Linux-Misc Digest #812, Volume #21               Tue, 14 Sep 99 19:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Fetchmail problem - can't open temp file - HELP (Warren Bell)
  GNU Maverik 5.2 released (Jon Cook)
  Re: linux box set up, no cd rom, no modem, need help ("Blacka")
  Re: Are tar tapes OS dependent? (Robert Heller)
  Re: Sound help needed (Peter T. Breuer)
  ssh as a process ("Jm")
  Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: ssh as a process (Lars Gullik Bj�nnes)
  Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Gary Hallock)
  disk write performance (Pat Kling)
  Re: SoundCard (George Karabotsos)

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:22:16 +0000
From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fetchmail problem - can't open temp file - HELP

Does anyone know what this means?  I'm haveing mail system problems and
tried manually running fetchmail against my .fetchmailrc in my home
directory.  I'm getting this error:

[wjbell@linux wjbell]$ fetchmail
fetchmail: No mail for wjbell at mail.ca.jps.net
1 message (1 seen) for wjbell at table.jps.net (521 octets).
skipping message 1 not flushed
fetchmail: System error, can't open temporary file, do you own it?
fetchmail: Authorization failure on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail: authorization error while fetching from mail.ca.jps.net
fetchmail: Query status=3

What temporary file is it talking about?  I just reinstalled so what
could be messed up?

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From: Jon Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce,alt.sources.d
Subject: GNU Maverik 5.2 released
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:33:36 +0100 (BST)

===========================================================
The University of Manchester announces GNU Maverik 5.2: 
a free Virtual Reality system for GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, IRIX, 
Windows NT/98 and MacOS.
===========================================================

The Advanced Interfaces Group, in the Department of Computer Science
at the University of Manchester, UK, announces the release of GNU
Maverik 5.2, a software system for supporting Virtual Reality
applications.

GNU Maverik is Free software released under the GNU General Public
License, and is released with full source code, documentation and
example programs. As of release 4.3 GNU Maverik is an official
component of the Free Software Foundation's GNU Project located in
Boston, USA.

(A fully-linked Web version of this announcement is at
http://aig.cs.man.ac.uk/systems/Maverik/pr.html)

=======
CONTACT (for Maverik enquiries)
=======

Dr Roger Hubbold
Department of Computer Science
Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL, United Kingdom
Tel: (44) 161 275 6158
Fax: (44) 161 275 6204
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://aig.cs.man.ac.uk

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CONTACT (for GNU/Free Software Foundation enquiries)
=======

Timothy Ney
Free Software Foundation
59 Temple Place, Suite 330
Boston, MA  02111, USA
Tel: (617) 542-5942
Fax: (617) 542-2652
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.gnu.org

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WHAT IS MAVERIK?
================

Maverik is a system for managing graphics and interaction in Virtual
Reality applications. It is designed to address the challenges of highly
interactive virtual environments containing many objects with complex
geometry. Maverik uses either Mesa or OpenGL to perform rendering and runs
on GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, IRIX, Windows NT/98 and MacOS.

==================
WHAT's NEW IN 5.2?
==================

The main new feature in version 5.2 is support for FreeBSD and
MacOS. The numerous minor additions and modifications are listed in
the change log (http://aig.cs.man.ac.uk/systems/Maverik/VERSIONS.html).

================
DOWNLOAD MAVERIK
================

The complete Maverik distribution is available as both RPMs and gzipped
tars from http://aig.cs.man.ac.uk/download/index.html, and also from
ftp.gnu.org.

================================
EXAMPLES OF MAVERIK APPLICATIONS
================================

Visit the Maverik Applications Gallery
(http://aig.cs.man.ac.uk/systems/Maverik/gallery.html) for examples of
a wide range of Maverik applications.

====================
WHY MAVERIK IS NOVEL
====================

Maverik dispenses with a separate representation for application data.
Conventional VR systems need to import data into their own format, but
Maverik avoids this by making use of the application's own internal data
structures. This has two important benefits:

1) Maverik can easily take advantage of optimisations that are highly
   application-specific, intimately tied to knowledge that the application
   has.

2) Maverik can far more readily adapt (dynamically) to a wide range of
   application demands. Its flexible design means that applications with
   widely differing requirements can be supported.

========================
THE MAVERIK ARCHITECTURE
========================

Maverik has two main parts:

1) The Maverik micro-kernel implements a set of core services, and a
   framework that applications can use to build complete virtual
   environments and virtual reality interfaces.

2) The Maverik supporting modules contain default methods for
   optimised display management including culling, spatial management,
   interaction and navigation, and control of VR input and output
   devices. Maverik's structure allows these default methods to be
   customised to operate directly on application data, so that optimal
   representations and algorithms can be employed.

============
RELATED WORK
============

Maverik provides a framework and toolkit for a single user to
perceive, interact with, and navigate around, a graphically complex
Virtual Environment. Although it can be used stand-alone for
single-user VR applications, it has been designed to integrate with a
large-scale distributed multi-user VR system called Deva, currently
under development (http://aig.cs.man.ac.uk/systems/Deva). Deva
supports multiple virtual worlds and applications, together with
sophisticated methods of specifying behaviours and laws for objects
within VEs. The Advanced Interfaces Group plans to release the Deva
system at a later date.

================
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
================

Funding for development of Maverik was provided by the UK's
Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (grant GR/K99701),
with additional support from our industrial partners, CADCentre Ltd,
Brown & Root Ltd, and Sharp Laboratories of Europe Ltd.

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From: "Blacka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux box set up, no cd rom, no modem, need help
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:03:39 -0700

THank you very much for your help, these newsgroups have helped me very
much, and maybe one day I will be able to answer questions like you pro's

Orrin Jolly
Gary W. Sandvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7rlijb$c59$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> You will need to create a boot disk with network support. If you have a
scsi
> based system then you might try scsi.i. If an IDE based system then use
> net.i. The color.gz is a generic rootdisk choice.
>
> Once you have booted the kernel and did your disk partition work then
select
> setup and do a NFS install. Oh! You might want to be sure to setup NFS
> shares on the networked Win/9X system. The easiest I've found is using the
> OMNI-4 NFS server software. You can download this from shareware.com, do a
> search at shareware.com for NFS then select the OMNI-NFS server software.
It
> is Shareware and a really nice interface, simple to setup.
>
> Once you have the NFS shares, the install is straight forward and the
speed
> is dependent on your network. I've done several installs this way without
a
> hitch.
> --
> Regards and God Speed,
>
> Gary
>
> Gary W. Sandvik
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 309-676-0224 (fax)
> Blacka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:z2pD3.9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi, I currently have a windows 98 machine, and a pent 90 with DOS. I was
> > wondering if it was possible to install linux on the DOS computer
through
> a
> > network. Does the network have to be set up first? The hub and all the
> other
> > stuff are set up, but stuff like samba are not in place since linux isnt
> > installed yet.
> >
> > My question : How do I install linux on a pentium 90 computer which has
no
> > modem, and no cd-rom, it only has a network card. Please help me.
> >
> > Orrin Jolly
> >
> >
>
>



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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are tar tapes OS dependent?
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:58:00 GMT

  Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  In a message on 14 Sep 1999 17:30:15 -0400, wrote :

JK> Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JK> 
JK> > Note:  There are versions of tar for MacOS, WinZip understands tar, tar
JK> > is available under OS-9 and VMS.  Tar *is* the cross-platform archiver
JK> > (tape or otherwise).  I wrote a version of tar for Lisp Machines (in
JK> > lisp of course).  I wrote a version of it for my CP/M-68K box.
JK> 
JK> however windows does not understand tar format *floppies*.
JK> 
JK> linuxbox$ tar cvf /dev/fd0 stuff
JK> 
JK> insert floppy into ms-dos box.  try to read.  watch microsoft eat
JK> flaming death.

Yeah, ms-dos is dumb.  But it is possible to:

linuxbox$ mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt
linuxbox$ tar czvf /mnt/foo.tgz stuff
linuxbox$ umount /mnt

And then pop the floppy into a MS-Windows box and drag A:\foo.tgz onto
the WinZip icon and have WinZip happily uncompress the file and give you
something like a 'tar tvf' output and then just as happily do somthing
like a 'tar xvf temp.tar -C someplace' for you...

I've moved files on tar *tapes* between UNIX (assorted flavors), VMS,
OS-9, CP/M-68K, and TI Lisp Machines, with no problems.  I've built
xxx.tar.gz *files* on my Linux box and unpacked them on a MS-Windows box
with WinZip.  And moved xxx.tar.gz files to MacOS boxes as well.

JK> 
JK> i have been very successful using tar floppies to move data between my
JK> home linux box and a sun sparc at work.

Right, because both Linux and SunOS/Solaris understand about floppies as
raw devices and well as block structured devices with a file system. 
MS-Windows only sees floppies as disks with a file system and cannot
gronk the idea of raw direct I/O to a disk.

JK> 
JK> -- 
JK> J o h a n  K u l l s t a m
JK> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
JK> Don't Fear the Penguin!
JK>                                      






              
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter T. Breuer)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.linux.slakware,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Sound help needed
Date: 14 Sep 1999 21:50:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

J. Escalante ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: How do use lsmod to tell me whether the module is been used?

You run it. If the module IS used it will be in the list.

: As to whether I set up the pnpdump & the isapnp, well... all I've done is recompile 
:the
: kernel and select the choice for the  card that that emulates SB /16.

Don't. You don't need to (and should NOT) recompile the kernel to use
isapnp. It's EITHER isapnp OR the kernel that configures the card, not
both. Read the PNP-HOWTO.

You also certainly shouldn't need to recompile the kernel for sound
support. Read Modules-HOWTO. 

: I know we newbies can be a bit annoying due to our ignorance regarding Linux, but 
:please

It's not ignorance but stupidity that's annoying ...

: bear with me and try to give me an extra hand, I really need it.

: Thanks Glenn
: Glenn Meuth wrote:

: > Well, lsmod will tell you if the module is in use . . . but I can't be much help 
:from
: > there.  I assume you have already set up the card with pnpdump & isapnp . . .


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From: "Jm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ssh as a process
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:46:53 +0200

I was wondering if there are any suggestions here about running ssh
deamon(process)
I installed ssh2 and made it work (yeah!!) well...i want it to start each
time the box is rebooted etc. So i made some kind of a process out of it in
/etc/rc.d/init.d/ and linked it to /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/
So far so good, but the "code" of the process is a bit foggy, it like this:

#! /bash/sh
# description Start SSHD2
            /usr/local/sbin/sshd2
exit 0

Well it starts ok but i would like to be able to stop it without killing the
process, so this should/could be a lot different.
So do any of you have an suggestion to what i could do?
Or maybe some refrences to howto?

Aloso i'm not quite sue if this is the propper way to do it, so if you got
any hints, reply!

Thx

Jm



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:55:20 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Dominico, Jr.) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <7rjom8$8gl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


> >Yeah, I've got an attitute. So do you. So do all of the contemptible
> >trolls and other MS-Defenders who post here, saying that people
> >shouldn't hafta know nuthin' at all about 'puters but should still be
> >able to modify them, change them, with impunity, by being able to
> >install 100+ megabytes of data and code without knowing anything
> >about the processes involved.
>
> I am by no means a troll, nor am I defending MS.  I thought this ng
> was supposed to be about intelligent debate, but you don't seem
> willing to even listen to anyone else.  What I disagree with is the
> notion that END-USERS need to be intimately familiar with the
> processes going on during an install.

"Intimately familiar????"  Where have I ever said "intimately familiar?"

See? That's why I have an attitude. It's because people like you first
accuse me of not listening to my opponents, then you give me some
sanctimonious schpeel about "how to win debates," and then you finish up
by putting words in my mouth!

And you wonder why I have an attitude???!?!!

> Do you honestly know everything that goes on during an Office
> instal, etc.?

Have I claimed to "know everything?" Have I said that anyone *should*
"know everything?" To quote President Reagan, "There you go again!"
Putting words in my mouth.

-- snip --

> Honestly, what is your beef with end users?

Talk about listening . . . if you read my posts with an open mind, and
yes, a thicker skin would admittedly help, you will see that I have no
"beef" with end-users.  I simply think that it would be in an end-user's
own best interest to understand what they are doing when installing
software, because, as you noted, it does do a lot of things under the
hood.

Including overwriting dlls, and updating the registry. All I suggest is
that someone trying to install software should know a little bit about
computers. A little bit.

Should I repeat myself? A little bit. Not "intimate knowledge."

Not CNE or BSEE or PhD.

A little bit.

Like understanding a file system. Understanding a directory tree, and
how to navigate it.

A little bit.

Knowing where the default Documents directory is for the particular
package they are installing. Knowing how to change it.

A little bit.

Is it sinking in, yet, or are you gonna put some more words in my mouth?

> Unfortunately, you are one of those people who insists that computers
> ought to be hard to use.

Yup. Putting more words in my mouth . . .

Computers *are* hard to use, fallacies from Redmond notwithstanding. It
takes training. Thick books. CBTs. Etcetera.

If computers were as easy to use as Redmond has you convinced they are,
we wouldn't have all those ten-pound "Using Word 97" and "Excel 97
Unleashed" books at your local Barnes and Noble.

> This way, you can maintain your feelings of elitism.  "How dare a
> lowly end-user expect to install a program???"

More words in my mouth. If you really believe in listening to your
opponents, as you so sanctimoniously preach, you would understand that
all I suggest is that the end user understand a little bit about
computers before installing stuff.

A little bit.

Is it sinking in, or must I repeat myself???

> To expect that an end-user never install a program without an intimate
> knowledge of the processes at work is ridiculous.

"Intimate knowledge" again??  Mr. "I-Listen-To-My-Opponent?"

Your being a hypocrite at this stage.

-- [Remainder of Mr. Dominico's NOT listening to me, but] --
-- [putting Straw Man words in my mouth instead, snipped] --

Curtis


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Gullik Bj�nnes)
Subject: Re: ssh as a process
Date: 15 Sep 1999 00:08:53 +0200

"Jm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

| Well it starts ok but i would like to be able to stop it without killing the
| process, so this should/could be a lot different.

Why do you want this?

you want to send a -STOP to the process?, or do you mean to terminate
it without loosing connections to remote computers?

| So do any of you have an suggestion to what i could do?
| Or maybe some refrences to howto?
| 
| Aloso i'm not quite sue if this is the propper way to do it, so if you got
| any hints, reply!

It is a bit unclear what you want, but a staring point is the other
scripts in /etc/rc.d/init.d/ 


        Lgb

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:07:22 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie

"K. Bjarnason" wrote:

>
>
> Yes, I'm aware you can do this.  So presumably, neighbour John walks
> around with a set of floppies containing the files for his preferred
> GUI, and every time he wants to use a different machine, he installs it?
> I don't think so.
>

Of course  not.  I have at least half a dozen window managers installed on my machine. 
 When I want to use a different one,
I just select it from the login screen when I log in.   And if  I  want to use KDE and 
someone else logging in wants to use
Gnome. it's easy.  Each userid can have it's own default for the window manager.

Gary


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Subject: disk write performance
From: Pat Kling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 16:56:23 -0400



Is there a utility to measure disk write performance
similar to how hdparm measuures read performance?  I
have run hdparm on my IBM DMVS18V SCSI drives with the
following results:

 Timing buffer-cache reads:   64 MB in  0.48 seconds =133.33 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  32 MB in  1.89 seconds =16.93 MB/sec

I've written my own simple read and write timing programs with the
following result:

 Read timing:  15.5 MB/sec
 Write timing:  7.7 MB/sec

Using "time dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1048576 count=1000" gives
a comparable timing of 6.8 MB/sec

1000+0 records in
1000+0 records out
0.01user 14.14system 2:26.31elapsed 9%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (96major+14minor)pagefaults 0swaps

I know that the drives are capable of writing 15 MB/sec since they
have demonstrated this under other operating systems   The read 
performance under all three OS's is consistently 16 MB/sec.

TIA,

Pat Kling

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From: George Karabotsos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.linux.slakware,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: SoundCard
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:58:10 -0400

Look at /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/AWE32 for instructions.

"J. Escalante" wrote:
> 
> How can I stall a sound card using isapnp?
> 
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