Linux-Misc Digest #756, Volume #21 Fri, 10 Sep 99 20:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Kernel xconfig errors ("joem")
File request: /etc/rc.config for a broken Redhat 6.0 system (Dominic Hargreaves)
MS CD's (Per Steinar Iversen)
Re: One must-have program for a newbie (Ron Stodden)
Re: Absurd Linux mentality ! ("Noah Roberts (jik-)")
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Win right-click) (Peter Moore)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: xterm broken? (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: How do I delete mail from Netscape? (Steve Wampler)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Absurd Linux mentality ! (Geoff Short)
Re: How do I delete mail from Netscape? (John Soltow)
Linux boot hang ("Douglas Cowan")
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Philip Brown)
Re: Authentication Failed - Xfree86-3.3.5 ("ne...")
Re: How do you pronounce Linux? (Tom Purvis)
Re: Linux, Windows, and cars (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: LILO scrambled after power down (Stuart R. Fuller)
Re: Why dows Netscape say "no DNS for mail/news" ? (Stuart R. Fuller)
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From: "joem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,alt.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Kernel xconfig errors
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:17:31 -0700
Or if you already have gcc make sure it's in your PATH or set somewhere in
your environment.
Gergo Barany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bill Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Now that I am just about finished ripping the last of my hair from my
> >head, it seem like a good idea to ask someone what I am doing wrong.
> <snip>
> >make[1]: gcc: Command not found
>
> Install the gcc package.
>
> Gergo
>
> --
> Kath: Can he be present at the birth of his child?
> Ed: It's all any reasonable child can expect if the dad is present
> at the conception.
> -- Joe Orton, "Entertaining Mr. Sloane"
>
> GU d- s:+ a--- C++>$ UL+++ P>++ L+++ E>++ W+ N++ o? K- w--- !O !M !V
> PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP+ t* 5+ X- R>+ tv++ b+>+++ DI+ D+ G>++ e* h! !r !y+
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dominic Hargreaves)
Subject: File request: /etc/rc.config for a broken Redhat 6.0 system
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:26:52 GMT
Has anyone got a copy of this file from a redhat 6.0 system they could
pass onto me.
What is the purpose of this file, and is it fairly standard for each
distribution?
Thanks,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Per Steinar Iversen)
Subject: MS CD's
Date: 10 Sep 1999 15:56:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a problem with reading MS Select CDs
under linux (RH 6.0, kernel 2.2.12).
The problem is with a CD that contains Office 2000.
If read from a windows box it works well, Office installs.
If the cd is mounted on my linux box and shared out through Samba
it looks ok, but Office does not install, it complains
of "missing components".
If I make a copy of this cd with mkisofs/cdrecord I get the same
result when the copy is read on a windows box. This means
that the problem is not with Samba, but with the
way linux reads/present this CD.
Anyone have an idea on how to fix this problem?
It is extremely useful to use linux to share
a cd-drive when installing programs on windows.
-psi
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:27:26 +1000
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: One must-have program for a newbie
From: Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peter Bishop wrote:
> I believe one of the commercial Unix suppliers (SGI?) has a file
> system called XFS that *does* allow backups while running.
Interesting! Thank you. (it's a pretty basic requirement)
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Subject: Re: Absurd Linux mentality !
From: "Noah Roberts (jik-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 15:05:31 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think 'man cp' will help you greatly. It is rather easy to copy
whole directories...and you can specify behavior when it cowes to
non-file files as well. RTFM!
> My heading is a bit extreme - perhaps ?
>
> Linux users who are proud that they learned what:
> " cd /home; tar cvpf - * | ( cd /newhome; tar xvpf - ) "
> means; don't yet realise that knowledge of this arbitrary syntax, will be of
> no use to them in 10 years time.
>
> Those of you who spent resources learning a dozen different asmbl-langs:
> mov h,p; lod h,p ; ldx h,p ....etc. Where all of these were 'explained'
> in a more universal syntax. eg. N -> [p] , might have realised the
> waste of their time/effort. Apparently most just accept this method.
>
> Certain skills/knowledge is universally applicable. Knowing/remembering
> Peter's , John's, Abdull's..... current telephone number is NOT !!
>
> If you want to move your coffee cup from the left side to the right side,
> you use what I'll call a 'visual method': you look at the cup and at your
> hand manipulating the cup, until the task is completed. Linux mentality
> prefers to wear a blindfold and manipulate the cup via the telephone
> using a necessarily arbitrary syntax.
>
> The originally M$DOS utility 'Norton Commander', is cloned and
> extended for Linux as Midnight Commander. Whereas I could not
> tolerate Linux's school-boy's syntax, having several MidntCmdrs
> (in different VTs), makes Linux somewhat usable. Not only can you
> visually navigate thru the dir-tree, and see files in the current dir
> (with size, date, etc.), you can move, copy, delete....etc. without
> remembering arbitrary syntax. Knowledge/progress means having
> CONCEPTS not WORDS. ie. you don't want to have to remember
> is it 'big' or is it 'large'. Extending the principle of working with ideas
> instead of 'strings of chars'. I don't know and DON'T WANT to know
> how to mount my B: drive. MdntCmd allows eg. to make a dir for
> often used scripts; call one script: 'mount B:' and call another:
> 'unmount B:' . Then in future, easily/visually goto the 'Script' dir
> visually scroll down to the 'well named script', hit enter - done !
>
> Forget the school-boy mentality of being proud of acrobatically
> remembering the 'correct syntax'. A further example:
> files have permission: read, write, execute; for owner, ........etc.
> the command is chmod or modch, or dog-shit or some-thing ?!?
> Using MdntCmdr I don't need to remember the arbitrary syntax.
> All is done via menu and results are visually confirmed !!
>
> In summary: whereas M$win insults one by talking via 'cartoons',
> the 1950's method of 'communicating with the little man in the box
> via shorthand syntax' is absurdly outdated.
>
> My motivation for this post is the realisation that the post bellow is made
> redundant by using Midnight Commander. MC doesn't answer the question,
> it eliminates the need for the question(s) !!
> -------------------------
> On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 23:31:11 GMT, Ted wrote:
> >I just cleared a partition from my hard drive, so now I have two ext2
> >partitions, and I want to move the /home and /misc to the new partition.
> >How should I go about doing that?
> >
> I've seen reports that cp -a /home/* /newhome will work, but I use
>
> cd /home; tar cvpf - * | ( cd /newhome; tar xvpf - )
>
> This is after creating an ext2 file system on the partition using
> mke2fs, doing
>
> mkdir /newhome
>
> and mounting the partition on /newhome. When you're satisfied that the
> files under /newhome are OK, you can
>
> rm -rf /home
>
> and then
>
> mv /newhome /home.
>
> You will then want to add a line to /etc/fstab to mount /home on bootup.
>
> Bob T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Win right-click)
Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:11:43 GMT
<snip>
>>>>> Well, on my Win95B (with IE5) system, the shift-right-click bit does
>>>>> _not_ bring up a menu with "Open With" as an option.
>>>>
>>>>By the way, this only works in Windows Explorer, not in an IE window.
>>
>>Sorry this is incorrect, you have to enable active desktop, and it
>>works.
You do _not_ need active desktop or active-x enabled to do this! SELECT
THE FILE, then hold down shift and right-click. And please, enough
non-Linux stuff...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:54:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
K. Bjarnason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snips]
>
> In article <7r7bhp$coc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> > Repeat after me: A CD is not a vinyl record. A CD is not a vinyl
> > record. A CD is not a vinyl record.
>
> Nope; and the former is more user-friendly than the latter. Smaller,
> easier to store, less prone to sound degradation from scratching.
It's also superior technology, which also goes hand in hand with "more
user-friendly."
> > Repeat after me: A car is not a horse drawn carriage. A car is not a
horse drawn carriage. A car is not a horse drawn carriage.
>
> And the former is more user-friendly than the latter.
Yeah, right, to *us* in the latter part of the Twentieth Century,
perhaps, but I wouldn't be making such Universal Claims about the
earlier part of the century, or the end of the previous one . . .
People back then were *used* to horses, and understood them. People were
a little tense about these newfangled horseless carriages, and those
contraptions were *not* user-friendly by any stretch of the imagination.
Stand in front of the Iron Beast and turn a crank to get it started?
ExcUSE me??! Maximum speed of what, ten miles per hour? My horse can
TROT faster . . . never mind the clanking and other noise, and the
smoke.
No, cars took over because they were better technology, even though they
were *not* as user-friendly, at least not according to the standards of
the day.
> True, both horse and car "get sick" - but cars are generally more
> readily and rapidly repaired.
Again, that holds true for *today* but not necessarily yesterday.
-- snip --
> > Repeat after me: Linux is not Windows. Linux is not Windows. Linux
> > is not Windows.
>
> And the former is...
>
> Oh, yeah, *that's* why it's going to take over. Missed that point,
> did you?
No, it simply boils down to what "user-friendly" really means. Redmond
has the Unwashed Masses pretty well convinced that "user-friendly" means
"just like Windows." If that's *your* definition, then your "point" is
irrelevant. Some consider stability to equate with friendliness, at
least on some level.
And on the flip side, Linux GUIs are getting more sophisticated, just
like a modern car has a much more sophisticated interface than the Model
Ts of yesteryear. I for one am not sure that I *want* a clone of the
Windows GUI on the Next big Thing, be it Linux or FreeBSD or something
else entirely.
Also, as in the car vs. horse anaolgy, user-friendliness, whatever that
really means, may ultimately be secondary in importance to the issue of
better technology, as long as the Next Big Thing is user-friendly
enough.
Curtis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: xterm broken?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:06:09 GMT
In article <7rbr21$um6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Artit J wrote:
>After upgrading to glibc 2.11, xterm no longer runs. It dies with a "No
>available ptys". Any ideas? I tried to compile wterm, but it died with
>an undefined reference to something in libX.
>
>Artit J.
>
>PS. I think I installed glibc right, because i followed the HOWTO and
>was able to compile gcc, wmaker, gtk, glib, and xmms without any
>problems...
xterm works quite fine but you might grab the latest version and
install it from the source. It can be used on a system with Unix98
style PTY support too (as here) and there are no problems so far.
ftp.clark.net://pub/dickey/xterm/
Ta',
Juergen
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From: Steve Wampler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: How do I delete mail from Netscape?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:27:50 -0700
Darren Hole wrote:
>
> kev wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been right through some of my mail folders in order to delete the
> > ones I don't need (Netscape kept crashing with large mail folders).
> > However, the size of the folders on disk has not changed. And, because
> > deleting something moves it to the Trash folder (then I deleted it from
> > there), my Trash mail file is now 68Mb, even though there is 'nothing'
> > in there when viewing the Trash folder in Messenger. How do I make
> > Netscape delete the messages it reckons are already deleted?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > - Kev
>
> Try compact all folders from the file menu. I read that netscape doesn't
> completely remove files even after deleteing them and emptying the trash.
I don't understand this. It certainly seems to remove the dead messages
from folders when I ask it to empty the trash. Granted, if the folder
becomes empty the folder stays around, but it's 0 bytes, and I can
always
delete the folder if I want. Kev shouldn't have to do any more than to
select "Empty Trash..." from the file menu...
Note that manually deleting the contents of the Trash folder doesn't
do what he wants, as that leaves dead messages in the other folders.
He should be able to do a "Compact All Folders" to clean those
out, but why not let Netscape to it all (empty trash and compact)
with the "Empty Trash" operation?
--
Steve Wampler- SOLIS Project, National Solar Observatory
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:29:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
K. Bjarnason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snips]
>
> > A desktop PC also qualifies, provided that the user is not expected
> > to (nay, is *forbidden* from) installing software on it. Part of
> > the Great MS-Illusion is the idea that any random jerk should be
> > able to install software on his or her machine, ***without knowing
> > jack sh*t about computers.***
>
> Nice little attitude there. "It's your machine. It's your software.
> But don't you *dare* attempt to do it yourself. I haven't deemed you
> worthy."
"It's your car. It's your fuel injection system. But don't you *dare*
attempt to [install] it yourself, UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT THE F*CK YOU'RE
DOING."
It has nothing to do with "zealotry" and everything to do with common
sense. Look at the double-chevroned quote up above. See what I
emphasized with THREE ASTERISKS???? You completely ignored that aspect
of the discussion.
That is my complaint -- the idiotic notion that, in order to install
something as complex as Office 97, all you need to know is how to
mindlessly click through the wizard. No. I maintain that understanding
computers in a general sense, and specifically understanding what is
going where, and why, should be a requirement. Knowing how to do a
custom install, and knowing why/when you would need to do so, should
also be expected. Otherwise, the bozo in question should defer to
someone who *is* qualified.
If Office 97 comes preinstalled, then it's obviously a moot issue.
Just like it's a moot issue if your car comes with a fuel injection
system preinstalled, instead of a carburetor.
> Migrating from zealotry into what approaches the mentality behind
> certain states known as "fascist" doesn't help matters any, you know.
Common sense is now "facism?" Spare me.
-- snip --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoff Short)
Subject: Re: Absurd Linux mentality !
Date: 10 Sep 1999 18:38:38 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: My heading is a bit extreme - perhaps ?
Opinions usually are.
: Linux users who are proud that they learned what:
: " cd /home; tar cvpf - * | ( cd /newhome; tar xvpf - ) "
: means; don't yet realise that knowledge of this arbitrary syntax, will be of
: no use to them in 10 years time.
I certainly wouldn't be proud to know that by heart. But I would be able to
easily arrive at the same point by understanding the concepts: working
directories, pipes, subshells. (10 years? tar must be about 30 years old
by now, I'll give fair odds for it lasting another 10.)
: If you want to move your coffee cup from the left side to the right side,
: you use what I'll call a 'visual method': you look at the cup and at your
: hand manipulating the cup, until the task is completed. Linux mentality
: prefers to wear a blindfold and manipulate the cup via the telephone
: using a necessarily arbitrary syntax.
mv /right/cup /left/
verb-noun-location, not exactly arbitary, and without waving about in
the middle with risk of spillage.
: having several MidntCmdrs
: (in different VTs), makes Linux somewhat usable. Not only can you
: visually navigate thru the dir-tree, and see files in the current dir
: (with size, date, etc.), you can move, copy, delete....etc. without
: remembering arbitrary syntax.
Ok, good for you - you've found a useful tool and you're using it. That's
what unix is all about - providing choices for people.
: Knowledge/progress means having
: CONCEPTS not WORDS. ie. you don't want to have to remember
: is it 'big' or is it 'large'.
Abstracts are great for selling things and for artistic pursuits. But in
science, precision is important, ambiguity should be avoided. If big and
large mean different things then you do need to remember which is which.
: Extending the principle of working with ideas
: instead of 'strings of chars'. I don't know and DON'T WANT to know
: how to mount my B: drive. MdntCmd allows eg. to make a dir for
: often used scripts; call one script: 'mount B:' and call another:
: 'unmount B:' . Then in future, easily/visually goto the 'Script' dir
: visually scroll down to the 'well named script', hit enter - done !
In this specific case, there are auto-mount programs which will
automatically handle disks for you -- no scripts required. Or perhaps
you're using a window manager, which probably has a nice disk icon with
mount/unmount options. Or (what I do) you type `mount /b' and it does it.
Or you write your own script, put it in your own directory, and use it
just like any other unix command.
In general, I don't see how a `well named script' will help. Either you
remember what the script was called, or you remember what the command
was called (OK, so mount is a bad example 'cos it's obvious). How many
scripts are you going to have on this list? One for each command (there
are 1774 commands on this RedHat box next to me) It's a lot easier to
type the first few characters than to scroll down a list. And if you want
to do something slightly different, you have to edit the script and then
run it.
: Forget the school-boy mentality of being proud of acrobatically
: remembering the 'correct syntax'. A further example:
: files have permission: read, write, execute; for owner, ........etc.
: the command is chmod or modch, or dog-shit or some-thing ?!?
Yes, chmod, you were right the first time. You see, you're starting to
get the hang of it. It's always chmod, on any unix-like system you care
to endure. You want confirmation, use chmod -v (not always the same on
every unix-like system)
: In summary: whereas M$win insults one by talking via 'cartoons',
: the 1950's method of 'communicating with the little man in the box
: via shorthand syntax' is absurdly outdated.
Old yes. Outdated no. While you're looking for the right menu to click
on and setting the options for the command the menu will run, someone with
a keyboard has done it and moved on to the next task. Unix has evolved to
be fast and powerful (and it doesn't let you forget it). You seem to be
trying to remember the syntax without understanding the concepts.
: My motivation for this post is the realisation that the post below is made
: redundant by using Midnight Commander. MC doesn't answer the question,
: it eliminates the need for the question(s) !!
Actually, I like questions, especially in unix where there's usually more
than one answer:
: cp -av /home/* /newhome
: cd /home; tar cvpf - * | ( cd /newhome; tar xvpf - )
: <use midnight commander>
The first has simplicity on it's side, always a good thing. Although the
-a flag isn't standard across different systems. The second seems like
two sledgehammers, but is more flexible. (What if /newhome is on a
different computer, or you just want the newest files, or you want to
skip all the netscape cache files?) The last is your preference, and I
can't complain about that, but I can complain when you say that the others
are wrong.
Geoff
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something, never stop for a moment. I just [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: John Soltow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: How do I delete mail from Netscape?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:36:00 -0400
kev wrote:
> John Soltow wrote:
>
> > >
> > > - Kev
> >
> > Click "File", click "Compact all folders"
>
> I would, but it's greyed out. What else?
>
> - Kev
Oops. First, click on the top folder (the one labeled "Local Mail") to
select the folder, then click File and then click Compact All folders.
John
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From: "Douglas Cowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,redhat.general
Subject: Linux boot hang
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:41:04 +0100
In redhat 6 when the system is booting up, just after the "Setting quotas"
message (or words to that effect) the bootup seems to cease. I can hit
Ctrl+C and it will continue though.
I found that the problem seems to be the "clock" and "hwclock" programs.
When I try to run either program while logged in, the machine just hangs
until I hit Ctrl+C. This shouldn't happen -- what can be simpler than
reading the BIOS clock!?
The CMOS clock in my system works perfectly.
Are there any ways of fixing this problem -- except removing the clock
section from the startup script?
Douglas Cowan
--
Glasgow, Scotland
ICQ: 1254762
Website: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/d..cowan/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 Sep 1999 18:15:58 GMT
On 9 Sep 1999 10:15:52 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>...
>Most people don't care about *any* operating system. So long as they
>can get done the things they want to do (email, write a document, play
>a game, etc.) they'll be happy.
>
>I suppose it is a bit like the way that I'm really not too fussed
>about what airline I fly with or what airplane I fly in. So long as
>the safety, comfort and convenience issues are handled, I don't care
>if it is United or BA or KLM or Quantas or whoever, and nor do I care
>if the plane was made by Boeing or Airbus.
You should care. Boeing planes let the pilot do whatever he wants.
So if you're flying some american air stoned pilot, you're up the creek.
On an Airbus plane, however, the plane won't LET the pilot do certain
stupid things.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Authentication Failed - Xfree86-3.3.5
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:34:40 GMT
On Sep 10, 1999 at 15:06, root eloquently wrote:
>
>How does one find the "fixes" referred to at the end of this message?
A fix was posted yesterday to c.o.linux.x . A search on Dejanews
should turn it up.
>On 9 Sep 1999 12:09:04 -0500, Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:18:33 -0700, Mike Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>There is a PAM related bug in packages for 4.x and 5.x. There are
>>supposed to be fixes posted later today by RH.
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From: Tom Purvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do you pronounce Linux?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:41:22 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Westin) wrote:
> It's Lynn-ux for the OS and Lie-nus for the guy.
> Don't ask me why though
> :-) Best Regards...
When I was at Colorado State, one of my fellow students
was Finnish. He told me that in Finland, the name Linus
is pronounced Lynn-oos (actually, the oos part was sort
of halfway between an ooh and uh sound). Perhaps he was
talking about his personal neck of Finland.
I don't know if that pronunciation applies to Mr Torvalds
(and I've heard he's not too picky about how his surname
is pronounced) but Lie-nus is definitely more of an
American pronuciation...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: Linux, Windows, and cars
Date: 10 Sep 1999 23:27:06 GMT
Peter Schaffter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: First things first. I'm wondering if someone should create a
: newsgroup called comp.os.linux.newbie.rant. My first couple of
: months with Linux were incredibly frustrating. There was so
: goddamned much to learn! Seemed like for every simple task
: I wanted to accomplish, I had to wade through twenty
: incomprehensible man pages. More than once, I wanted to post
: to this newsgroup, calling Linux all sorts of nasty names.
: Of course, now that I've been doing Linuxing for a while, I read
: rants from newbies (the same rants I might have been tempted to
: write myself) and smile with fond indulgence. Oh yes, I still
: remember. Linux isn't easy on newbies. They need to blow off
: steam every once in a while.
Been there, man. Stopped all progress when I got as far as LI
Now I'm swapping distros just to see which one suits an old 486. Hell I
even learned how to build a module for a really ancient sound card+CDrom
combo when the world was 8-bit :-)
One important lesson: learn when to back off, especially when "tech
fatigue" kicks in.
: Secondly, I'm getting tired of the Linux vs Windows debate (who
: isn't?). Linux doesn't exist in order to "kill Windows." Linux
Too bad the media is still lapping up and playing up the hype. I just
came from the bookstore and the first issue if a Linux Power mag had Tux
the might penguin ripping thru the windows logo.
WIndows will always be there, especially for those who grew up with it,
and know no other way to use the computer. Kids nowadays might see the
debate as completely irrelevant
Me? couldn't get rid of NT at the office, so I used Litestep to minimize
all hints of the beast underneath
--
Andy Purugganan
annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
apurugganan AT amadeuslink DOT com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller)
Subject: Re: LILO scrambled after power down
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:10:01 GMT
Cameron L. Spitzer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stacey Hill wrote:
: >A power outage in our area turn my computer off and on again.
:
: If you shut Linux off without unmounting the file systems,
: the file system checker will run when you start it up.
: In rare cases, it may be possible that the file system checker would
: decide something was wrong with a file that LILO uses,
: and move or remove it.
That's interesting, since fsck runs on file systems, and the boot blocks and
other information used at boot time is not on a file system. Can you cite one
of those rare cases where fsck will mess with the boot blocks?
Stu
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller)
Subject: Re: Why dows Netscape say "no DNS for mail/news" ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:10:01 GMT
Wade Segade ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: In all Window$ apps, the servers are simply "mail" and "news."
Also in your Windows setup, you had a list of domains to be searched (under
Control Panel -> Network -> TCP/IP Properties -> DNS).
To come up with a full hostname, Windows glues together "mail" and one of the
domain names from the TCP/IP Properties->DNS window to get
"mail.city.state.home.com", where "city.state" are your city and state using
@Home's usual practice of domain naming.
Linux has such a list of domains also. It's found, or in your case not found,
in /etc/resolv.conf. See "man resolv.conf" for more details.
Stu
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