Linux-Misc Digest #874, Volume #23 Fri, 17 Mar 00 14:13:03 EST
Contents:
Linux keeps crashing...? (long) (Jehsom)
Library Questions (Matt Starnes)
Re: Can MySQL on Linux take this? (Jasper Veltman)
Re: SuSE Install nightmare (Gordon reeder)
W2K shares to/from Linux ("Robert L. Klungle")
Re: How stable is gnuCash 1.3.5? (Robert Burrows)
Associating programs with file types ("Rodney A. Trexler")
PLIP woes. eth0 lockup! (James Cornthwaite)
Re: Salary? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Salary? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: No sound with KDE desktop (Paul Howland)
Re: Salary? (John Hagen)
Re: Plotting Tool for Linux? (Ian Mac Lure)
Re: LI error message at boot ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How stable is gnuCash 1.3.5? (Ed Vigmond)
Re: Help with Linux advocacy (Timothy Parsons)
Co-Location Hosting Help ("Jad")
Re: Salary? (Ian Mac Lure)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jehsom)
Subject: Linux keeps crashing...? (long)
Date: 17 Mar 2000 16:50:43 GMT
I've used linux for almost a year now, exclusively. I'm running into
a strange problem now, though. Every 3 weeks, approximately, my linux
box will completely lock up. It's happened both when I'm using it and
when I'm not physically on it. Can anyone give me an idea of why it
might be doing this? Here is my configuration:
Redhat 6.1
Linux 2.2.14
OC'd celeron 300a @ 450 (tried downclocking, still hung)
Abit BH6 motherboard
128mb Micron CAS2 pc100 ram
Sound Blaster PCI128 w/commercial OSS drivers
(tried disabling sound and it still hung, eventually)
NVidia Riva 128 AGP, 4mb
3com 3c905b/TX LAN card
Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 LAN card
Adaptec 2940AU scsi controller (currently one scsi cdrom on it.
It is a replacement drive for my cd-r, which broke. In-
terestingly enough, when I had only my cd-r in there, the
system was stable, and I remember having this replacement
drive in the system as well before, and back then it was
also unstable. Could this possibly be it?)
(2) 17gb maxtors
(1) 27gb maxtor
(1) 40gb maxtor, all ide
My 40 and 27gb maxtor are in a software raid 0 (striping) config.
To accomplish that, I appended the following line to lilo.conf:
append="md=0,-1,8,0,/dev/hdd,/dev/hdc" (see md.txt)
(actually, that's linear append mode, not raid 0 striping. It was
crashing under both configurations.. lin append and raid 0)
It's incredibly hard for me to test in a non-raided config, because
this system is used as a production server, and the raid array
contains a lot of data that must be available at all times.
Anyway, the problem is, it takes so long to crash under bad cir-
cumstances that I can never tell for sure what's causing it. It
only crashes about once every 3 weeks, as I said. But whenever it
does, the hard drive light remains lit. So I'm thinking it's some-
thing hard drive related.
Any suggestions? Your input is REALLY wanted/appreciated here.
Thanks,
Moshe
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From: Matt Starnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Library Questions
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:18:44 -0600
I am trying to install Libnet 1.0.1 on my system and am running into a
problem. This problem kind of goes to all development libraries I try to
install. I do the configure and make and make install, but the programs
that require these libraries can never find them. I try doing
/sbin/ldconfig to refresh the cache but to no avail. So my question is:
Do I have to do something to get the library to install? I have been
banging my head all morning trying to figure this out.
Thanks,
Matt
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From: Jasper Veltman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can MySQL on Linux take this?
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:07:05 +0100
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:39:04 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Williams)
wrote:
>Database will hold over 20,000 product(20,000 rows) but will also have 80,000
>images(40,000 small images(4K each), 40,000 larger images(12K each)) and text.
>will linux do? will mysql do? if not what other database?
If I'm making the correct calculation, that's about 640 GB of
image-data ((40,000x4KB+40,000x12KB)/1000). 80,000 Rows is no problem,
but MySQL isn't upto that kind of large amounts of data. And that
apart from finding Linux-supported hardware that can hold that data
(2xVALinux 8LE?). Linux will probably do the trick, make a big cluster
of servers with a central external storage. Pick a capable database
like Sybase or Oracle, they can handle that kind of load, apart from
the built-in loadbalancing, failover etc.
Jasper
jasper {at} webminds {dot} nl
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Subject: Re: SuSE Install nightmare
From: Gordon reeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:29:46 -0800
Sounds like you are not having a good 'out of the box'
experience. I have SeSE 6.2 also. See comments inserted below.
In article <0QsA4.4659$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Earley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[posted and mailed]
>
>mingbai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Greetings:
>>
>> A little over 8 months ago, I first began my odessy to install
linux
>> on my home computer. I did a search on the internet and USENET
and it
>> seemed that the SuSE installation package was getting good
reviews.
>> That is what I purchased.
Same here.
>>
>> The intial install seemed to go well, but before I got around
to
>> finishing it up (installing X, etc) I had a fatal computer
meltdown.
>>
>> Now I'm back to the point of once again trying to install
linux on a
>> new dual HD home computer. Again, I purchased SuSE, this time
Linux
>> 6.2..............and have run into a series of problems.
>>
Problems seem to be a normal part of the Linux install process.
I had to install three times before I got it to where I liked it.
But then, When I first tried OS/2 about eight years ago, the same
thing happened. So i just figgured it was par for the course.
>> First, YAST didn't recognize the FAT16 partitions on my hard
drives.
>> It had done so in my previous attempt. I posted and was told
that there
>> was a patch available on the SuSE support website. Great! That
should be
How is your hard drive partitioned? I didn't have any trouble.
But then I didn't let YAST (ie Linux fdisk via YAST) partition my
drive. I dowloaded Ranish Partition Manager, a 3rd party disk
partitioner. I used that to creat all the necessary partitions.
fdisk only had to initlize the file system.
>> a simple download...right?
>>
>> I continue with the installation to get the modem up and
running.
>> PROBLEM 2: Can't get the modem working. Why? Unlike with my
other
>> computer, this time I've got a winmodem (wasn't even aware
there was
>> a difference). Order new modem....still in the mail.
>>
>> Moving on, I try to install X with Sax. As soon as I fire up
Sax, my
>> mouse cursor pegs at the top of the screen then randomly jumps
around
>> the screen with mouse movement. Now here's the thing: the
mouse
>> initially installed fine with gpm. In fact when in text mode,
I can
>> use the mouse to move the curor around. But as soon as Sax
fires up,
>> "something" happens and it destroys whatever set it up it had
so even
>> exitting Sax, the mouse no longer works.
>
>try running Sax without gpm being enabled... I seem to remember
from somewhere that some mouse protocols / x-server combinations
have a problem if GPM is running.
>I don't remember the command off the top of my head but man gpm
should get it for you.
>
I'll second that. IIRC YAST has a warning about this and
specificly asked if GPM should be installed. Not wanting to
invite trouble, I answered NO, and didn't install GPM.
>
>> Doing some keyboard acrobatics, I manage to tame the flying
cursor
>> and enter in most of the data to setup Sax.....only to
discover my ATI
>> video card seems not to be supported. After another post I am
told that
>> there is yet another patch on the SuSE site.
>>
What ATI video card do you have? My ATI works fine. Also, if it
is a X compatibility problem, go to the xfree86.org site for the
very latest drivers and servers. (X drivers for the video card
are called servers). There are several servers that support ATI.
In my case, the server was on the CD. It just didn't get
installed. No biggie, xconfig, sax, or xfsetup (I forget which
I used) told me where to find the file on the CD. Used YAST to
load it, reran xconfig, and off we go.
>> This time I try to download it via the NT side (using
Netscape) to a
>> floppy. I click on the file.....only to RealAudio fire up and
try to
>> "play" the file! Sure enough, for some reason Netscape default
*.rpm
>> files to RealAudio (is this supposed to be this way??) and I
can't
>> seem to find a way to break this default assignment.
>
>This one is simpler to solve... hold down the ALT key while
clicking on the rpm and it will prompt you to save it to disk.
>(this is actually a windows "file association" problem more than
a netscape problem.
I think that's the SHIFT key.
>
>> So, the obvious next step is to try to download the *.tgz
>> version...which I did. I just don't know if the subsequent
>> installation method will be different or what...?? (And how do
I get the Yast
>> update which has no correspoding *tgz version??)
The *.tgz is called a tarball. It is a bunch of files that have
been run through tar, then zipped. the reverse process is to
unzip the file then run it back through tar to un-tar it. There
is a mini-howto on disk 1 that explains this.
BTW: you do know that you can read the SUSE CD's in Windows?
Can't do much with them, but you can get to the documentation.
>>
>> Anyway, the whole point of this long diatribe (besides the
specific
>> questions) is to simply ask: what happened to SuSE? Is this
version
>> particularly bug-prone or did I just luck out the first time
around?
>>
I'm not having the same experience. In my case I knew about
Win modems and made sure that i got a real one. I was also
conservitive about the video card and got an ATI Xpert 98. I
alos lurked on this and several other news groups to see where
others were having problems so that I could try to avoid them, or
at least be prepared for them.
setting up Linux has been a long drawn out process for me. i got
SuSE 6.2 when it first came out. made a first install attempt
about three weeks later. Getting internet access working was a
real trial. But I got it. What I'm getting at is that I think
you are being too harsh on SUSE, the problems that you have
described appear to be general Linux type problems.
>
>I run Mandrake so I can't answer this last one.....
>
>Hope this helps
>
>
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From: "Robert L. Klungle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: W2K shares to/from Linux
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:47:38 GMT
I updated my NT4 system to W2K. Now can't see Linux published drive in
W2K. Still OK on W98 and Quadra.
Suspect W2K doing RPC with different authentication than NT4. Can see
the Linux workgoup icon from Samba but open fails with "RPC fail".
Anyone seen this and know what needs to change in W2K to see the Linux
drive shares??
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TKSIA...bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Burrows)
Subject: Re: How stable is gnuCash 1.3.5?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:54:13 GMT
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:27:32 -0800, Gerald Willmann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>has anyone tried moneydance?
I am using Moneydance and I am very happy with it. It works very well for
check writing and general bank account management. The report-writing
function could use some work, though.
--
Robert Burrows
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Rodney A. Trexler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Associating programs with file types
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:03:07 -0500
I have just started using Mandrake 6.1. I had no problems partitioning or
installing it as dual-boot with win98. Now I just have some general "using
Linux" problems. I can't find help on this subject anywhere, so I thought
maybe this newsgroup was worth a try.
Here's my problem:
My Mandrake 6.1 set came with online manuals in PDF format. The same CD
that has the manuals also has Acrobat Reader 4.0. I installed Acrobat
Reader (from a .tar.gz) and it works fine, if I open the program first then
open a manual from within Acroread. How do I associate Acroread with PDF
files, so that I can click on a filename and it opens in Acroread? When I
click on the file right now, PSviewer opens instead of Acroread, and it
doesn't display the manual correctly. Please help if you can!!!!
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From: James Cornthwaite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PLIP woes. eth0 lockup!
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:07:10 -0500
Hi folks,
I am trying to get a PLIP connection working between a desktop
(running RH) and a laptop (using my slackware bootdisks). Now
i would HOPE that there is no incompatability between Slack
and RH versions of PLIP (both releases came in a 6-CD pack from
infomagic).
Anyways, here's my weird problem: As soon as I put the if up:
ifconfig plip2 192.168.2.1 pointopoint 192.168.2.2 up
my eth0 stops responding until i do an 'ifconifg plip2 down'.
Now, once i've put the interface up, and added the route to the
laptop (192.168.2.2) my routing table looks like this (recalled from
my cobwebbed memory): (x == values i don;t recall)
192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 x x x plip2
192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 x x x eth0
loopback in here too.. don;t recall that line! lo
0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 x x x eth0
[So, before i add the route to 192.168.2.0 this machine works
fine, can access the internet via the gw (192.168.1.1).]
Now, once i've got all 4 routes configured, if i try and do a
traceroute to 192.168.2.2, traceroute tells me
warning: Multiple interfaces found! using 192.168.2.2 @ plip2
what other interface did it find?? surely not the default route.
and, do you think this is what is causing my eth0 to lock up?
any thoughts on this subject would be much appreciated!
Thanks,
James.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:08:18 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 8 Mar 2000 18:41:53 GMT...
...and Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that where "racism" ( for want of a better word ) kicks in is
> in the "networking". It's simply easier to "network" with your own race.
> ( Women have the same problem in male dominated industries btw ) This
> problem is extremely subtle and also somewhat self-perpetuating. It's
> precisely the kind of thing that affirmative action was designed to
> ( but often fails to ) address.
*completely OT!*
Someone recently explained it to me, but I forgot it in the meantime:
what is affirmative action again?
mawa
--
Some people seem to have a kind of key to life. They've got an easy
way to decode it, or either to strip it clean of everything that
doesn't go with their model of it. Other people have got to face it in
its entirety, or at least what looks like its entirety. -- mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:16:13 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:06:10 +0100...
...and Martin Knoblauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Universities are mostly public and almost free of fees. Still a university
> education will coust you (you parents) a lot of money. With a five year
> minimum study time and 12/13 school years you leave university at age 24
> earliest. If you get a PHD it will bring you to 30-35. This is something
> that hurts us a lot (so industry says at least ...).
The industry should just shut up.
They want our education system do deliver 22-year-old university
graduates (with five year's job experience:) who are willing to work
more than their parents for less pay.
In short, they expect impossible things from the state without giving
the state a single penny to live up to their expectations.
If they're not satisfied with the people the education system
delivers, they should go ahead and offer competitive private education
to have their cadres drilled the optimal way. It's a pity that at the
moment, the industry seems to be able to extort everything from the
German government because whenever the government complains about
the industry's wishes, they start whining about how noncompetitive,
losing and lazy everything in Germany is and how it will cost tens of
thousands of jobs if the government doesn't comply immediately to
their demands.
mawa
--
Around the corner lives a hacker with a terminal
And on his Web page is a PNG of RMS
He likes to keep his Sun workstation clean
It's a clean machine...
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From: Paul Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No sound with KDE desktop
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:00:46 +0100
Is kde starting audio?
Check in the startkde script (in /opt/kde/bin/startkde on my SuSE 6.3
installation) for the lines "startifaudio kaudioserver" and
"startifaudio kwmsound".
ALso check that you have enabled system sounds from the "start menu" -
i.e. K-Settings-Sound-System Sounds.
Hope this helps,
Paul
> Rafael Przybyszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> stated with
> conviction:
>
> > > How do I setup sounds for the KDE desktop. I'm using a sblive and can't
> > > get a peep out of the desktop system sounds.
>
> > I have the same problem, my sound is working in Gnome, but not in KDE
> > events.
>
> I think the problem is that with the Live you have to compile and
> install the driver as a module and the system is looking for a standard
> association like the OSS drivers.
>
> However, I can't figure how to hook it into the system and all
> suggestions have failed.
>
> I play CD's just fine :(
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ: 56576008
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:18:45 -0800
From: John Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> Around the corner lives a hacker with a terminal
> And on his Web page is a PNG of RMS
> He likes to keep his Sun workstation clean
> It's a clean machine...
Are there more lyrics to go with this snippet??
Damn, now I'll have "Penny Lane" goin' round in my head all day..
Cheers,
--
john hagen ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ian Mac Lure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Plotting Tool for Linux?
Date: 17 Mar 2000 18:20:03 GMT
Jens Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hallo JR,
[SNIP]
: Commercial programs with free replacement:
: - s-plus (statistics programming language, see "R" for
: free implementation)
: - MatLab (free replacement available)
Octave? Supposed to be like unto MatLab. I've installed it
but haven't had a chance to use.
For most things gnuplot should do nicely. Learning curve
is relatively benign and there are good examples in the
docs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LI error message at boot
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:19:02 GMT
Thank you.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:54:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <<8aralu$71$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
> >Now I need to put the pc back in service on my network as it was
> >(Win95/Netware).
>
> ??? Funny, Linux plays well with WinXX and Novell on a network.
>
> >I deleted/recreated all my FAT16 partitions and logical drives and
re-
> >ghosted the pc with my standard image.
>
> Your Ghost program is b0rken, then. Read on...
>
> >I boot my PC and it gets about half way (right where I'm expecting
> >Win95 to start) through and sits on the message LI followed by a
> >blinking cursor.
>
> You installed LILO in the MBR and your Ghost program didn't bother to
> overwrite the MBR. Simple to fix.
> 1. Find a Win9x machine.
> 2. Put a floppy in its drive.
> 3. FORMAT A:
> 4. SYS A:
> 5. COPY C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\FDISK.EXE A:\
> 6. Boot the "sick" machine from this bootable DOS floppy
> 7. FDISK /MBR
> 8. You might have to use FDISK to set the first partition as active...
>
> This is one of the reasons why you don't install LILO in the MBR
unless
> you have no alternative.
>
> >My comments on Linux: very interesting, but I would have to train my
> >users for a week before they'd be able to copy a file to a floppy.
It's
> >a long way away from being something for your average user. But..that
> >doesn't seem to be the target for this OS.
>
> There are as many targets for Linux as there are developers and
users; the
> silly thing is Hydra-headed and slithering along very quickly. Don't
> underestimate your users, either... the smarter ones would probably be
> intrigued enough to climb a learning curve.
>
> --
> Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| Programmers are playwrights
> There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
> But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama
critics
> (Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down
theatres.
>
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Before you buy.
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From: Ed Vigmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How stable is gnuCash 1.3.5?
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:26:36 -0600
Rob Knop wrote:
>
> I know that the 1.2 branch is the stable branch, but if I use 1.3, it
> will save me from having to muck with Motif.
>
> The README file suggests that "soon" the 1.3 branch will be stable
> enough for general use. Has that "soon" happened yet? Or if I use
> 1.3.5, do I risk having my account balances calculated wrong, and my
> financial records lost?
I have never found gnuCash to be stable. It has always crashed on me
whther comiled from scratch or precompiled. It now lasts a little longer
before crashing.
========================
Dr. Edward Vigmond
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Tulane University
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Parsons)
Subject: Re: Help with Linux advocacy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:51:05 GMT
On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:06:38 GMT, John Loukidels wrote:
>2. As an alternative, I could go out and buy one kick-ass machine, a
> Linux distribution that includes Netscape and StarOffice 5.1 and
> two legacy machines (say 486 66's with 24MB RAM each etc). My
> guess is that that would cost me about CDN$4,000. I would hire a
> Linux consultant to network the machines (also for CDN$1,000?) so
> that the legacy boxes would be X terminals used by the consultants.
> Not only is this solution much cheaper, but I get easier software
> administration, no-headache intra-office email, no-headache net
> access, no-headache file sharing, no-headache printer sharing etc.
> The question is, is it realistic to expect the kick-ass box to be
> able to run three X sessions where each session is running SO 5.1
> and Navigator (these programs are mighty big pigs after all)?
As long as you have a reasonably fast network this setup should work nicely.
I used to run the X server and X clients on a single 486/66 w/ 20MB ram.
All your "terminals" would be running is X (the X server, no clients) and
should be more than sufficient for this. Window managers and programs will
run on the big box, so you could run KDE, gnome or whatever you want for a
WM.
Your big box will be able to handle three X sessions, etc., provided you
have enough memory. I would suggest 32MB for a base, plus 64MB to 96MB for
each user. For three users, get a 400-500Mhz processor w/ 256MB or so of
ram. It shouldn't bog down except during a long compile, or unless all
users run SO and Netscape both at the same time, actively switching between
the two. With 512MB ram, this problem goes away
Tim
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From: "Jad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Co-Location Hosting Help
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:50:06 -0500
HI everyone
I am about to change my web hosting to a company that offers "Co-Location"
hosting. I am familiar with Linux and UNIX systems, but I am not an expert.
I have been using RedHat (Text and Graph. interfaces) here for a while now,
but its always been on a machine that I can see and touch, right in front of
me. I wanted to see if anyone has any advise or recommendation about having
to remotely control a Linux system. I have heard about a bunch of Web based
programs that can control the server, does anyone have any recommendation
about any these programs. Basically I want to know what I am about to get
myself into.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jad
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From: Ian Mac Lure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 17 Mar 2000 18:55:45 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:27:35 GMT, Christopher Browne wrote:
[SNIP]
: I'd agree that housing costs in the US are fairly high.
Huh? Maybe in the major coastal conurbations ( LA, Atlanta,
DC-NY-Boston, SF Bay ) but most places the cost of a home is
quite reasonable. A common comment from many continental Europeans
is that they couldn't dream of owning property in their home
country but that here it was well within reach. Met a couple from
Klagenfurt Austria on a plane
In Silicon Valley only 1/4 of the population could afford to buy
a typical single family home but this is ( IMHO ) a pathological
situation.
I have no idea what property goes for in rural Ireland though.
[SNIP]
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