Linux-Misc Digest #910, Volume #23               Mon, 20 Mar 00 20:13:02 EST

Contents:
  Re: -hosts.deny- how does it deny? how do IPpackets move internally? (Carl Fink)
  Re: Running script with telnet (Tim Hockin)
  Re: WindowMaker + RH6.1: crash during SaveSession (Jehsom)
  Re: RH 6.0 Viper V770 : Screen Resolution ("KellPro Mail - Micah")
  ppp <-> serial port problem (Gerald Pollack)
  error message reporting on laser printer (Jim Skelton)
  Forte/Linux thread problem - HELLLLLPPPPPP!!!!!! (Sixman9)
  Kernel re-compile: Do I have the sequence right?  (Just checking...) (Kenny 
McCormack)
  Re: displaying server uptime via html (J Bland)
  Why doesn't APM support in the kernel work (in Red Hat) ? (Kenny McCormack)
  Re: Do you hate vi?  vi or vim?  Deathmatch! (Ralf Arens)
  Re: Running script with telnet (Frank da Cruz)
  Re: NY Times Article (Johan Kullstam)
  Re: Win2000 trashed Lilo, of course. I GIVE UP!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Corrupt file system (Idar Tollefsen)
  Re: Linux vs MS; point-n-click ("Chad")
  Re: avoiding the mouse (Carl Fink)
  Re: Why doesn't APM support in the kernel work (in Red Hat) ? (Edward Jong)
  Re: Linux vs MS; point-n-click (Hal Burgiss)
  Syslog local* question (Edge)
  Re: Older Dell Pentium 90 won't recognize 10G Hard Rive (Steve Martonak)
  Re: Do you hate vi? (Ralf Arens)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: -hosts.deny- how does it deny? how do IPpackets move internally?
Date: 20 Mar 2000 11:50:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:32:25 +0100 Alexander K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>as a test i put this line in my hosts.deny file:
>ALL : ALL

The hosts.allow file overrides hosts.deny in specific cases.  Try
"man 5 hosts_access".
-- 
Carl Fink               [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I-Con's Science and Technology Guest of Honor in 2000 will be Geoffrey
A. Landis.  See <http://www.iconsf.org> for I-Con information.

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From: Tim Hockin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.misc,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Running script with telnet
Date: 20 Mar 2000 23:04:09 GMT

In comp.os.linux.misc Matheus Cunha Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Is it possible to telnet another box and run a script from your machine
: in the foreign host. As an example, suppose I want to telnet a pop
: server
: (telnet foreign.domain.com 110) and automatically delete the messages
: there and log out. It's just an example, I know there are pop reader
: that
: can do that...

: Is ther any option in telnet that allows me executing the comands after
: conecting?

man rsh
man expect



-- 
Tim Hockin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This program has been brought to you by the language C and the number F.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jehsom)
Subject: Re: WindowMaker + RH6.1: crash during SaveSession
Date: 20 Mar 2000 23:14:17 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I notice that when I attempt to save my session, it aborts the entire
> session with Bug#11

Redhat was stupid and included a buggy WindowMaker with 6.1. Upgrade
the RPM by downloading the newest version at rpmfind.net.

Moshe

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From: "KellPro Mail - Micah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 Viper V770 : Screen Resolution
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:20:33 GMT

New Comment:
I asked a friend about this and he said that there is a file or website
called QLIPECK that fixes this does anyone know where I can get this or what
else I can do?

 I installed RedHat 6.0 Kernel Build 2.2.5-15 and the screen is so large
that
 I cannot do hardly anything because of it being a virtual desktop.  The
part
 I don't understand is that linux detects it as a Diamond V770 and allows me
 to set the screen resolutions I would like to have.  But it always comes up
 the same size.
 I am running: Tyan s1590s, AMD K6/III 400, 128Mb Ram, Princeton EO40 (In Rh
monitor list) and Dual Booting w/ Win95.

 Thanks,

 Micah
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]





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From: Gerald Pollack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ppp <-> serial port problem
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:22:48 GMT

I connect my wince hand-held (Velo 500) to my linux system via ppp on=20
ttyS0. I do this using wince's "Remote networking". The procedure is=20
to log onto my linux system using the wince machine as a terminal,=20
then to start pppd on the linux machine, then to place the wince's=20
networking program into the background (by selecting File|Continue=20
from its menu). On one of my linux systems this works fine; I can=20
transfer files between the two systems with no problems.  On another=20
system, I can log on to the linux system and get pppd started (I see=20
the "garbage" characters on the wince's screen), but when I put the=20
wince communication program into the background, I am disconnected=20
from the linux system. Both linux systems are running mandrake 6.1,=20
and so far as I can tell they are configured similarly.=20

The following messages are generated by pppd (started with the debug=20
option):

Mar 20 18:15:35 jiminy pppd[685]: pppd 2.3.8 started by jerry, uid 0
Mar 20 18:15:35 jiminy pppd[685]: Using interface ppp0
Mar 20 18:15:35 jiminy pppd[685]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
Mar 20 18:15:35 jiminy pppd[685]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=3D0x1 <asyncmap 0=
x0>=20
<magic 0x9b3df418> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Mar 20 18:15:51 jiminy last message repeated 5 times
Mar 20 18:15:53 jiminy pppd[685]: Modem hangup
Mar 20 18:15:53 jiminy pppd[685]: Connection terminated.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

--=20
Gerald Pollack, eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
McGill University, Dept. of Biology, H3A 1B1 Montreal
Tel: 514-398-6418, Fax: 514-398-5069




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From: Jim Skelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: error message reporting on laser printer
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:27:52 +0000

I have a brother HL1250 pcl6 laser printer which works fine using the
ghostscript HP laserjet 6 drivers. But having no LCD display it relys on
PC software for reporting the error messages. Brother supply a  M$
Windows "status monitor program", but is there any similar software for
linux, even a method for loggin these errors in the var/log/messages? 
-- 
        Regards

                Jim Skelton

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From: Sixman9 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.lang.java.programmers
Subject: Forte/Linux thread problem - HELLLLLPPPPPP!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:48:20 +0000

Can anybody help? I'm using RH6.0 with either Blackdown 1.2.2preV2 Java
or Sun jdk1.2.2 and I'm getting the following output from Forte RC3
(Build 500) when trying to start for the first time:

-- System info
================================================================
  Product Version          = Forte for Java, CE v. 1.0 (Build 500)
  IDE Versioning           = IDE/1 spec=1.0.1 impl=Build 500
  Operating System         = Linux Version 2.2.5-15 Running on i386
  Java Version             = 1.2
  Java VM Version          = Classic VM 1.2
  Java Vendor              = Sun Microsystems Inc.
  Java Vendor URL          = http://java.sun.com/
  Java Home                = /usr/local/jdk1.2.2/jre
  Java Class Version       = 46.0
  JIT                      = NONE
  Home Dir                 = /root
  Current Directory        = /root
  Forte for Java Home      = /usr/local/forte4j
  Forte for Java User Home = /usr/local/forte4j
  System Directory         = /usr/local/forte4j/system
  CLASSPATH                =
/usr/local/forte4j/lib/ext/AbsoluteLayout.jar:/usr/local/forte4j/lib/ext/javac.jar:/usr/local/forte4j/lib/ext/jh.jar:/usr/local/forte4j/lib/ext/jini-core.jar:/usr/local/forte4j/lib/ext/jini-ext.jar:/usr/local/forte4j/lib/ext/regexp.jar:/usr/local/forte4j/lib/ext/servlet.jar:/usr/local/forte4j/lib/ext/sun-util.jar:/usr/local/forte4j/lib/ext/xml.jar:/usr/local/forte4j/lib:/usr/local/forte4j/lib/developer.jar:/usr/local/forte4j/lib/openide.jar:/usr/local/forte4j/lib/updater.jar:/usr/local/jdk1.2.2/lib/dt.jar:/usr/local/jdk1.2.2/lib/tools.jar

===============================================================================

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.Error: can't load
javax.swing.plaf.metal.MetalLookAndFeel
 at javax.swing.UIManager.initializeDefaultLAF(UIManager.java:826)
 at javax.swing.UIManager.initialize(UIManager.java:896)
 at javax.swing.UIManager.maybeInitialize(UIManager.java:913)
 at javax.swing.UIManager.getDefaults(UIManager.java:423)
 at com.netbeans.developer.impl.Main.main(Main.java:381)
 at com.netbeans.developer.Main.main(Main.java:25)

It says on the Forte EAP (Early Entry Program) site to secify
'THREADS_FLAG=green' & JAVA_COMPILER=NONE in the
/usr/local/forte4j/bin/forte4j.sh shell script (which I do and 'export'
the to variables), but doing this has no effect (other than changing the
JIT line above from sunwjit to NONE). I'm going spare here (UK spare =
mad), just want to use Linux for Java instead of crash prone NT4.

Thanks


--
Money doesn't change you, it just allows you to be who you are.




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Kernel re-compile: Do I have the sequence right?  (Just checking...)
Date: 20 Mar 2000 17:39:13 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On a recently installed Red Hat system, I do the following (from text mode
console login as root):

        cd /usr/src/linux
        make menuconfig
        make dep
        make install
        make modules
        make modules_install

Is that the right sequence?  Any better/worse ways?

Note, BTW, that the "make install" makes a bzimage kernel and lilo's it.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Re: displaying server uptime via html
Date: 20 Mar 2000 23:30:38 GMT

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>> does anyone know how to display the server uptime on a web page, other
>> than the "server-status" directory?
>> is there a simple character command for it that can be placed in any
>> html doc. on the server itself?
>
>You could probably write a small shell-script, put it into your cgi-bin
>directory and have the html-file have an include dierctive or something
>like that.
>No guarantee that it willwork, but I don't see why it wuldn't.
>

There is such a thing already out there, called uptimed.

*rummages in /src directory*

It's by Rob Kaper and can be found at http://capsi.cx/code-uptimed.php

It's not quite as simple as just sticking a cgi script in the system but it
also keeps a nice list of your top uptimes. Works fine here.

JB

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Why doesn't APM support in the kernel work (in Red Hat) ?
Date: 20 Mar 2000 17:44:28 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have a recently installed Red Hat system, and, using the stock kernel, get
error msg on bootup saying "APM ... Failed - no APM support in the kernel"
OK, I figure this is just a problem with the installation kernel - a
installation bug - they ship you with apm daemon on by default (Yes, I know
you *could* have turned it off during the install, but it is on by default).

So, I compile a new kernel, and, in the menuconfig, I explicitly verify that
APM support is on (It shows a *, which means it is built-in, not a module).
Kernel compile goes OK, everything is fine, but when I reboot, it still says
"APM ... failed ...".  Why for?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf Arens)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi?  vi or vim?  Deathmatch!
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:16:12 +0100

Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shyamal Prasad) wrote in 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[...]
>>  PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE  SIZE   RES STATE   TIME    CPU COMMAND
>> 4893 exushml    1  34    0 4784K 2496K sleep   0:00  0.02% vim
[...]
> {morpheus@teleute:~} ps ux
> USER       PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
> morpheus  8469  0.2  1.9  2068 1216 pts/1    S    08:42   0:00 vim

>     Odd.  Mine weighs in at 2Mb, 1.2M of which is resident.  That is compared 
> to nvi which doesn't doo much more than vi at 1.6M/825k respectively and 
> elvis-tiny which, agian, doesn't do much more than vi at 1.3Mb/572k 
> respectively.

>     Those are all doing nothing.  So what why does your nothing differ from 
> my nothing?

Some examples:
USER       PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
joe       2186  1.0  6.2  6868 3952 ?        S    21:02   0:01 gvim -geometry 80
joe       2194  1.4  3.0  3300 1960 pts/3    S    21:04   0:00 vim
joe       2197  5.0  2.5  3108 1648 pts/10   S    21:04   0:00 vim -u NONE

You can compile different versions of Vim. gvim is compiled with Gtk+
and Interpreters for Perl, Python and Tcl (and several other
features). vim is compiled without interpreters but with the other
features, e.g. syntax-highlighting, cindent, autocmd, viminfo.

Besides you can see the difference if I source my config-files (which
include some functions) or not (vim -u NONE).


Ciao,
Ralf

-- 
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing...
if you can fake that, you've got it made.
-- Groucho Marx

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank da Cruz)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.misc,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Running script with telnet
Date: 20 Mar 2000 23:59:13 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matheus Cunha Torres  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Is it possible to telnet another box and run a script from your machine in
: the foreign host. As an example, suppose I want to telnet a pop server
: (telnet foreign.domain.com 110) and automatically delete the messages there
: and log out. It's just an example, I know there are pop reader that can do
: that...
: 
: Is ther any option in telnet that allows me executing the comands after
: conecting?
: 
A very common question, and one which always bring forth a blizzard of
different answers, the most common one being "use expect".  Here's another
perspective, quoting myself from a recent comp.unix.programmer thread:

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank da Cruz)
 Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer
 Subject: Re: Telnet
 Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:45:27 GMT
 Organization: Columbia University
 Lines: 75

 In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 : ...
 : Another poster already mention this but since you don't know
 : perl now C I'm guessing a vague reference to 'expect' might
 : not stick in your mind.
 : 
 : Expect is a scripting tool that is designed to automated command
 : line interactions via pseudo-terminals.  It should be exactly
 : what you are looking for.  Take a look at http://expect.nist.gov.
 : 
 Expect will normally do the job, but it's not available for as many
 UNIX platforms as C-Kermit, let alone non-UNIX platforms like VMS,
 OS-9, VOS, etc.

 Also there is an intrinsic weakness in the 'expect' approach -- all
 that 'expect' sees is text.  So when automating interactions with some
 other program such as telnet or ftp, the only way to tell whether a
 particular command succeeded or failed is by parsing the response --
 which is notoriously unreliable.  In the case of Telnet, it has no
 way of knowing if the text it's looking at is from the remote host
 or from the local Telnet program.  It's just a stream of text.

 When the scripting language is intrinsic to the Telnet client, it
 knows when a command succeeds or fails because it executed the command
 itself.  When using 'expect' to drive the Telnet program, you have
 to account for various responses:

   $ telnet foo.blah                     <-- Bad hostname
   foo.blah: unknown host
   telnet> 

   $ telnet pc.xyzcorp.com               <-- Host with no telnet server
   Trying 123.123.123.123
   telnet: connect: Connection refused
   telnet>

   $ telnet down.xyzcorp.com             <-- Host is down
   Trying 123.123.123.124 ...
   telnet: connect: Connection timed out
   telnet>

   $ telnet mainframe.xyzcorp.com        <-- Incompatible telnet server
   Trying 123.123.123.125 ...
   Connected to mainframe.xyzcorp.com
   Escape character is '^]'.
   Connection closed by foreign host.

   $ telnet okhost.com                   <-- This one worked
   Welcome to okhost.com, blah blah ...
   login:

 And so on...

 In C-Kermit, this is programmed as follows:

   set host <hostname> /telnet
   if fail (take-desired-action) <-- It doesn't matter what the message is.
   input 10 login:
   if fail ...

 Once the connection is made, of course, you still have to script the remote
 prompts, commands, and responses.  Unless, of course, a Kermit server is
 available on the remote system, in which case you can use client/server
 commands for most common tasks (including file transfer) and skip the
 scripting altogether.

 C-Kermit is at:

   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html

 Sample telnet and other scripts are at:

   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html

 - Frank

(end quote)

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Subject: Re: NY Times Article
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:11:26 GMT

"Neal G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Buck Turgidson wrote:
> 
> > March 20, 2000
> >
> > I.B.M. Goes Countercultural With Linux
> > By STEVE LOHR
> >
> 
> "The meek shall inherit the Earth".

"... they are too weak to refuse it."  -- a old bsd fortune

-- 
J o h a n  K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Win2000 trashed Lilo, of course. I GIVE UP!!!
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:13:23 GMT

And verily, didst Bernhard Mogens Ege hastily scribble thusly:
>>>>>> "Brad" == Brad  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> I have tried and tried.  WHY IS THIS SO HARD???? I have spent hours and hours on
>> this and i can't get lilo installed.

>> Can anyone help me with this? It is getting very dull.

>> Brad

> Well, you could try loadlin.exe from DOS. This is what I always boot
> my RedHat installation with.

Win2000 doesn't have DOS.... does it?

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From: Idar Tollefsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Corrupt file system
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:24:06 GMT

Andreas Meile wrote:
> 
> Idar Tollefsen schrieb in Nachricht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Hello,
> >
> >When booting, fsck reports errors on the file system, check forced.
> >After a while, it fails with signal 11, droping me to a root
> >shell with orders to run fsck manually.
> >
> >When I do this, it still fails with signal 11 just when it's
> >about to finish. This is the complete output from the run:
> 
> Lot of Signal 11 errors? Perhaps always on *different* situations? Perhaps
> you have one of those typical cheap no name mainboards of lousy quality?!?
> As the "computer doctor" in my region (the people ring to me when they have
> a problem on their Windows box), I got enough bad :-( experiences with those
> cheap discounter shop PCs...

He, he, he :-DDD
Sorry  for the laughing, but this is my priavte Alpha we are talking
about. It's a 164LX motherboard with a 533MHz 21164 Alpha CPU and a
128MB of RAM. There is nothing "lousy" about the qualty here, and
definelty
nothing "cheap" or "no name" :-D

> I also installed Linux on such boxes. Preferrablely when I want compile a
> customized kernel, the "make zImage" stops with such errors. My only
> advices: Try changing your BIOS settings, also look at the Internet to get a
> BIOS update. Swapping your PCI cards often causes also wonders... :-) Just
> before I had a crashing server when I'm online and sending something over my
> new ISDN card...

I allready run the latest AlphaBIOS (5.70). And why change any BIOS
setings?
The problem occured after I had installed a binary package of XFree86
4.0 and
configured it for my Diamond Fire GL 1000 PRO. The screen flickered
twice
and the machine rebootet. I don't think this is a hardware problem, it's
had
the same hardware since it first came online in late '97, execpt for a
change
of graphic card in early '98. If there was a hardware fault, I would
have
suspected the HDD. I thought it might have been damaged, but a search
for 
bad blocks yielded nothing. So, I don't think this is a HW problem.




- Idar Tollefsen

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From: "Chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux vs MS; point-n-click
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:51:01 -0500

As with everything in life information is the key to success.  With windows
the Subtle points of fine tuneing a system is burried deep within thousdand
dollar MS certification courses.  What you see on the outside is a "here
idiot click me and I will work for a little while" interface.  Now if you
want NT to run good and stable you can RTFM and all and it will.

This is my point.  If you want to get something to work do it right the
first time.  So with linux they skipped the middle step and give you all the
info up front.  So if you are lucky (read smart) enough to get it to work in
the first place then it will never let you down.

This is not saying Linux is better than NT just that the people who run
Linux well are better than the poeple who run NT at all.  :)




"David Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:38d6a253$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Trying out a switch to linux, and I have some frustrations.
> How is linux going to be a successful replacement to NT if
> I gota RTFM every time I want to do something simple like
> install a program.  I am trying to setup a ftp server on a RR cable
> modem cuz NT/WarFTP isn't doing what I want.  So far I finally
> got linux installed <what a hastle, I thought NT was picky on hardware>
> After that I am trying to figure out how to get on the net let alone
install
> glftpd and get user accounts setup.  From what I have read I gota download
> some C code and compile it and then jump through some other hoops
> to get my cable modem to work on linux.  Of course my provider says
> I'm SOL since they do not support linux.  So then how difficult is it
going
> to be to get a linux ftp box up and running.  BTW with winblows I could
> get my mom to install it and she has never even been on a puter.
>
> thankx for reading....
>
>
>
>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: avoiding the mouse
Date: 20 Mar 2000 23:28:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:08:29 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there a X window manager in which each applications's top
>level window is numbered so I can jump between them without
>cycling through them all or clicking with the mouse?

Not numbered, but icewm shows them all on the task bar and makes it
simple to alt-tab through them.  Yes, you still have to cycle.
-- 
Carl Fink               [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I-Con's Science and Technology Guest of Honor in 2000 will be Geoffrey
A. Landis.  See <http://www.iconsf.org> for I-Con information.

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From: Edward Jong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why doesn't APM support in the kernel work (in Red Hat) ?
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:41:11 -0800

Check your motherboard.  Does it support Auto Power Management?  Most new
motherboards do.
Ancient motherboards do not support APM.

Kenny McCormack wrote:

> I have a recently installed Red Hat system, and, using the stock kernel, get
> error msg on bootup saying "APM ... Failed - no APM support in the kernel"
> OK, I figure this is just a problem with the installation kernel - a
> installation bug - they ship you with apm daemon on by default (Yes, I know
> you *could* have turned it off during the install, but it is on by default).
>
> So, I compile a new kernel, and, in the menuconfig, I explicitly verify that
> APM support is on (It shows a *, which means it is built-in, not a module).
> Kernel compile goes OK, everything is fine, but when I reboot, it still says
> "APM ... failed ...".  Why for?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: Linux vs MS; point-n-click
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:48:48 GMT

On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:14:54 -0800, David Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Trying out a switch to linux, and I have some frustrations.  How is
>linux going to be a successful replacement to NT if I gota RTFM every
>time I want to do something simple like install a program.  I am trying
>to setup a ftp server on a RR cable modem cuz NT/WarFTP isn't doing
>what I want.  So far I finally got linux installed <what a hastle, I
>thought NT was picky on hardware> After that I am trying to figure out
>how to get on the net let alone install glftpd and get user accounts
>setup.  From what I have read I gota download some C code and compile
>it and then jump through some other hoops to get my cable modem to work
>on linux.  Of course my provider says I'm SOL since they do not support
>linux.  So then how difficult is it going to be to get a linux ftp box
>up and running.  BTW with winblows I could get my mom to install it and
>she has never even been on a puter.

OK, sounds like flamebait, but here's the deal. MS is designed so that
even an idiot can give it a go. This is good and bad. Good for the
idiots of the world, bad for those who want something a little more.
Both have their place.

Linux is different than MS. Things will go better when you don't deal
with it with the same predispositions. You will have to learn something
about it in order to get something useful out of it. There is that
learning curve. Until that hump is crossed there will be many
frustrations. Each frustration leads to a bit of acquired knowledge.
Once you know your way around a bit, things will keep getting easier. 

-- 
Hal B
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From: Edge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Syslog local* question
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:52:07 GMT

What is the limit of syslog?  are there only local1.*-local7.* or can
you use local(x).* for logging?  This is for RH 6.1 installations

thanks in advance


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Before you buy.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Martonak)
Subject: Re: Older Dell Pentium 90 won't recognize 10G Hard Rive
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:03:17 GMT

"Buck Turgidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I also have a Dell P-90 (the chip with the "infamous" fault).  I was able to
>update the BIOS (for Y2k reasons).  Call them or try their web-site.  I
>don't remember how I did it, but I am sure it was before I converted the
>Dell to linux, so the patch they sent me was DOS-based.  That may pose a
>problem.

>Vlar Schreidlocke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I have an older Dell Pentium 90 computer that I want to make into a
>> Linux firewall box. I got a 10G hard drive for it, but the BIOS
>> apparently won't recognize anything above 2G, so Linux Mandrake can't
>> create the file system because no acceptable devices are recognized. I
>> can't find any 2G drives new. How can I make this box recognize the
>> larger drive so I can install Linux?

linux doesn't care what the BIOS reports.  Make a small partition to
boot from and then use the linux fdisk to partition the rest of the
disk.  Once linux is booted, it never goes back to the BIOS.




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf Arens)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi?
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:14:00 +0100

Matt Chiglinsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> vim is for crazy people who want something as powerful as emacs but as
> cryptic as vi.  ;)

Strange. I use Vim because I what something powerful which is not as
cryptic as [X]Emacs.


Ciao,
Ralf


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