Linux-Misc Digest #380, Volume #21 Fri, 13 Aug 99 00:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: route problem: Can't add gateway address (Frederic Pont)
Re: The Incredible Shrinking / ! Help! ("Jonathan Kline")
Help! fsck problems after canceled update ("Jonathan Wilson")
Re: SCO 5.0.2 - binaries ?? (Cokey de Percin)
WWW e-mail interface? (Danny O'Brien)
Re: Sun 3/50 as Xterminal for Linux (Klaus Rotter)
system log (John Lemke)
Re: WWW: LinuxLinks.com reaches 5000th verified Linux link ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Strange bootup message in RH 6.0 (CJ)
Re: My Linux box was hacked! (Matt Curtin)
which distribution to use?? ("Christopher")
Newbie installation problem - Linux SuSE 5.3 (CubicD)
Re: SMP performance monitor (Uwe Bonnes)
getting mail ("Scott")
Re: clustering w/linux (Luke Kilpatrick)
Re: Printing to the printer from a C-Program (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Kernel Panic on Boot Up (walker)
Re: What I think of linux. ("Adam JBC")
can i use linux operating system (POLESAW)
Re: getting winmodem to work (Chris Mahmood)
Re: change default runlevel depending on kernel? (Joseph_A_Philbrook__III)
Re: Ready to TRASH SuSE 6.1 ("L. Friedman")
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From: Frederic Pont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: route problem: Can't add gateway address
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:40:25 GMT
some ideas :
0. try "route add default gw 166.104.88.1 dev eth0"
1. be sure to configure the netmask correctly for eth0 (255.255.255.0)
2. can you ping your gateway before adding your default route ?
3. if you cannot, the problem could be the driver (IRQ conflict ??) and
not the network configuration.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Youjip Won <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Linux guru,
> I am fan of linux, but never ever able to get the network setup in
> one shot. This time was not an exception. After several trials and
> errors, I am finally writing this message in a hope that I could get
> some help.
>
> To make long story short, I cannot add gateway to routing table.
>
> Here's what had happened. I can ifconfig and route add 'lo' and
'etho'.
> When I do "route add default gw 166.104.88.1", it does not complain.
> BUT, if I type 'route' to verify the gw in routing table, it goes to
the
> infinite loop. It only shows the first two lines in routing table(lo,
> eth0) and goes into infinite loop. I eagerly hope that someone have
had
> similar problems and provide me some clue.
> Please refer to the attached script.
> Thanks a mil!!!!
>
> Youjip
>
> Script started on Thu Aug 12 21:40:56 1999
> [root@sobaek network-scripts]# ifconfig
> [root@sobaek network-scripts]# route
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref
Use
> Iface
> [root@sobaek network-scripts]# ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
> [root@sobaek network-scripts]# route add -net 127.0.0.0
> [root@sobaek network-scripts]# ifconfig etho 166.104.88.108
> [root@sobaek network-scripts]# route add -net 166.104.88.0
> [root@sobaek network-scripts]# route
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref
Use
> Iface
> 127.0.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0
0
> lo
> 166.104.88.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0
0
> eth0
> [root@sobaek network-scripts]# route add gw 166.104.88.1
> [root@sobaek network-scripts]# route
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref
Use
> Iface
> 127.0.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0
0
> lo
> 166.104.88.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0
0
> eth0
> ===> Goes to infinite loop
>
>
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From: "Jonathan Kline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: The Incredible Shrinking / ! Help!
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:17:28 -0500
I had a similar problem with my Caldera box, disk space shrunk between 5 and
10% an hour, and in 3 hours my drive was full and the kernal paniced! First
reboot into single user/maitence mood! Next run fsck or fsck.ext2 on your /
partition. My problem turned out to be a bad drive with about 200 bad
sectors and several out of date inodes! Good Luck
Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> (First, sorry for the cross-postings, but I'm not sure where this
> question belongs, and I need help with it soon....)
>
> I'm finding something very odd on my SuSE 6.1 Linux system. Every day
> that I log in, I lose another 2% of my root ( / ) directory! Two days
> ago when I did the df command, I saw 56% in the Capacity column.
> Yesterday it was 58%. Today, 60%... space is just dwindling and I
> can't figure out what's doing it! KDE leaves behind a LOT of junk in
> my /tmp directory, prinarily a bunch of zero-byte files. But, even
> when I clear those out, the figure doesn't change. This happened once
> before, when I suddenly found my root direcory filled to 100%
> capacity. I re-did my entire system, and this time I'm a bit smarter:
> I'm watching the space dwindle day by day. I do *NOT* want to have to
> re-do my entire system again. Would someone be so kind as to give me
> some tips on where to look in my directories, or tell me what's
> causing this and what to do to remedy it? It has me baffled.
>
> I'm using SuSE linux 6.1, with KDE as my window manager. I have my
> drive partitioned as follows:
>
> /boot 7 megs
> / 100 megs
> /home 100 megs
> /opt 750 megs
> /usr 1 gigabyte
>
> and a 64 meg swap partition.
>
> Help would be greatly appreciated. If some file is growing, or I'm
> getting other temp files thrown somewhere that I don't know about, I'd
> like to know about it, so I can keep an eye on this and hopefully keep
> this partition from getting 100% full again.
>
> Oh, I also noticed one file called kcore. Not sure if that's another
> KDE file that's perhaps growing (I just discovered it this morning, in
> poking around my directories in Midnight Commander), but I'm keeping
> an eye on it as well.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ray
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From: "Jonathan Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help! fsck problems after canceled update
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:31:57 GMT
Well, I've crashed Linux pretty good. I started a mandrake update, realized
that I had several hours of stuff selected, and told it cancel. I didn't
quite, so after a minute I used the Taskmanager to kill it. then I tried it
again, and it said "error getting list of packages. Please try another
mirror." well, I decided to reboot (oh, I guess you don't know� I finally
got the Internet working, except I sent an e-mail out last night to all of
you, and apparently nobody got it) So I decided to restart. It said that
dev/hdc1 (that is where I put Linux) wasn't cleanly mounted and tried to run
fsck. It failed, and put me to the command line and asked me to run fsck
manually. I looked up how to do that in Running Linux, started it with
fsck -t ext2 /dev/hdc1. It said (just like the first one) that there are
duplicate/bad blocks in inode, reconciling duplicate/bad blocks, and now it
says "Clone duplicate/bad blocks<y>?"
Should I tell it yes? What's this clone business?
BTW, when I canceled it hadn't really started to download anything, and it
was going to start with some updates for a programming language. My point
is, I don't think the download was messing with anything serious, it was on
an update to a programming program. But then I guess I don't really know.
What now?
JW
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From: Cokey de Percin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SCO 5.0.2 - binaries ??
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:39:42 +0000
Chris Howard wrote:
>
> I would like to replace an SCO 5.0.2 system
> with a linux machine. At one time
> there was some support for SCO binaries
> in the Linux distibutions. Is that still
> available? It it a practical reality?
>
> Any experiences doing this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Chris Howard
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A little. I've gotten FoxPlus 2.1.2 for Xenix running on RH 6.0
using the iBCS module. It seems to run quite well. I understand
that there are people running the FoxPro for SCO Unix also, but
I don't have any personal experience with that. There are several
possible problems and the only way to see if you're going to hit
them is try it.
1) Various environment things such as differences in the shells.
2) Dynamically linked modules may need special SCO libraries. If
you have an SCO liscense, you may be able to copy the libraries
over to the Linux box, but I'm not a lawyer....
3) Installation. Many SCO installations use the 'brand' program and
I don't believe anyone has it running on Linux. The work around
is to install on SCO and pull the installed files over to Linux.
Good Luck!
Cokey
--
==================================================================
Cokey de Percin, DBA Email:
Policy Management Systems Corp. Work - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Columbia, South Carolina Home - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny O'Brien)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: WWW e-mail interface?
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:18:25 -0400
Is there a way to set up a Linux mail server so that e-mail can be
accessed remotely via the Web? i.e., at the office, mail gets forwarded to
whatever client we're running on the desktops, but on the road, we can hit
a Web site and check our mail.
Thanks!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Klaus Rotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Sun 3/50 as Xterminal for Linux
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:43:14 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In comp.os.linux.misc Klaus Rotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to setup an old Sun 3/50 as an Xterminal for Linux. I found the
> Linux-Xkernel-2.0e.tar.gz package which should contain everything needed.
> I have set everything up accroding to the documentation but the sun won't
[...]
Ok, I got it up and running. The nfsd was the problem. But, is it true that
tftp is so slow ? After the kernel booting the acces via nfs is fast, but
it took a few minutes to transfer the 500kb of the SunOS kernel.
--
Klaus Rotter * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: John Lemke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: system log
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:03:56 -0400
running slackware 3.6 --
who is "--MARK--", and why is he in my /var/log/messages every 20
minutes?
thanks,.
john
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WWW: LinuxLinks.com reaches 5000th verified Linux link
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:40:12 GMT
On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:18:46 GMT, Steve Emms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
>
>LinuxLinks.com, http://www.linuxlinks.com/ is a Linux portal
>site that is dedicated to covering the entire Linux scene. It initially
>started as a private bookmark collection and has reached a milestone today
>with 5,000 verified linux links! With over 3,000 links to Linux Software,
>we hope to show the non-Linux community that Linux has a huge range of
>applications to choose from.
>
>LinuxLinks.com also features the Linux Guide, http://www.linuxlinks.com/guide/
>a comprehensive compendium of Linux terms and definitions.
>The Linux Guide is structured in a similar format to our existing links
>database and has been created to help Linux beginners and more experienced
>users. Through the support of the Linux community over 400 items are
>now in the Linux Guide including local copies of the Linux HOWTOs and
>examples of commonly used Linux commands.
>
>LinuxLinks also sports breaking Linux news headlines, a sophisticated
>new search engine, popular/new sites, and user support through dedicated
>Linux forums.
>
>Regards
>Steve Emms
>http://www.linuxlinks.com/
thanks for the post - i never knew this great site existed!
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From: CJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Strange bootup message in RH 6.0
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:14:43 -0500
Villy Kruse wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, CJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Why are you bringing the loopback up? The only time I ever messed with
> >the loopback was when I selected it to be compiled into the kernel. I
> >haven't thought about it since. Wait... one time to mount an iso image.
>
> I sence some confusion between the loop driver used to mount file
> systems contained in a disk file
>
> and the network loopback; something quite different. The network
> loopback is normaly always a resident kernel and not a module, as
> this driver is always expected to be up.
>
> Villy
Your right. Always getting distracted. If you can help this person
please do.
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From: Matt Curtin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.security.unix,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: My Linux box was hacked!
Date: 12 Aug 1999 16:37:35 -0400
>>>>> On 11 Aug 99 16:52:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan J Rosenthal) said:
Alan> What do comp.security.unix folk think of an additional "vfaq"
Alan> question for my file, entitled "Why do some people get so upset
Alan> when system penetration is called 'hacking'?"
Good idea. And point to stuff like the Jargon File as an indication
of what real hackers are about.
--
Matt Curtin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/
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From: "Christopher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: which distribution to use??
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:05:37 GMT
Hi all, I'm seriously considering adding Linux to my PC and eventually
switch over to Linux use after I become proficient at it. Windows just
crashed on me for the last damn time (well it won't be the last I'm sure,
but the last that I"m willing to take). Can anyone recommend a good
distribution for a Newbie (capital N there). I've been hearing lotta good
stuff about Red Hat 6.0, its ease of installation and use, etc. But just
today I read about the Mandrake distribution which supposedly is a better
Red Hat than Red Hat. Any suggestions or comments are extremely welcomed.
Thanks a lot
Sincerely,
- someone who didn't know that windows came with a patented blue screen of
death!
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From: CubicD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Newbie installation problem - Linux SuSE 5.3
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:30:44 GMT
I'm trying to install SuSE 5.3 on my laptop within my windows C drive,
which I'm told is doable.
I inserted into my laptop a boot diskette and the CDRom, but a message
comes out saying:
"Unable to open an initial console."
How can I get past this barrier?
TIA
CubicD
Honolulu, HI
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From: Uwe Bonnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SMP performance monitor
Date: 12 Aug 1999 21:10:46 GMT
Bas Rijniersce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi,
: Does anybody now a performance meter for Linux that supports more than
: one processor (like the ones in BeOS/WinNT). I know KDE has Ktop that
: has SMP capabilties, but since I don't want to install all KDE/QT libs
: I'm looking for an alternative (WindowMaker dockapp would be perfect
: :)).
A recent version of xosview shows two bars here :-)
--
Uwe Bonnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
========= Tel. 06151 162516 ======== Fax. 06151 164321 ==========
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From: "Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: getting mail
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:16:07 -0400
I've installed RH 6.0 and I've got about everything going but the modem and
the soundcard. I don't care about the soundcard but....
I've used the modem configuration tool to put the modem on COM 1. I've
entered all the data into the PPP configuration tool. Now how do I test it
and maybe check my mail?
Any help would be appreciated.
Scott
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke Kilpatrick)
Subject: Re: clustering w/linux
Date: 13 Aug 1999 02:24:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 13 Aug 1999 01:51:37 GMT, Jonathan C Busey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am getting ready to start building a cluster and run it with Mandrake
>5.3. I am planning on using 8 486's, cheap 100 M/b cards, one monitor
>and graphic card. Is there anything any of you have learned that isn't on
>the beowulf page or one of its links? Any input would be appreciated.
>FOr examble, I'm not sure if the boards all have to be identical or just
>have the same processor speeds. Thanks
>Jon
For your own sanity, use absolutely identical nodes. The time you'll save
in troubleshooting will more than offset the extra money you spend to get
hardware uniformity.
Good luck!
Luke
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: Printing to the printer from a C-Program
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:43:24 GMT
On 12 Aug 1999 16:59:00 -0400, Coy A Hile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>In article <01bee503$ae130fe0$9eec4e0c@nilrem>,
>Norm Dresner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>I need to write a c-program to print to the "default" printer which is
>>usually (and the Printing-HOWO confirms this) denoted as the device "lp".
>>But /proc/lp contains no device lp. The printer is installed and working.
>>I can print from a file with the "lp <filename>" command and if I
>>explicitly code the device name "/dev/lp0" into the program it will also
>>print correctly.
>>
>>The main question is how can I tell if any printer is installed from a
>>c-program and what to call it when I open it for writing?
>>
>
>why not execute a system call to lpr. alternatively, if the printer is
>directly connected to the network (through HP JetDirect) you can send the
>raw data (preferably postscript) to port 9100 on the printer :)
Definite case of "open a pipe to LPR."
This has the merit that it decouples the physical device from the program.
Indeed, it becomes a trivial thing for the program to accept an environment
variable, and thereby allow one to change the printer selection by running
the program after doing something like:
export PRINTER=my_favorite
--
"Linux poses a real challenge for those with a taste for late-night
hacking (and/or conversations with God)." -- Matt Welsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (walker)
Subject: Re: Kernel Panic on Boot Up
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:47:39 GMT
double check the entry in the lilo.conf file for the default
selection. I don't see why letting it time out versus hitting enter
would do this.(?)
try changing the timeout value in the /etc/lilo.conf file and then
rerun lilo..... maybe when you reran lilo it didn't read the conf file
correctly? don't know...
What drive do you have lilo booting linux from? is it a really large
IDE? Are all the BIOS settings for LBA and all that mess set
correctly?
-walker
On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:43:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi,
>I just installed Red Hat 6.0 on my Dell Inspiron 7000 Laptop. I've
>noticed that any time that I let LILO timeout and automatically select
>Linux, that I get a kernel panic error. If I press enter before it
>times out, then I receive no kernel panic.
> Does anyone have any idea how to remedy this situation ? All my configs
>seem fine and I reran Lilo. Oh well, any idea will help.
>
>Thanks,
>Brian Smith
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: "Adam JBC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: 12 Aug 1999 19:02:00 -0100
> Let me hlep with the average.
Me too, I'm 16.
I've only recently installed Linux. Saved my bacon (metaphorically speaking) a
few days ago when I got a fresh attack from the WIN95-K32 Hazlo virus. I
booted into Linux, backed up all 500Mb of my files, formatted all my Windows
partitions, and reinstalled Windows. I then installed the latest update for
McAffee 3, but it only found a few infected files (3). I used the Find program
to search for all files containing text "Hazlo" (similar to grep I believe) and
found loads of infected files.
Anyway, I used my first computer when I was on holiday in florida. Sad I know.
I was hooked playing Solitair for hours on end. Plus there was this girl who
must have been a couple of year younder than me (I was about 10 or 11, or maybe
12) who I think had a crush on me. She just sat their watching me play cards.
I swear she wanted to kiss me when we saw them for the last time.
Anyway, during that holiday, I learn a bit of QBasic. Then we went home. A
couple of years later, my dad brought a lap top home from work. I found a copy
of QBasic, and continued programming. I then 'upgraded' to VB4, and I now have
VB5, in fact the whole of Visual Studio (which I got off a student licence)
sitting right next to me.
My next task is to learn C/++.
I also have a friend, also aged 16, who knows more about Linux than me. I'm
hoping he will come round and teach me someday soon.
Hmmm, a quick look at the names of posters in the ng (c.o.l.m) shows most of
the names to be male.
Any female linux users out there?
Adam.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (POLESAW)
Subject: can i use linux operating system
Date: 13 Aug 1999 02:36:23 GMT
can i use linux operating system on my current computer with my present
software?
thanks, polesaw
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: getting winmodem to work
Date: 12 Aug 1999 11:25:34 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet) writes:
> Unfortunately it seems that there really isn't any way of using a
> winmodem under Linux until someone starting reverse engineering.
Why is this unfortunate? I mean, is it really worth your time to get
crappy hardware like this to work under Linux? Personally, I think it
sends the wrong message to the manufacturers and would only
encourage more of the same.
-ckm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joseph_A_Philbrook__III)
Subject: Re: change default runlevel depending on kernel?
Date: 12 Aug 1999 18:56:22 GMT
On 05 Aug 1999 Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I don't understand what you mean. Siemel, this is the third question
>> of yours that I've responded to on topics that are completely covered
>> in the HOWTOs that people have been kind enough to write for your free
>> use--please make sure that your question is not covered in them before
>> posting.
>> -ckm
Hello Chris, please pardon me for intruding on your debate with Siemel
about acceptable questions. And please don't missunderstand my intent,
I don't blame you for being irritated with people who just don't want
to read the docs, and continuously pester for information that IS
"compleatly covered" in said docs. But I was just spending my lunch
trying to catch up on my newsgroups when I happened to notice the above
quote... It touches on what has become for me a pet peave about the
way information that we need to know in order to get good enough to stop
pestering experts like you so much, is spread across so many different
documentation systems, With very little of it written in such a way that
a relitive beginer can understand it without 1st studying many many books
that he/she also won't understand unless the right ones are read 1st...
It also bothers me that there is no good index either. Me I've been pluging
away for some time trying to understand docs that seam written more to
remind an expert of the forgotten details than to instruct the unintiated.
(many many synopsis, almost no examples...) If I just needed to know how to
tune up my car I shouldn't have to understand a tech ref for the design of
the inner workings of the entire electronic system should I?
I often feel while I'm reading a book on some aspect of linux knowledge
while trying to make some of it work on my linux which never had the benifit
of an expert setting it up correctly, And in order to make something work
I need to go read 3 or 4 other books just to find out what book I really
need to get so I can finaly extract the one 2 line example I needed to fix
the problem except that now I've been so long away from the book I couldn't
understand without the 2 line example that I need to write the example in
the margin and go back to page one...
So when I see a responce to anyone's confusion, that basicly just says
RTFM <even when said so politely as you did to Siemel> without the bennifit
of including which particulr document the information is in... well it irks
me.
Admittedly you did say in a HOW-TO. Most of which, are better written for
us not yet experts than most the other docs, but there are a lot of them.
And I for one still find them confusing... So I'm afraid that most likely
people like me & Siemel will continue to annoy you experts with far to many
redundant questions for a long long time. < S O R R Y >
If it's any consolation however, I'm quite sure there is some truth to the
wheel theory that we will reep what we sow, and someday, those of us who
survive long enough to become experts, will have to endure So many <even more
annoying than we were> newbies who will want us to give them everything on
silver platters... That it is possible you might someday catch me pulling my
hair out, and screaming RTFM to some luser who has me nearly incoherant with
frustration from all the stupid questions he/she won't look up. that
you just might get to tap me on the shoulder, remind me of this followup,
and tell me it serves me right.
However, in the meantime, would you expdite the coming of that day by
telling me everything I need to know to become an expert so I can take some
of the burdon off of you??? <GDL&RLC>
{grinning ducking laughing & running like crazy}
<< theres nothing like an idiot who thinks he knows everything, of >>
<< course, if I actualy knew everything, I'd know I was an idiot. >>
~^~ ~^~
<o> <o> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
^
\___/ < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
U
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From: "L. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Ready to TRASH SuSE 6.1
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:05:53 -0400
I'm not clear on whether you actually want a solution to your problem,
or just want a pity party? Nevertheless, here's my input....
Gilbert Groehn wrote in message
<7ovn2f$mni$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello fello Linus devotees;
>
>After about ten days of trying to get SuSE 6.1 up and
>running for some simple internet communications, I am
>ready to junk this mish mash of bogus packages, lousy
>support, and adfinitum. Four hours of waiting on the
>SuSE help line (which is only open 11:00/5:00 on Mondays
>and Thursdays resulted in a few minutes of next to worthless
>help. Bill Gates does not have to lose any sleep if SuSE
>is what the competition is going to be in IMHO.
Well sure, people who don't want to look for solutions will always
come running back to Bill & co.
>My problem;
>
>Got the entire package installed and configured to what I
>thought was there. It turns out all of the Applix applications
>were expired demo's that would not work and they also had
>dependencys to other packages. When I removed the Applix
>applications it totally screwed up Kppp.
>
>I got KDE up and properly configured and was able to log on
>to my ISP through Kppp a couple of times. Next Kppp kept
>returning a message that the pppd daemon had 'died unexpectedly'.
>I reloaded the ppp.rpm several times to no avail. This happened
>(I think) after the bogus Applix expired demo packages were
>removed. Think they must have had dependencies to Kpp somewhere??
>
>When I finally got through to Suse's help line they said ...oh yes..
>we know about this. You must get a patch on our www FTP site.
>How in the hell do you get a patch if you can not log on.
You seem to have managed to get online to send this irate post. Why
can't you download the patch at the same time?
>My intent is to learn LINUX and I now need to know if there is a
>commercial package available that will minimize the installation
>bugaboos so that I can start learning.
So you're saying that you don't consider fixing problem to be a
learning experience? You must be one of those people who expects the
learning process to be problem free. That's not learning thats busy
work.
>I appreciate all of the help you folks have given me in the last
>few days but I am at the point where I am fed up with SuSE and
>I'm looking for the best package that is available....at any
>reasonable cost.
>I picked up a limited version of CALDERA that came with a SAM's
>book on learning Linux and will give this a try until I find the
ultimate
>package.
There is no ultimate package, as you put it. They all have their
downsides, and bumps. If there was such a thing as the ultimate
package, everyone would be using it, and there wouldn't be numerous
linux distros out there. You're in for a long string of
disapointments if this is your attitude.
More importantly, i foreasee you ending up back in M$ land if you
expect your linux experience to be 100% problem free with little or no
effort on your own part.
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