Linux-Misc Digest #94, Volume #24 Sun, 9 Apr 00 22:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Good Java IDE for Linux? (Jim Cochrane)
Re: news problem ("pc")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Christopher Smith")
Re: kernel installation on a RedHat system (Dances With Crows)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Christopher Smith")
Re: HD backup to smaller HD (Jonathan M Hill)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
lost+found ("Martin Baumann")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Christopher Smith")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Pjtg0707)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Pjtg0707)
Re: Why won't a vfat partition mount read-write ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mouse focus question ("Kevin Vandersloot")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (fungus)
Re: Kernel compile bzImage error 2 (Dances With Crows)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Mike Jones)
Re: lost+found (Dances With Crows)
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:14:56 -0500
petilon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Every company, which ever developed anything, will recuperate
> > the cost of the R & D. Microsoft is not different in that
> > respect.
>
> Microsoft is only different in that they have extracted oscenely
> large profits, and what's worse, they are continuing to extract
> huge amounts of money from their customers, without
> proportionately improving their products. For example, Word97
> costs the same as Word95 and yet the products are practically
> identical.
Spoken as someone that's never used both products extensively.
Word 97 offers tons of new featuers over Word 95. Hell, the help system
alone is a massive change. Other features of Office 97 that I used
extensively were table drawing (the ability to draw your tables with a
drawing tool, thus removing the awkwardness of resizing tables to fit
irregular areas). On the fly grammar checking was new, another huge change.
They were not "practically identical" by any shape of the imagination.
> People think Microsoft isn't raising prices, but when they sell
> you the same product multiple times (e.g.: Win95/98, Word95/97),
> if that isn't a subtle price increase what is?
Do you go out and buy a new model car every year just because it's new?
Probably not. Are you suggesting that GM is raising prices by coming out
with a new, practically the same model every year?
> > Would you care to elaborate as to why the price of the
> > Windows9x has not changed since 1995? That fact in itself is
> > contradicting your statement.
>
> The fact that the price of Windows9x hasn't changed since 1995
> shows that that they have raised prices. Now that may seem like
> a contradiction until you realize, as I have, that I paid $90
> when Widows95 came out and another $90 for Windows98, for a total
> of $180, and yet I have basically the same product (except for a
> few bug fixes) that I had in 1995. So what I have in my hand
> today is a $180 product.
Then why did you upgrade? Obviously it was worth it to you to buy the
product, or you wouldn't have done it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane)
Subject: Good Java IDE for Linux?
Date: 9 Apr 2000 19:12:40 -0600
I'd like to find a good integrated development environment for Java on
Linux - preferably one that has good browsing facilities - e.g., browsing
superclasses and subclasses, etc.
Any opinions on the current good Java IDEs for Linux? Has anyone tried
Inprise's Java IDE - what do you think?
Thanks -
--
Jim Cochrane
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "pc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: news problem
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:00:27 +0800
Hello Steve
After installation of Red Hat 6.0,
then I try to setup DNS and sendmail.
It is all I have done.
I still receive this email everyday.
thanks
pc
Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:39:55 +0800, pc wrote:
> >I receive this email everyday.
> >
> >/usr/bin/news.daily: /var/lib/news/.news.daily: Permission denied
> >
> >How can I handle it ?
>
> Give us some more info, like what news stuff you've got set up, have
> you set a cron job to retrieve news in the middle of the night, then
> deleted or moved that news server and decided to use something else
> and forgotten to stop the cron job.
>
> More info.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> %HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
>
> web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
>
> or http://start.at/zero-pps
>
> 10:05pm up 5 days, 39 min, 4 users, load average: 1.00, 1.01, 1.00
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:20:39 +1000
"Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Otto wrote:
> >
> > That's not true, the last PC I bought with OS pre-installed had
Windows3.1
> > on it. Since then this is my fifth PC and none of them came pre-loaded
with
> > any OS.
>
> Otto, don't you think it's odd that a large PC-manufacturing
> company like IBM, who has their own operating systems, will
> not sell you a PC without Windows on it? IBM will not sell
> you a PC that is pre-loaded exclusively with OS/2. The best
> you can get is OS/2 and Windows dual-boot. There's something
> wrong there IMHO, Otto.
That is merely another example of IBM's stupidity. Even when OS/2 was at
its peak and was a viable Windows competitor IBM wasn't including it on all
its machines (you had to specifically order it).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: kernel installation on a RedHat system
Date: 09 Apr 2000 21:17:52 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:53:00 -0400, asage
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I was able to successfully install the 2.2.14 kernel, hoping to apply a
>backport patch for the USB mouse (couldn't get the patch to woik). The
>Mandrake 7.0 distro uses this 2.2.14 kernel and I'm wondering, maybe naively,
>if there might be just one or a handful of packages from the Mandrake distro
>that could be installed and therefore solve the USB mouse problem I'm having.
FWIW, kernel 2.3.99-pre3 has USB support as an option; no backport needed
at all. Been running it for a week now with no crashes or odd problems...
guess the development kernels are getting close. Also, disk performance
as measured by bonnie was 140% of what it was under 2.2.14. YMMV, but you
might wish to try it out--if you find a bug and report it, it will help
everyone.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| Programmers are playwrights
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:24:30 -0500
fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Would you care to elaborate as to why the price of the Windows9x
> > has not changed since 1995?
>
> Yes it has. They put the price of Windows 95 up when Windows
> 98 was released. Windows 98 was cheap because they didn't
> actually put a lot of R&D into it, it's just Windows 95
> with a makeover.
Obviously you didn't take part of the Windows 98 beta program. A lot of
effort did go into it, and many massive changes. It's just that much of it
was under the surface. Hell, you don't just bolt on a new device driver
model, you completely dig up the foundation and relay it.
> Remember that they developed the whole of Windows 95 in
> the same timeframe as they did the makeover to produce
> Windows 98. This is stagnation of technology, and more
> evidence of somebody who doesn't need to work hard to keep
> their customers.
There was less effort put into Windows 98, than Windows 95, true. Most of
Microsofts resources were going into NT 5.
Even so, Windows 98 was essentially "done" almost a year before it was
released. They spent the better part of the next 6 months working on
Windows 3.1 compatibility and then the entire DOJ fiasco broke out.
In any event, it's no different than GM releasing a new model of car that is
nearly the same as last years model. The only "crime" Of windows 98, is
that they should have had a cheaper upgrade price for existing Windows 95
users.
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:23:39 +1000
"Charles R. Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> > "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > btolder wrote:
> > > > The cost of M$ software is incredibly reasonable. It's running about
$90
> > > > every 3 years for an OS upgrade. That's $30 per year. Most companies
> > budget
> > > > more for office supplies and copies per employee per year.
> > >
> > > Except that becasue of economies of scale, it SHOULD be MUCH cheaper.
> >
> > Then, of course, they get charged with dumping.....
>
> Nothing would prevent them from giving away their OS provided they
> didn't require a contract prohibiting inclusion of non-MS applications.
I sincerely doubt that if MS "sold" Windows for $0 _anywhere_ they wouldn't
be hit with dumping charges.
> The problem wasn't that they gave away IE, but that they make getting
> good prices for the OS contingent on including IE and excluding
> Netscape.
Proof ? I seem to remember them insisting that the Netscape (or any other)
icon not be included on the Desktop, but I don't recall anything at all
about it not being installed.
> MS could make a case that other OS vendors (Linux, FreeBSD)
> give away their product, and that the per-unit-cost of Win2000 is so
> near zero that the difference doesn't matter.
Linux and FreeBSD are not really competing in the same market as Win2k
(yet). And in the cases where they are, I'd imagine commercial
distributions are far more common.
> If I thought there was a
> snowballs chance in hades of MS adopting such a strategy, I would
> mortgage the farm and buy more MS stock. But Gates is too much of a
> control freak to do that.
It'd be about as likely as Apple giving away MacOS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan M Hill)
Subject: Re: HD backup to smaller HD
Date: 10 Apr 2000 00:58:45 GMT
Hello;
I'm not going to claim to be an expert....First make sure that you don't
try to copy /proc as it is not a real file system like the others on your
system.
To backup, I'd suggest that you use a program like tar, dump or cpio.
GNU tar will simultaneously archive and compress for you.
Jonathan Hill
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stefan Jensen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Hi,
:
: which is the best way to backup a [running] system on a big hd (8GB, with
: 1GB used)
: to a smaller hd (2GB) to use it in a other system ?
:
: dd will not work, of course.
: cp will fail with core dump, dont know why.
:
: any idea ?
:
: Bye,
: Stefan
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: --
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:26:31 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > The cost of M$ software is incredibly reasonable. It's running about $90
> > every 3 years for an OS upgrade. That's $30 per year. Most companies
budget
> > more for office supplies and copies per employee per year.
>
> Nope. That's $30 per year, PER machine. A company with 50 machines would
> have to pay $1500 (using YOUR costing, which is WILDLY inaccurate).
Have you looked at the cost of upgrading MacOS? it runs about $80 per
*YEAR* per machine.
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From: "Martin Baumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lost+found
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:18:42 +0200
Hello all !
I have got one (maybe) stupid question: I put a new harddrive into my
linux-box and after mounting it the first time, the directory "lost+found"
is beeing created. If i delete it, on the next boot the kernel complains
that it is missing and builds it once again. Can anyone tell me why this
would make sense or for what purpose linux needs this dir ??
Thanks in advance,
Martin
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:26:04 +1000
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:1L9I4.1285$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I can't think of a single innovation to come out of Microsoft. Not
> > one. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to Microsoft's most important
> > innovation?
>
> Mass market operating systems?
>
> Certainly the integrated web browser.
A cheap OS not tied to a particular hardware seller's machine ?
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:28:26 -0500
fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Have you actually _seen_ the price of Windows 2000, Microsoft's
> new "office" operating system????
It's the same price as NT has always been, except that now there is an
upgrade price for Windows 9x.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pjtg0707)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:25:10 GMT
On 09 Apr 2000 20:52:21 EDT, Dances With Crows
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>You've never worked in a big NT installation, have you? My current job
>involves working with 3 or 4 other people keeping approx. 130 NT
>workstations running and doing (ack) tech support for students/professors/
>random people who call our phone number. All the machines are reloaded
>from scratch every month, sometimes more often to keep up with the latest
>crap^Wsoftware that the profs insist their students use.
When I was a student at UIUC, we had a similar arrangement where PCs, Macs,
VAX, Sun, RS6000, RSX11, RT11 and god knows what else had to share resources
over DEC's bitnet and ip based lan.
The macs and PCs eneded up crashing
all the time, and the undergrads hired to be the sys admins were constantly
cussing because of never ending reinstalls. One of the undergrad sys admins,
by the way, was Marc Andresson, who was one of the perople who developed
Mosaic at NCSA, and later started Netscape with Jim Clark.
It turned out the reason the
PCs and macs were always crashing was because people who were using
the machines were constantly altering the system configurations to do
what they wanted to do and installing/deinstalling their softwares. Under
conditions like that, it's no wonder macs and pcs, whose file systems that
do not have sophisticated access controls, were always crashing.
I hardly think it's the fault of the OS to fail under conditions like
that.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:30:53 -0500
Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > The cost of M$ software is incredibly reasonable. It's running about $90
> > every 3 years for an OS upgrade. That's $30 per year. Most companies
budget
> > more for office supplies and copies per employee per year.
>
> Except that becasue of economies of scale, it SHOULD be MUCH cheaper.
If Microsoft were selling it's OS for $10 a piece, would you be happy?
No, then you'd be yelling that Microsoft was unfairly "dumping" it's OS at
below market value to drive any potential competitors from entering the
market.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:32:50 -0500
Charles R. Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Then, of course, they get charged with dumping.....
>
> Nothing would prevent them from giving away their OS provided they
> didn't require a contract prohibiting inclusion of non-MS applications.
> The problem wasn't that they gave away IE, but that they make getting
> good prices for the OS contingent on including IE and excluding
> Netscape.
Microsoft never excluded netscape. Not even from being installed on the
desktop.
They required that the IE icon not be removed. Those are two different
things.
> MS could make a case that other OS vendors (Linux, FreeBSD)
> give away their product, and that the per-unit-cost of Win2000 is so
> near zero that the difference doesn't matter. If I thought there was a
> snowballs chance in hades of MS adopting such a strategy, I would
> mortgage the farm and buy more MS stock. But Gates is too much of a
> control freak to do that.
I doubt the government would see it the same way as you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pjtg0707)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:37:58 GMT
On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:32:50 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Charles R. Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
==============================snipped=======================
>
>Microsoft never excluded netscape. Not even from being installed on the
>desktop.
>
>They required that the IE icon not be removed. Those are two different
>things.
>
This is true. I have Netscape and IE happily coexisting on my Win98 machine.
I even have Real Player and Microsoft Media Player happyily coexisting
on the same desktop.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why won't a vfat partition mount read-write
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:31:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian) wrote:
> On 9 Apr 2000 07:46:18 GMT, Chetan Ahuja wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am trying to share some stuff on a windows 95 partition (FAT16)
> > with my linux applications (notably netscape bookmarks). The
> > problem is, I simply can't mount my vfat partition in read-write
> > mode. I think I have tried everything. The device node
(/dev/hda2)
> > has read-write permissions for everybody ( Although I don't think
> > it should matter), I tried mounting from the fstab file with the
> > rw option, I tried mounting from the command line with the -o rw
> > option... etc etc. I am baffled. Anybody has any suggestions..
> >
> > By the way, it's a mndrake 7.0 distro. kernel 2.2.14, mount
> > version 2.9z. Any hints clues etc will be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Chetan
Stupid question but do you have vfat or msdos support enabled in the
kernel? You may need to recompile it with support. Furthermore, I used
Mandrake for about a week (I actually still have it on one of my
partitions) and I found Red Hat and Slackware to be much better.
>
> Can you _mount_ it only as read-only, or does it give you an error
message
> when you try to mount it read-write? Or can you mount it as read-write
(without
> error message) and just not write to the device?
> If it's the latter, I'd suggest you check the directory permissions
for your
> mountpoint.
>
> Bastian
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Kevin Vandersloot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mouse focus question
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:54:50 GMT
In article <8coheq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Edward L. Hepler) wrote:
>
> I am running RedHat 6.2... Under Gnome, using the Enlightenment window
> manager...
>
> Is there a way to change the focus, such that the window the mouse is in
> has the focus (versus having to click the mouse)?
Should be. Middle click / settings / focus / focus follws pointer
>
> or alternatively
>
> Is there a way using the Sawmill window manager, to adjust window width?
> I can only seem to stretch windows vertically using this window
> manager...
> (But focus can be changed to allow the active window to follow the
> mouse)...
Middle click / cusomize / move,resize / advanced. Try the different values for
the section labeled
'The method of choosing which window edges are moved...'
I prefer 'region'.
Sawmill is probably a better window manager to go with GNOME.
>
> Thanks...
>
> Ed Hepler
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:57:56 GMT
David Steuber wrote:
>
> I can't think of a single innovation to come out of Microsoft. Not
> one. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to Microsoft's most important
> innovation?
>
Clippie the dancing paper clip, and....
.
.
.
...and I can't think of anything else.
--
<\___/>
/ O O \
\_____/ FTB.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Kernel compile bzImage error 2
Date: 09 Apr 2000 22:05:16 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:00:20 +0000, mh
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I have made several attempts to compile a new kernel (2.2.14), but
>make[1]: as86: command not found
>I'm running RH 6.0 and have all necessary libraries, etc. installed, as
>far as I can tell. I performed a compile of the 2.2.14 kernel on
Install the "dev86" RPM, which includes as86. as86 is usually used for
one purpose and one purpose only: to build the boot sector and the
real-mode code that runs at boot time and loads the real kernel into
memory, where it takes over and does Stuff.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| Programmers are playwrights
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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From: Mike Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:05:40 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > ' Where do you see the real innovation happening in this business? What
> > ' companies? What specific technologies?
> > Take off your blinders:
> > C: AT&T
> Actually, C was invented by Brian Kerningham and Dennis Ritchie. They
> weren't working at AT&T when they invented it.
Only if you're playing semantic games. K&R were at Bell Labs.
>
> > C++: ibid
> Yes.
> > Unix: ibid
> No, it was invented by the aforementioned people as a scaled down Multics.
Do you mean no, it wasn't an innovation, or no, it wasn't At&T? Either way,
you're laughably wrong.
>
> > TCP/IP: ?
> DOD Arpanet research.
DoD *funded*. Invented, mostly, at BBN.
> > Sockets: University Of Southern California, Berkley.
> Yes.
> > Ethernet: Xerox PARC
> I thought it was developed by DEC.
Actually, it was Dec, Intel, and Xerox working together.
> > GUI: Staford research institute, then Xerox PARC
> There were GUI's even before that. Just not what we see today.
Not worth the name. Check the patents.
> > Java: Sun
> Java has fewer innovations than anything else. For instance, the JVM was
> really just a take on the SmallTalk VM. The only thing innovative was their
> useage of existing technologies, something which Microsoft does all the
> time.
Not having pointers? RMI? Boy, you've really drunk the Kool-Aid.
> > WWW: Tim Berners-Lee/CERN
> Though it's really based on Gopher, invented at the University of Minnesota.
Sort of the same way you're "based on" your parents, I guess.
> > Browsers: Spyglass/Mozaic
> NCSA created Mosaic.
Definitely give credit to NCSA for this one.
> > Audio/video streaming: Progressive Networks / Real Networks
> No, these existed for a long time before that. Real just figured out a way
> to compress the data to go over normal phone lines.
Really? Got an example? I didn't think so.
> > True Type: Apple
> In conjunction with Microsoft.
Well, no. Microsoft was an early adopter of the technology.
> > PostScript: Adobe
> PostScript is just another page layout language.
When you look at it that way, virtually *nothing* is innovative. The atom bomb
was just another firecracker. I hate the way Microsoft and their minions try to
drag everyone else down to their level.
> > Integrated Development Environment: Borland
> Mainframes were doing for years before them.
Again, examples? I spent a good bit of time working on mainframes, and the
closest thing I ever saw to an IDE was ISPF. Calling that an IDE is like saying
that a penguin is basically a headwaiter if you squint hard enough and tip
heavily.
> > Spread Sheet: Dan Bricklen
> Yes.
> > Word Processor: WordStar?
> Newspapers were using things similar to word procesors for years before
> then.
The real break was between "text processors" like ROFF, troff, TeX, and SCRIPT
(mainframe) and "word processors" that were more or less "WYSIWYG". Newspapers
had *text processors*, but not really word processors. Still, I'm not sure that
some of the work at PARC didn't predate WordStar.
> > TeX: Donald E Knuth
> Another page layout language.
Your ignorance is embarrassing, or at least should be.
> > I can't think of a single innovation to come out of Microsoft. Not
> > one. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to Microsoft's most important
> > innovation?
> Mass market operating systems?
Perhaps if you ignore CP/M, among others.
> Certainly the integrated web browser.
Gee, here and I thought a big part of their antitrust defense was that the
browser *wasn't* integrated.
And let me say that I'm rather underwhelmed by the length of that list.
--
Mike Jones
Of all the Thompson gunners, Roland was the best....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: lost+found
Date: 09 Apr 2000 22:09:01 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:18:42 +0200, Martin Baumann
<<8cra6v$25v7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I have got one (maybe) stupid question: I put a new harddrive into my
>linux-box and after mounting it the first time, the directory "lost+found"
>is beeing created. If i delete it, on the next boot the kernel complains
>that it is missing and builds it once again. Can anyone tell me why this
>would make sense or for what purpose linux needs this dir ??
When Bad Things happen to the filesystem, files and/or inodes can become
detached from the main directory structure. When e2fsck runs, it connects
detached files/inodes under lost+found. This is a safety feature. I
don't think the kernel is doing the rebuilding, though... probably e2fsck
is the program doing this. You *really* don't want to disable e2fsck
running at boot time.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| Programmers are playwrights
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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