Linux-Misc Digest #542, Volume #21 Thu, 26 Aug 99 00:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Voodoo3 enviroment variable for overclocking. (Sean)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (William Burrow)
Re: Diskette Longevity (BSD Bob)
Re: Diskette Longevity (BSD Bob)
Re: Linux `Chat' Program (Terry Porter)
Re: why not C++? ("Bruce W. Bigby")
RE: mapping network drives ("RonKost")
Re: ppp problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ppp problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Password protected web page ("Claude Viau")
Multiple NICS on one machine ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux `Chat' Program (William Burrow)
Re: changing hostnames (Chris Mahmood)
Re: need to select appropriate Linux distributions (John Hasler)
Re: Creative Labs ModemBlaster 28.8 (Rob Clark)
Re: Network config: AMD PCNET PCI?? (Scott Copus)
Re: compatiblity problem between 2.2.0 and 2.2.9 (Paul Kimoto)
Re: File system repair after crash (Leonard Evens)
Re: LOOKING FOR C/C++ DEVELOPMENT (Jayan M)
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From: Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Voodoo3 enviroment variable for overclocking.
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:30:57 GMT
I want to write a simple GUI app that allows you to overclock your Voodoo3
under Linux. I wrote one for windows and I want to be able to do the same
under Linux. First off what are ALL the enviroment variable for the
Voodoo3 under Linux? And secound what would be the best language to write
this app in. I'm new to Linux and I'm not that great in C, I'm just
learning it. But isn't there a more GUI oreinted language that I could
code my app in so that it won't take long and look nice and easy to use?
Thank you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: 26 Aug 1999 01:57:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:30:56 GMT,
Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I wrote an app for windows and now I want to write a Linux version. I am a
>Linux newbie and I don't know hoe to use GTK or any X library for C. But
>if it's only for an app that sets enviroment variables it doesn't need the
>speed of C and I'm not really good in C anyways. But what language is the
>easiest to write GUI apps? Preferably with a graphical frontend. I want
>to code this app as fast as possible. It doesn't need to be fast or
>small. I just want it to look good and be easy.
Tcl/Tk is one option. Python with TkInter and Tk is another. Python is
object oriented and fairly clean language. Some people don't like it
because programs written in Python must have proper indentation. Tcl
should be easy to learn as well, and suitable for a small project.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
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From: BSD Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Diskette Longevity
Date: 25 Aug 1999 20:35:43 GMT
In comp.os.linux.hardware William Burrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Not likely. I probably has scratches in it, from the use patterns
>>you put it to. Floppies used that way have a relatively short
> ...
>>media is tolerable, but, if you can see the scratches, particularly
>>as a ring at a certain track, that disk has crashed, and should be
>>discarded.
> Most of the dead ones I have have no discernible scratches. They just
> died. I find floppies die much quicker in public use machines, so very
> fine scratches may be enough.
Sometimes track misalignment makes for read errors if the floppies
are used across multiple machines (formatted and used). Usually,
a sign of that is that a particular machine will tend to begin to
have reading problems on all sorts of floppies (tape drives, too).
Most of mine seem to crash due to discernable scratching. I do get a
few that seem to go dead for no apparent reason. That might be due
to coating problems or inconsistencies on the disk, perhaps.
Sometimes formatting the things on an early dos (3.3 or such) or
on several passes on a unix box can make a dead disk operational
again, if it does not have scratching. Best practice seems to be
discard if it won't format in 3 passes.
>>> 1. how long do floppy 1.2MB diskettes last?
>>
>>I have some floppies 20 years old that are still perfectly fine.
>>I have some 1.2 meggers that are 15 years old, and still fine.
> Are they Dysan? I have a collection of 360s that are totally useless,
> but for a handful of Dysan disks. A number of 1.44 disks from 6-8 years
> ago I have are reading bad, while a few read OK. Its a crap shoot.
Odd mixes of things. Dysan are good, and most of the IBM labelled things
are good. Most generic brands seem to fall off after 10 years or so.
I have had bad luck on memorex and one or two other brands on many of
the earlier 3.5 inch floppies, as if their quality control was marginal.
A lot of the no-name 5 inch floppies are problematic. But, IFF they
take a format in 3 passes, they are usually fine. Perhaps that has
to do with alignment and magnetic flux densities or patterns on the disk.
I tend to buy up bulk floppies when I see them at fleamarkets, etc., and
usually get about 75% return on usable floppies, regardless of the source.
I use a lot of the old HD 5-1/4 inch things on my RT machines and on my
CP/M machine where they sub for DSDD 8 inchers.
>>Typically 3.5 inch floppies, unless very high quality, last for
>>a maximum of 5 years before reading problems can occur. But, the
>>more often the disks are read, the shorter the useful lifetime.
>>Yet, I have disk sets from IBM that are over 10 years old, and still
>>work fine. Generic noname floppies trust only for a short time,
>>or rewrite them yearly if the data is that important.
> I'd agree with this. Chuck the frequently used diskettes quite often,
> they'll just be a nuisance to you otherwise.
I make sure I clean my drives periodically. That turns out to be good
juju and karma, especially for the boxful of odd drives that I use for
junkbox stock in rebuilding old toyz. If the drive is visibly dusty or
dirty, as is typical of many recycled ``office secretary'' use machines
that never get cleaned at all, it is probably not worth resurrecting.
It amazes me how many ``office'' machines have never been cleaned at all.
If it has a light uniform dustbunny covering, it is probably cleanable
and usable, provided tracks align well. If it has more than that, it
could be problematic. I keep lots of cleaning floppies, isopropyl,
and small brushes and sometimes an air hose or small vacuum around
to de-grunge floppy drives periodically. It helps in the long run.
Every 6 months or so on important machines.
My practical rule is that if floppies won't format in 3 passes, nuke em.
If the drive continues to have format problems, nuke the drive.
It is not worth the later hassle. Typically I grapple up the disk,
in the palm of my hand and give it a karate chop, to bend it into
an unusable mode, so even the dumpster divers won't pick it up and
have my trouble....(:+}}.... same with old drives that are beyond
usable life (noone really knows how to repair or align floppy drives
anymore). They have become.....Disposum City Fodder......(:+}}....
Bob
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From: BSD Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Diskette Longevity
Date: 25 Aug 1999 20:38:25 GMT
In comp.os.linux.hardware Stan Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have some 20 year old disks as well and the Dysan ones all still work
> fine, I always used to buy Dysan when I could. Ones with data written
> 20 years ago are showing about 25% errors, but you would expect that as
> disks grow errors over time. (I'm monitoring this as an experiment...)
> For this reason you should re-format floppies occasionally to avoid
> errors appearing in the formatting information.
I would agree. I do this for important floppies (like system disks,
precious data, and that kind of thing), AND for important tapes (like
boot tapes, source tapes, etc.). It is a good practice to do about
every 5 years or so, if you can. With the advent of CD's that may
not be so important anymore, as long as you retain something from
which to rewrite floppies or tapes.
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux `Chat' Program
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 26 Aug 1999 10:41:05 +0800
On 25 Aug 1999 19:24:20 GMT, Evan L. Schemm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am looking for a fairly simple chat program that I can use under linux.
>I don't know a lot abour IRC (read nothing), but I thought that was what it
>was.
>
>All I want is something for a few users on a basically a local net (though
>a couple may be coming in via a PPP line.
>
>I was hoping to run a IRC server because I saw some interesting chat-bots
>that would run on it (things are a little boring while waiting for a
>re-compile).
>
>The IRC servers I checked (from daemon/irc on freshmeat) all seem to want to
>link to some other server.
>
>Where can I find simple instructions on installing an isolated irc server?
>I did some checking on Altavista, but was deludged with Windoze IRC client
>info.
>
>Also, if this is not going to work, can someone suggest something that might?
>
>Thanks
>Schemm
Linux has lots of irc servers and irc clients.
I have BitchX and Xchat as irc clients
and Cyclone as irc server.
Search Freshmeat for their locations, they are all easy to set up.
http://www.freshmeat.net/
terry
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From: "Bruce W. Bigby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:13:58 -0400
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:48:52 -0400, Bruce W. Bigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >directly throughout their code. You can write a whole object-oriented
> >system in C, if you have the inclination with single-inheritance and do
> >it efficiently. I've done it. :-)
>
> I've done multiple *interface* inheritance in C without too many difficulties.
> Structured exception handling too. :)
Yes, I wrote an exception-handler for C and wrote an article about it in
the November 1998 issue of Dr. Dobb's Journal. I all it GEF for the
General Exception-Handling Facility. GEF supports the concept of
Design-by-Contract, as well--like Eiffel. For example,
double
SquareRoot(double x) {
double answer;
gef_try {
answer = sqrt(double x);
} gef_preconditions {
gef_assert(x >= 0);
} gef_postconditions {
gef_assert(fabs(answer * answer - x) <= 0.001);
} gef_end;
return(answer);
}
GEF also supports UNIX signals and pthreads. There is a basic gef_ansi
library, a gef_posix library, and a gef_pthreads library.
For class-related stuff, GEF also supports an gef_invariants block.
As for the multiple inheritance, I decided to do only single
inheritance, since dispatching to the appropriate method would be fast
-- nothing more than accessing a function in an array, just like in the
early C++ compilers. I don't believe that this is possible with multiple
inheritance, but you can prove me wrong. I'm always open to learning.
--
Bruce W. Bigby
http://home.rochester.rr.com/bigbyofrocny
Do for others what you would want others to do for you.
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From: "RonKost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: mapping network drives
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:25:30 -0500
Can anyone tell me how to map a network drive using RH 5.2
Thanks
Ron Kost
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ppp problems
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:35:51 GMT
even if you use PAP authentication go to script and ADD a PAUSE.
Just that. After doing that I am connecting to my ISP
flawlessly.
if it works for you send me an e-mail.
In article <wgu20.935588050@riemann>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (W.G. Unruh) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >Thanks for all the help guys. Unfortunately, nothing has done the
> >trick yet. I have been using KPPP and tried upping the timeout and
> >adding netscape to the program execution box, but I still get the
> >timeouts. I worked through the 11+ page ppp sheet that was
suggested,
> >but it made no changes that I could tell. The log generated is very
> >ambiguous and states no problems until it shows "terminating on
signal
> >15" or something like that. It basicaly just sits there trying to
>
> Well, you could publish the log, and someone might see something.
> However I also know that kppp had some problems in the edition that
shipped with
> Redhat 6.0. I would thus suggest updating kppp and also pppd while you
are at
> it.
>
> I believe that I suggested using
> axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html
> and following the procedure there. It does NOT use kppp but rather
runs the
> commands directly. The advantage is that this removes one layer of
possibly
> buggy software, with its possible bad assumptions.
> Of course if it is kppp that you really really want to use, then get
the latest
> version before you write everything off.
>
> >"connect to the network" before it times out - every time. There were
> >a couple times I tried to do something outlined in the sheet but
> >received a "permission denied." Interestng since I was logged in as
>
> iYes, and this could indicate a problem. What were you doing?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ppp problems
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:35:59 GMT
even if you use PAP authentication go to script and ADD a PAUSE.
Just that. After doing that I am connecting to my ISP
flawlessly.
if it works for you send me an e-mail.
In article <wgu20.935588050@riemann>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (W.G. Unruh) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >Thanks for all the help guys. Unfortunately, nothing has done the
> >trick yet. I have been using KPPP and tried upping the timeout and
> >adding netscape to the program execution box, but I still get the
> >timeouts. I worked through the 11+ page ppp sheet that was
suggested,
> >but it made no changes that I could tell. The log generated is very
> >ambiguous and states no problems until it shows "terminating on
signal
> >15" or something like that. It basicaly just sits there trying to
>
> Well, you could publish the log, and someone might see something.
> However I also know that kppp had some problems in the edition that
shipped with
> Redhat 6.0. I would thus suggest updating kppp and also pppd while you
are at
> it.
>
> I believe that I suggested using
> axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html
> and following the procedure there. It does NOT use kppp but rather
runs the
> commands directly. The advantage is that this removes one layer of
possibly
> buggy software, with its possible bad assumptions.
> Of course if it is kppp that you really really want to use, then get
the latest
> version before you write everything off.
>
> >"connect to the network" before it times out - every time. There were
> >a couple times I tried to do something outlined in the sheet but
> >received a "permission denied." Interestng since I was logged in as
>
> iYes, and this could indicate a problem. What were you doing?
>
>
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From: "Claude Viau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,de.comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Password protected web page
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:15:10 GMT
Hi,
I've been trying to figure out how to secure a web page using .htaccess and
htpasswd. Any specific permission must go on the /home/.. folders or on
the
folder that is protected. I always get the same error "Authorization
failed", as though it couldn't find the path AuthUserFile or something.
I'm still VERY new at this.
Thanks for your help.
Claude
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Multiple NICS on one machine
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:13:47 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello.
I've got two Network cards in one machine. One is to a cablemodem and
the other to a DSL line. (from different ISPs). I can get eth0 working
and runnning (internet is great) I can get the Kernel to recognize eth1.
But once eth1 is there I have no more internet. I've used ping to see if
teh cards respond (both do) But I can't get it to let me have both cards
on the machine at once. You might wonder why I want two lines to the
Internet. The Cablemodem comes with 4 free static IPs and I'm testing
running some of the server software for my company. The second one is
used for personal use once this cablemodem is gone. I haven't set up
only the DSL to see if it works solo. Any hints? The default gateway is
set to the gateway of the cablemodem, Ifconfig sees both cards. The DSL
card has around 4500 RX packets but zero's everywhere else.
Nathanael Noblet
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: Linux `Chat' Program
Date: 26 Aug 1999 02:10:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 25 Aug 1999 17:16:13 -0700,
Noah Roberts (jik-) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, there is "talk" its on all unix systems.
talk only allows two people to talk at a time. I guess there is write,
but pretty primitive stuff there. The VAX phone facility allowed up to
six people to chat, three lines to separate and identify each caller and
one line of output for each caller.
Maybe if AOL et al can sort out their Instant Messaging protocol, Linux
can get a free chat facility that is a bit more modern.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: changing hostnames
Date: 24 Aug 1999 11:09:58 -0700
Anup Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'd like to know how I can change the my hostname to something I like.
>
> I can use 'hostname', but the effects don't last past boot time.
You need to modify the boot script at the point your hostname gets
set. Sorry, I remeber where redhat does this...just grep through
/etc/rc.d for 'hostname'
-ckm
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: need to select appropriate Linux distributions
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:41:00 GMT
Chris Miller writes:
> If you are more interested in stability rather than being on the bleeding
> edge then Debian is worth a look, especially if you already have a Unix
> background.
You can be as "bleeding edge" as you want with Debian. Just follow the
unstable distribution. Easy to do with apt.
> Once you learn how to use the installation utility called "dselect" the
> distribution is good.
apt is infinitely better than dselect.
--
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Creative Labs ModemBlaster 28.8
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Clark)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:58:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
remove-to-reply) (Matt Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>While I hunt down an inexpensive v.90 internal modem that will work with
>Linux, I thought I'd install an old Creative Labs ModemBlaster 28.8. I set
>the jumpers to Com3 and IRQ7 [IRQ 5 is occupied by my sound card], and away
>I went. No dice. It's an ISA modem, not -- as far as I can tell -- PnP, and
>it certainly predates the days of WinModems.
Did you remember to use setserial to tell Linux you were using that
bizarre address/IRQ combination?
Rob Clark, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
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From: Scott Copus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Network config: AMD PCNET PCI??
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:02:15 -0500
I will probably be buying a motherboard real soon with on-board
everything--including a network card. I think the brand is AMD
PCNET also. I have been reading everything I can to find out
what this NIC chipset supports as far as OS's goes. Reading
the Linux _Ethernet How-To_ says that AMD PCNET chipsets
should work by loading the LANCE or NE1500 modules.
Try that out. I would *VERY* much be interested in your
results... if it worked or not. Is your NIC onboard?
Scott.
"T.P Harte" wrote:
> Trying to get Red Hat 6.0 to talk to the world.
>
> I have a :
>
> AMD PCNET PCI
>
> ethernet adapter, but there does not appear to be a suitable
> module to load either in the list of available modules in the
> `Define Module` window of the Kernel Configurator, nor in
> /lib/modules/2.2.5-15/net
>
> Does anyone have a suitable module out there?
>
> ping 127.0.0.1 works okay, but the kernel reports that
> eth0 has initialization delayed.
>
> I did not configure the system for networking at install time,
> so my guess is that linux has detected an ethernet card but
> doesn't know how to talk to it.
>
> Any help appreciated, thanks.
>
> Thomas.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: compatiblity problem between 2.2.0 and 2.2.9
Date: 25 Aug 1999 23:35:09 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7q25i1$por$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have this
> program that has been compiled under 2.2.0. I
> am trying to run it under 2.2.9 (mandrake
> linux 6.0). However while it works fine under
> 2.2.0 it just goes into lala land under 2.2.9.
> It is an X based program and uses X11 library
> as well as GNU g++ and c libraries. My question
> is, is there any way to make it work on 2.2.9?
> Can I download the old libraries from somewhere
> and would it work?
The kernel does not really mandate particular libraries. Why do you
think that the _kernel_ is your problem?
Maybe you could define "lala land", too.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: File system repair after crash
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:24:26 -0500
Steve wrote:
>
> We had a power outage here yesterday, and when I came home I noticed that
> Linux was stalled upon reboot due to file system errors. The instructions
> on the screen said I should run fsck without the -a or -p options, ie: to
> run it manually.
>
> So I did that, and I always chose to fix the inodes that were corrupted.
> After each fix, it asked if I wanted to clone the file and place it in
> lost+found. I noticed that most of the files were kde applications.
>
> After rebooting, KDE appeared to start fine, but nothing on the desktop
> worked. I would hit a button, and there would be no response. I could even
> view the menus, but nothing would happen when I selected anything. I ran
> Gnome and it wasn't much better. However, I found I could run things off
> the gnome menus, and open a shell window.
>
> Fortunately, I had just installed Linux on this system, so it was easier for
> me to simply reinstall this time, while moving some data and downloaded RPMS
> to a DOS share drive.
>
> However, I don't want this to be my solution.
>
> I'd like to learn a comprehensive strategy/approach to repairing my file
> system after a crash.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
You got lots of good advice. Let me add that I've encountered
the necessity of running fsck manually many times on Suns
and Linux systems over the past 10 or more years. Usually,
if you choose the default answer, even if you don't understand
what you are doing, fsck manages to fix the filesystem and
if any files are damaged beyond repair, they are usually
inconsequential log files or files in tmp. I can only
think of a very few occasions where there was more extensive
damage. In those cases I did the best I could to replace
the damaged files, and the use of rpm packages simplifies
this considerably.
So you should consider yourself unlucky in this one instance.
Or perhaps you should consider yourself lucky. The last time
we had a serious power failure, the disk in my office machine
was totalled and I had to replace the disk entirely. Use
of an UPS (which I didn't have) would have avoided that, but
fortunately we do back up to tape, so I was able to reinstall
Linux and rebuild my machine fairly quickly.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Jayan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR C/C++ DEVELOPMENT
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:31:28 GMT
<<snip>>
>
> Hoping to get RIGHT answers in details at the very earliest.
I almost was getting ready to reply to your questions, when I
saw this line..
my friend, just who do you think you are? this is a newsgroup
not a status meeting for your fellow subordinates..
Who's this junkie?
Some blockhead upper management white collar executive?
>
> Deepak
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