Linux-Misc Digest #788, Volume #23                Wed, 8 Mar 00 14:13:03 EST

Contents:
  Re: ftp a directory? (brian moore)
  Re: web-page design (mitja)
  Is there an easy way to get news group offline? (Yibing Fan)
  Re: ftp a directory? (Janet)
  Re: WINE (again) (Uwe Bonnes)
  MP3 automatic volume adjust (Ivan Martinez)
  Re: netscape 4.72 also crashes (Paul Seelig)
  Plan9 editor "sam" under Linux? (James B Crigler)
  Re: Clock drift problem (Geoff McCaughan)
  Re: Clock drift problem (Geoff McCaughan)
  printing problem (Alexis Bilodeau)
  Re: What to do if you forget the root password ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: web-page design (Andreas Kahari)
  Re: web-page design (Norbert Zawodsky)
  Re: Local mail delivery problem (RH6.1, Exim 3.12) (Frederic L. W. Meunier)
  Re: Memory managment (buffer/cache) (Dances With Crows)
  Re: netscape 4.72 also crashes (thomas park)
  Re: Is there an easy way to get news group offline? (Tom Eastep)
  Re: Parallel Port Zip Drive problems (Dances With Crows)
  Re: Salary? ("Mr. Rupert")
  Re: Salary? (Donovan Rebbechi)
  ISDN linux (Tim De Vos)
  Re: *.1.gz to ascii ? (Floyd Davidson)
  sound ("constants")
  'No setup signature found' error ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  No setup signature found ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: ftp a directory?
Date: 8 Mar 2000 17:26:50 GMT

On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:52:13 GMT, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Apparently ncftp is supposed to let you get or put a whole directory
> put -r directoryname
> 
> I can ftp to the machine in question, but I CANNOT make a connection
> with ncftp!
> >ncftp
> NcFTP 3.0.0 beta 19 (June 11, 1999) by Mike Gleason.
> ncftp> open mac.machine
> Connecting to
> 123.456.789...
> FTP server ready.
> FTP login

Note that it tried to log in.

> failed.
> Not logged in.
> 
> I haven't used ncftp before. Any ideas why ncftp won't make a connection
> but ftp will??

By default ncftp will log in as if it were doing an anonymous ftp.
There is an option for specifying a username and password on the open.
I don't have ncftp here (I'm good and try to keep my non-Free software
to a minimum) but I think it's -u.

-- 
Brian Moore                       | Of course vi is God's editor.
      Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker     | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
      Usenet Vandal               |  for it to load on the seventh day.
      Netscum, Bane of Elves.

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From: mitja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: web-page design
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:20:18 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bluefish
Webmaker
Webdesigner
Vi :)

Mitja

Norbert Zawodsky wrote:
> Hi again!
> 
> Which web-page design program would you gurus out there recommend?
> 
> Norbert

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From: Yibing Fan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Is there an easy way to get news group offline?
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:40:07 -0500

Hi Everyone,

My goal:
To get a few news groups to my local machine so I can view them without
dial-up every time.

I tried to configure INN,  I was overwhelmed by the document.  I read
them for a few hours, get me nowhere.  So I decided to try this news
group first.

I don't really care how to achieve the goal.  Anything works be fine.  I
know INN is over kill for my need but it would be nice if I can get it
work.  Any recommendations or links to how to config INN?

I am using RH6.1.

Many Thanks,

Yibing
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From: Janet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ftp a directory?
Date: 08 Mar 2000 09:28:46 -0800

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Apparently ncftp is supposed to let you get or put a whole directory
> put -r directoryname
> 
> I can ftp to the machine in question, but I CANNOT make a connection
> with ncftp!
> >ncftp
> NcFTP 3.0.0 beta 19 (June 11, 1999) by Mike Gleason.
> ncftp> open mac.machine
> Connecting to
> 123.456.789...
> FTP server ready.
> FTP login
> failed.
> Not logged in.
> 
> I haven't used ncftp before. Any ideas why ncftp won't make a connection
> but ftp will??
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

Yeah, usually ncftp defaults to anonymous login, which might be disabled.
To get it to let you type a username, you need to use ncftp -u <host>
or ncftp -u <username> <host>, depending on the version of ncftp (I think
yours uses the latter, but I'm not sure).

Hope this helps,
Janet

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From: Uwe Bonnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WINE (again)
Date: 8 Mar 2000 17:24:40 GMT

Norbert Zawodsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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: Hi folks!

: I'm a bit confused about WINE. On http://www.winehq.com/about.html you can
: read that wine does *NOT* require Windows being installed on the system.

: With YAST on my running Linux (SUSE 6.3) I read in the package description
: of wine "... Additionally you will need an installed MS-Windows on your
: system..."

Yast is wrong. Read again and if the error still persists, report to Suse.
However with an installed MS-Windows you can run with native User-DLL and friends.

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Please, no VCF

Bye
-- 
Uwe Bonnes                [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Institut fuer Kernphysik  Schlossgartenstrasse 9  64289 Darmstadt
========= Tel. 06151 162516 ======== Fax. 06151 164321 ==========

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From: Ivan Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MP3 automatic volume adjust
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:37:54 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

        Hello,
        I got tired of adjusting the volume between songs. Is there any MP3
player that automatically does that, or a MP3 editor to change songs
volume in files?. Thank you.
-- 
Ivan Martinez (Rodriguez)
Bch in Computer Science - MSc student
http://www.student.dtu.dk/~u990873
"Got fabes?"

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From: Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: netscape 4.72 also crashes
Date: 08 Mar 2000 18:51:32 +0100

thomas park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> This is strange.  Netscape 4.72 apparently *does* exhibit the same
> behaviour, just less frequently.  Does anybody know why this is
> happening?
> 
Turn off the Java stuff and it should run just fine.

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From: James B Crigler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.editors,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Plan9 editor "sam" under Linux?
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:29:41 -0500

I've compiled sam and wily under 9libs-1.0 on RedHat Linux 6.0.  Wily
works pretty well, but samterm dies with libg error.  Both work fine
(after one small adjustment) under Solaris 2.6.

-- 
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Lockheed Martin Corp | Fax:   (770)494-3886
D/73-64 Z/0100       |
86 S. Cobb Dr.       |
Marietta GA 30063    | If Honeywell has a canine, is it a CNI dog?

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From: Geoff McCaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Clock drift problem
Date: 8 Mar 2000 17:57:35 GMT

Terry Borchert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm too new to this to have any answers, but I've experienced a similar
> problem and it seems to be related to the power management damon. I haven't
> found a proper fix, but by disabling power management in the bios the
> problem seems to be temporarily resolved.

Good point, but it doesn't seem to be the culprit in this case. I've
disabled power management, and the drift is still there.

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From: Geoff McCaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Clock drift problem
Date: 8 Mar 2000 17:58:18 GMT

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Geoff McCaughan writes:
>> I'm planning to deploy more of these, and some will be completely
>> stand-alone. I'd really like to nail the cause of the problem.

> In the meantime, ste up a cron job to do 'hwclock --hctosys'.

I might do this if I'm desperate. I'd prefer to avoid having the system
clock jump though.



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From: Alexis Bilodeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: printing problem
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:00:21 GMT

Hi,

I can't print with my regular users on a local printer (parallel port)
with lpr...  When I'm logged in with the root user, everything works
fine (I can print in Netscape, StarOffice, etc.) but not with my own
user account (regular user).
When I send a document to print (either in Netscape or StarOffice),
everything seems to work, but the printer doesn't even turn on.

Some help will be appreciated,

--
Alexis Bilodeau
    ----
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What to do if you forget the root password
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:31:37 +0000

And verily, didst Dances With Crows hastily scribble thusly:
> On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 18:57:28 -0500, Jan Schaumann 
> <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>>Or easier, at the LILO prompt type 
>>LILO: your_kernel_name_here single

> This doesn't work for all distros--SuSE *ALWAYS* asks for the root
> password when entering single-user mode.  If RedHat doesn't do this, then
> maybe RedHat needs to rethink a few things regarding security.

Agreed. The only way to have root access without a password should be via a
rescue disk.

(And with the case padlocked and the BIOS set to passowrd protect and
boot-only-from-harddisk, that's all the security you can hope for in that
area).
-- 
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From: Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: web-page design
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:03:44 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Norbert Zawodsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Hi again!
>
> Which web-page design program would you gurus out there recommend?
>
> Norbert
>

Emacs

Or if you more bells and whistles: XEmacs

[whole lot of strange crap cut]

If you really really REALLY want a WYSIWYG-editor, use one that
generates VALID html documents (i.e. one that doesn't use <blockquote>
for indentation (there is NO "indentation tag" in html)).

/A

--
+---------------------+
| Andreas K�h�ri
| Uppsala University
| Sweden



Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: Norbert Zawodsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: web-page design
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:12:22 +0100

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mitja wrote:
> 

> Webmaker
> Webdesigner

Where can I get them?

Norbert
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From: Frederic L. W. Meunier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Local mail delivery problem (RH6.1, Exim 3.12)
Date: 8 Mar 2000 18:20:57 GMT

Add sender_unqualified_hosts = localhost to your /var/exim/configure
(or whatever it's on your RedHat 6.1). At least it works here.

-- 
Fr�d�ric L. W. Meunier [Tel: +55-21-620-7173 - Niter�i-RJ Brasil]
fredlwm@{olympiquedemarseille.org,{marseille.}nitnet.com.br}

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Memory managment (buffer/cache)
Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:23:07 EST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:22:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<<8a5r74$loh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>when I check the status of my memory using 'free'
>I see that more then 60% of my memory is on the
>buffers and cache. When I tried to set the limit
>to these parameters (/proc/sys/vm/buffermem and
>pagecache) to a very small value < 10% it did not
>changed anything, and my free memory was still
>very low. How can I limit the buffers/cache, so
>I'll have most of the memory for my application?

Here we go again...

The kernel sets things up so that they will run as quickly as possible in
the normal case.  Since disk I/O is hideously slow compared to main
memory, the kernel uses as much memory as possible for a disk cache.  The
size of the disk cache changes dynamically all the time--if you start an
application that wants 10M of RAM, the disk cache shrinks by about 10M.
The "free" parameter you see using the free command is somewhat misleading
to a new user; if you look at it, it probably looks like this:

             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:         95792      93456       2336      27960       4696      51076
-/+ buffers/cache:      37684      58108

That "-/+ buffers/cache" line is the important one here.  It *looks* like
I have only 2M free, but there's 56M of disk cache that can be used for
loading programs into should they require it--therefore I have 58M free.
It may seem confusing at first, but think about it a little and it all
makes sense.

-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows        \          In the MS-DOStrix,
There is no Darkness in Eternity   \----\    there is no fork().
But only Light too dim for us to see     \    
    ===== Usenet: ceci n'est pas une guerre des flammes =====


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From: thomas park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: netscape 4.72 also crashes
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:11:28 -0500

the only java i had enabled was javascript - the crash would occur only
when closing windows.

thomas


Paul Seelig wrote:
> 
> thomas park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > This is strange.  Netscape 4.72 apparently *does* exhibit the same
> > behaviour, just less frequently.  Does anybody know why this is
> > happening?
> >
> Turn off the Java stuff and it should run just fine.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Eastep)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Is there an easy way to get news group offline?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:30:03 GMT

Yibing Fan wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>My goal:
>To get a few news groups to my local machine so I can view them without
>dial-up every time.
>
>I tried to configure INN,  I was overwhelmed by the document.  I read
>them for a few hours, get me nowhere.  So I decided to try this news
>group first.
>
>I don't really care how to achieve the goal.  Anything works be fine.  I
>know INN is over kill for my need but it would be nice if I can get it
>work.  Any recommendations or links to how to config INN?
>
>I am using RH6.1.
>

I recommend leafnode -- it's a lot easier to configure than INN and is
more appropriate for what you want to do.

-Tom
-- 
Tom Eastep             \  Eastep's First Principle of Computing:
ICQ #60745924           \  "Any sane computer will tell you how it
[EMAIL PROTECTED]       \   works if you ask it the proper questions"
Shoreline, Washington USA \___________________________________________

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Parallel Port Zip Drive problems
Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:33:53 EST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:11:42 GMT, Andy9701 <<8a5u3o$o6e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
shouted forth into the ether:
>I'm having some problems getting my zip drive to work under RedHat 6.
>When I was using the 2.2.5 kernel, I had no problems.  However, when I
>compiled my own kernel using version 2.3.48, I can't mount it any
                                      ^^^^^^ 
That odd number in the middle is a warning sign that says, "Watch out,
this is a DEVELOPMENT KERNEL and it might break things horribly or not
work at all!  Proceed with extreme caution!"  It is generally better to
stick with the stable kernels (2.2.x as of this writing) unless you're
ready to put up with crud like this, willing to try and fix it yourself,
and able to send in bug reports.

>wouldn't have to load them manually, but when I try to mount the zip
>drive (it's at /dev/sd4 on my system), I get an error saying that the
>device has the wrong major or minor version number.

IIRC they have made substantial changes to the SCSI subsystem in 2.3.x,
and the major/minor device numbers may have changed.  Check out
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt and see what that document lists
as the major and minor numbers for the fourth partition on the first SCSI
disk.  Use mknod to create this device if it doesn't exist, and give it
the name /dev/sda4.  Check the Kernel Traffic archives for clues at
http://kt.linuxcare.com and such.  HTH...

-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows        \          In the MS-DOStrix,
There is no Darkness in Eternity   \----\    there is no fork().
But only Light too dim for us to see     \    
    ===== Usenet: ceci n'est pas une guerre des flammes =====


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From: "Mr. Rupert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:35:33 -0600

Matthias Warkus wrote:
> 
> It was the Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:33:47 -0800...
> ...and Matt O'Toole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I wonder sometimes how Europeans can live at all.  Everything seems so much
> > more expensive over there, and apparantly, their salaries are lower, too.
> 
> So we Europeans can't afford 3 SUVs per household. I reckon that's an
> advantage.
> 
> Seriously: The standard of living here in Germany is rather higher
> than in the United States. 

In what respect is the standard of living higher in Germany than in the
USA?


> As for salaries, they aren't necessarily
> lower, if they're lower, that's usually compensated by a much lower
> number of workhours per week and per lifetime.
> 

The reduced number of workhours is strangling your country.


> Also take in account that we've got the state taking care of our
> health, pension etc., that is we don't need to pay private health
> insurances and such from our salary after taxes unless we want to.
> 

Also take into account that the USA is the world leader in advanced medical
treatment and research.  The Houston Medical Center is the largest medical 
center in the world, not to mention the rest of the USA's medical centers.

When the rich and powerful of this world get sick and are on their last prayer,
they head to the Houston Medical Center.

--
The always friendly, always lovable, and highly presentable,

Mr Rupert

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 8 Mar 2000 18:41:53 GMT

On 8 Mar 2000 16:59:45 GMT, Joseph T. Adams wrote:

>Except that there is still a great deal of upward mobility here.

Mostly I agree with this comment. However, the education system leaves 
a lot to be desired. This does cause problems, especially in underfunded
schools. The localisation of school funding IMO is a thinly veiled scam 
to keep money out of the poorer districts. However, some states are making
steps to correct these funding anomolies.

Having said that, the wealthy school districts aren't always the good ones,
and assuming your parents try to locate to a decent school district, one
can end up in a good decent school. I know immigrants who came
to the US penniless, and their parents had to slave away in menial jobs, 
but they put their kids into decent schools and later, decent state 
Universities.

>A surprisingly and saddeningly large amount of poverty persists in the
>U.S., 

Overrated IMO. There are food handouts which makes it unlikely that anyone 
will go hungry. And even most of the "poor" have hot water, food, electricity,
refrigerators, stereos and TV.

> but much of it can be explained by the breakdown of the family,
>our dismal "education" system, 

These two are a big part of it.

> institutionalized racism 

Over-rated but not nonexistent.  IMO, this is only a small part of
the problem. I think minorities are at times guilty of playing the 
"racism" card instead of facing up to problems in their communities.

I think that where "racism" ( for want of a better word ) kicks in is
in the "networking". It's simply easier to "network" with your own race.
( Women have the same problem in male dominated industries btw ) This 
problem is extremely subtle and also somewhat self-perpetuating. It's
precisely the kind of thing that affirmative action was designed to 
( but often fails to ) address.

This problem doesn't make people poor, but it creates glass ceilings.

>forms of corruption, and the relatively recent demise of much of our
>heavy industry, which used to provide well-paying employment for
>unskilled and semi-skilled workers.

I think that part of the problem is that everyone seems to think that they
need to go to University, when in fact many people who go simply do not 
have the talent or interest to pursue something that academic. I'm 
talking about kids who flunk college algebra 3 times over. Where I'm 
from, these guys would not meet the requirements to enter a University,
unless you count special music schools, art schools or whatever. 

A lot of these people would stand a much better chance of placing themselves 
in some form of gainful employment if they went to a trade school and 
developed a useful skill. All University seems to do to these guys is
label them as no-hopers, and while they're hardly tomorrow's Einsteins, 
they are capable of contributing something useful to society.

-- 
Donovan

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From: Tim De Vos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ISDN linux
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:51:16 +0100

Hello,

I am working already a whole week to set up a dial in server with ISDN.
I succeeded in installing an Eicon Diva 2.0 PCI card but the modem 
doesn't answer an incoming call. In /var/log/messages I always get
the following errors:

Mar  8 19:21:51 ibwserver kernel: isdn_net: call from 617,7,0 -> 3 
Mar  8 19:21:51 ibwserver kernel: isdn_net: call from 617 -> 0 3 ignored 
Mar  8 19:21:51 ibwserver kernel: isdn_tty: call from 617 -> 3 ignored

(I am dialing internally in a large building; one Windows 98 
computer is on line 617 and the linux machine on line nr. 648)

I also can't dial from my Linux machine within minicom. He always 
says that the line is busy after the following commands:

ATZ
OK
AT&E648
OK
AT&B512
OK
ATD617
BUSY
ATD648
BUSY

Any idea how I can solve this; I think I've already seen the whole
internet :-)

I use Redhat 6.1 with mgetty to control the dial-in.

Thanks in advance for replying

Tim De Vos

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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *.1.gz to ascii ?
Date: 08 Mar 2000 08:51:11 -0900

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Johnny Johanson) wrote:
>Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>...
>>    man file | col -xb > text-file
>...
>
>
>A more complex but more "proper" way of geting ascii from a *.1 file is:

NOT the more proper way.  Not only more complex, but as
described it does not accomplish the task requested.  

The request was for a file that can be used for string searches
-- which as I noted previously can be done within the display
for man anyway, without generating a separate file at all.  The
above example of filtering through col does provide an ascii
text file which can be searched or edited, which is often
useful.

The example below does not remove backspaces and underscores
generated for printing bold and underlined text, and hence the
output file _still_ needs to be filtered through col.  On some
man pages it won't work at all until the additionally necessary
options for groff are determined.

>(Use 'gunzip file.1.gz' to get rid of *.gz)

There is no point in manually gunzipping the file, because it
then has to be gzipped again, which wasn't mentioned.  And that
method requires knowing exactly where the man page source file
is, which doesn't really have to be known at all if man does all
the work.

>groff -man Tascii file.1 > file.txt
>
>Or if you prefer postscript for printing etc:
>
>groff -man Tps file.1 > file.ps

Read the man page on man.  Once again, there is a better way.

    man -t file > file.ps


  Floyd

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Floyd L. Davidson                          [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

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From: "constants" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sound
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:01:23 -0500

I installed linux mandrake 7 and got the sound working. Now it won't work
under windows 98. Has anybody had this problem and if yes what can I do to
fix it?



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux
Subject: 'No setup signature found' error
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:51:42 GMT

A "simple" problem.  Whenever I try to boot SuSE Linux 5.2 (I think
this is the version number) via LILO, I get "No setup signature
found..."  When I copy the image/kernal from the root directory to the
loadlin directory in MS-DOS, I am able to use loadlin in order to run
Linux.

I have also run /sbin/lilo several times in order to update the data
that lilo 19 requires.  This does not solve the problem.

Why is this happening?

Extra details:

I have several partitions on my harddisk.  1st primary is Linux root,
2nd primary is MS-DOS FAT16 <32Mb and 3rd primary is 1.25Gb FAT16 Win98
SE partition.  The 4th partition is an extended partition with DOS and
linux partitions.

Due to the fact that strictly speaking MS-DOS and Windows do not
support multiple visible primary partitions and I wanted to hide the
relevent FAT partitions.  So I needed to recompile lilo and run it on
the lilo.conf that hid the partitions.

I was able to reboot linux using lilo.  However, after selecting DOS
and/or Win98 using lilo, I got the "No setup signature found..."
error.  I reverted back to the old lilo.conf, did /sbin/lilo and I
still got the same error.

I re-installed linux using YaST from CD, including using it to
recofigure lilo.  During the process, it said that the root partition
(where lilo is) wasn't active.  So I said yes to activating it.  This
process solved the problem but did not allow me to hide partitions.

On recompiling lilo and using another partition hiding version of
lilo.conf, again I was able to linux 1st time round BUT not after
booting DOS/Win98.  Now after attempting a partial (package?) re-
install and running normal /sbin/lilo, I get the "No setup signature
found..."

So how do I get the set up I want to work?

Thanks,
Gervase.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux
Subject: No setup signature found
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:50:59 GMT

A "simple" problem.  Whenever I try to boot SuSE Linux 5.2 (I think
this is the version number) via LILO, I get "No setup signature
found..."  When I copy the image/kernal from the root directory to the
loadlin directory in MS-DOS, I am able to use loadlin in order to run
Linux.

I have also run /sbin/lilo several times in order to update the data
that lilo 19 requires.  This does not solve the problem.

Why is this happening?

Extra details:

I have several partitions on my harddisk.  1st primary is Linux root,
2nd primary is MS-DOS FAT16 <32Mb and 3rd primary is 1.25Gb FAT16 Win98
SE partition.  The 4th partition is an extended partition with DOS and
linux partitions.

Due to the fact that strictly speaking MS-DOS and Windows do not
support multiple visible primary partitions and I wanted to hide the
relevent FAT partitions.  So I needed to recompile lilo and run it on
the lilo.conf that hid the partitions.

I was able to reboot linux using lilo.  However, after selecting DOS
and/or Win98 using lilo, I got the "No setup signature found..."
error.  I reverted back to the old lilo.conf, did /sbin/lilo and I
still got the same error.

I re-installed linux using YaST from CD, including using it to
recofigure lilo.  During the process, it said that the root partition
(where lilo is) wasn't active.  So I said yes to activating it.  This
process solved the problem but did not allow me to hide partitions.

On recompiling lilo and using another partition hiding version of
lilo.conf, again I was able to linux 1st time round BUT not after
booting DOS/Win98.  Now after attempting a partial (package?) re-
install and running normal /sbin/lilo, I get the "No setup signature
found..."

So how do I get the set up I want to work?

Thanks,
Gervase.


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Before you buy.

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