Linux-Misc Digest #695, Volume #21 Mon, 6 Sep 99 00:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Shutdown Problem (M van Oosterhout)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ("Bobby D. Bryant")
xfstt and Redhat 6 ("Roch Plamondon")
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Tim Hanson)
Re: Help Naming Executable files (Justin B Willoughby)
Re: Reviewing boot-time messages... (Justin B Willoughby)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ("Bobby D. Bryant")
From KDE back to Gnome??? (Greg Dyer)
Re: Reviewing boot-time messages... (Howard Mann)
make linux disk only one ("Manut")
Re: backup with tar to cdr (Mircea)
Re: backup with tar to cdr (Carl Fink)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Carl Fink)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution ("Casper")
Re: Creating large numbers of user with passwords (M van Oosterhout)
Re: Reviewing boot-time messages... ("Klaus-G. Nielsen")
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 22:03:57 -0500
Lizard wrote:
> Tried to logout (this is all under Gnome,
> BTW). Nothing happened
Don't even *try* to use the GNOME that shipped w/ RH 6. Go to
ftp://ftp.gurulabs.com/pub/gnome/updates/, fetch and install the updates, and
then try GNOME. And check on it periodically to see whether they've got any
new updates out there.
BTW, read the READMEs there -- you may not need/want the XFree86 and egcs
updates he's providing.
> c)Not quite a crash, but several times, when I have tried to go to a page
> that 404s under netscape, netscape just closes down. Charming again. (Go to
> the Linuxberg page, go to Gnome software, go to Newsreaders, click on the
> first one, it's the only 5-penguin product. Try to go to the home page.
> Kaboom!)
This may not be the problem in all cases, but try using Netscape with
Javascript turned off unless you absolutely have to have it. This will save
lots of NS crashes -- and lots of annoying pop-up ads as well!
> d)A few other crashes, I forget the circumstances. Rather than the robust
> he-man operating system I was expecting, I find I am terrified to do
> anything, for fear of having to reboot yet again. (At least when Windows
> crashes, it displays a dialog box TELLING you it has crashed. Linux just
> sits there, taunting you.) (I know, I know, "I kept my Linux box running
> for 14 months and it only stopped because the local power plant exploded."
> But let me guess -- it was running as a server, happily chugging through a
> limited set of routines. It didn't actually have a real human being
> pounding on it, running dubious shareware, mucking with config files, etc,
> did it? Aha. Didn't think so.)
Nope. I give mine all kinds of abuse, and rarely have problems when I'm not
experimenting with low-level alphaware.
One trick you need to learn right away is to use ctrl-alt-F<n> (<n>=1-6) to
get a virtual console. When X gets screwed up you can usually go to one of
those consoles, log in, blow away X, and restart it without shutting down.
But if you're having to do that often, you need to verify that you've got
supported hardware, and if you do you need to verify that you have things
configured correctly. I (ab)use Linux on several systems with different
hardware, different distros/versions, different software, different sysadmins,
etc., and just don't see regular problems. (Admittedly, one part of it is to
get past the first blush of newbiness so that you know that 'reboot' isn't
automatically the best thing to do everytime something doesn't work as
expected.)
> Now, on to software. First off, has anyone thought of putting in the
> INSTALL text file words to the effect of "you better untar this from /,
> otherwise, you'll end up creating a zillion useless directories where you
> don't want them because there's no way to tell tar to go to the root to
> start?" Apparently not. Do not assume your users intuitively know where
> software is 'supposed' to go, especially if they've been trained on OSes
> that don't give a damn.
Partly it's a matter of choice, and partly there's still an assumption that
you will know enough to make the choice intelligently. If you don't want to
get that involved, use RPMs. (Seehttp://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/ for the most
general selection of RPMS. )
> First task, of course, is to find a decent newsreader. It appears there
> aren't any, at least if I want to use something a little more
> sophisiticated than trn, tin, slrn, or other 'cat walking on the keyboard'
> inspired names.
Careful: We're assuming you're not just trolling, but that borders on insult.
If you think people use "the other OS" without having to learn anything, visit
http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/ and read some of the war stories.
> Those were lovely in 1980. This is almost 2000. I couldn't
> find anything under X to compare with Newswatcher on the Mac or Free Agent
> under Windows. Ditto, nothing to match Eudora for mail.
I'm perfectly happy using Netscape for all of these.
> Doom:Untarred it into my home directory. Discovered that it really wanted
> to be untarred from the root directory. Tried to copy it there, found out I
> had to BE root to copy it to \, su'ed to root, tried it again, untarred it,
> tried to run it...got some random 'file not found' error.
In most cases you *will* have to be 'root' to install software. 'file not
found' errors are not random under Linux; if you want help, you've got to give
us the details.
> Gnomehack:More-or-less the same phenomenon. Addendum:The INSTALL file for
> nethack tells you that, when you're done, to just type 'nethack' and play!
> Unfortunately, it doesn't tell you the nethack executable is buried in the
> src directory. It also didn't work.
If you built and installed the software, you don't need to know where anything
is in the src directory. You can usually even blow the source directory away.
I haven't used nethack, but most kits install their executables in "likely
places" that will almost certainly already be in your path, or else the
instructions will tell you otherwise. Possibly nethack has bad instructions,
but your comments so far seem to indicate that you aren't reading the
instructions carefully enough.
If you haven't changed the default cron setup, and if you left your system
running past 4am Sunday morning, your 'locate' database will be built, and you
can find the image with this command:
locate nethack |more
Otherwise you can find it by su'ing to root and doing
find / -iname nethack
but this will take a while if you have a large disk.
> Thus far, this has been inauspicious. I'm not giving up -- I know most of
> my problems are due more to newbie cluelessness than OS problems, and I
> intend to dive in to man pages, documentation, etc, in order to figure out
> what I'm doing wrong. But there's plenty of people who won't make the
> effort, and, if you REALLY want to unseat Chairman Bill, you've got to
> think about them.
We know this. Some of the developers are trying to address those "plenty of
people", but others think unseating Chairman Bill should not be what's driving
the design of Linux. Either way, Linux is improving by leaps and bounds. If
you get too frustrated, drop it for now and try again in a year or so.
> If you are going to have a taskbar at the bottom of the screen, make sure
> the applications know it is there. Maximizing Netscape hides the taskbar,
> for example. For that matter, clicking on the various task buttons (like,
> to bring up one of my terminals) just plays a pretty 'boing' sound. I have
> to manually minimize windows to find the one I want. So what's the point?
> (Maybe some error message was displayed...on the text screen I can't see
> 'cause I'm running X!)
I prefer to switch my taskbar to vertical, since I like applications maximized
vertically more often than horizontally. Right click on the task bar and use
"this panel properties..." in the popup menu to move it.
Still, GNOME opens applications without regard to the panels' locations.
There has been some discussion among the GNOME maintainers as to whether that
behavior should be modified, but I don't know whether any decision has been
made.
> 'Samegnome' is disturbingly addictive.
Yeah. I like it with the 'planets' images. I think they hit the spot between
being too easy and being so hard that it frustrates you.
> Directories do not need version names, especially for enduser apps.
> 'FooBar1.01-45A-intel-linux-2.0' is a *stupid* name for a directory. (Or a
> file, for that matter). Since the Macintosh, which also permits very long
> file names, is NOT afflicted with this sort of nonsense, I don't see why
> Linux has to be.
Ah, but sometime these *are* helpful for people that download more than one
version or other variant. A similar scheme is used for libraries, which is
why Linux doesn't suffer from "dll hell". You've just got to get used to
things being a bit different. In particular, there are more allowances made
for power users than there are under (say) the Mac.
Good luck,
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:20:30 +1000
From: M van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Shutdown Problem
Randall Parker wrote:
>
> Alan,
>
> People don't want to have data corruption. If you eliminate the need to
> do fsck you must have, by definition, eliminated the types of corruption
> that make fsck necessary in the first place. The main goal here isn't to
> avoid the time needed to run fsck. The goal is to eliminate situations
> where, for instance, the OS partition has to be restored from tape
Note that journalling doesn't prevent data corruption, only metadata
corruption. IOW, your filesizes will be correct but the data inside
the file may be totally wrong.
> IMO, the distribution installs ought to provide the option to tell them
> to put the OS on a partition that will be read-only (except when being
> updated), all the temp files on a different partition, and all the config
> files (dialer files, hosts, etc) on yet another partition.
This has already been done. For example on my machine:
/ contains config (/etc) and boot file (/boot, /bin, /sbin),
rarely changes
/usr All installed programs. This is mounted read-only
/var All the data that changes regularly (logs, databases, spool
files)
/home The rest, also changes fairly infrequently.
The / partition contains everything needed to boot and since it is
almost never written to, it's almost impossible for my machine not
to boot. After that everything on /usr works because it never changes.
> If the OS directory has no uncommitted metadata at the time of a system
> crash or power failure (my cleaning lady has inadvertently circumvented
> my UPS protection twice in the last 3 years btw) then it can't become
> corrupted.
On a well setup system, this is not a problem.
Martijn
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 22:23:32 -0500
K. Bjarnason wrote:
> Open another console.
> Log in as root.
> run ps ax | grep netscape
> Find the process numnber
> kill process
>
> I especially like "ps ax | grep netscape"
>
> Stop for one moment and ponder this scenario:
>
> Granddad, who until now has only ever used Win31 or Mac, is presented with a
> *nix box. Netscape fries. Ask yourself just how long it will take him to
> figure out that he has to run "ps ax | grep netscape". Oh, he should just
> call me? Fine; ponder trying to walk him through this over the phone. Now,
> compare that to walking him through closing the app or even rebooting under
> Win9x or NT.
>
> Now keep in mind that Granddad is a potential customer - one of thousands,
> if not millions like him - who are potentially going to buy and use your OS.
> Does he care that Linux will run his apps 10% faster? Or that it uses less
> RAM? No. He cares that he can actually use it without a 6-month course in
> how to do things which should be point-and-click simple.
>
> "ps ax | grep netscape" indeed.
For frequent problems (such as netscape), you can add a "kill netscape" option
to your root menu, and tell gramps to use it to kill netscape whenever it
misbehaves. Perhaps not an ideal solution, but then Netscape isn't an ideal
application.
> Oddly enough, the Linux crowd often whines that buggy Windows apps can bring
> down even NT (a situation I've only ever seen once, BTW). It's okay for
> Linux folks to whine about Windows having this problem, but it's not okay to
> point out that Linux has the same failing? The mind boggles.
Exactly what application is it that's bringing down Linux?
> No, do NOT learn about "ps" and "kill" - ask the Linux community why an OS
> presumably aimed at taking over from MS (according to many of the hypesters,
> at any rate) can't handle something as basic as a point-and-click "kill
> process" operation as easily as Windows does?
Actually, (a) that's *not* what Linux was originally designed for, and (b) for
those who are moving the design in that direction, those sorts of features
*are* becoming available (e.g., GNOME footprint --> settings --> Startup
Programs --> browse currently running programs --> remove).
> I haven't worked with RPM (been a while since last I ran Linux, although I
> have Mandrake sitting here waiting for my new CD to get put in before I fire
> it up.) Is it smart enough that - like a typical Windows install - you can
> have the entire app installed and running in perhaps a half-dozen mouse
> clicks, without even really having to know how your system is configured?
> Could be; as I said, I haven't worked with it.
Actually, the half-dozen mouse clicks is only sufficient if everything works
right, which is *not* always the case. In other cases you have to outsmart the
system. Under Linux you can use your knowledge of the system to make a
rational plan for investigating/fixing most problems; it never degenerates into
a game of "outsmart the system".
> To a developer, certainly - but *not* to a user. The user doesn't give a
> damn if he's running 1.01-45A or 1.20.39B, other than to know he's running
> the latest and greatest version - which he gets because someone hands it to
> him, or he has seen the product's website and has seen "Version foo just
> released!". He certainly doesn't care about the "intel" or "linux" part.
I suppose a user running the app on an alpha with FreeBSD might have reason to
care.
> For a *developer*. Who cares how messy things get on development systems -
> we're used to it, and we want it that way, because we can keep track of
> things. For users, "AppDemo" should exist in exactly one place, presumably
> called "AppDemo", so the user doesn't end up with 53 copies of old versions
> lying around sucking up space for no reason, and he knows, when he goes
> browsing, exactly what a given directory belongs to.
Ever looked at an average user's Windows disk to see what kind of junk files
are lying around? You're ignoring the simple fact that computers are capable
of very complicated behavior, and the only way you'll ever make operations
easy/intuitive/etc. is to limit them severely. Linux is for people who *don't*
want such limits.
> Linux is great on its technical merits - but ease-of-use for the novice,
> especially to the novice at computing in general, not just to Linux - does
> not appear to be one of those strengths.
I won't disagree with you on that point, except to repeat that in the general
case "ease-of-use for the novice" is in direct competition with "power of use
for the poweruser".
But KDE/GNOME are providing a certain amount of the 'entrapment' that makes the
system look easy to the novice (while still letting the power user get under
the hood), and OEM installations are becoming more common, so with a bit more
water under the bridge I suspect that Joe User will be happy with Linux, too.
Or at least as happy as he ever was with Windows.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "Roch Plamondon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: xfstt and Redhat 6
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:26:14 GMT
I' m trying to install xfstt on my machine but i'm getting errors when
executing the make command so the xfstt is not created. Im using Xfstt0910
Thanks
--
Roch Plamondon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Hanson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 01:42:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>On 5 Sep 1999 18:47:12 GMT, Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) wrote in
>><7qubj9$7q7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
>>>>Netscape is quite probably the most fragile program I've run under
>>>>Linux. You probably didn't have to power down, though. Ctl-Alt-Fx to
>>>
>>>I just had the priviledge of using it under Solaris. It is just as
>>>fragile there. It is Netscape, not Linux.
>>
>>Recommendations, other than lynx, then? (I wonder if there will ever be a
>>Linux version of Opera...)
>
> Try using the KDE file mangler as a webbrowser. It's not Netscape
> in terms of included features but it's not a bad browser these
> days.
>
> Also, I will repeat my request that kfm be usable as a browser
> without taking the rest of the root desktop along for the ride.
>
>--
>
>It helps the car, in terms of end user complexity and engineering,
>that a car is not expected to suddenly become wood chipper at some |||
>arbitrary point as it's rolling down the road. / | \
>
> Seeking sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
I have used the Star Office browser in a pinch. It seems to work okay.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Subject: Re: Help Naming Executable files
Date: 6 Sep 1999 02:47:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Jason Bond ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> I've quite confused about which files can be exectued
> by just typing their names at a prompt
> and which ones require a ./ in front of them.
> For example, I have 2 binary files: 1 is gzip
> and 1 is bzip2. Their permissions are:
>
>
> (root@blah: /home/jbond) ls -l bzip2
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 jbond users 144192 Sep 5 19:28 bzip2
>
> and
>
> (root@blah: /home/jbond) ls -l /bin/gzip
> -rwxr-xr-x 3 root root 45388 Sep 10 1998 /bin/gzip
>
> Now gzip can be executed by just typing gzip at the prompt
> while bzip2 requires one to type ./bzip2. Why exactly
> is this? Is whatever the difference is true for
> text files (written to execute some shell commands)
> that are executable as well? Quite confused,
gzip is in your $PATH while bzip2 is not. Just copy bzip2 to /bin
To see what your path is type:
echo $PATH
- Justin
--
_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ RULES!! * LINUX RULES *
_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ Justin Willoughby
_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ http://justinw.net
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ ---- Jesus Is Lord ----
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Subject: Re: Reviewing boot-time messages...
Date: 6 Sep 1999 02:48:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
"Steve D. Perkins" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> This may sound a bit like a dumb question, but I seem to
> remember from reading somewhere that you can review all of the
> messages that scroll by as your system is booting up... either by
> pressing some key combination at a console prompt, or by
> reviewing some log file somewhere. Does anyone else know of such
> a means for reviewing boot-time messages on a RedHat system?
>
demesg is what you are looking for,
perhaps demesg | more will be more usefull.
- Justin
--
_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ RULES!! * LINUX RULES *
_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ Justin Willoughby
_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ http://justinw.net
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ ---- Jesus Is Lord ----
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 22:26:59 -0500
Lizard wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper) wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >Remember, if they bitch about how slow X is and they list their CPU
> >speed but not graphics card, then they're usually in need of a bashing
> >from my clue-stick-light-sabre-toy.
>
> PII 400, ATI Rage PRO Turbo w/8 Meg.
>
> (Upgrading X+Gnome helped considerably with the speed issue, and with
> Netscape crashing...)
As I've said elsewhere, I tried XFree86 3.9.15 (a pre-4.0 beta, if you
will), and got a full 40% speedup on the X benchmarks. Here's looking
forward to the official 4.0 release!
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 22:33:23 -0500
teknite wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:25:38 +0000, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >#7 GNOME
> >GNOME is cool. GNOME is not ready for prime time. As far as I can see,
> >it may never be. KDE is my desktop of choice.
>
> I just d/l and install the latest version of Gnome and
> so far it has been quite stable on my SuSE 6.1 system.
> Time will tell but first impressions are that it is
> light years ahead of the version that shipped with
> RH 6.0.
Same here. IMO RH did GNOME a great disservice by presenting a limping
beta as v. 1.0 and having it show up as the installation default. I'm
sure lots of people saw it, concluded that GNOME sux, and won't be willing
to give it another try later.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Dyer)
Subject: From KDE back to Gnome???
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 05:50:45 GMT
I switched to the KDE desktop..and now I can't get back to the Gnome
Desktop. Any help....thanks in advance!!
Greg
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From: Howard Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reviewing boot-time messages...
Date: 6 Sep 1999 03:42:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This may sound a bit like a dumb question, but I seem to
> remember from reading somewhere that you can review all of the
> messages that scroll by as your system is booting up... either by
> pressing some key combination at a console prompt, or by
> reviewing some log file somewhere. Does anyone else know of such
> a means for reviewing boot-time messages on a RedHat system?
>
>
> Steve
Before logging-in at the command prompt, try Right-Shift-Page Up/Down
Cheers,
--
Howard Mann
http://www.newbielinux.com
(a LINUX website for newbies)
Smart Linuxers search at: http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml
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From: "Manut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: make linux disk only one
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:17:42 +0700
who recommend to me about seft make linux disk ?
thank you.
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: backup with tar to cdr
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 23:50:57 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a good backup program that uses compressed tar to
> cdrom. I have played with toast and roast which work fine but they
> don't do compressed backup.
I'm sure this link will help you:
http://w3.one.net/~bilshell/backburner/backburner.html
MST
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: backup with tar to cdr
Date: 6 Sep 1999 03:10:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:52:41 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>How can I use 'cdrecord' (or other utility) to compress tar a filesystem
>to cdr?
I just use tar xvzf to create a tarfile, then mkisofs to make a CD
image, then cdrecord to copy it to the CD-R. There's a program
called "backburner" that people have said nice things about, but I
haven't tried it. See
<http://w3.one.net/~bilshell/backburner/backburner.html>.
You know, a one-minute Deja News search would have found that
information without your posting. What's ironic is that you're
posting FROM Deja.com.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy."
-Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 6 Sep 1999 03:13:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 5 Sep 1999 18:47:12 GMT Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) wrote in
>>
>>I just had the priviledge of using it under Solaris. It is just as
>>fragile there. It is Netscape, not Linux.
>
>Recommendations, other than lynx, then? (I wonder if there will ever be a
>Linux version of Opera...)
Look at kfm. I don't like KDE, and I don't like KFM as a file manager,
but it's a very slick, very fast web browser.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy."
-Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun
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From: "Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.realtime
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:47:34 GMT
"GM" == "Guy Macon" writes:
GM> Linux: Lots of things don't bring down the OS when they crash.
GM> Some things (like drivers) do.
GM>
GM> QNX: More things don't bring down the OS when they crash.
It should be noted that the AmigaOS is used by NASA in mission
critical areas, and QNX is also used by NASA. Unless something
has recently changed, I don't recall ever reading that NASA uses
Linux in any form. Both links are interesting reading!
These are both very interesting articles and show just how important
the Amiga is in every launch, of anykind at NASA.
Here is some of the proof with pictures as well! :)
It aslo tells why they were chosen over other machines like PC's and
MACS.
Here is some of the proof with pictures as well! :)
This one is an interview with retired NASA engineer Hal Greenlee.
http://amiga.eden.it/interviste/green/HalInterview-eng.html
"The Secret in Hanger AE" by Bob Castro. March 6, 1999
For more than a dozen years, Amiga computers have been hard at work
at Cape Canaveral's Hanger AE supporting the launches of every
American spacecraft including the space shuttle. etc.
"The Secret in Hanger AE" by Bob Castro. March 6, 1999
For more than a dozen years, Amiga computers have been hard at work
at Cape Canaveral's Hanger AE supporting the launches of every
American spacecraft including the space shuttle. etc.
http://www.amigaatlanta.org/AEcastro.html
regards,
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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:55:38 +1000
From: M van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Creating large numbers of user with passwords
Danny Aldham wrote:
>
> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
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> I have a new RH6 linux box, and I need to create over 100 user accounts, and
> give them all passwords. I have a script that uses adduser to create the
> user accounts, but I cannot figure out how to create passwords. The passwd
> command does not lend itself to scripted input. Any thoughts, pointers, help??
>
> As a last resort I am considering a perl script that writes to the /etc/shadow
> file, but I cannot figure out what encryption RH6 is using, it is not crypt.
Look into a program called chpasswd
Martijn van Oosterhout
Australia
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From: "Klaus-G. Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reviewing boot-time messages...
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 05:47:36 +0200
"Steve D. Perkins" wrote:
>
> [...] that you can review all of the
> messages that scroll by as your system is booting up... either by
> pressing some key combination at a console prompt, [...]
>
Press Shift+PgUp, Shift+PgDwn after login
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Klaus-G. Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hamburg/Germany
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