Linux-Misc Digest #232, Volume #24 Sat, 22 Apr 00 11:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE
SIG **)
Re: Monitor going blank - power settings? (Robie Basak)
Re: forced umount not supported yet?? (Robie Basak)
Re: Compilation troubles due to system or hardware (Robie Basak)
Re: KDE and GONE (Robie Basak)
Kernel Compile problem ("Yanie")
Re: ATI Rage 128 and RH6.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Check whether an application is running (Penpal International)
Re: Bell Sympatico HSE (Robert J Carter)
Re: Compilation troubles due to system or hardware (Grant Edwards)
Which modem is good for LINUX ("fdf")
Re: Carp! (Axel)
Re: Update Agent fails because of Netscape (Richard A. Wells (really raw at raw.com))
Phat Linux installation (Mike Mitchell)
Re: filesystem error (Alexis Bilodeau)
Re: Knews (Michael Kelly)
Re: filenames with spaces and wildcards (Michael Kelly)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **)
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:25:51 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin:
[Snip...]
|> Bob gets a lot more crap than it deserves.
So does Free Software Foundation, but that doesn't mean a "good' idea withers
on the vine. The difference is whether the good involves matters of principle
or the mere lining of commercial pockets. Bob wasn't created to make consumer
life simpler; if that were so, it would have been fixed, like Gnome and other
"products" that had a similar rocky start. Bob, like Powerstation Fortran, is
an example of having your passengers walk the plank after promising them some
fabulous exotic tour. With the Evil Empire, it's a pattern, not the exception
to the rule, and millions of people around the world are fed up with it.
For the record, if it's not absolutely clear, I'm one of them.
[Snip...]
|> I believe that intelligent information management by digital
|> assistants will become popular and useful. Bob was just too early and
|> not quite right.
Folks have been saying this since the dawn of computing, but progress in this
has been spotty at best. In part, the resources reuired at each "advance" are
beyond most consumers, so the "impact" is limited and tardy, if ever. Another
commomly overlooked issue is user customizations at the expense of efficiency
and reliability. Most humans like to customize tools and resent being told by
a tool how a goal is to be reached; this is the "intelligent" part. There are
other flies in this rosy ointment, but I'll not bore the world with them. The
fact remains that the Evil Empire is charging 60 bucks for the "right" to get
your hands on a copy of Win2K commercial beta 3 and find *their* bugs. You'll
get Alan Cox or Linus about Linux bugs instead via almost zero-cost email.
So, WRT to MS: Does this sound like "innovation" or "racketeering" to you?
[Snip...]
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Regards, Weird (Harold Stevens) * IMPORTANT EMAIL INFO FOLLOWS *
Pardon the bogus email domain (dseg etc.) in place for spambots.
Really it's (wyrd) at raytheon, dotted with com. DO NOT SPAM IT.
Standard Disclaimer: These are my opinions not Raytheon Company.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: Monitor going blank - power settings?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 22 Apr 2000 11:26:42 GMT
On 22 Apr 2000 08:35:32 GMT, David Efflandt said:
>On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:47:06 GMT, John Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Hi all
>>
>>my redhat 6.1 system came set up to power down the monitor at a regular
>>interval. It goes black and you have to move the mouse to get the display
>>up again. Does anyone know where this configuration is stored?
>
>[snip]
>
>Power saving is X is separate (something in XF86Config I think).
In X, the command xset is used; eg to switch off:
xset dpms 0 0 0
This will most likely be in a file in /etc/X11/xdm/.
Robie.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: forced umount not supported yet??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 22 Apr 2000 11:29:31 GMT
On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:52:49 +0800, Calvin said:
>Yes, i have mounted a ext2 partition to /boot and a vfat partition to
>/win98.
>Is there any way that i can check which process isn't terminated??
Place the command:
/sbin/sulogin
in the shutdown script; in Redhat 5.2 it is /etc/rc.d/init.d/halt IIRC.
This should appear just after all filesystems are unmounted (except for
/, which is remounted read-only).
Then do:
cat /proc/mounts
to see which are remaining.
Press Ctrl-D to continue shutdown.
Robie.
>
>Best regards
>Calvin
>
>Reid Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Redhat 5.2 isn't all that great. You will have alot less problems by
>> upgrading to 6.2
>>
>> It seems you have programs that are not getting terminated and that are
>> still keeping your drives mounted. umount still as of today does not
>support
>> force unmounting. It's best if you manually attempt to unmount your drives
>> before rebooting. I'm guessing you're mounted drives other then your root
>> / ) drive.
>>
>>
>> Calvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:8dq3ek$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Hi,
>> > I am using redhat 5.2. After i updated a few rpm packages, the
>> following
>> > error messages is shown everytime i shutdown my linux box.
>> >
>> > Turning off swap [ok]
>> > Turning off quotas [ok]
>> > Unmounting file system umount: forced umount not supported yet [fail]
>> > Unmounting file system umount: forced umount not supported yet [fail]
>> > Unmounting file system umount: forced umount not supported yet [fail]
>> >
>> > The rpm packages i updated are as following:
>> > initscripts-5.09-1
>> > e2fsprogs-1.18-5
>> > console-tools-19990829-10
>> > procps-2.0.6-5
>> > modutils-2.3.9-6
>> > sysklogd-1.3.31-16
>> > setup-2.1.8-1
>> > timeconfig-3.0.3-2
>> > vixie-cron-3.0.1-40
>> >
>> > I think the problem comes from the initscripts package. Do anyone
>know
>> > how to solve it?? My kernel is 2.2.9
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> > Calvin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: Compilation troubles due to system or hardware
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 22 Apr 2000 11:38:56 GMT
On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 06:32:41 +0200, Fabrice P. Laussy said:
>Hi,
>
>I've got big problems with compilation. I can compile simple and
>little C source, but I often encounter segmentation-fault when I
>attempt to compile huge source.
>
>I'm not too sure wether this is due to gcc or what, but installation
>will fail for 9 programs out of 10 I try to compile. Recently for
>instance, I've been unable to install the Perl Tk module (doing the
>usual perl -MCPAN -e shell then install Tk). There'll be segmentation
>fault, the machine will hang, cc will receave a kill signal, a kernel
>panic will occur, or other problems like that. I've been unable to
>install bash or emacs (from their sources, binaries goes okay) for the
>
>same reasons. I've reinstalled gcc, changes nothing.
>
>When I reboot the system brutally (for the machine is frozen), the
>file system is messep up of course, but may be the disk is damaged and
>
>a library or a code is corruped (running short of money, I'm using a
>five years old machine).
>
>When the installation problem will occur, nothing will work
>thereafter, for instance a `ls' will either cause a seg-fault or hang
>the terminal. I can't even reboot, the machine hangs.
>
>If I can compile something, that's okay, but when a problem arises
>once, it will be impossible to go through for this programm intended
>to be installed, the fatal error occuring at different places in the
>process of compilation (say, at the very start, or near the end for
>another try).
>
>I don't know what the error can be, but it isn't one due to my lack of
>
>knowledge on how to install a program... there's obviously something
>rotten with the system or the hadware. I'd like to have a system or
>low level guru's point of view.
I reckon that some part of your filesystem has become corrupted; when
fsck repairs after a crash, have you ever seen anything actually
being fixed?
If various programs do it, it is most likely to be your kernel image
or part of glibc.
Do an fsck manually first.
You didn't say which distribution you were using; if Redhat then I
know you can verify the integrity of installed files using the rpm
command; do:
for i in `rpm -qa`; do rpm -V $i;done
This will give you a list of files you should check; if anything
in /boot or /lib or /usr/lib is present (or anything related to gcc),
then this could be your problem.
(man rpm will give you an explanation of the output).
For other distributions, tell us what you have and someone who
knows it will tell you, I'm sure.
Robie.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: KDE and GONE
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 22 Apr 2000 11:46:07 GMT
On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:46:32 GMT, Christopher Browne said:
>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when billy would say:
>>hi:
>> Can anybody tell me which one of these two better? KDE or GONE desktop?
>>Why?
>
>People seem to prefer the KDE file manager to anything equivalent
>presently available for GNOME. Klyx is more functional than AbiWord,
I prefer gmc to kfm.
>the GNOME "word processor." And there's certainly a lot of "hype"
>about KOffice.
I've tried it out; the skeleton's there, but it isn't really very
fleshed out yet.
>On the other hand, Gnumeric is vastly more functional than anything
>documented about Kspread, and KDE has no equivalent to DIA.
>
>- If you look at the "hype" on _both_ sides, whether at the rosy picture
> of KOffice, or of GNOME's "Nautilus" and "Evolution," you can conclude
> whatever you like.
>
>- If you believe one side's hype, and not the other's, you will obviously
> conclude the superiority of the "hyped" system.
>
>- If you disbelieve in _both_ sets of hype, you can conclude whatever you
> like.
>
>Net conclusion: No unambiguous answer.
The thing is, though, it doesn't really matter. Both can run side by
side, you just have to decide whether you like KPanel or the GNOME one.
I use KDE, but the GNOME file manager (and gnumeric).
Robie.
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From: "Yanie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel Compile problem
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:39:29 +0800
Reply-To: "Yanie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I've done kernel compiling before and it worked. I used RedHat Linux 5.2,
upgraded it's kernel (i'm sorry I can't recall exactly the kernel version).
I was experimenting 'unstable' kernel version.
Now, back to present day. few days back I tried re-compiling the kernel for
Zoot (RH 6.2). Done compiling, I ran linuxconf so that lilo would
selectively boot to the new kernel. There is an option that says root disk
(i think). I tried putting the root disk used by the existing kernel, only
linuxconf refused to accept that.
So, I altered /etc/lilo.conf manually, ran lilo -C, lilo accepted my new
lilo.conf. When I boot, I came to a point that a message saying "Kernel
panic : Can't mount .....". I don't remember the rest of the message. As I
said, it was done few days back, the machine is not mine.
Thanks ...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.list,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ATI Rage 128 and RH6.2
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:20:54 -0400
I've got ATI RAGE 128 / XFree86 problems here on SuSE 6.3. I don't care,
though, my Matrox is in the mail. ;-)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/22/2000
at 05:13 AM, George Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>On 4/14/00, 7:54:12 AM, "Amadeu K. Sum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>regarding ATI Rage 128 and RH6.2:
>> Has anyone experienced problems in setting up RH6.2 with a
>> ATI Rage 128 video card? Actually, there seems to be a
>> problem with XFree86, which although v3.3.6 says to support
>> this card, it does not recognize the card, or even when the
>> parameters are entered manually. Any help is greatly
>> appreciated. Thanks.
>> Amadeu
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Amadeu:
>I'm pretty new to Linux, but bought RH6.2 and had the same problems with
>an installation on my computer. I called their installation help desk
>(several times) and was told to try several different "fixes." One
>engineer told me that I could download the latest version of Xfree86 -
>but RH would no longer support my installation since they do not support
>Xfree68 4.0.
>After playing with RH for several weeks, I finally decided to buy SuSE
>online and loaded it. It was the easiest installation I've ever had (I
>own Caldera, RH, and Turbo). It detected my video card (ATI
>All-In-Wonder which is the Rage 128 chipset) and set up X-windows
>properly.
>The advice may suck, but it may be easiest if you'll just buy SuSE!
>--George
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http://www.datasync.com/~bielling
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Matt. 6:33; John 3:16; Rom. 8:1
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From: Penpal International <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Check whether an application is running
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:29:19 +0200
How can I check whether an application is running and if no, how to
start it.
I want to use this is the crontab because some application regular stop
working...
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Penpal International
http://ppi.searchy.net/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert J Carter)
Subject: Re: Bell Sympatico HSE
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:33:06 GMT
In article <uL3M4.1347$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matt Friedman <"mwf"@total.net(remove-to-reply)> writes:
> Robert J Carter wrote:
>
>> You're right - I do have the grandfathered connection - except that I
>> get 2.5 mbps. And it's beginning to sound like it's something I'm
>> gonna want to hold on to :-)
>
> Oh yeah... All you have to do is never move. :-)
>
Believe it or not, that's one of the reasons I've been here as long as
I have :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Compilation troubles due to system or hardware
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:36:07 GMT
On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 06:32:41 +0200, Fabrice P. Laussy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've got big problems with compilation. I can compile simple and
>little C source, but I often encounter segmentation-fault when I
>attempt to compile huge source.
If it occurs randomly (not at the same point every time, or
sometimes a file will compile and sometimes it won't), then
it's almost certainly a hardware problem: flakey RAM, cache,
overheated CPU, etc. There a sig11 FAQ at www.linuxdoc.org:
http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/faqs/GCC-SIG11-FAQ
[...]
>If I can compile something, that's okay, but when a problem
>arises once, it will be impossible to go through for this
>programm intended to be installed, the fatal error occuring at
>different places in the process of compilation (say, at the
>very start, or near the end for another try).
Definitely hardware. When it happend to me it was cache. Take
a look at the sig11 faq file.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Finally, Zippy
at drives his 1958 RAMBLER
visi.com METROPOLITAN into the
faculty dining room.
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From: "fdf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Which modem is good for LINUX
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:10:44 +0800
I want to buy a new modem run on LINUX
which one is support LINUX???
Pls advise!!!!
Thanks.
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From: Axel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.non.sequitur,alt.how,alt.conspiracy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Carp!
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:18:28 -0700
David Castrodale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enjoys the great taste of beef:
>
>
>hoKEy wOLf wrote:
>>
>> In article <MPG.136a85f359845955989690@news>, Maynard
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > then The Queen of Cans and Jars said:
>> > > Nealworm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:49:39 GMT, David Castrodale
>> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > > spake thusly:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Maynard wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> then Axel, the Half-naked College Student said:
>> > > > >> > the portable jim carleton
>> > > > >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > > >> > enjoys the great taste of beef:
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > >This, from Axel, the Half-naked College Student:
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >>the portable jim carleton
>> > > > >> > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > > >> > >>enjoys the great taste of beef:
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >>>alt.home.repair is alive and doing well! oh well, i guess i
>> > > > >> > >>>hace to
>> > > > >> > >>>cnacel its adotpion.
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >>You cannot undo what has been done.
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >ok, i guess i'll hace to persent mieself to tehm as theyre god.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Shouldn't be too difficult to convince them.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> just brandish your grout trowel a lot.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >write them a "novel"
>> > > >
>> > > > a bowl of cherries in hell
>> > >
>> > > give me some water, the only thing that i want
>> >
>> > it's not just for dousing fires anymore
>>
>> bill gates can fire anyone he wants, thanks
>
>DAER MICRSOTF: HI I JSUT BUOGHT TEH WINDOWS 89 ADN I DNOT NKOW BUT I
>TIHNK TAHT IT ISS BROKEDED BECAUES WHEN I PUHS S BUOTTN OAN TEH CMPUTRE
>IT JSUT BEEEPS ADN MAEKS SORTT OF LIEK A HUMMUNG NOIES ADN TEHN A LIHGT
>COEMS ON ADN EVRYTHNIG GETS REALYL HOTT, BUT MYABE ITS BECAUES I TIHNK
>TAH T MAYBE MY COMPUTRE IS JSUT A MICROWAEV, I DNOT KNWO CAN YUO HLEP
>ME?????/??
Dear valued Microsoft Peon^H^H^H^HCustomer,
Thank you for "choosing" Microsoft Windows 98. We ask that you direct
all technical questions to your computer system vendor. Microsoft is
not responsible for any of the features of the OS that you
unexpectedly may encounter.
We appreciate your mone^H^H^H^Hbusiness.
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From: Richard A. Wells (really raw at raw.com) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Update Agent fails because of Netscape
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:15:20 GMT
I'm seeing exactly the same problem with RH 6.2 Pro.
Cheers,
Richard
(really raw at raw.com)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Mike Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Phat Linux installation
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:30:10 GMT
I am trying to install the Phat Linux. After executing linux.bat from
dos(safe mode), the program begins but stops after reaching
-process swapper
-stack
-Call trace
-Code 89 45 00 8b bd 00 83 6c 24 10 01 73 bc c7 45 00 00 00 00 00
Somebody please nuge me in the right direction!
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Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: Alexis Bilodeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: filesystem error
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:42:02 GMT
Alexis Bilodeau wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> When I try to install a new RPM (which, actually, is lpr (mdk)), it
> tells me that it needs 4 kb on the var filesystem. I installed this
> package before and it worked fine. Then I got an error when printing
> from a joeuser telling me that it can't write the temporary file when
> printing (related to the var problem?). So I decided to remove the
> packages and reinstall them, but now I get this error.
> I tried to copy a 1mb file on /var/ and it worked fine...
> What's the matter?
> How can I diagnoze this filesystem?
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Alexis Bilodeau
> eMagiK Technologies
> 819.371.9273
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you guys,
My /var filesystem was effectively full... There was some extraordinary
log files in my log directory...
--
Alexis Bilodeau
eMagiK Technologies
819.371.9273
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Kelly)
Subject: Re: Knews
Date: 22 Apr 2000 14:50:12 GMT
In article <Cq7M4.8413$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) writes:
> [Posted and mailed]
>
[snip]
>>
>> Once I run it the first time to get the active and description files
>> then I always start it with a one-line script so I don't do it again.
>> I use
>> knews -active -descriptions +fill &
>
> You can actually set these sorts of options in the configuration file.
> It's in the ~/.knews directory, and is called config-{newserver}, where
> {newserver} is the name of your news server. You can also set the editor
> you use for replies, whether or not it checks for new newsgroups, etc.
>
Thanks for the info. Always good to know more than one way to accomplish
a task. I guess I got in the habit of using the script due to the news
config being recreated every time I recompiled and reran knews, so
I remembered that way of doing it after being away from Linux for a year
or so.
Too bad there weren't "standards" for config options. I know every time
I install another copy of Agent in Windows it takes me about 10 minutes
of ripping my hair out before I remember that if I want the extra buttons
so accelerator keys can be used to post from the composition window, I have
to go into the agent.ini file and set "buttons=1"!! Arrgghh! :) I'm okay
if I remember to set it right at the install, but if I wait until I'm posting
with it I tend to forget and if it's in the online help it's sure not easy
to find. Anyway... :)
--
Mike
--
"I don't want to belong to any club that would have *me* as a member!"
-- Groucho Marx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Kelly)
Subject: Re: filenames with spaces and wildcards
Date: 22 Apr 2000 14:59:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (test) writes:
> Filenames with spaces and wildcards (and maybe quotes, but I haven't thought
> about that) seem to cause the shell much trouble. I think that a filename
> with these special characters should automatically have quotes put around it.
I think the better solution would be to have spaces as illegal chars
in filenames. I'd conjecture that in Windows allowing spaces in filenames
accounts for a significant percentage of support problems. Not just due to
customer ignorance either. I suspect during code testing putting some spaces
in a file or folder name and testing is likely one of the steps that is forgotten,
so half the stuff that's broken is simply due to the insistence on installing apps
into a folder named "Program Files"!! :)
It's just lame when an underscore or hyphen would accomplish the desired effect
without requiring quoting.
AFA the shell and special chars, it may seem like a pain at first but
if you appreciate the "globbing" the shells do in Linux that eliminate
half the work Dos/Windows programmers have to do when accessing files
on disk from applications then it may balance out. Everything is a
trade-off.
--
Mike
--
"I don't want to belong to any club that would have *me* as a member!"
-- Groucho Marx
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