Linux-Misc Digest #812, Volume #23 Sat, 11 Mar 00 06:13:04 EST
Contents:
Problems posting announcement of GNUware SourceIT! to freshmeat.net ("Kerry J. Cox")
Mndrk 7 suspend prob on Tosh Sat 4010CDS
Re: best way to make BACKUP image of hard drive (Luke)
Dual Processor Image Editing Programs. (JPRTIST)
Copying entire partitions... over the network ? (Andreas Grosche)
Re: C++ in Linux (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Re: My system has been cracked -- Help! ("Jason Byrne")
Re: Dual Booting with NT ("Jason Byrne")
EQL Plus (Chuck Putman)
Re: Linux compilation problem (Phil Stewart)
Re: Copying entire partitions... over the network ? (David Williams)
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From: "Kerry J. Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc,fido.ger.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,de.comp.os.unix.linux.newusers
Subject: Problems posting announcement of GNUware SourceIT! to freshmeat.net
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:46:33 -0700
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Steve,
I resubmitted the announcement about the GNuware SourceIT release because I feel
you are making a mistake by not publicizing the site. I know of many
people who would be happy to know of the GNUware source due to the slowness or utter
lack of an Internet connection on their side. For them, Linux source code
is sometimes unattainable. I have written to a large number of people of Malaysia,
for example, who do not have the Internet connectivity to test all the
programs you publish to your site. GNuware offers the option for bartering or making
a comparable exchange to those people in less-developed countries. For
example, one customer from Russia with no means of transmitting hard currency to
GNUware for a CD, offered a small Matroishka doll for a GNUware CD. He
received the CD and is ready to make a trade for the latest release.
How does GNUware differ from the other Linux releases published on your site?
Linux Weekly News seems to feel GNUware important enough to announce as do
many other Linux sites, yet Freshmeat continues to deny letting others know about a
resource that offers a wide collection of Linux source code for
redistribution in hard copy rather than by downloading it through your site.
When I mentioned downloading the source code on the announcement, which you
deleted again, I was referring to the manner in which users can download the
source code from off the CD onto their hard drive for their own use. This could have
been better explained had you permitted the publication of this
information via freshmeat.net.
Why will you accept the posting of other commercial CD releases on your site and
not those of GNUware?
How are people ever going to start using Linux software without the possibility of
accessing the software? How will Linux move forward if people must
continue to rely on your site for the sole source of Linux software and news? This
becomes especially problematic when your site experiences problems with the
MySQL server as I experienced numerous times on Thursday, March 9, 2000 and was unable
to access any information whatsoever.
I feel strongly that others around the world, who do not enjoy the high bandwidth
that many of us now take for granted, cannot use or access even a
fraction of the Linux source code now available. For example, in Germany regular
telephone use is charged by the minute. There is no flat rate for Internet
use via a modem. Every time you access the Internet you are charged by the minute.
This makes large or numerous downloads expensive and impractical. GNUware
simply tries to make this available to them. The cost of the CD covers GNUware's
operating costs. It requires money to purchase the blank CDs, pay for
Internet service, purchase a secure certificate, etc, all without advertising on the
GNUware website.
Funny, freshmeat always seemed so agreeable in the past to help distribute
information and let others decide what was news-worthy before it was purchased
by Andover. Perhaps Freshmeat has forgotten who its readers are or what Linux users
would really like to use.
I hope you will reconsider your decision to not post GNUware releases to your
site. We are both, after all, in the business of promoting Linux. I hope
someday to see Linux be the dominant operating system on not only all major servers
but desktops as well. An OS offers very little without software.
Sincerely,
Kerry
P.S. Perhaps a copy of this posting to the newsgroups will help the Linux readers
decide what should be posted in the spirit of open-source..
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| Kerry J. Cox KSL |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] System Administrator |
| (801) 575-7771 http://www.ksl.com |
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Steve Killen wrote:
> FYI, we had previously removed this appindex from freshmeat. I'm removing it again,
>as it does not belong in freshmeat per se; there's nothing to download.
>
> Sincerely
> Steve Killen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Steve,
<br> I resubmitted the announcement about the GNuware
SourceIT release because I feel you are making a mistake by not publicizing
the site. I know of many people who would be happy to know of the
GNUware source due to the slowness or utter lack of an Internet connection
on their side. For them, Linux source code is sometimes unattainable.
I have written to a large number of people of Malaysia, for example, who
do not have the Internet connectivity to test all the programs you publish
to your site. GNuware offers the option for bartering or making a
comparable exchange to those people in less-developed countries.
For example, one customer from Russia with no means of transmitting hard
currency to GNUware for a CD, offered a small Matroishka doll for a GNUware
CD. He received the CD and is ready to make a trade for the latest
release.
<br> How does GNUware differ from the other Linux releases
published on your site? Linux Weekly News seems to feel GNUware important
enough to announce as do many other Linux sites, yet Freshmeat continues
to deny letting others know about a resource that offers a wide collection
of Linux source code for redistribution in hard copy rather than by downloading
it through your site.
<br> When I mentioned downloading the source code on
the announcement, which you deleted again, I was referring to the manner
in which users can download the source code from off the CD onto their
hard drive for their own use. This could have been better explained
had you permitted the publication of this information via freshmeat.net.
<br> Why will you accept the posting of other commercial
CD releases on your site and not those of GNUware?
<br> How are people ever going to start using Linux software
without the possibility of accessing the software? How will Linux
move forward if people must continue to rely on your site for the sole
source of Linux software and news? This becomes especially problematic
when your site experiences problems with the MySQL server as I experienced
numerous times on Thursday, March 9, 2000 and was unable to access any
information whatsoever.
<br> I feel strongly that others around the world, who
do not enjoy the high bandwidth that many of us now take for granted, cannot
use or access even a fraction of the Linux source code now available.
For example, in Germany regular telephone use is charged by the minute.
There is no flat rate for Internet use via a modem. Every time you
access the Internet you are charged by the minute. This makes large
or numerous downloads expensive and impractical. GNUware simply tries
to make this available to them. The cost of the CD covers GNUware's
operating costs. It requires money to purchase the blank CDs, pay
for Internet service, purchase a secure certificate, etc, all without advertising
on the GNUware website.
<br> Funny, freshmeat always seemed so agreeable in the
past to help distribute information and let others decide what was news-worthy
before it was purchased by Andover. Perhaps Freshmeat has forgotten
who its readers are or what Linux users would really like to use.
<br> I hope you will reconsider your decision to not
post GNUware releases to your site. We are both, after all, in the
business of promoting Linux. I hope someday to see Linux be the dominant
operating system on not only all major servers but desktops as well.
An OS offers very little without software.
<br>Sincerely,
<br>Kerry
<p>P.S. Perhaps a copy of this posting to the newsgroups will help
the Linux readers decide what should be posted in the spirit of open-source..
<br>
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<p>Steve Killen wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>FYI, we had previously removed this appindex from
freshmeat. I'm removing it again, as it does not belong in freshmeat
per se; there's nothing to download.
<p>Sincerely
<br>Steve Killen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></blockquote>
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mndrk 7 suspend prob on Tosh Sat 4010CDS
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 06:30:11 GMT
Hello,
I just upgraded my Satellite 4010CDS from Mandrake 6.1 to 7 and all was
well
except for suspending while in X. Suspending by closing the lid or
manually
caused the computer to just shut down making it necessary to push the power
on
switch at which time there was an error message 'Resume Failure ...'
followed
by a complete reboot. (seemed okay if NOT in X) Mandrake 7 installed
kernel
2.2.14-15mdk and going back to the previous 2.2.13-7mdk seems to solve the
problem. Anyone have similar problems and/or know how to fix it in 2.2.14?
Thanks in advance for any crumbs.
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: Luke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: best way to make BACKUP image of hard drive
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:38:18 GMT
Ha! Perfect!
> Luke wrote:
> >
> > I'm not so sure my Pop would jump at spending $750 on a home network. :)
> >
>
> Search freshmeat for a utility called backburner; it's a set of scripts
> designed to facilitate backups. I regularly use it to backup my disks on
> CDRW, but it can easily adapted to ftp out the result.
>
> MST
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From: JPRTIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dual Processor Image Editing Programs.
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:55:32 GMT
Adobe Photoshop is able to utilize dual processor systems in NT, is
there a linux image processor that can take advantage of Linux's dual
processor capabilities?
--
J.P.R.J
http://members.home.net/jprjenkins/
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From: Andreas Grosche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Copying entire partitions... over the network ?
Date: 11 Mar 2000 09:44:56 +0100
Of course I can easily copy an entire partition into an image file (e.g.
by a simple "cp /dev/hdc6 /dos/hdc6.img") and remount this image in just a
matter of seconds through the loop device ("mount /dos/hdc6.img /warp -t
hpfs -o loop=/dev/loop3"), or copy it back to another partition of the same
size on a new hard disk. But now, how about this approach at a higher level:
Having created e.g. two partitions of the same size on the hard disks of two
*different* systems, linked by nothing more than their respective network
connections, how do I copy the *raw* data of an *entire* partition over TCP/IP
(i.e. the whole partition such as /dev/hdc6 e.g. to the /dev/hda6 on another
computer "at the other end of the network wire", but without any need to put
both hard disks into the same computer for making the copy, or to make an
image on removable media, to then mount it on the new system and copy the
files individually, or even to care about the format of these partitions)?
Briefly, the way that I'd like to transmit the data (preferably with
standard tools not specific to any particular distribution) is this:
/dev/hdc6 =cp=> PC1 =TCP/IP=> LAN/Dial-Up =TCP/IP=> PC2 =cp=> /dev/hda6
Thanks in advance for your help (also by eMail to my address below).
Read U soon...
Greetinx
Andreas Grosche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: C++ in Linux
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:28:25 +0000
E. Robert Tisdale wrote:
>
> Don't worry about learning C++.
Why not? Is C++ not better than C?
> Just try to compile some of your old C programs
> using the GNU C++ compiler g++.
What is this meant to prove? That C is not a subset of C++?
> Then try to remember all of the things that irritated you about C
> and that you think should have been fixed in C++.
I can't think of anything offhand that irritates me about C. Care
to tell us what irritates you?
Erik
--
+-------------------------------------------------+
Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+-------------------------------------------------+
"The whole principle is wrong; it's like demanding that grown men
live on skim milk because the baby can't eat steak."
- author Robert A. Heinlein on censorship.
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From: "Jason Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My system has been cracked -- Help!
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:17:24 -0800
nice information... but what's with the 20 frames :-)
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From: "Jason Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dual Booting with NT
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:20:30 -0800
in other words... 'bootpart'
available at www.winimage.com - very simple way to add Linux as a boot
choice to NT's loader
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From: Chuck Putman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: EQL Plus
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:32:43 +0000
Hi,
I have two modems that Linux can "see". I want to use them as if they
were bonded as in Win 98......
Anybody use this EQL Plus Load balancing ....strategy????
How are your results????
Thanks....Chuck
http://www.cwareco.com/eqlplus.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Stewart)
Subject: Re: Linux compilation problem
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:28:55 GMT
On 10 Mar 2000 17:30:45 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phil Stewart wrote:
>> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.0.36/arch/i386/boot'
>> as86 -0 -a -o bbootsect.o bbootsect.s
>> make[1]: execvp: as86: Not a directory
>> make[1]: *** [bbootsect.o] Error 127
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.0.36/arch/i386/boot'
>> make: *** [bzIamge] Error 2
>
>"Not a directory" is an insane error message, but I see ("bzIamage")
>that this may not be an accurate transcription. Have you installed
>as86 and ld86 (in the "bin86" or "dev86" package), which should be
>found in /usr/bin?
I haven't specifically installed these packages myself, and if they
weren't installed when I originally set up the computer then that
would explain it. I'll look into it. BTW bzImage is the only
transcription error as I did a 'make bzImage > compilelog' to get the
majority of screen text into a text file. Thanks for your help.
--
>From Phil
Author of the neat mandelbrot prog mandel (new version to be u/l)
http://www.lichp.freeserve.co.uk/programs/
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From: David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Copying entire partitions... over the network ?
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:48:48 -0800
dd if=/dev/hdc6 |gzip --fast >big.img
use nfs/ftp/scp/rcp or whatever to transfer the file
gunzip big.img |dd of=/dev/hda6
you'll want to make the destination identical to the source, same
partition size, block size, etc.
if you can dd /dev/zero across the partition before formating it, it
usually doubles the compression rate(around 4:1). You probally don't want
to try this with a dial-up and a partition of any reasonable size, it'd
probally be cheaper and faster to mail the drive.....
oh and watch out for the ext2 2GB file size limit
David Williams
Systems Administrator
Department of Computer Science
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On 11 Mar 2000, Andreas Grosche wrote:
> Of course I can easily copy an entire partition into an image file (e.g.
> by a simple "cp /dev/hdc6 /dos/hdc6.img") and remount this image in just a
> matter of seconds through the loop device ("mount /dos/hdc6.img /warp -t
> hpfs -o loop=/dev/loop3"), or copy it back to another partition of the same
> size on a new hard disk. But now, how about this approach at a higher level:
>
> Having created e.g. two partitions of the same size on the hard disks of two
> *different* systems, linked by nothing more than their respective network
> connections, how do I copy the *raw* data of an *entire* partition over TCP/IP
> (i.e. the whole partition such as /dev/hdc6 e.g. to the /dev/hda6 on another
> computer "at the other end of the network wire", but without any need to put
> both hard disks into the same computer for making the copy, or to make an
> image on removable media, to then mount it on the new system and copy the
> files individually, or even to care about the format of these partitions)?
>
> Briefly, the way that I'd like to transmit the data (preferably with
> standard tools not specific to any particular distribution) is this:
>
> /dev/hdc6 =cp=> PC1 =TCP/IP=> LAN/Dial-Up =TCP/IP=> PC2 =cp=> /dev/hda6
>
> Thanks in advance for your help (also by eMail to my address below).
>
> Read U soon...
>
> Greetinx
>
> Andreas Grosche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
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