Linux-Misc Digest #277, Volume #21                Tue, 3 Aug 99 18:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Add Compaq LJ700 printer and what quality ("Richard Nunez")
  Visioneer 6100B Color Scanner (Habibie4m)
  Re: a really hard "hardware" problem (Yousuf Khan)
  Re: Problems with LILO and kernel size. (Cameron L. Spitzer)
  Re: Magic SysRq (was Re: Linux has finally crashed) (Philip W. Darnowsky)
  LXNY Meeting Tuesday 3 August 1999: Introduction to PGP ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: helping the Third World (Donovan Rebbechi)
  Re: RH 6.0 and Iomega PP zip driver ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Booting w/o root pass ("Vidar Andersen")
  Re: Temp monitor prog for Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: SVGATextMode with Riva TNT (Diamond Viper V550) (root)
  Re: diagramming tool ("William J. Chimiak")
  units 1.55 (Adrian Mariano)
  Re: GDP (MK)
  Re: Apache and ASP ("Ron G")
  Re: DOSLinux Questions (Adam)
  Re: ICQ and linux client (Stewart Honsberger)
  Re: Temp monitor prog for Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Booting w/o root pass ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: RedHat-5.2 and news.. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: "Richard Nunez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.linux.os,alt.os.linux
Subject: Add Compaq LJ700 printer and what quality
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:20:27 -0500

I have a question or two.  I want to setup a linux box to serve a few
computers for home use.  I want to know what would the quality of printing
be if I would let my Linux box server as a print server to a Compaq LJ700
Color Printer.  Right now I have it shared off of my NT box.

I know I could just put some sort of box and have all the computers
connected with parallel cables, but I know that is overkill.  I also have an
HP DeskJet 520 (black & white) and I know the quality is of no consiquence
since I use it only for printing B/W and text documents.

P.S.  Could someone point me to someone or document that isn't so
technically inclined so I get this box up as a proxy server so my wife and I
can both use the internet at the same time.

About me:     I know a lot of linux and know what I need to know along the
way.  I have had much success in areas of dhcp, dns, web server, ftp
service, Window Manager configuration, kernal upgrades and such, but this is
a major step for me.

About my network:  2 laptops (1 is NT, 2nd is Win98) (mine)
                                   1 Win98 (wife's)
                                    1 NT Server/Linux (mine)
                                    1 Linux (PPro 200 MMX, 128 RAM, 4 GB HD)
(mine also)
*All are connected with Network cards and cabled to a Hub running TCP/IP.


DO I HAVE A LOT OF PCs TO MYSELF OR WHAT?!?





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From: Habibie4m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Visioneer 6100B Color Scanner
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:12:16 -0400

Hi,

I am in need of a scanner and found an inexpensive one: Visioneed 6100B
Color Scanner.  It is available at the local Office Depot for US$60
(after the rebate).  The question is if this scanner will work under
Linux OS.

Can anyone please respond?

-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

PS. Remove "4m" from e-mail address to enable reply.

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From: Yousuf Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: a really hard "hardware" problem
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:00:02 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Helmut Artmeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi out there!!
>
> i am working on a Linux/IrDA problem (IrLAN, IrCOMM, IrLPT....) and i
am
>
> using dag brattli's irdadump for debugging...

  <snip>

> is anyone out there on earth, who can explain me this debugging
> information. maybe someone knows irdadump and all possible output
> messages...

Hi, sorry, can't be of any help on the utility itself, but you might be
more successful if you want to change the subject to be a bit more
specific about your problems, such "Understanding IrdaDump output", and
also posting to a more relevant group such as c.o.l.hardware.

    Yousuf Khan


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: Problems with LILO and kernel size.
Date: 3 Aug 1999 16:06:06 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dominique Micollet wrote:
>Dave Davenport wrote:
>> 
>> kernel I've been able to compile has been about 1.2 megs.  Is there
>> anything I'm missing or will I have to pare more support out of it?

Most of the times people complain of a kernel over 1 MB, it turns out they're
talking about the uncompressed object file, not the bootimage.
Don't try to install vmlinux in LILO.


>make bzImage

In other words, the file you want to install in LILO is produced as
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage
and you should copy it to the BIOS-accessible directory where you will
map it with /sbin/lilo.

Cameron


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip W. Darnowsky)
Subject: Re: Magic SysRq (was Re: Linux has finally crashed)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:22:19 GMT

William Burrow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:13:39 GMT,
: Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:16:12 -0700, Tom Emerson
: ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
: >An interesting thing about this is that the net effect of all of this
: >is that the user does not actually communicate directly to the
: >mainframe; all communications goes through that "terminal controller"
: >proxy.

: Modern PCs are WinComputers to mainframers. :)  (Like WinModems....)

ahemahemLinuxahem...

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until you get to the office.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,nyc.seminars
Subject: LXNY Meeting Tuesday 3 August 1999: Introduction to PGP
Date: 3 Aug 1999 20:43:22 GMT

LXNY will next meet on Tuesday 3 August 1999 in the IBM building
at 57th Street and Madison Avenue on the Island of Manhattan.

This meeting is free and open to the public.

The meeting starts at 6:30 pm and runs until 9:00 pm.  Enter the building
on the corner of 57th Street and Madison Avenue and ask at the front desk
for the room number.

At exactly 9:00 pm many members will repair to our traditional place of
refreshment, Kaplan's Delicatessen on 59th Street, between Madison and
Park.

PGP is the standard for securing Internet Email.  GNU Privacy Guard is the
free replacement for encumbered versions of PGP.  Though not complete
today, it is already adequate to protect your email if you are running a
*BSD or Linux kerneled free system.

http://www.d.shuttle.de/isil/gnupg

Brad Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> will explain the history, some of the theory, and
most importantly, the practice, of using PGP to secure and authenticate
the individual free OS user's email.

Those who know what is required at a key signing should bring the
necessaries.  Those who do not will learn something of this ceremony.

Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org


LXNY is an organization in support of the Free Software Movement, and we
welcome all supporters of free software, whether or not you run, or even
like, the Linux kernel, gcc, clisp, cmucl, gcl, cfengine, bc, ABS, Amanda,
Bash, Bison, Yacc, COAS, Eddie, Elegant, Emacs, vim, Erlang, Essence,
FreeDOS, Sather, SmallEiffel, Jacal, apache, the FreeBSD kernel, chimera,
fvwm, fftw, Octave, GNOME, Guile, gawk, Hello, Jikes, KDE, Perl, Python,
fortune, the Hurd, Gwydion's not-quite-Dylan, Ocaml, oleo, XFree, Gamora,
gdbm, gmp, gnat, gimp, gnuProlog, TeX, gs, gv, Intercal, lilo, fips, mlos,
rpm, mocka, PM, Gambit, R, readline, qscheme, SIAG, siod, SCM, SLIB,
Screamer, Stalin, STk, sendmail, procmail, Squeak, SML/NJ, stBasic, units,
xscreensaver, XLispStat, XXL, ZOPE, zsh, etc..

What is Free Software?  http://www.fsf.org

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: 3 Aug 1999 16:55:46 -0400

On 3 Aug 1999 20:22:06 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On 3 Aug 1999 12:15:11 -0400, Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>ammassed fortunes and managed to keep all or most of it for themselves
>and out of the hand of socialist maggots such as yourself.

Insults are such a great way to communicate when you are unable to 
post a coherent argument.

>Too bad that the great Soviet Experiment couln't have gone on a bit
>longer, eh Donovan?  

Irrelevant. Redistribution is a *reality* in all modern, succesful countries,
*including* the US.

[ pathetic incoherent off-topic strawman argument snipped ]

-- 
Donovan

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 and Iomega PP zip driver
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:10:54 GMT

"Maurice Poisson A." wrote:
> 
> Had the same message in COL 2.2 until I reconfigured my PCs BIOS to use
> an ECP or EPP port, but not ECP/EPP.
> From then on I've been able to use the Zip doing 'insmod ppa' as root
> before mounting it.
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Burg
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:31:12 -0400, Andre Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >    I also have a new install of RH6.0 and I cannot get the PP Zip working
> > >either, (even though it works fine on my Debian Linux Installation on
> > >another machine).
> > >I tried 'modprobe ppa' as G-man suggests. The computer responds with.
> > >
> > >    /lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.0:  init_module: Device or Resource Busy
> > >
> >
> > Yes, I've had exactly the same experience before. I eventually gave up, since
> > I
> > couldn't get the PP zip drive to work on that machine under NT either. I just
> > assumed that the PP was broken or something.
> >
> > John Burg

Same problem i had with slackware 4.0.... took me forever to figure
out.  you must do the following (as root)
rmmod lp            (put this back in later if you need it)
insmod parport
insmod parport_pc   (undocumented as far as i can see)
insmod ppa          (try imm if you have a newer one)
mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip (assuming /mnt/zip exists)

i spose modprobe will work as well as insmod *shrug*

iomega puts a vfat fs on all of their disks to help ppl who don't know
how to format it, but they put it on partition 4 for some reason.  feel
free to partition it however you want (just make sure you fdisk the zip
drive and not your hard drive:-p)

Latenar

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From: "Vidar Andersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Booting w/o root pass
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:43:36 -0700

Hi !
Hmmz, I'm having _some_ trouble booting, when I lost my root pass :(
So what I did, was asking around, how I could work around the problem, since
I have "fysical access" to my computer..
(I used SuSE 6.0 at the time..)
I got several tips.. (at LILO BOOT (and my linux-partition was named
"linux"))

Linux S
Linux Single
Linux 1

then I should go straight to the console, without being asked for the root
pass to logon.. But I didn't, I'd still have to know that.. So I
re-installed, but this time I installed RedHat 6.0... And I thought; "let's
try those boot-options again"
Well, the linux S/Single didn't work, but the linux 1 worked, so that I had
access for doing a 'passwd' then init 3 or reboot...
I used the Linux kernel on both, so why didn't it work on my SuSE distr.,
and how can I work around it with SuSE?

-Newbie, Vidar Andersen-



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Temp monitor prog for Linux?
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:48:55 GMT



Maybe you should try this: http://www.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/support.html

get lm_sensors and install module for the w83782d chipset..
then you can run "sensors" from command line, or download wmlm for a X
monitoring util that reads lm_sensors info..


Enjoy!
--Hans

In article <378bd4db$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Paul Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Does anyone know of a Linux program that is similar to the windows
program
> Motherboard Monitor 4 which can display the temperature of my CPUs on
an
> Abit BP6 motherboard?
>
> I'm running kernel 2.2.5 on a dual overclocked Celery 450A and really
am
> curious what the temps are compared to running NT.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Paul Schmidt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>


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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: SVGATextMode with Riva TNT (Diamond Viper V550)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:19:42 +0200

Michael Champagne wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to setup SVGATextMode with my Diamond Viper V550 and I'm unable to
> find any documentation on my chip's clock settings.  The chip is a RIVA TNT,
> and in my XConfig it doesn't seem refer to the clock settings.  Anyone know
> where I can get some information on setting up SVGATextMode with this
> hardware?  Thanks.

I had the same problem with a Banshee card (3dfx). I am afraid there is
no hope for us with SVGATextMode. This is what the author says:

[QUOTE]
As of version 1.9, I (Koen gadeyne) will no longer continue development
or
support of the SVGATextMode package (perhaps barring important bug
fixes).

Unless someone takes over, this means SVGATextMode is, well... "dead".

Reasons for this decision are:

* reduced interest in SVGATextMode, as hardware is getting so fast and
  memory so abundant that running Xwindows all of the time is no longer
a
  problem. Older machines not comfortable with X are generally supported
by
  STM. 
  
* Linux 2.2 (and newer versions) contain kernel support for graphical
  textmodes (vesafb). Although it uses a totally different approach than
  STM, it can replace most of its functionality.
  
* it is getting more and more difficult to get suitable documentation
from
  VGA chip makers, especially for a niche product as SVGATextMode. Even
the
  XFree86 people are running into this obstacle every day. It is
impossible
  to write an SVGATextMode driver without those docs.

* It is also extremely difficult to write a good driver for hardware I
don't
  have. I obviously don't want to buy every new VGA card, and donations
are
  extremely rare (I count ONE in the four years of STM's existence).
  
* most recent VGA cards are very louzy textmode performers. Actually all
the
  ones I could check are bad. This is due to the use of synchronous
  memories, as explained in the FAQ. This means an STM driver is less
and
  less attractive compared to a graphical solution like the linux
VESAFB.
  Modern VGA controllers are much more difficult to set up. More work
for
  less results? Hmm...
  
* GGI, if it ever matures, will also be able to replace STM, and it will
  actually be much less of a risk in terms of screwing up your text
  console...
  
* ... and some less technical reasons :-)
[/QUOTE]

-- 
P. Gaudron

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From: "William J. Chimiak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: diagramming tool
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:27:54 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lee Doolan wrote:

> is anyone aware of an open/free graphical diagramming
> tool (a la visio or vthought) for linux??
>
> -lee

I use xfig.  It is not perfect, but I do most network diagramming with
it.

--
Bill Chimiak                            [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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From: Adrian Mariano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce,gnu.utils.bug,alt.sources.d
Subject: units 1.55
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:43:30 -0400 (EDT)

GNU units version 1.55 is now available from

   ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/units/units-1.55.tar.gz
   (and mirrors of that site - see below)

GNU units is a flexible program for units conversion.  It comes with
an annotated, extendible database defining over two thousand units.

Changes since version 1.54:

* Added over 600 new units and corrected errors in the units data file.
* Minor bug fix affecting unit name completion.

Version 1.55 includes the new 1998 values for the physical constants.





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  Executables for various systems and information about using gzip can be
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  For information on how to order GNU software on CD-ROM and
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  The above software will soon be at these ftp sites as well.
  Please try them before ftp.gnu.org as ftp.gnu.org is very busy!
  A possibly more up-to-date list is at the URL
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  thanx [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Here are the mirrored ftp sites for the GNU Project, listed by country:

  
  
  United States:
  
  
  California - labrea.stanford.edu/pub/gnu, gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/GNU
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  Missouri - wuarchive.wustl.edu/systems/gnu
  New Mexico - ftp.cs.unm.edu/mirrors/gnu
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  Virginia - ftp.uu.net/archive/systems/gnu
  Washington - ftp.nodomainname.net/pub/mirrors/gnu
  
  Africa:
  
  South Africa - ftp.sun.ac.za/gnu
  
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  Brazil - ftp.unicamp.br/pub/gnu
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  Brazil - linuxlabs.lci.ufrj.br/gnu
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  Chile - ftp.inf.utfsm.cl/pub/gnu (Internet address 146.83.198.3)
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  Mexico - ftp.uaem.mx/pub/gnu
  
  Australia:
  
  Australia - archie.au/gnu (archie.oz or archie.oz.au for ACSnet)
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  Japan - tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/pub/GNU/prep
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  Austria - ftp.univie.ac.at/packages/gnu
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  Poland - ftp.task.gda.pl/pub/gnu
  Portugal - ftp.ci.uminho.pt/pub/mirrors/gnu 
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  Sweden - ftp.sunet.se/pub/gnu (Internet address 130.238.127.3)
           Also mirrors the Mailing List Archives.
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  Switzerland - sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/gnu (Internet address 193.5.24.1)
  United Kingdom - ftp.mcc.ac.uk/pub/gnu (Internet address 130.88.203.12)
  United Kingdom - unix.hensa.ac.uk/mirrors/gnu
  United Kingdom - ftp.warwick.ac.uk (Internet address 137.205.192.14)
  United Kingdom - SunSITE.doc.ic.ac.uk/gnu (Internet address 193.63.255.4)
  
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GDP
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:39:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 1 Aug 1999 22:37:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
wrote:


>The
>GDP measures toxic waste cleanup as a positive.

Idiotic.

> If you produce pollution
>then pay to clean it up, you've gained in GDP, whereas if you count the
>wealth generated from coal and *subtract* the cost of cleaning the
>pollution generated by that industry you learn that the entire industry
>is actually sucking wealth from the larger economy.

OK: reduce pollution by getting rid of that coal, and freeze to death
in the winter.

How about that? After all, it is good for the larger economy.

>GDP measures only how much people slave away, it doesn't measure how
>much actual *wealth* is generated by the economy. Under the GDP, leisure,
>health, the environment all have exactly zero value.

Shrug. Asking GDP to show that is like asking stats of crude oil
production to show happiness of the people. Do you blame meteorogical
devices for not showing people's mood? There also is National
Nominal Income factor, how about that? There are dozens of
coefficients.

If you mean _economy et large_ not taking many factors into account,
then you talk rubbish. Enter Amartya Sen, who received Nobel
prize for methods of introducing factors like longevity, education and
environmental pollution into economical analysis.





Marcin Krol

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From: "Ron G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,linux.dev.config,no.it.os.unix.linux.diverse,no.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Apache and ASP
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:03:49 -0400

I've heard of a few approaches.  One was already posted in response to your
question.  Here's another: http://www.chilisoft.com

Joffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7o3s2q$s3e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Does Apache support ASP?
>
>



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From: Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DOSLinux Questions
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:30:35 GMT

It would be great... if your CD-ROM is supported.

Philip Shore wrote:
> It looks very good - better than ZipSlack (a version of Slackware you
> can just unzip and then run the DOS linux loader to get going).
> 
> The first time I tried Linux was with the Slackware live filesystem on
> CD. All the read only stuff is kept on CD with just links to it on your
> hard disk. A bit slow obviously but takes hardly any disk space.
> 
> Linux is so damn versatile!
> 
> This looks almost as easy as Win95 to install. Infact, it wouldn't take
> that much for people to get an image together that worked for their
> configuration of components and stick on the hardisk when the sold the
> PC - just like they do for other software. Somebody should sell this
> service to Dell or Compaq or whoever then just send me some commission
> for the idea! 8-)
> 
> Phil.
> 
> 
> 
> Brett Castleberry wrote:
> > 
> > ftp://ftp.tux.org/people/kent-robotti/doslinux/
> > 
> > --
> > Brett G. Castleberry
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Tallahassee, Florida
> > mike murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > I have a question for You.
> > >
> > > What is DosLinux & where can I read about it..??
> > >


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: ICQ and linux client
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:24:51 GMT

On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:45:24 +0000, Philipp Maier wrote:
>> man I tell you I have spent the WHOLE day triing to get a client for ICQ
>> that will work...not a dam***** thing...nothing,.....what a drag...think I
>> will sleep now....help!!!!!!!
>
>Do you use KDE? If so, try KXICQ. It works just fine, expect that you
>cannot transfer files...

Have you tried LICQ? It comes with support for file transfers.

http://licq.org

-- 
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Temp monitor prog for Linux?
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:53:12 GMT

Sorry. Correction:
The right URL for lm_sensor is

http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/
or
http://www.netroedge.com/~lm78/


--Hans


In article <378bd4db$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Paul Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Does anyone know of a Linux program that is similar to the windows
program
> Motherboard Monitor 4 which can display the temperature of my CPUs on
an
> Abit BP6 motherboard?
>
> I'm running kernel 2.2.5 on a dual overclocked Celery 450A and really
am
> curious what the temps are compared to running NT.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Paul Schmidt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Booting w/o root pass
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:05:09 GMT

Vidar Andersen wrote:
> 
> Hi !
> Hmmz, I'm having _some_ trouble booting, when I lost my root pass :(
:-p

> So what I did, was asking around, how I could work around the problem, since
> I have "fysical access" to my computer..
> (I used SuSE 6.0 at the time..)
> I got several tips.. (at LILO BOOT (and my linux-partition was named
> "linux"))
> 
> Linux S
> Linux Single
> Linux 1
> 
> then I should go straight to the console, without being asked for the root
> pass to logon.. But I didn't, I'd still have to know that.. So I
> re-installed, but this time I installed RedHat 6.0... And I thought; "let's
> try those boot-options again"
> Well, the linux S/Single didn't work, but the linux 1 worked, so that I had
> access for doing a 'passwd' then init 3 or reboot...
> I used the Linux kernel on both, so why didn't it work on my SuSE distr.,
> and how can I work around it with SuSE?
> 
for this particular thing, the actualy kernel has nothing to do with it
(well..).  it is determined by your startup scripts.  try editing rc.S
or rc.1 in the /etc, /etc/rc.d or /etc/rc.boot directory...also might
have something to do with what init version you are using

the way i would get around it (if the LILO options don't work) would be
to boot off of a floppy.  one might use the instilation boot/root
floppies, or there is an excellent root-boot floppy available called
tomsrtbt http://www.toms.net/rb .  this includes many tools such as (i
think) passwd, or if all else fails edit the /etc/shadow (if you have
one, if not use /etc/passwd) and simply take out the root password then
reboot off of hd and hit enter for the password of root.  if you are
connected to a network, reboot in single-user (using methods above) so
no one logs on while you are fixing it

the third method is to install a backdoor -- not very secure for
somewhat obvious reasons

the only problem with the second suggestion (floppies) is that if you
can't get it to recognise whatever your root partition is on (ie you
can't get the scsi hardrive to be recognised) then you have to hope
there is someone else with your hardrive that has a disk that works. 
its not a bad idea to have a boot floppy around anyhow in case someone
breaks into your system and changes root passwd AND startup scripts,
your root partition becomes so corrupted it can't find fsck, to replace
libc.so, etc.  tomsrtbt is also customizable if you follow the
directions so passwd, certain controllers etc can added even if they are
not included with the current distro.

> -Newbie, Vidar Andersen-

Latenar

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RedHat-5.2 and news..
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:40:10 GMT

ishwar rattan wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> I am running ReadHat-5.2 (kernel-2.2.10) on a dual Pentium PC.
> 
> I use `trn' to read news from school's server (specified via environment
> var NNTPSERVER).
> 
or in the file in /etc

> Is thre a way to post or reply to news articles too? What other software
> pieces do I need to make it work?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> - ishwar

trn can post to:
when, at the end of an article, it says "What next? [...]" just type
F - post a Follow up and include the article
f - post a clean Follow up
R - reply via email and include the article
r - reply via email with no quotation
reading through multiple pages of odd commands after hitting h can be
difficult, i know

Latenar

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