Linux-Misc Digest #660, Volume #21 Fri, 3 Sep 99 16:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: C vs C++ for Open Source projects (Gergo Barany)
Re: HELP with Partioning Strategy (backspace)
Re: replacing shared libraries (Robert Heller)
Re: Upgrading from RH5.2 to RH6.0 and the new kernel?? (Hal Burgiss)
CRM/Contact Management Systems (Steve Parr)
Re: Removing a package from linux? (Thomas Ruedas)
Re: Information about Perl (Frank Sweetser)
Re: Apache server not working on more than 1 site (Bob Hauck)
Re: A REAL Linux for free (Philip Brown)
Re: Window Maker background problem (Steve Gage)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Kernel will not boot. (Craig Toshack)
the normally grey X-Windows background is striped - why? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: is there a HOWTO about upgrading a Linux kernel? (Michael Perry)
Re: gnucash or other financial programs (Cameron L. Spitzer)
how can i start non-root programs at init? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: *nix vs. MS security (Jeff Gentry)
full backup minus content of CD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
XpmOpenFailed ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: This is why RH 6.0 really sucks! (Jean-Louis Leroy)
Re: C vs C++ for Open Source projects (Philip Brown)
Re: Ad Extinguisher -- Pollution Control for the Internet (ellis)
how to set up news server easily ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: C vs C++ for Open Source projects
Date: 3 Sep 1999 00:09:28 GMT
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach) writes:
>> There are plenty of people who can generate things that some compilers will
>> eventually accept as C, but which are fundementally awful code. We do not
>> want these people maintaining "C".
>
>are you saying that
>
>#include <stdio.h>
>
>int main(
> int argc,
> char *argv[])
>{
> printf("hello world\n");
>
> return 0;
>}
>
>is fundamentally awful? note that this classic is valid in both C and C++.
I would say that it's a less than perfect implementation in C (I can't
speak for C++). The parameters to main() are not used, and printf() is
overkill for printing a simple string + newline sequence.
Unless your compiler optimises those mistakes away, your program is a
bloated memory hog (well, sort of).
Gergo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (backspace)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: HELP with Partioning Strategy
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:31:11 GMT
>for your system.
>
>Finally, if you encounter the 1024 cylinder limit for booting
>with lilo, you will need to create a small separate partition
>for /boot, and this may be a good idea anyway.
Thats exactly what I encountered. My hda1 partition is a win98 4 gig.
I have partition magic so rearangeing is not a problem. how do i go
about creating this small boot partition (size?, do I mount /boot on
it and if so how best to go about it?, do I make it active?etc) I have
to boot from a floppy.
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: replacing shared libraries
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 00:12:15 GMT
"Dan Kubilos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:16:31 -0700, wrote :
"K> I deleted X11 stuff because I wasn't using it. Sloppy job.
"K>
"K> Problem with programs that access vi. (visudo and vipw) They both report
"K>
"K> ###
"K> /usr/bin/vi: error in loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open
"K> shared
"K> object file: No such file or directory
"K>
"K> ###
"K>
"K> I would appreciate advise on the best way to replace this shared library
"K>
"K> I am running RH 5.2 on intel box. Have all CDs
Did you do an 'rpm -e X ...' or just a 'rm -rf /usr/X11R6'?
If the former, just mount the CDROM and do:
rpm -hiv /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/XFree86-3.3.2.3-25.i386.rpm
If the latter:
rpm -hiv --force /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/XFree86-3.3.2.3-25.i386.rpm
(Replace '/mnt/cdrom' with the mount point of the CDROM -- I don't have
my RH 5.2 CD in front of me and I am too lazy to go get it, etc. -- I
don't know if the '.i386' is there or not and I might have the path on
the CD off -- use the 'ls' command or TAB expansion -- whatever works
for you.)
"K>
"K>
"K>
"K>
"K> --
"K> Dan Kubilos, Technology Coordinator
"K> Oxnard School District
"K> 805-487-3918 ext. 467
"K> http://www.oxnardsd.org
"K>
"K>
"K>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Upgrading from RH5.2 to RH6.0 and the new kernel??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2 Sep 1999 20:22:27 -0500
On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:33:26 GMT, Bo Berglund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is it possible to do a straight upgrade from RH5.2 to RH6.0 and
>automatically get the new kernel recompiled according to the settings
>I have done on my old kernel?
>Or will the kernel stay the same as before until I manually recompile
>it?
>Grateful for any hints on problems in doing this upgrade.
>
You get a new stock RH kernel. If you need it recompiled, you'll have to
do that yourself. It is 2.2.5-15 kernel. There are a fair amount of
fundamental changes from 5x to 6.0. Expect some things to break -- but
probably nothing too serious.
>PS: The original installation was RH5.1 on which I did a custom kernel
>compile to get my network adapter into the kernel among other things.
>Then I ran the upgrade to RH5.2 straight out of the box, but I don't
>know what happened to the kernel at this time. I guess RH5.1 and RH5.2
>come with the same level of kernel revision so the kernel may have
>been untouched??
There was a slight difference in kernels from 5.1 to 5.2. The 6.0 kernel
is significantly different -- and better!
>But I relly would like to get the new kernel running....
>
Go for it...
--
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From: Steve Parr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,redhat.general
Subject: CRM/Contact Management Systems
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:31:07 GMT
Are you aware of any websites/companies/exhibitions etc. that deal with
Linux CRM/Contact Management Systems.
Thanks
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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:02:41 +0200
From: Thomas Ruedas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Removing a package from linux?
>How do I remove a software package (specifically applix) and all of
>the links/menu items?
>Is there a utility or at least a listing of all associated files?
This depends on the Linux distribution you have. Usually the tool you
used for installing your stuff also provides a feature to deinstall it.
E.g. in Debian Linux, this tool is dselect, in SuSE Linux it's Yast.
HTH,
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Information about Perl
Date: 03 Sep 1999 14:21:21 -0400
Ivan Balanya Jimenez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Ivan and I was wondering how to know about the modules of
> Perl that are installed in the Perl package.
> I was told that there is a command that can tell tou that, but I don't
> know which is it.
sounds like you're looking for the 'perldoc' command. note that not all
modules have documentation with them...
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outside"
(By Linus Torvalds)
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From: Bob Hauck <b o b h @ w a s a t c h . c o m>
Subject: Re: Apache server not working on more than 1 site
Date: 03 Sep 1999 12:47:01 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I have install Red hat 6.0. My default web site on Apache server is
> working and showing a Apache Test page. I wan't to makhe this server
> with multiple domains. If thru browser i try to access sites by IP
> address ,it shows same Apache test page on all IP address which i
> entered.
Assuming you have correctly set up IP aliasing for the various IP's, go
to <http://www.apache.org/> and look up the <VirtualHost> directive in
the documentation. Example (goes in httpd.conf):
<VirtualHost www.somedomain.com>
DocumentRoot /home/httpd/somedomain
ServerName www.somedomain.com
TransferLog logs/access_log.somedomain.com
</VirtualHost>
The DocumentRoot directive is key...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: A REAL Linux for free
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 03 Sep 1999 19:00:02 GMT
On 3 Sep 1999 13:13:12 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Philip Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: On 1 Sep 1999 23:36:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>:>- linux has free tech support, the promo solaris has none
>
>: oh, come now... "free" solaris has the same "free support" that "free" linux
>: does.
>: newsgroups.
>
>yeah, but if usenet is your only source of support, how good will that support
>be for Solaris (x86 or Sparc) v. if you're looking for usenet linux support?
>That's all I was trying to say.
I'd say they are about equal with eachother.
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From: Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Window Maker background problem
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:31:16 GMT
"Thomas R. Shannon" wrote:
>
> Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I have finally gotten around to experimenting with WindowMaker.
> > Everything seemed to install properly (windowmaker, the "data" file, the
> > "extras" file), but I can't seem to get even a simple solid background
> > color on my desktop. The config app seems to think everything is fine,
> > and using the gtk configurator, it even shows previews and such, but it
> > never gets applied to the actual desktop. No error messages or anything.
> > Can someone help me out?
>
> There's a command that must be run in order to allow WindowMaker to
> set itself up properly. I think it's "wmconfig" but I'm not sure.
> It's in the installation instructions. You only need to run it once
> from the commandline. From then on it should start up fine.
I believe you're referring to wmaker.inst? I ran that, and it seemed to
do its thing. Other than the background problem, wmaker is working just
fine. Any other ideas?
- Steve
>
> Tom
> --
> Quote of the day for Friday, 3 September, 1999:
>
> "The only limits are, as always, those of vision."
>
> - James Broughton
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:17:35 GMT
In article <7qm9ov$old$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, AJ scribbled:
...
> The Game Console / Set-top Box / Amiga NG / Dreamcast / PlayStation II
/
> Nintendo Dolphin / etc. would be running QNX Neutrino and Photon.
>
Make that: Sega Dreamcast, Sony PlayStation II, Nintendo Dolphin,
or Microsoft X-Box.
http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,41281,00.html?tag=st.cn.1fd2.newstkrne
Hmm. Linux/BSD/Neutrino on the Microsoft X-box.
;-)
Microsoft turns into "just another box vendor" ?
hee hee
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From: Craig Toshack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,sbay.linux,umich.linux,com.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Kernel will not boot.
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 14:57:25 -0400
I am currently experiencing a problem with a kernel + modules I
compiled. I was able to create the .config file and run the folowing
command:
1) make dep
2) make clean
3) make boot
4) make modules
5) make modules_install
I backed up the original modules by renaming the directory and I did the
same for my original kernel by renaming the link to vmlinuz.old. I then
ran "make zlilo" which is supposed to copy the new kernel image to the
/boot directory and a number fo other things.
Next, I editied the /etc/lilo.conf file for the new kernel and ran
/sbin/lilo -t -v to test the config for lilo. It ther reports back that
the kernel is too big.
Anyone know what happens and if there is a fix.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Craig Toshack ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: the normally grey X-Windows background is striped - why?
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:01:11 GMT
On all Unix/Linux systems I've seen, when X starts you get a grey
background. (Actually black&white weave pattern.) Now after installing a
new video card (Millenium) and forcing Xconfigurator to accept it as
8Meg instead of 4Meg, I see thick grey and white horizontal stripes -
the grey ones like the normal X background just described. Does this
mean there is a problem with the video card? Apart from the background,
everything displays ok (and the background is overpainted by KDE some
seconds later anyway).
System is RH5.2, KDE, kernel 2.2.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: is there a HOWTO about upgrading a Linux kernel?
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:03:02 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 29 Aug 1999 21:44:31 -0700, steve@nospam <steve@nospam> wrote:
>hi.
>any one knows HOWTO upgrade my running system from one Linux kernel to
>another? how do I overwrite exisitng kernel and use the new one? do
>I just build the new one and overwrite /boot/vmlinuz with it? what
>about existing /usr/src/linux? and what about the libraries etc..? are these
>affected?
>
>thank you.
>steve
>
The kernel howto provides a lot of great information on these types of
topics. I would read that over quite carefully before starting on
compiling a new kernel. There are a few steps to this process and its
important to understand the order of things. I think reading a little will
help you understand the issues and may save you some pain down the road.
Take care.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: gnucash or other financial programs
Date: 3 Sep 1999 18:04:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Leonard Evens wrote:
>"Kerry J. Cox" wrote:
>I would think it would not be too hard for Quicken to port
>a basic version of its program to Linux. Also, it would make
>sense for them to do so since Microsoft is not likely to follow
>suit, and it would provide a potentially large market for them.
ISTR Quicken for DOS was the test application used to develop DOSEMU.
When did it stop running? Does the current Quicken run on Wine?
Cameron
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: how can i start non-root programs at init?
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:54:09 GMT
How do I set up the init-scripts so that some programs / daemons etc are
run under a certain user's uid instead of roots uid? This has to be done
before the corresponding user logs in.
System is RH5.2, KDE, kernel 2.2.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Gentry)
Subject: Re: *nix vs. MS security
Date: 3 Sep 1999 18:05:17 GMT
Brian Moore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: My own observation is that it is the Linux boxes that are being
: cracked. These observations say nothing about the inherent
: security of Linux/UNIX vs. MS Windows but it is something that
: I have observed also.
Personally, in my "dubious days", if I encountered a Windows machine,
I just kept going. Why? Not because they were "more difficult"
or anything - but simply that they were far less interesting to me.
Because of the greater flexibility & power of a UNIX box, I was
more interested in rooting one of them - thus increasing my possibilities
*afterwards*.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: full backup minus content of CD
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:38:15 GMT
Since I will be upgrading a certain OS made by Microsoft on my machine,
I thought I'd backup my Linux partitions first. Of course the question
is: How? I don't have a CDR, so must be selective. For example, I am
interested in backing up all files on the system EXCEPT those that come
from the Linux CD and are unmodified. How do I find out which ones are?
This selection procedure of course has to be automatic - there's 1000's
of files on the system.
System is RH5.2, KDE, kernel 2.2.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: XpmOpenFailed
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:04:46 GMT
Whenever kdm has loaded and the (graphical) login screen is ready, the
xconsole displays the following:
> XBanner: XpmOpenFailed
> Can't open pixmap file
What does this mean? (The login background image is there, so that's not
it.)
System is RH5.2, KDE, kernel 2.2.
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From: Jean-Louis Leroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is why RH 6.0 really sucks!
Date: 04 Sep 1999 21:41:19 +0200
Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> They used calls in
> glibc2.0 which they shouldn't have done. When glibc2.1 didn't include
> those calls, StarOffice broke. Is it RH's fault? Or Glibc's?
What about StarDivision's fault?
Jean-Louis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: C vs C++ for Open Source projects
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 03 Sep 1999 19:04:49 GMT
On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:03:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>All this said, Peter is right, the idioms of C and C++ differ somewhat.
>>_Good_ C++ programmers should know both. (In fact, in my experience
>>good C++ programmers were usually already good C programmers before
>>they learned C++.)
>
>I have never met a "good" programmer of any language who wasn't, with a couple
>of days' exposure, a "good" programmer of just about any other tolerably
>similar language.
I've found that even "very good" C programms will take quite a bit of
learning to properly grasp the OO methodology of C++, java, etc,
if they have never had OO experience before.
They can "learn" it in a day or two. But to efficiently use it, takes a lot
longer. I wouldn't count anyone as a "good programmer" until they reached the
second stage
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ellis)
Subject: Re: Ad Extinguisher -- Pollution Control for the Internet
Date: 3 Sep 1999 19:53:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The Internet Junkbuster Proxy is already pretty close to this. Runs on
>lots of platforms and is GPLed.
>
>http://www.junkbusters.com/ht/en/ijbfaq.html
>
>As far as I know, the proxy filters only by URL pattern and not by content,
>so it probably couldn't filter only animated GIFs.
Squid works well for filtering too.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: how to set up news server easily
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:16:42 GMT
What's the fastest and easiest way to set up a news server on my Linux
machine (for just one person who reads news on that machine)? It's
connected to the net via PPP over a phone line.
System is RH5.2, KDE, kernel 2.2.
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