot up my Linux (i'm using SuSE 6.1):
Setting up /etc/ld.so.cache failed
Initializing random number generator failed
and when I shut down, I get a *slew* of error messages (all of which
pass by too fast for me to write down). Can anyone explain to me what
the above error messages mean? Is my Linux install screwed? Will I
have to start from scratch all over again (not a disaster, but not
desirable, either)?
TIA,
Ray
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: [Q] linux license?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:25:02 GMT
On 2 Aug 1999 21:56:21 GMT, student <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I have some administrative questions.
>As a end user, I've been wondering the question related to
>the license of linux.
>Specifically, for example, many linux OSes
>such as RedHat, Slackware, Debian, etc
>have 'free' or 'share' packages of gnu society
>for compilers, editors, xterms, etc, in their CDROM.
>In that case, the company of RedHat or Slackware or Debian
>need to pay some license fee to 'gnu' society?
>(Or to any person that made free/share packages called
>freeware/shareware).
>Or they don't need to pay to them at all.
>
>If they do not need to pay at all, can I(as an end user)
>sell my own CDROM that has such freeware/shareware packages
>without violating any law?
>Any replies would be appreciated.
The Linux kernel, as well as a vast quantity of the other stuff
included with "Linux systems," represents Free Software.
A particular aspect of the Freeness of the software is that it is free
of licensing charges and other similar committments.
When a group got together and came up with the (sometimes
controversial) term "Open Source" as a moniker to apply to such
software, one of the alternatives that was rejected was that of
"Freely Redistributable Software."
That phrase is nicely descriptive of what is true of Linux and similar
software.
--
To iterate is human; to recurse, divine.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Mats Pettersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VB and Linux
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 02:54:51 +0200
tim wrote:
>
> I am thinking about building a windows admin program for users on my
> networked Linix box.
>
> Can anyone tell me will I be able to launch programs on (the networked)
> Linux server from Visual Basic. i.e if there is a Vb app on a windows PC
> that displays an Internet access button, when clicked will it, reference and
> launch a bash script on the Linux box.
>
> Anyone got any ideas
You could use a webbrowser and CGI script's. That way the user can
access the Linux box from any machine with a webbrowser. You have to
think about the security implications though.
Otherwise you have to do somekind of client/server solution which mean
you have to program a server on the Linux side which communicate with
your VB program.
Mats
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From: "Michael L. Lockhart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.rpm.general,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: HL720 printer, ghostscript and printtool
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:15:24 -0600
I have compiled the ghostscript 5.5 SRPM with the brother hl720 enabled,
but printtool doesn't know about it. Is it possible to use printtool to
configure it? If not, then how do I get the thing working with lpr?
--
Mike Lockhart
-- Without Software, it's just a paper weight.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: tulip.c 0.91 with Lite-On PNIC and other NICs
Date: 3 Aug 1999 01:08:05 GMT
Reply-To: see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome
I am using the tulip.c 0.91 driver with Linux kernel 2.0.36.
It seems to work in some cases, but not others.
On a computer with an FIC PA-2012 motherboard with VIA chipset
and AMD K6 233 MHz processor, it works reliably with a DEC 21140
based NIC (older Netgear FA310TX). But it does not work at all
with a Lite-On PNIC based NIC (newer Netgear FA310TX). It mostly
works with an ASIX 88140 based NIC (CNet Pro110B), but cannot
ping or be pinged by Suns with 10Mbit connections (an SS5 with
a Lance ethernet, and an Ultra 5 with an HME plugged into a 10
Mbit hub; works fine with Ultra 5 computers on 100 Mbit connections).
On a similar computer which has an A-trend motherboard with
Intel 430TX chipset, the PNIC based NIC works fine with the
same kernel and driver versions.
What could be the problem?
--
========================================================================
Timothy J. Lee timlee@
Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. netcom.com
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jamie)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Java makes Netscape crash
Date: 2 Aug 1999 23:24:03 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike Mckinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>If you manage to get this problem fixed, could you let me know also ?
>I have also checked my fonts, and still it crashes. And sometimes, Netscape
>just "wigs out" and starts making my disk thrash so badly that the only thing
>I can do is warm boot using the reset button, which of course results more
>often than not in my filesystem getting somewhat trashed.
>
>The site that I have the most problems with is :
>
>www.uproar.com/picthis
Mike neglected to mention that the problem is intermittent. It will
thrash his disk for about five minutes, with no response to any key
combination whatsoever, until the whole system is locked up, and while
it's doing this, I usually can't get in via telnet to kill his netscape,
either.
Sometimes the site loads fine. The picthis site is java, but not
javascript.
I also have intermittent problems with the site, but it doesn't thrash my
disk. About half the time my netscape just halts and becomes unresponsive
(buttons cease to be buttons), or closes itself. Very rarely, it will
crash the X console, or lock up the whole linux system.
All the fonts fix did was take care of some window re-drawing hangs,
when switching windows.
I'm running Slackware 3.6, with 2.0.36 kernel, libc5 system,
with glibc-2.0.7pre6 runtime support installed (for what, I don't know)
Mike's running Slackware 4.0 with 2.2.10 kernel, libc5 system,
with glibc-2.0.7pre6 runtime support installed
we both have xfree86 3.3.3.1 for libc5 and netscape 4.61 for libc5
IIRC, the disk thrashing problem started after the upgrade to Slack 4.0,
but I'm not absolutely positive.
--
jamie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
"There's a seeker born every minute."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert V. Grizzard)
Subject: Re: Just a suggestion...
Date: 3 Aug 1999 01:14:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>Jeff Goodman wrote:
>
>> Can we take the large number of postings in this (already very busy)
>> newsgroup that relate to communism, philosophy, name-calling, etc., and
>> not at all to Linux, and move them to a more appropriate forum? Just a
>> suggestion...
>>
>> Jeff
>
>Good idea. Ww don't need this stuff. I don't know who administers this
>group, but it should be possible to block postings from any of the
>offenders' e-mail addresses.
Who administers anarchy?
That is the beauty of Usenet -- there is no sole single individual (in an
unmoderated newsgroup) who says, "This post may pass; that one shall not".
Jim,if you and Jeff (and I, for that matter) wish to post off-topic (again,
for the benefit of all you veteran Usenetters, I'm speaking here of
*un*moderated newsgroups) you (and I) may. There is none who may stop us.
That, unfortunately, is also the ugliness of Usenet. There is no central
authority who may act to stop the rude prior to their breach of net.etiquette;
those who would repair such breaches must hurl themselves headlong into the
rupture and hope that those whose oxen were gored might bide momentarily and
not add to the fuss and furore. Sadly, though,it is not in the nature of the
kineherd whose charges are oozing gore to wait a while, and thus in the
fullness of time there erupts in the 'Net land called "Use" a Flame War. And
the instigator chortles merrily at the spectacle.
(Sorry -- waxed a little Medieval there.)
I note that you, Jim, and Jeff are both running "Netscape" (which announces
itself as 'Mozilla'). I don't recall Netscape/Mozilla having an effective
killfile. tin does; so do most of the other U*ix newsreaders available. For
that matter, WinVN's is very nice too. Were I to make one suggestion it would
be to use an actual newsreader with killfile functionality rather than
Netscape. This will subtract huge amounts from your irritation.
(And thus I return to the topic.)
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: filesystem corruption
Date: 02 Aug 1999 16:15:03 -0700
Yap Chen Kuang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I run redhat 6 at work. Everytime the system isn't shut down properly
> the filesystem
> is corrupted beyond repair. fsck just hangs.
what do you mean fsck 'hangs'? It takes a while to run on large
filesystems. And buy a UPS.
-ckm
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: 3 Aug 1999 01:02:04 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I just expect to see the left to *lead by example* , as opposed to
: leading by extortion. I am not saying that it will solve the worlds
: problems if you lift a finger to make the world a better place.
: However, it will put you in a much better position to take the
: "moral high ground" without being laughed off stage.
I must say that at least here in the U.S., there are plenty of people
on the left (and elsewhere on the political spectrum) doing exactly
that: running free medical and legal clinics, crisis pregnancy
centers, job training programs, etc., often on their own dime and with
no help from - in fact, sometimes opposed by - the better funded and
organized political "charities" and "causes."
I'm not generally very sympathetic to the views of most leftists, but
some are honest and sincere and genuinely believe in doing what they
can to help those less fortunate than themselves. The same is true
elsewhere on the political spectrum. Just as there are assholes like
Kulisz on both left and right (and they smell surprisingly alike),
there are good and decent people on both left and right as well. And
I'm generally willing to work with people of good will regardless of
their beliefs, politically or otherwise, if I believe that to do so
will help us to make the world a better place for those who will
follow us.
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is Linux A Memory Hogging OS?
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:09:06 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:47:46 -0400 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>William Burrow wrote:
>
>> Look at top. Consider if your system is 99% idle, that there are CPU
>> cycles available that you are not using -- you are wasting CPU! CPU
>> cycles are really quite cheap, especially compared to the limited
>> amount of RAM you have available.
>
>Someone suggested that the temperature of the CPU increases as
>the CPU usage increases. By his reasoning, the larger the idle
>time, the cooler the CPU will be. How true is this?
Depends on what the CPU's doing when it's supposedly idle.
Linux, at least, knows about the HLT instructions on x86 machines.
While the CPU is halted, if only for a few milliseconds (microseconds?)
at the very most, it's not switching transistors. As almost everyone
knows, the pulse of current during a transistor switch (in CMOS
technology, anyway) is what generates the current draw in the
transistor (CMOS has very low static power dissipation) and the
subsequent heat. A million transistors switching here, a million
there, and sooner or later we're talking some serious heat... :-)
I don't know what tech Intel is using for its Pentiums, though, but
it's clear that the HLT state will use less current than the
full-tilt-running-or-busy-wait state, since the chip is essentially
sitting around waiting for an interrupt.
(I do wish I had a thermistor thermometer, though. It would give
me some data with which to evaluate this phenom.)
>--
> Donn
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IDE vs scsi?
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:55:37 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith),
In a message on Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:57:02 GMT, wrote :
RS> >> Overall and IMHO, SCSI still beats EIDE for high-end situations requiring
RS> >> multiple devices or the best possible disk speed. EIDE is adequate for
RS> >> low-end situations involving just a single hard disk and one CD-ROM
RS> >> drive. Add more devices and they start bumping into each other.
RS> >
RS> > That's what I meant when I said that there must be good reasons before it
RS> > pays to buy SCSI. Adding a single drive is IMHO NOT a good reason,
RS> > concerning the price/perfomance ratio, even if it means that the CDROM and
RS> > one hard disk share one interrupt.
RS>
RS> For the average low-end system, you're probably right, though I've some
RS> qualms about that "adding" bit (two hard disks and one CD-ROM fare worse
RS> than one hard disk and one CD-ROM on EIDE, and if you're adding one to two
RS> existing hard disks, it's even worse for EIDE). IMHO, with EIDE, it's
RS> generally best to REPLACE, rather than ADD, a hard disk. This is
RS> especially true if you have devices like Zip drives, CD-R burners, etc.,
RS> chewing up EIDE connections. In fact, the fact that you can use more SCSI
RS> devices means that they may have longer lifetimes, thus reducing the size
RS> of future hard disk purchases and lowering future SCSI costs. That's a
RS> factor that almost never gets mentioned in the SCSI-vs-EIDE debates.
RIGHT! SCSI really does well in the 'small incremental' type of
upgrade, and in fact, adding another 'small / cheap' drive is not only
cost effective, it can actually result in as good (if not *better*)
performance than replacement with a larger / faster drive, due to the
better operation overlap possibilities you get with SCSI. EIDE is
probably fine in a system that will *never* have more than 1 hard drive
(at a time) -- SCSI will *generally* be better when 2 or more drives
are to be attached.
RS>
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RS> Author of _Special Edition Using WordPerfect for Linux_, from Que
RS>
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From: Lev Babiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: setenv command
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:25:58 -0400
setenv is a command used by csh-like shells. RedHat uses bash by
default. To set
the variable in bash just do VARIABLE=value. to make it visible for
others do
export VARIABLE, or to roll it all into one, export VARIABLE=value.
If you want to use csh or tcsh instead of bash install the shell if it's
not
installed yet, and set users default shell to csh, tcsh or whatever you
want.
- Lev
> I'm using redhat 6.0 and I don't have the "setenv" command. I'd like to get
> it, since it's very convenient. Does anyone know where I can download it,
> or is it buried in an rpm on the RH 6.0 cd?
>
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