Linux-Misc Digest #758, Volume #21 Fri, 10 Sep 99 23:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Newbie Help me: Mosaic etc. (Jimbob)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (John Thompson)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (David Meyers)
Re: Ret Hat 6.0 ---- Help Help Help .... (Rob O'Connell)
Re: Netscape 4.6 + JAVA -> freezes (Howard Pepper)
lint for c. (Shiva Persaud)
Re: netscape 4.51 hangs (Peter Greenwood)
Re: starting KDE on Redhat 6 (Timothy Murphy)
Re: YALNQ: yet another linux noobee question (the Billionth Typing Monkey)
Can't start X-window after upgrading to XFree86-3.3.5 rpm (Fung Wai Keung)
Filesystem Auditing (Chris Zimmerman)
Re: YALNQ: yet another linux noobee question (Robert Norton)
RPC portmapper broken (Andy Johnson)
USITS Conference Hotel & Pre-Reg Savings Deadline - Sept 17, 1999 (Moun Chau)
Re: uudecode and e-mail attachments (Paul Kimoto)
Re: lint for c. (Adrian Hands)
Re: JRE path in redHat Linux 6.0 (Adrian Hands)
Re: STUPID C question (Johan Kullstam)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Darren Winsper)
Re: adaptec AVA1502 HELL! (Bud Beckman)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Darren Winsper)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Darren Winsper)
Re: YALNQ: yet another linux noobee question (Mike Detlefsen)
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From: Jimbob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Newbie Help me: Mosaic etc.
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:42:59 +0930
Hi,
This is my first post (first of many probably) as a newbie Linux user,
who's expertise up to now has really only been with Windoze. So far my
only real gripe with Linux is how difficult it is to install new
applications - mainly, it seems, due to programmer lazyness; you Linux
programers seem to be able to create uncrashable, fast, efficient
applications, but you can't code simple "installers" :) As a
non-programmer, it streches my brain to the limit every time i try to
download an application; which 6 of the 300 possible .tgz files do i
need to download? :)
Anyway, enough of my whinging on that topic. My main problem at the
moment is with Mosaic. I downloaded the binary version of the browser
for Linux, and uncompressed it on my computer; and now i'm just left
with a file called:
Mosaic-linux-2.6
Which I can't seem to do anything with. Is it an executable? If it is,
I can't seem to execute it. Do i have to execute it within X? Is it
some other kind of installation package, and if so, how do I install
it? If anyone out there can help me, please email me <
[EMAIL PROTECTED] >. Oh yeah, and another thing - can anyone tell
me where I can get a list of command line arguements for "startx"? I
can't get a "startx" MAN page up on my system.
I'm running DosLinux. By the way, PPP dialup in Linux is brilliant; i
was expecting it to be a hassle, but it was easier to get on the net in
Linux than it was in Windoze.
--
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Adelaide page http://bands.webzone.net.au/
Anarchy page http://anarchy.dyns.cx/
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I just don't capitalize it anymore.
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:00:20 -0600
"K. Bjarnason" wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >
> > Linux is just a kernel. Generally, when one talks about Linux, they
> > mean distros in general. In terms of package management, each on
> > handles things differently. SuSE, for one thing, is capable of
> > handling dependancies itself if you're installing things from CD.
> Oh, marvellous. Wasn't Linux's strong point supposed to be
> standardization?
According to whom? I thought linux' strong point is that it
works much like Unix, but is cheaper, open source, etc.
> So now we have umpteen different distros, with
> different package managers, with different GUIs, with different...
Yes? Your point?
If I don't like the GUI I have now I can readily change it
to something more to my liking. That's simply not possible
in Windows. If you don't like the Windows GUI you're pretty
much SOL. If you do like the Windows GUI, well, use it and
be happy.
> Windows may not be perfect, but at least the user doesn't have to worry
> that just because he bought his copy from vendor A instead of vendor B,
> even the way he installs applications is totally different. :)
>
> Let me know when *Linux* has *a* standard GUI, with *a* standard - and
> GUI-based - method of installing applications, and we'll compare it to
> Windows in terms of ease-of-use for the end user.
Sounds like you want somebody to wake you up when linux has
transmogrified into Windows. Have a nice nap...
Me, I use Windows at work because I *have* to; I use linux
at home because I *want* to...
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: David Meyers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 10 Sep 1999 17:28:32 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (backspace) writes:
> the windblows version of opera is not that small if you need java
> functionallity. the java plug in is >6+ meg. Add that and a few other
> plugins to the base opera code and you are pretty close to the stand
Anyone out there tried Icab on the Mac? (www.icab.de).
They are still kind of in preview-release mode, but it
looks great so far. Unfortunately, their FAQ says
that they believe that "the graphical interface of Linux
is not very good (compared to the Mac)" and want to
focus on the mac in the next few months.
I figure it can't hurt to at least _ask_ them about a
Linux port, in the hopes that if enough folks do ask,
they'll consider it.
In the meantime, I definately recommend a look. It's
what I use most of the time when I'm booted up under MacOS
instead of LinuxPPC.
--d
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From: Rob O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ret Hat 6.0 ---- Help Help Help ....
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:29:54 -0500
need for info really - could be a fauly cdrom...during the install, do
"alt-right arrow" (alt -left arrow to go back) play around with that, there are
text messages saying what is going on, and maybe it will be more obvious what
is going on...
maybe just deselecting those images form the install will help!
rob
dj wrote:
> I am very new to Linux (usually a Windows user). Recently I bought RH
> version 6 and now trying to install it. I am facing some problems during
> installation. Need help desperately.... :-(
>
> During the installation system always hangs when it comes to install
> "Desktop back ground images" (10.198MB). Once it hanged during the
> installation of another large program. I usually let it run for few hours,
> but seems to have no progress and no activities on my PC. I am very keen to
> install test Linux. Please help.
>
> Here is my disk setup :
>
> Total space 2.5 Gb
> Ram 94 Mb
>
> / 100 Mb
> /usr 1200 Mb
> /home 1000 Mb
> swap 50 Mb
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From: Howard Pepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,netscape.public.mozilla.java
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.6 + JAVA -> freezes
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:00:48 -0400
Daniel P. Gelinske wrote:
> Bev wrote:
>
> > Nils Bluethgen wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello out there,
> > >
> > > I have a question about NETSCAPE 4.6 / 4.61 and JAVA. On some (not on
> > > all!) of our computers (we run linux-RH6.0) Netscape freezes when I open
> > > the URL
> > >
> > > http://www.stadtplandienst.de/query;ORT=b;LL=13.420389x52.54105
> > >
> > > with JAVA enabled. Without JAVA there's no problem,
> > >
> > > I read about the wrong fontpath-settings, but this does
> > > not seem to be the problem, since chkfontpath --list prints:
> > >
> > > Current directories in font path:
> > > 1: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
> > > 2: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled
> > > 3: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled
> > > 4: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1
> > > 5: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo
> > > 6: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi
> > > 7: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi
> > > 8: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic
> > > 9: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/mytype1
> > > 10: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttfonts
> > > 11: /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1
> > >
> > > I also upgraded to Netscape 4.61, which gave the same result. Has someone
> > > an idea?
> >
> > No, but FWIW the page loads OK with the NS 4.51+java+javascript that
> > installed along with SuSE 6.1. MY problem is that the stupid
> > spellchecker freezes it! Oh yeah, other random things freeze it too.
> >
> > Nicer looking map than mapquest...
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Bev
> > oxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox
> > Is there any way I can help without
> > you know, really getting involved?
> > -- Jennifer, WKRP
>
> Seems to work fine in Red Hat 5.2 with NS 4.61 with java/javascript enabled.
>
> Dan
That's funny, I haven't been able to get Java to work on ANY version of
Netscape (Linux) above 4.05
(which I'm currently running). Same for my friend at work and for our RH 6.0
box at work. Go to any page with Java, the Browser crashes!
Howard
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From: Shiva Persaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lint for c.
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:41:44 -0400
Where can I get lint.. the c debugger?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Greenwood)
Subject: Re: netscape 4.51 hangs
Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:36:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I am using netscape 4.51 as installed by
>slackware 4. It mostly works ok, but every time
>I visit barnesandnoble.com it locks up and
>has to be killed, often requiring -9. Then I
>tried arena but it turns the page into a garbled mess.
>What to do?
It seems to be a pretty lethal site - kills chimera quite effectively too.
However, mosaic can make some sort of sense from it (how "garbled" can you
stand?).
.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Murphy)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: starting KDE on Redhat 6
Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:00:54 +0100
Timothy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Doesn't seem to work for me for some reason - always starts up in gnome
>(enlightenment) unless I specifically choose kde from the options menu every time
>during login.
I think if you have a file /etc/sysconfig/desktop with "KDE" in it
then KDE will be chosen by default.
[Nb This could be wrong, and is deduced from my experience.
I don't know where this rather important point is documented.
The documentation for KDE is very bad,
thought not as bad as that for GNOME,
which is appalling.
Both developments suffer from the delusion
that they have made it "obvious" what to do,
and so don't need to bother with man pages, etc.]
--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tel: +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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From: the Billionth Typing Monkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.sci.seti
Subject: Re: YALNQ: yet another linux noobee question
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:53:11 -0700
John Girash wrote:
> : setiathome-1_3_i386-pc-linux-gnu-gnulibc2_1.tar
> This one requires libc6.1 (aka glibc 2.1) to be installed on your system.
> : setiathome-1_3_i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1.tar
> This one expects libc5 (which is almost never referred to as glibc1).
> : setiathome-1_3_i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1-static.tar
> This one has libc5 (aka glibc1) statically linked inside the binary. Go with
=========== snipped for brevity =============
Wow, thanks John. That's exactly what I was looking for. Next question
would be, "How did you know?" Specifically, where would one go for the
aka's?
> "ls -l /lib/libc*" should give you a good idea.
I get 6 files listed here of which 3 are links (renames, I suppose).
The files are
libc-2.0.6.so
libcom_err.so.2.0
libcrypt-2.0.6.so
So does 2.0.6 mean I'm running ver 2.0.6 libc or is this the ver 6 for
the 2.0 Linux kernel??
What about the following?
Linux glibc2 x86 mt
Linux glibc2.1 and glibc2 x86 mt
Linux libc5 x86 mt
Linux aout x86 non-mt
Linux libc5 x86 non-mt
We're past the C libs but what do aout, mt and non-mt mean?
Thanks again.
A most appreciative noob,
Kevin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fung Wai Keung)
Subject: Can't start X-window after upgrading to XFree86-3.3.5 rpm
Date: 11 Sep 1999 00:22:59 GMT
Hi,
I can't start X-window in normal user access after upgrading to
XFree86-3.3.5 rpms. The error returned is like the following
wkfung@maemb3~>startx
Authentication failed - cannot start X server.
Perhaps you do not have console ownership?
[Press Ctrl-C]
xinit : unexpected signal 2
However, I can start X-window with root access. Please help me to
solve this problem.
Thanks in advance.
--
Regards,
Wai Keung, Fung
Department of Mechanical and Automation Engineering,
The Chinese University of Hong Kong,
Shatin, N.T.,
Hong Kong.
Tel: (852)26098056 Fax: (852)26036002
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From: Chris Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Filesystem Auditing
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:00:09 -0500
Does anyone know of a package that I can use to monitor a directory or
selected files for the names of those users that access the files? This
would be a temporary thing....
Thanks,
Chris Zimmerman
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:54:05 -0500
From: Robert Norton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.sci.seti
Subject: Re: YALNQ: yet another linux noobee question
John Girash wrote:
> <snip>
> <flamebait>
> <snip>
> As someone who does astronomy for a living, I'm a big fan of the seti@home
> concept. But they fact is, they're swamped already and should have disallowed
> further client downloads (and data uploads from new clients) long ago, pending
> if and when they get a second data set to reduce. It's just common courtesy.
>
> My apologies to the seti@home folk if I've missed a subtlety here that implies
> they're not causing most client cpus to spin their wheels, but they certainly
> haven't done a good job at clarifying the situation against these criticisms.
> </flamebait>
Sorry, can't flame you, I agree. Don't worry, somebody will justify putting
on the asbestos underwear in just a moment now...
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From: Andy Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.databases.oracle,comp.databases.oracle.misc,comp.databases.oracle.tools
Subject: RPC portmapper broken
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:57:27 -0500
I recently recompiled a kernel to increase the process and file limits
in preparation for installing Oracle Application Server 4.0.7, and
everything seems to work ok, except that the RPC portmapper gives the
following error when started:
Starting RPC portmap daemon
Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Bad
file descriptor
unable to register (UGIDPROG, UGIDVERS, UDP)
Here is what the README says I need to do:
Linux Kernel limits
Since OAS 4.0.7 is extensively multi-threaded and each thread
appears as a seperate process on Linux, please ensure that the
process limit per user is atleast 512. ('ulimit -a' would give
information on these limits). If not, a kernel rebuild is
required. The following variables may need to modified before
rebuilding the kernel :
/usr/include/linux/fs.h : NR_OPEN, NR_FILE, NR_INODE
/usr/include/linux/limits.h : NR_OPEN, OPEN_MAX
/usr/include/linux/posix_types.h : FD_SETSIZE
/usr/include/linux/tasks.h : NR_TASK
I've double checked all the files to be sure I got them all. Does
anyone know of any others that I may need to change? BTW, I quadrupled
the original numbers, and I'm using SuSE 6.1 w/kernel 2.2.7. When I get
this fixed I can reformat the NT box at work running OAS and actually
get IT support behind me. Then its on to Oracle 8i for Linux, but I'm
waiting on the Parallel Server (clustered) edition.
Thanks
Andy Johnson
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comp.infosystems.www.users,comp.lang.java,comp.org.eff,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.security,comp.security.unix,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.admin,ieee.admin
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Subject: USITS Conference Hotel & Pre-Reg Savings Deadline - Sept 17, 1999
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: uudecode and e-mail attachments
Date: 10 Sep 1999 17:52:21 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7r0daa$jpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Occasionally,
> a file will open with the heading "base 64".
You may need to use a package like "mpack" (which contains a program
"munpack") to extract these. Use your favorite WWW search engine to
find out where to get it ...
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lint for c.
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:02:47 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Shiva Persaud wrote:
>
> Where can I get lint.. the c debugger?
With gcc/egcs you don't need it. Compiling with the "-Wall" option will
do the checks that lint does.
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: JRE path in redHat Linux 6.0
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:18:19 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Hughes wrote:
(snip)
> install this log analyzer, it asks me for the JRE (Java Resource
> Environment) path. . . . question is: where is it? Am not sure and it
> continues to fail.
(snip)
as my mom would say, "it's right where you put it!".
download it from java.blackdown.org and put it some place nice, like
/var/jre or /usr/local/jre
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: STUPID C question
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 21:37:01 -0400
me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm new to programming in linux......but i do know C. the following
> piece of code is giving me a problem.
that may because it's not C. it looks like C++-isms have crept in.
> i've marked off where the problem occurs below.
>
> please help.
> ali
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> struct timeval time
> struct timezone obselete;
> gettimeofday(&time,&obselete); //current time
>
>
> if (!strcmp(argv[1],"start")) //THE IF PORTION OF
> THIS LOOP RUNS JUST FINE!!!
> {
> printf("current time is: %li\n",time.tv_sec);
> printf("writing temp file\n");
> FILE *fp=fopen("/tmp/ppplogtmp","wb");
^^^^
you can't just go around declaing stuff willy nilly.
in C you would do
FILE *fp;
at the start of the block. then
fp = fopen(....);
you may have confused the C compiler.
> fwrite(&time.tv_sec,sizeof(time.tv_sec),1,fp);
> printf("temp data value written\n");
> fclose(fp);
> }
>
>
> else //
> {
> if (!strcmp(argv[1],"end"))
> {
> FILE *fp=fopen("/tmp/ppplogtmp","rb");
> FILE *fp2=fopen("/home/ali/ISP.log","r");
^^^
same problem again
> if (fp2==NULL) //initializes new file
> {timearrayfp2=initializelog(fp2);}
what happens if you fail on opening fp2? how does fp2 ever get set to
a non-NULL value? is initalizelog some kind of C++ pass-by-reference
function? perhaps you should do something else rather than continuing
blithely on to attempt reading of a dead fp2.
> //------------------------------------------------------------------
> /*HERE'S THE PROBLEM.....IN THE IN THE FIRST LINE BELOW....IE 'char
> buffer[80]'
> BUFFER DOESNT GET ASSIGNED TO A PROPER VALUE IN MEMORY IE. IT
> GETS
> ASSIGNED A VALUE LIKE -182948394 OR SOMETHING. TO MAKE THIS
> STATEMENT
> WORK I HAVE TO USE MALLOC. WHY???
> PROBLEM NUMBER 2....EVEN WHEN BUFFER IS ASSIGNED A PROPER VALUE
> IN MEMORY
> fgets(buffer,80,fp2) DOESNT READ A VALUE FROM THE STREAM fp2.
> BUFFER
> JUST STAYS EMPTY. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY!!!!!!
> THE REST OF THE PROGRAM IS DEPENDANT ON THIS VARIABLE.
> */
>
>
> char buffer[80]; //THE
> PROBLEM STARTS HERE!!!!!!!!
yes. put `char buffer[80];' at the start of the function or at
least at the top of this block. C doesn't allow declarations just
anywhere.
> fgets(buffer,80,fp2); //AND
> CONTINUES THROUGHOUT THE CODE
how do you know fp2 isn't NULL?
> //-------------------------------------------------
>
> printf("%d %d\n",buffer,fp2);
> printf("%s\n", buffer);
> .....
> .....
> .....
>
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[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:43:20 GMT
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:06:35 -0700, K. Bjarnason
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The car analogy is flawed, simply because you can't drive a car
> > without a license.
>
> Last I checked, that license did _not_ include how to rebuild an engine.
Last I checked, you didn't have to recompile kernels and such to get a
working system. Case in point; Caldera OpenLinux 2.3. Corel should
be coming out with a beta of their new distro very soon. It is based
around Debian, and you know how good the package management of Debian
is, don't you?
--
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Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
Java leads to Javascript. Javascript leads to Shockwave. Shockwave leads
to . . . suffering.
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From: Bud Beckman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: adaptec AVA1502 HELL!
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:04:17 -0600
Dave Nejdl wrote:
> Are you using a boot disk? Does it have the SCSI detect in it?
Bud
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:43:21 GMT
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:27:51 -0700, K. Bjarnason
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, marvellous. Wasn't Linux's strong point supposed to be
> standardization?
Eh?! When did I say that? Repeat after me; choice is good.
Of course, you *can* standadise. I could standardise on GNOME/Gtk,
and get a consistent look and feel. Alternatively, I could go down
the KDE route, but I just prefer GNOME.
> So now we have umpteen different distros, with
> different package managers, with different GUIs, with different...
Target audiences?
> Windows may not be perfect, but at least the user doesn't have to worry
> that just because he bought his copy from vendor A instead of vendor B,
> even the way he installs applications is totally different. :)
If you really want standard:
tar xfz <filename>
cd <dirname>
./configure
make
make install
> Let me know when *Linux* has *a* standard GUI, with *a* standard - and
> GUI-based - method of installing applications, and we'll compare it to
> Windows in terms of ease-of-use for the end user.
Linux != Windows. Of course, some (Including me) would argue there
have been better ways of doing things. Take my beloved RISC OS; in
1996, my installation method of choice was drag and drop. Drag *one*
icon to where I wanted the program to install, and drop. There, it
was installed. This has been standard since 1989!
> Oh, and let's not forget other little issues that go along with that,
> such as standardized GUI-driven uninstall mechanisms,
I'm sure Caldera allows that. Also, GnoRPM does that I believe. I'm
willing to bet Corel's distro will too.
> so the user knows
> exactly where he has to look to remove an application if he wants -
> something equivalent to add/remove programs.
Assuming I went down the RPM route, I'd already have that with GnoRPM.
Since I like compiling from source, that system has become a little
redundant.
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Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:43:22 GMT
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:20:27 -0700, K. Bjarnason
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hard to use, fragile and crap - the Microsoft Windows Experience.
>
> Easy to use, rock-solid (at least the NT flavours) and fun - the Windows
> experience.
Tell that to my friend who seems to have to reinstall Win98 every
other month.
> Yes, I know, it doesn't like the sort of $1.99 hardware people who can
> only afford a free OS will typically throw at it; then again, if you're
> worried about stability, you shouldn't be trying to run on crap
> hardware. Get a real machine.
>
> That, by the way, is serious advice, not some pointless jab.
You call an x86 based machine a "real machine"?!
> I've seen
> a few - very few - unstable NT installs, and so far, they're almost
> exclusively due to crap hardware. Given decent - and we're not talking
> top-of-the-line here, just in proper working order - equipment, and NT
> has always, in my experience, run rock-solid.
And you solve the DLL Hell problem how?
> Yeah, Win9x are somewhat less so - then again, if stability is your
> concern, which it is or you wouldn't be whining about "fragile" - then
> you're not running Win9x in the first place.
NT is much more expensive than Win9x, and won't run all the games I
want to run. Is it so much to ask for a stable version of Windows at
an affordable price?
--
Darren Winsper - http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/darren.winsper
Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
Java leads to Javascript. Javascript leads to Shockwave. Shockwave leads
to . . . suffering.
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Crossposted-To: alt.sci.seti
Subject: Re: YALNQ: yet another linux noobee question
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Detlefsen)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:38:11 GMT
John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now that they've
> got well over 1M clients and the average speed has increased, they're closing
> in on 2-1 redundancy, i.e. every work unit will be sent to two machines.
> This is a huge huge huge waste of resources
Well, if I were setting up such a system, I'd want *some* redundancy due
to the idiots out here that think it's fun to try to send bogus results.
In fact, I'd set it up to send it a third time if the first two didn't
match. Obviously this is a very small percentage of work units, but
still. What else are the resources going to be used for? A cute penguin
screen saver? :-) I can't speak for other people, but I don't leave my
machine on just so I can run Setia@home.
Mike
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