Linux-Misc Digest #842, Volume #23 Tue, 14 Mar 00 00:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Red Hat install problem (John Zumsteg)
Mandrake 7.0 kernel source (wayne)
Re: Do you hate vi? vi or vim? Deathmatch! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Should ISP reset my hostname? (Andrew Purugganan)
Zip Disk SCSI Insider Directory Problem (John Scudder)
Re: Incremental backups with tar to harddisc (Dave Thompson)
Re: Zip drive and kernel 2.2.14 (Allin Cottrell)
Re: Do you hate vi? vi or vim? Deathmatch! (Johan Kullstam)
Re: the command "rz" (David Efflandt)
Re: the command "rz" (John Scudder)
Re: Uses for /dev/zero (David Efflandt)
Uninstalling Linux (Asim Munir)
Re: ZOOM DualMode 56k ISA Faxmodem Model 2919 (David Efflandt)
Re: Uninstalling Linux (Dances With Crows)
If Linux is free, where can I get it?
Re: Suggestions for SMP motherboard... (Chuan-kai Lin)
Re: If Linux is free, where can I get it? ("David ..")
Re: If Linux is free, where can I get it? (Grant Edwards)
Laptop battery life Linux vs Win (David Efflandt)
Re: Suggestions for SMP motherboard... ("David ..")
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:40:19 -0800
From: John Zumsteg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat install problem
I just tried yet another custom install, setting up the partitions this
way:
/ sda1 1850mb native
/usr1 sda5 1859mb native
/usr2 sda6 258mb native
/usr3 sda7 258mb native
sda8 70mb swap
The partitions are those set up by a previous (unsuccessful, of course)
installation using the Server selection. I simply added the mount
points. Again, the boot proceeded until it said no inittab was found,
asked me for a runlevel and then died when I entered on.
Hope this helps. I have (almost) no doubt that this has something to do
with using scsi drives, but I sure don't know what.
John
Chris Lowth wrote:
> systems, etc - anything hard disk related. Ideally - let's see the lot!
>
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From: wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mandrake 7.0 kernel source
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:45:55 -0800
The standard installation of Mandrake 7.0 does not install the kernel
source, at least not in the usual location /usr/src/linux.
In trying to do the make in bttv, it complains of no way to make
Rules.make, which is part of the kernel source, at least under SuSE6.3.
Installing the kernel rpm from the sources CD #2 of Mandrake 7.0, the
directory /usr/src/linux is nearly empty (has include, but not much
else). Anyone been able to find the darn kernel source in this
distribution???
Wayne
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi? vi or vim? Deathmatch!
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:44:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bruce Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On 3/12/00, 10:59:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With
> > Crows) wrote regarding Re: Do you hate vi? vi or vim? Deathmatch!:
> >
> > > People who are Lazy can just go to http://www.toms.net/rb and
follow
> > the
> > > directions there for a very nifty rescue disk...
> >
> > Absolutely. Of course, tomsrtbt has vi on it...
>
> what about ED?
No, but it has an emacs. Tomsrtbt gives you all the editors you want,
vi or emacs, if you can't handle either then it also supports cat...
Of course, I havn't personally tested the emacs on tomsrtbt, since it
has a perfectly good vi along with "man vi" and "man vi.help"...
-Tom
>
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Don't Fear the Penguin!
>
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Should ISP reset my hostname?
Date: 14 Mar 2000 03:36:09 GMT
I have one of those free internet access-type connections, forcibly made
to run in Linux ;-) I have left my hostname as 'localhost.localdomain',
but whenever I dial up to my ISP, when I type 'hostname' at the prompt,
it is no longer 'localhost.localdomain' but a name that changes almost
every other day (to prevent ppl like me I guess from forcing it to run in
Linux) since I log in everyday
Is there a way to keep this from happening? It messes up my X sessions
somehow bec. I always get the message 'failed to find server'
at startx
and ':0 Cannot connect to server' when I try to run Netscape of GAIM
TIA
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From: John Scudder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Zip Disk SCSI Insider Directory Problem
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:53:05 -0500
Every once in a while when trying to copy large files from my Zip drive,
the drive starts clicking away and the copy stalls. When I hit 'Cancel'
the copy aborts. This is when another problem starts. If I umount the
drive, take out the Zip Disk, put a new Zip Disk, and remount.....the
new disk displays the directory of the previous disk. No matter what I
do, I can't clear the previous directory. I exit , login as root, still
a false directory.
How can I get the Zip Drive to actually read a new directory instead of
assuming the old disk is still in. Back in the floppy days we called
this a change line problem.
John
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From: Dave Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Incremental backups with tar to harddisc
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:02:15 GMT
I setup nightly incremental backups as a cron job, and have a file detailing the
excluded files, and nightly rotated log files. I'll email the files to you -- I
played around with this quite a bit until I was happy with it.
Dave Thompson
Robert Heller wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland),
> In a message on 13 Mar 2000 13:20:18 GMT, wrote :
>
> JB> Hi,
> JB>
> JB> I'm trying to use tar to backup a small server's /home directory. The
> JB> idea is to make one main backup then use incremental ones from then on.
> JB>
> JB> At the moment the system tars up /home every night, bzip2s it then shoves it
> JB> across to another machine via NFS. This backup can then be burned to a CDR
> JB> when it's convenient.
> JB>
> JB> But at 100-200MB a backup it'd soon get very tedious. So, incremental
> JB> backups would make life much easier. But, how do you do it? The Guide on
> JB> www.linuxdoc.org is primarily for backing up to tape drives, which I would
> JB> have got but we didn't have the budget.
>
> tar cares not if the backup device is a tape or an archive on disk.
>
> do a man tar:
>
> Under OTHER OPTIONS:
>
> -g, --listed-incremental F
> create/list/extract new GNU-format incremental
> backup
>
> This is what I use. Normally I do the backups to tape, but my tape
> drive has been misbehaving lately, so I've been doing incrs to a
> compressed file on a Zip drive:
>
> sauron.deepsoft.com% more Backup/DoBackupZ.csh
> #!/bin/csh -fe
> #~heller/Backup/WaitForTape.csh
> cd /
> cp -fv /home/BackupLists/BackupDates /home/BackupLists/BackupDates.todays
> tar --create --verbose --listed-incremental /home/BackupLists/BackupDates \
> --gzip --file /ZipE2fs/week$1.tar.gz --exclude ZipE2fs --exclude usr \
> --exclude dos --exclude slack30 --exclude proc --ignore-failed-read \
> .
> tar tzvf /ZipE2fs/week$1.tar.gz |& tee /home/BackupLists/week$1.list
> #mt -f /dev/st0 offline
>
> (I just copied the script from the one used for tapes, changed the
> archive name, added --gzip and --exclude ZipE2fs (mount point for the
> Zip Drive as an ext2 fs) and commented out the tape specific commands.)
>
> JB>
> JB> So, question 1 is how do I go about doing incremental backups to a tar
> JB> archive on a harddisc (with the main backup being on a CDR in a drawer
> JB> somewhere), and question 2 is, is there a better way of doing this
> JB> in the first place?
> JB>
> JB> (there is reasonable harddisc space via nfs, we have a CD-R drive, any
> JB> ideas?)
> JB>
> JB> JB
> JB>
>
>
> --
> \/
> Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Allin Cottrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zip drive and kernel 2.2.14
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:36:14 -0500
Andy9701 wrote:
>
> I'm having some problems using my zip drive under kernel 2.2.14. I
> have a parallel port zip 100 drive, which I've had no problems with
> under 2.2.5-15 (RedHat 6). Under the old kernel, I had to insmod
> parport and ppa, and then mount the zip drive. When building the newer
> kernel, I'm pretty sure I build parport into the kernel, but I'm not
> sure about ppa.
>
> Anyway, I can't get my zip drive to work. Assuming that the two
> modules are built into the kernel, I mount my zip drive, which under
> 2.2.5-15 was at /dev/sd4. I get an error stating that the kernel
> doesn't recognize /dev/sd4 as a block device.
Try /dev/sda4
--
Allin Cottrell
Department of Economics
Wake Forest University, NC
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Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi? vi or vim? Deathmatch!
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:06:18 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bruce Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > On 3/12/00, 10:59:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With
> > > Crows) wrote regarding Re: Do you hate vi? vi or vim? Deathmatch!:
> > >
> > > > People who are Lazy can just go to http://www.toms.net/rb and
> follow
> > > the
> > > > directions there for a very nifty rescue disk...
> > >
> > > Absolutely. Of course, tomsrtbt has vi on it...
> >
> > what about ED?
>
> No, but it has an emacs. Tomsrtbt gives you all the editors you want,
> vi or emacs, if you can't handle either then it also supports cat...
> Of course, I havn't personally tested the emacs on tomsrtbt, since it
> has a perfectly good vi along with "man vi" and "man vi.help"...
> -Tom
i am not trying to be an ass, but on a boot disk you will want to save
memory. ed's not hard to use, it just kind of primitive. if you know
vi, ed isn't hard to learn. it's like vi (since vi is derived from ed
via ex), ed is just a lot less.
euler(/bin)$ l ed vi
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 66796 Mar 23 1999 ed
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 347272 Jul 27 1999 vi
euler(/bin)$ ldd ed
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40017000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
euler(/bin)$ ldd vi
libtermcap.so.2 => /lib/libtermcap.so.2 (0x40017000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4001c000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
with ed you don't need termcap and the executabe is pretty small.
the vi is from vim-minimal on redhat.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: the command "rz"
Date: 14 Mar 2000 04:21:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>does anyone know a/t about the command "rz"?
>i get the feeling that it's not a very used command. it's used to
>transfer files from one machine to another(irrelevant of the operating
>system being run on that machine)over a modem. i need info on zmodem,
>on how rz is implemented between the machines, how the command is typed
>in, what sort of program calls it, or a/t else.
>thanks for your tiem and help.
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
rz and sz are used when directly dialed into a shell (not ppp).
Basically you start rz on your local machine and then start sz on the
remote. Or if using a DOS/Win terminal program you can start sz on a Unix
remote and start zmodem on the local machine (if the terminal program does
not start it automatically). Likewise dialed into a BBS you could start
rz on your local box and then send the file with zmodem from the remote.
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From: John Scudder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the command "rz"
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:26:32 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> does anyone know a/t about the command "rz"?
> i get the feeling that it's not a very used command. it's used to
> transfer files from one machine to another(irrelevant of the operating
> system being run on that machine)over a modem. i need info on zmodem,
> on how rz is implemented between the machines, how the command is typed
> in, what sort of program calls it, or a/t else.
> thanks for your tiem and help.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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> Before you buy.
Did you try typing 'man rz'? I get a nicely formatted page of
information on my system.
'rz' stands for receive zmodem. I haven't used zmodem in years but if
memory serves me, it was as simple as 'rz filename'.
The complimentary command 'sz' is for sending zmodem or 'sz filename'.
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Uses for /dev/zero
Date: 14 Mar 2000 04:31:07 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, M. Leo Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The /dev/zero pseudo-file is somewhat similar to /dev/null, but rather than
>being a "black hole" like the latter actually does contain nulls. It's a bit
>difficult to access or read the file unless you use something like 'od' or, I
>guess, a hex editor...
>
>What I'm wondering is whether there are any real-life uses for /dev/zero. Does
>the OS or the kernel use it? Can anyone recall seeing /dev/zero in a script or
>program?
It is used to zero out a ramdisk before using it. For example if you
want to create a compressed floppy disk boot image, it is easier to
compress a bunch of zeros at the end rather than a bunch of random memory.
I am not sure if it is necessary to zero out a ramdisk before putting an
ext2 file system on it for other things, but I did it anyway.
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From: Asim Munir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Uninstalling Linux
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:30:18 GMT
I had installed Red Hat Linux 6.0 on a partition on my hard drive. I have
a second hard drive on which I want to install Linux now but I cannot seem
to restore the partition on my first drive to FAT. I cannot delete the
Linux native partition I had created. Please help.
Furthermore, My windows has slowed down considerably since Linux. It
cannot read the partition with Linux and hence everytime it attempts to it
becomes suspended for upto five minutes at a time.
Help!! please
Thanx
Asim Munir
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: ZOOM DualMode 56k ISA Faxmodem Model 2919
Date: 14 Mar 2000 04:38:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:30:17 GMT, Bill B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>basiaclly how do i get the darned thing working? i have Redhat 6.1
>Standard and a full installation. any and all help would be greatly
>appreciated. thanks in advance.
You need isapnptool package (see 'man isapnp' and 'man pnpdump'). Once
you create /etc/isapnp.conf it will be used automatically. Then if the
irq you use is non-standard, you will need a 'setserial' line
in /etc/rc.d/rc.serial or /etc/rc.d/rc.local.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Uninstalling Linux
Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:44:34 EST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:30:18 GMT, Asim Munir
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I had installed Red Hat Linux 6.0 on a partition on my hard drive. I have
>a second hard drive on which I want to install Linux now but I cannot seem
>to restore the partition on my first drive to FAT. I cannot delete the
>Linux native partition I had created. Please help.
You must use Linux fdisk (or Partition Magic) to delete Linux partitions.
DOS FDISK is not smart enough to to the right thing.
>Furthermore, My windows has slowed down considerably since Linux. It
>cannot read the partition with Linux and hence everytime it attempts to it
>becomes suspended for upto five minutes at a time.
??? This shouldn't be happening. WinXX should just ignore any partitions
that are of type 0x83 or 0x82 (Linux Native and Swap). Did you make sure
the partition types are set all right with fdisk? Having Linux files on a
partition marked as FAT-type would probably confuse WinXX to no end, like
you mentioned.
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There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: If Linux is free, where can I get it?
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:30:20 GMT
I know this is a really dumb question, but I have asked everyone, and
nobody can tell me. Where can I get it? I tried download.com and
linux.org etc. I find links to FTP, but I get confused in FTP and I don't
know where to look. The folders are barely labled, and when they are,
they don't have anything useful in them.
Ok, the second part is if I do decide to break down and buy it, what have
you heard about Corel's Linux? Better than Redhat?
Thanks,
Jeremy
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From: Chuan-kai Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suggestions for SMP motherboard...
Date: 14 Mar 2000 04:57:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Brian Bruns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you really want a solid system, Intel 440TX motherboard (if I remember
> correctly) with two pentium pros 200mhz and you have a nice system... Run
Sorry, wrong answer :) The only chipset that supports dual Pentiums
is the Intel 440HX, which unfortunately does not support SDRAM.
And the "H" is for "High end"... high end my *ss.
-- Chuan-kai Lin
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: If Linux is free, where can I get it?
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:57:12 -0600
>From FTP sites like:
ftp.freshmeat.net/pub
ftp://ftp.linuxberg.com/pub/
ftp://leb.net/pub/blinux/
ftp://ftp.caldera.com/pub/
ftp://ftp.debian.org/
ftp://ftp.kando.hu/pub/CDROM-Images
ftp://ftp.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/
ftp://tsx.mit.edu/pub/linux/
ftp://ftp.turbolinux.com/pub/
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/
ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux
ftp://wcarchive.cdrom.com:/pub/linux/
Just to name a few. ;o)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: If Linux is free, where can I get it?
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 05:06:38 GMT
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:30:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I know this is a really dumb question, but I have asked everyone, and
>nobody can tell me. Where can I get it?
Give yourself a break. Buy a CD. www.cheapbytes.com.
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at had a CHICKEN SANDWICH in
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Laptop battery life Linux vs Win
Date: 14 Mar 2000 05:07:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just curious if anyone has a feel for how much longer batteries last in a
notebook computer running Linux vs Windows? I have a Sony PCG-F450 PIII
500 and Windows typically estimates about 2.5 hrs (but only lasts 1.5 hrs
when playing DVD). Linux apm seems to estimate much longer times. Like
over 6 hrs remaining with 2/3 charge.
And I cannot even run PM on boot because the standby mode of its newer
ACPI is incompatible with the older APM. But I can put it into a deep
suspend mode manually.
I know that Linux is more efficient since it idles the cpu when it is not
doing anything, but does it really run all day on a battery that only
lasts a couple of hours in Windows? The case is much cooler too.
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suggestions for SMP motherboard...
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:59:47 -0600
This is not true I have a dual pentium system with the 440GX chipset and
it does a great job.
It is a Supermicro S2DGU.
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