Linux-Misc Digest #267, Volume #26 Wed, 8 Nov 00 18:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: Dump account ("Jay")
Best Distro For Newbie.... (Michael Lauzon)
Re: OK, [CENSOR] MOUSE!
Problem compiling kernel (Reiner Griess)
CD Recording (Francisco Javier)
Re: OK, [CENSOR] MOUSE! ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Problem compiling kernel ("Peter T. Breuer")
mmap() vs. lseek() on /dev/mem (Gary Parnes)
running telnet automatically ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Best Distro For Newbie.... ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: How to compile wi/ optimization? (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: running telnet automatically (Grant Edwards)
is linux good for graphic design? (Doug Smith)
Re: network slow in linux, fast in win... ("Me")
Re: Can't get "ln -sf" to work (Lee Allen)
Re: Problem with kernel-2.4.0-test9 (Andreas Hartmann)
Re: ABIT Hot Rod 100 IDE RAID adapter and Linux? (muzh)
Re: Software RAID ("Giampaolo Tomassoni")
Re: is linux good for graphic design? ("Jason from The Workshop")
Re: Can't get "ln -sf" to work (Timur Tabi)
Confessions of a Linux Hypocrite ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Software RAID ("Jason from The Workshop")
Re: Best Distro For Newbie.... (Rod Smith)
Amount of time Linux is running (Andy Kinsey)
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From: "Jay" <jayp@*spamfree*datainn.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Dump account
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:21:02 +1300
Seems the easiest solution was to create a single pop account and then use a
fallback address to point to that pop - then the clients mailserver
distributes the mail to separate inboxes - any no such users are sent to a
predetermined recipient.
Cheers
Jay
Jay wrote in message ...
>Creating a single pop account which is basically [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
having
>all other usernames *@domain.com also stored so that their mailserver can
>collect it all and then distribute it accordingly (they are running MS
>Exchange and is up to them to sort out the distribution) I just need to be
>able to have it not bounce and sit in their folder awaiting collection.
>Tried using a "fallback address" yesterday (am a Linux newbie so was
>guessing) they then recieved 260 msgs from my "3" test emails!!!!!
>
>Jay
>
>
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From: Michael Lauzon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Best Distro For Newbie....
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:30:02 -0000
What is the best Linux distro for a newbie to learn on?
Michael
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OK, [CENSOR] MOUSE!
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:30:10 -0000
Shan J. Gill wrote:
>
>
> For background:
> How is your mouse cursor config'd in the XF86Config file - hardware or
> software?
>
uh.huh?
what or where is xfe8config? sorry, i m alittle new to linux, A TOTAL
DUMBASS! (no flaming please, my first post in a linux group anyway)
> Check under your video display settings - what does it say? Do you see
> "sw_cursor"?
>
cant answer that until i know where to look for it.
the only thing i know about my hardware is in the um.... configuration
utility, my mouse was detected by orginal setting, its a first mouse +,
it "is" detected, and works fine, i just dont know how come it doesnt show
the cursor, can you or anyone help me get my cursor back?
and by the way, if anyone have time, show me how to set up my modem, or
something so i can do some dial up for my internet.
like in windows, the file is .dun, with the PPP, and stuff, but in linux,
i see no SLIP(duh, it should have it in linux, but i dont see it anywhere
in the modem settings), i see something like...SAP, or terminal window,
etc.
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > After I installed WinLinux 2000 into my computer, everthing is detected
> > fine, except my Maxer Gamer TNT2 Ultra 32MB, but i choose Maxer Gamer
8MB,
> > it works fine, when i reboot my computer, and into linux, successfully
> > run, but I cant see my mouse cursor, I can see it's working but I cant
see
> > the damn cursor. I mean, when i click and hold on the destop, and drag
it,
> > i can see the box, and i can click buttons, but i cant see it, anyone
know
> > anything to resolve this? I got this Winlinux 2000 from Maximum Linux
mag.
> >
> >
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From: Reiner Griess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem compiling kernel
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:27:55 +0100
Hi there!
I'm sitting here giving my best to compile kernel 2.2.16-22. The error
is:
ip_masq.c: In function `ip_fw_demasquerade':
ip_masq.c:1932: `IP_MASQ_F_DLOOSE' undeclared (first use this
function)
make[3]: *** [ip_masq.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.0-pre5/net/ipv4'
make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.0-pre5/net/ipv4'
make[1]: *** [_subdir_ipv4] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.0-pre5/net'
make: *** [_dir_net] Error 2
What does it mean? What's the problem with ip_masq.o I need
masquerading and deja.com has no answers for me :(
greets
reiner
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From: Francisco Javier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CD Recording
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:09:03 +0100
I have one external unit connected to parallel port. I need decrease the
parport delay from 1 to 0. How do I it?
Thanks a lot!
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OK, [CENSOR] MOUSE!
Date: 8 Nov 2000 20:54:24 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Shan J. Gill wrote:
:> How is your mouse cursor config'd in the XF86Config file - hardware or
:> software?
: uh.huh?
: what or where is xfe8config? sorry, i m alittle new to linux, A TOTAL
He didn't write that. Be very careful with case and content. Since you
don't know where it (what he DID write) is, look for it, don't ask! As
you don't know how to look, ask "how do I look for a file" first, or
better, go to linuxnewbie.org or read the unix and linux faqs and have
such questions answered for you at a level of your own choosing.
: cant answer that until i know where to look for it.
So ... !
: and by the way, if anyone have time, show me how to set up my modem, or
: something so i can do some dial up for my internet.
No way! (I.e. Go find out :-). It's all heavily documented, in
obvious places. You are about to embark on a learning experience. Heh,
it should take you about two days to figure out the structure of your
directories. Simply traverse every one, noting what's in it. When you
find the HOWTOs and FAQs, read them.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem compiling kernel
Date: 8 Nov 2000 20:59:47 GMT
Reiner Griess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I'm sitting here giving my best to compile kernel 2.2.16-22. The error
: ip_masq.c: In function `ip_fw_demasquerade':
: ip_masq.c:1932: `IP_MASQ_F_DLOOSE' undeclared (first use this
: function)
: make[3]: *** [ip_masq.o] Error 1
: make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.0-pre5/net/ipv4'
: make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
: make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.0-pre5/net/ipv4'
: make[1]: *** [_subdir_ipv4] Error 2
: make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.0-pre5/net'
: make: *** [_dir_net] Error 2
: What does it mean? What's the problem with ip_masq.o I need
: masquerading and deja.com has no answers for me :(
One obvious thing wrong is that you're not in the 2.2.16-22 directory.
Another thing wrong is that you're using 2.2.16-22 instead of
a pristine 2.2.16. Another thing wrong is that you're using 2.2.16
instead of 2.2.17.
Taken altogether, you don't have much hope! You didn't say but that
looks like a redhat adulteration so try bothering them about it.
I would suspect you've unarchived one kernel source over another
kernel source directory, with result = hopeless mess. Either that
or you applied patches to the wrong things and didn't notice
about 90% of the failures. Just my guesses, in the absence of info ..
Peter
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From: Gary Parnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: mmap() vs. lseek() on /dev/mem
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:48:14 -0600
Okay, I don't know what subtlety I'm missing here...
I'm trying to access kernel memory from user space. A simple way to
access kernel RAM is, of course, using lseek() on /dev/mem as root.
lseek'ing lets me browse the virtual memory space on an x86 box (from
0xC0000000 up to end of RAM) quite nicely. But if I want to browse the
memory mapped portions of a PCI peripheral, I end up having to use
mmap() with the physical bus address of the PCI peripheral.
What I'm looking for is a common way to access both kernel RAM and PCI
memory space. The lseek technique doesn't seem to work in the PCI
memory space, and the mmap() technique doesn't seem to work in kernel
RAM space. I've tried playing with all sorts of permutations, but
nothing seems to work.
Why am I encountering problems?
Thanks in advance...
--Gary Parnes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: running telnet automatically
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:52:46 GMT
I'm trying to develop a Perl script that connects on a remote host using
telnet, logs in, runs some commands and logs out. The commands' outputs
will be processed by the script and then printed. This script must run
in a web server (Apache).
Does it worth to use sockets in the Perl script? Or is there any
solution to automatize the running of commands through telnet (maybe
using telnet scripts...)?
Thanks.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Distro For Newbie....
Date: 8 Nov 2000 21:00:21 GMT
Michael Lauzon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: What is the best Linux distro for a newbie to learn on?
Slackware. (or possibly monkey linux ...)
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: How to compile wi/ optimization?
Date: 8 Nov 2000 21:19:44 GMT
In article <8uad33$j86$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nathan Weston wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl) wrote:
>> In article <8u81gr$l58$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nathan Weston wrote:
>> >I am a relative newbie to linux, and have mostly been installing things from
>> >rpms, but I am hearing a lot of "compile yourself, it will be faster,
>> >optimized for your machine, etc" I have been building a few things from
>> >source lately, mostly Qt and KDE, but I am wondering how I can make sure that
>> >everything is being optimized properly. Do the configure scripts bundled wi/
>> >most software automatically detect what architecture I am using and turn on
>> >the right optimizations, or do I have to go through and do this myself? What
>> >compiler or configure options are used to turn on optimizations?
>> [-]
[-]
>> -march :: Optimise for a specific CPU
>> -mcpu :: Optimise for a specific CPU *and* generate CPU specific code
[-]
>What options are recognized by -march and -mcpu?
>Is it i6868, or pentiumII, or what?
[-]
See info gcc for more but for an Intel installation (the man page
is not up to date at all) ...
[-mcpu=pentium(pro)] -march=pentium(pro) for instance
... and scores of others for different architectures, but I presume
you've got in Intel PC and those are not that optimisation friendly
anyway.
Oh yes, and avoid -fschedule-insns and fschedule-insns2 on Intel's
too as while one can enable them you'll be straight on the road to
hell then.
For long running applications like heavily used servers you may
consider -fprofile-arcs (again see the documentation for more) as
it can help the compiler to optimise those hot spots. Cannot say
much about it though as none of my stuff here bogs down the machine
enough and so I never really cared.
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: running telnet automatically
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:28:33 GMT
In article <8uceeq$8uc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I'm trying to develop a Perl script that connects on a remote host using
>telnet, logs in, runs some commands and logs out. The commands' outputs
>will be processed by the script and then printed. This script must run
>in a web server (Apache).
>Does it worth to use sockets in the Perl script? Or is there any
>solution to automatize the running of commands through telnet (maybe
>using telnet scripts...)?
Take a look at netcat:
http://www.l0pht.com/~weld/netcat/readme.html
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From: Doug Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: is linux good for graphic design?
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:30:08 -0000
I would do anything to drive bill into the ground. So I want to use linux.
Is it any good for doing graphic production? And do I need a special
version of all my software to use it on linux?
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From: "Me" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: network slow in linux, fast in win...
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:34:00 +1100
Check to see what IRQ your friend is using. IRQ 12 can play funny games on
PC's sometimes. Try using 10
"Matt Warnock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Yes, you're right, its NE2000 compatable. its an ISA card. Not sure
> what you mean about the PnP/dynamically assicned recources, but i
> turned off the PnP for the card, so it runs on IRQ 12 at address
> 0x02A0. So it probably doesn't make a difference. As for new
> drivesr, i'm using kernel 2.2.16 that comes w/ Mandrake, and the NE
> module thats in it. This problem first started w/ RH, when me and
> another guy on my floor had this problem. When he installed mandrake,
> his net connection went throught the roof, mine stayed the same.
>
> any other ideas? Thanks for your help!
>
> On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 08:40:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob
> Kroll) wrote:
>
> >
> >"Linksys" NE2000? Isn't the NE2000 card made by Novell? Perhaps you mean
> >NE2000 compatible?
> >
> >Doesn't matter. You've got the latest drivers for the card? Are you using
a
> >PCI or an ISA card? Are you using PnP/dynamically assigned resources, or
> >statically assigned resources? (Despite what you may have heard, most
> >BIOS's will allow you to reserve IRQ's and I/O addresses for specific PCI
> >slots.)
> >
> >I've got the exact opposite: my 'net runs faster under Linux than under
> >Windows. I'm pretty sure it is because of the MaxMTU setting, which under
> >windows is currently 1500, while under Linux it is 1492. (Configured by
the
> >PPPoE software.) I'm too lazy to go into Windows registry, because the
> >Windows really is just a dummy box to test the connection under a
different
> >O/S should my ISP demand it. Believe it or not, they actually support
> >Linux. Well, RedHat and Corel. But it's a start :)
> >
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Allen)
Subject: Re: Can't get "ln -sf" to work
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:33:10 GMT
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:15:30 GMT, Timur Tabi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Could someone explain this to me please:
(SNIP)
>[root@one src]# ln -s -f linux-2.2.14 --target-directory=linux
>ln: linux/.: cannot overwrite directory
>[root@one src]#
>
>I specified the -f flag, so why doesn't it delete the target and force
>the link?
I just enter it like this:
# ln -sf linux-2.2.14 linux
This creates
linux --> linux-2.2.14
In keeping with C tradition, 'ln' first specifies the target pathname
(the file you are linking TO) and then the source (the link you are
creating).
-Lee Allen
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From: Andreas Hartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.dev.kernel,linux.redhat.misc,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Problem with kernel-2.4.0-test9
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:32:13 +0100
Nick Cheng wrote:
> Dear sirs,
> I've found I not the only one who find something's wrong with new
> kernel. That is , When I build kernel 2.4.0-test9 on my PC with IDE
> disk , It's
> all OK.
> But When I build it on DELL 6450, SCSI/RAID on it, It's wrong.
> When I use Redhat 6.2 , or when I build 2.2.17, everything's OK. all
> the
> modules I need to add to the kernel is eppro100.o for NIC , aix7xxx.o for
> SCSI and megaraid.o for RAID.
> But when I download 2.4.0-test9, and config it with the same
> configuation
> with before, It's wrong. it tell me:
> ....
> Megaraid : v107 (December 22.1999)
> Megaraid : found 0x8086:0x1960: in 03:0b.1
> Megaraid : board configured for I2O,ignoring this card .Reconfigure the
> card.
> Medaraid : in the BIOS for "mass storage" to use it with this driver.
> VFS : Cannot open root device "801" or 08:01
> Please append a correct "root=" boot option
> Kernel panic :VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 08:01
>
> ...
> and system halted. I don't know what to do. I've selected the Ramdisk ,the
> support of I2O, and not use the modules in the new kernel, I add all of
> the modules into kernel. but nothing happened.
> (when I try to rpm to new kernel from Redhat 7.0 by using the disc2, it's
> all the same.)
Why don't you use the 2.4.0test10-kernel? According to Linus Torvalds it is
pretty stable and without greater bugs (showstopper). I'm just working on
it!
Greetings,
Andreas
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From: muzh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ABIT Hot Rod 100 IDE RAID adapter and Linux?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:10:43 +1300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I use Abit BE6. 2 normal IDE connectors plus 2 UDMA-66 connectors. All
work fine in linux, though to use the UDMA-66 features you need UDMA66
support in the kernel -- either a late 2.3x/2.4x or a patched 2.2x kernel.
David Sisk wrote:
> Anyone familiar with this ABIT product or any other ABIT product? Their
> site (www.abit-usa.com) states that this device is supported by Linux, but
> the manual doesn't mention Linux, only Win9x and NT. Anyone using one of
> these in a Linux box? I've heard that ABIT makes quite good stuff, and
> this board supports RAID0, RAID1, and RAID10 with up to 4 IDE drives, and
> is less
> than $40, so it's very attractive. Please post or email!
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
>
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From: "Giampaolo Tomassoni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Software RAID
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:11:05 GMT
"U. Siegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi folks,
> anybody out there having experience with Software-RAID?
I have few software Raid1 installations. No Raid0 nor Raid5, 'cause they
don't seem so usefull to me.
One installation has been in heavy use by more than a year, others by many
months. Still no problem (shouldn't say this?).
However, the RAID modules shipping with the kernel seem unable to correctly
handle LinuxRaid partitions (those with 0xFD type), nor background
reconstruction, so one would need complex initrd scripts to get the system
up and running.
Luckly enough, I found a raid0/1/4/5 patch (probably by Ingo Molnar and Gadi
Oxman) adding support of those nice things to 2.2.11 and, with few
adjustments, to the latest 2.2.x kernels.
You may identify the kind of raid modules you are using by looking for the
entry dev/md/speed-limit in /proc: the modules I use do create it, while the
2.0 and 2.2 native ones don't.
I'm quite happy with the software Raid1 modules I'm using, but the lack of
native support and the fact that there is actually no Linux distribution (to
my knowledge) that lets initialize a Raid1 device and there install the OS,
makes me spend a lot of time everytime I have to install a new system.
By the way, does anybody know why the 2.2.x kernels still doesn't support
Molnar & Oxman software raid modules?
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From: "Jason from The Workshop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: is linux good for graphic design?
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:35:56 -0600
Sadly, no. While Linux has some very strong apps like Gimp, the Gimp
doesn't do CMYK. That and XWindows less then stellar font support can
create a few hang ups. But, give it a try. If you aren't looking at running
a graphics business, then maybe you can live with RGB graphics instead of
CMYK. Good luck.
--
Jason
www.cyborgworkshop.com
...and the geek shall inherit the earth...
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From: Timur Tabi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't get "ln -sf" to work
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:28:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In keeping with C tradition, 'ln' first specifies the target pathname
> (the file you are linking TO) and then the source (the link you are
> creating).
I know that, and I'm doing it correctly. Try this:
1. ln -sf linux-2.2.14 linux (which you've already done)
2. mkdir temp
3. ln -sf temp linux
Let me know if /usr/src/linux is a soft link to /usr/src/temp.
--
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Remove "nospam_" from my email address when replying
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Confessions of a Linux Hypocrite
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:29:25 GMT
The most recent "California Computer News" has a funny editorial about
merits of Linux vs. Windows -- "Confessions of a Linux Hypocrite."
http://www.ccnmag.com/Nov00/editorsdesk.htm
Nerdjohn
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From: "Jason from The Workshop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Software RAID
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:42:10 -0600
redhat 6.2 lets you install on a software RAID partition. Redhat 6.1 does
also now that I think of it and even has a nice GUI frontend to create the
partition. Its what I have been using for some time now, not that raidtab
is hard, but it sure beats installing, creating the array and then
migrating.
--
Jason
www.cyborgworkshop.com
...and the geek shall inherit the earth...
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Best Distro For Newbie....
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:02:31 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Lauzon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What is the best Linux distro for a newbie to learn on?
That depends on your intent. If you want to learn Unix-isms without any
GUI "crutches," Debian and Slackware should both do nicely. You CAN use
other distributions without their GUIs, but the more GUI-centric the
distribution is, the more it seems to rely on weird and
poorly-documented configuration files for storing critical information
that's normally presented in the GUI tools. This can make it difficult
to do anything without the GUI.
If you want to use Linux, and aren't particularly concerned with
learning "the Unix way," there are lots of other options. I've got some
reviews at http://www.rodsbooks.com/distribs/.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: Andy Kinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Amount of time Linux is running
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:06:06 -0500
I know there's a command to type which will show how long a Linux box
has been running, but I can't remember what it is (and I looked in all
of my documentation). Can anyone help jog my feeble memory???
Thanks in advance,
Andy
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