Linux-Misc Digest #285, Volume #24 Wed, 26 Apr 00 19:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: time setting itself? (Doug O'Leary)
Re: Managing memory allocated to processes ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: query about LINUX ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Connecting/Mounting NT from Linux ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Maximum number of partitions per disk drive. ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: help with install ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
lilo and sda/hda (peter pilsl)
Re: LILO and 1024-Cilinder limit ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Question about setting an X-only login using xdm/gdm in Slackware... ("Peter T.
Breuer")
Re: Adding memory option to lilo.conf ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: filenames with spaces and wildcards ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: I think I have been HACKED!!! (brian moore)
Re: lilo and sda/hda (brian moore)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Se�n � Donnchadha)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Ermine Todd")
Re: Linux / Windows 95 modems ("David ..")
Re: anonymous ftp problem (Christopher Fonnesbeck)
Script Telnet Sessions (Peter Alliett)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Ermine Todd")
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From: Doug O'Leary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: time setting itself?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:11:45 -0700
> cat /etc/sysconfig/clock
>
> ZONE="country/timezone" # like "US/Central" including quotes
> UTC=true
> ARC=false
>
It looks like you had the right answer. My clock file didn't have some
of the information and other entries were invalid. I corrected them,
reset the clock, and I seem to have a stable time system now...
Thanks for the help.
Doug
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Managing memory allocated to processes
Date: 26 Apr 2000 03:44:28 GMT
Avdi Grimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Recently I've had a problem with my linux machine where the disk starts
: thrashing and it rapidly degenerates into an unresponsive state where
: the disk is constantly accessing. If I catch it quick enough, I can
: reboot with ctl-alt-del; otherwise it's the reset button. The symptoms
: seem to point to a memory leak on a massive scale, where a process is
: rapidly filling all available real and virtual memory. It seems to be
: associated with running StarOffice, but I could be wrong.
You could be right. I've had so51 take up to 500MB of ram.
: I have two questions:
: 1. How can I find out which process is causing this, keeping in mind
: that once the problem has started it's just a few minutes or seconds
: until complete system unusability.
Depends. If you are running a kernel with the magic sysreq enabled,
pressing the right key will dump you a listing. (ctl) Alt shift scrllock
should also have some effect!
Otherwise, try ps auxm, or whatever are the args to your ps version.
: 2. How can I prevent this from happening? Is there a way to limit the
: resources any single process is allowed to use?
Man bash, grep ulimit.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: query about LINUX
Date: 25 Apr 2000 21:54:15 GMT
brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On 21 Apr 2000 13:02:20 GMT,
: Koos Pol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> On 21 Apr 2000 08:26:41 -0500, Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> | In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Koos Pol wrote:
:> | > and SuSE for not so technically skilled ones.
:> | > What is a fact is that SuSE comes with the largest distribution.
:> | Larger than Debian?
:>
:> SuSe comes on 6 (six!) cdrom's. You don't want to download that :-)
: Potato is 4 CD's for just the binaries. The full set with source is 8
: CD's. Slink is 3 for binaries, 3 for source, or same size as SuSE.
That's about right. I'm holding 2GB in the potato binary mirror, and
1.something on the slink mirror. Some of potato consists of links into
slink, so it's even bigger than 2GB.
I haven't measured the source size.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Connecting/Mounting NT from Linux
Date: 26 Apr 2000 09:20:07 GMT
Shaun McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Would anyone be able to point me to the correct HOWTO, FAQ or /usr/doc
: to mount a NT share one a Linux box?
man smbmount (or man smbclient).
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Maximum number of partitions per disk drive.
Date: 26 Apr 2000 11:39:59 GMT
Thaddeus L. Olczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: . Here is something I learned about linux that might save other people
: time.
: If you install Mandrake 7.02 on a drive with more then 12 partitions
: plus one extended partition ( I don't know whether or not to count
: it as a partition ), it will fail to mount that disk. If that is the
: boot disk, it will fail to boot.
: RedHat 6.2 will not install on a prepartitioned disk with 13
: partitions plus one extended.
Well known bug in RH. As far as I recall, it doesn't even make
device nodes for partitions beyond the ninth (disclaimer, RH
may or may not have fixed this bug, and may or may not have
installed new bugs ...). Maybe mandrake inherited it.
: I guess the kernel has a fixed size for loading the partition table
: and too many partitions causes the buffer to overflow.
You guess wrong. I have 15 partitions on many disks, and boot
quite happily from them (4 primary including the extended, and 11
logical, hdX5-hdX15).
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help with install
Date: 26 Apr 2000 11:36:06 GMT
Joe M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: just recieved my 3 cd's of linux today (slackware, mandrake and suse)
: and am trying slackware first. However ive come across a few problems
: which have me stuck
: 1. lilo is screwed up, i have tried installing to supersomething,
Well, it works for millions of people. The correct conclusion would
be: my computer is screwed up.
: floppy disk and master boot record (which screwed the whole computer
: real good and i only just fixed it) anyway what i get is 010101010101 forever
That's a bios error. Lilo is reporting that the bios returned error 01
when it called the standard bios routine. Sounds like you have a wonky
bios, or at least one that's abnormal in some way. Give details on
your system, so that people can take a guess at what might be wrong
with it.
: no matter how i install it. From now on im trying it on disk before i
Just use loadlin instead:
loadlin.exe vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 ro
(for example).
: write it to the mbr (lesson learned!) I'm using two hard drives and have
Where are they? First controller? Second controller? What are they?
Are the controllers ide33 or ide66? Give details.
: linux installed on the second how do i go about installing lilo (ive
Eh? Lot's of bioses don't allow you to boot off the second controller.
Is that your problem?
: tried everything!). Is my lilo currupt?? where have i screwed up. I had
Everywhere. You're not giving any details, for one thing, which is the
chief error.
: ok and no 2. it won't find my cd rom, it is a matshita/panasonic
: CW7502 cd writer with a tekram dc-310 scsi adapter is this supported?
What do you mean "with"? If it's on a scsi bus, then off course
you need a driver for that controller in your kernel.
: my pc so i don't get 01010101010101 when i turn it on.
Don't do that then. Boot from a floppy. Or use loadlin.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Date: 26 Apr 2000 22:11:26 GMT
Ermine Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: You clearly don't know what the MSInstaller service is. First, all of the
: items mentioned in your dream sheet are fully supported.
I tried to research "MSInstaller", but quickly stopped at this
message from www.microsoft.com:
'Your search using "Exact Phrase" for "MSInstaller" returned 0
results.'
A variation didn't help either:
'Your search using "Exact Phrase" for "MS Installer" returned 0
results.'
Got a URL that might be more useful...then MS's own web site?
: Second, the message you describe is not one of the messages that the
: installer service uses.
It comes from using:
My Computer->Control Panel->Add/Remove Programs
If this "installer service" is accessed through some other method,
Windows clearly doesn't want me to know about it.
: Third, if you feel that you are lacking details, there's always the
: complete log file available (use /L*v <filename.log>).
The "/L*v" option is for what command? And which log file? A quick
find shows dozens of *.log files...not a single one named anything
like "uninstall.log". A few are named "install.log", which has
quite a bit of information, agreed, but hardly a database of any
real form. -Why does Add/Remove Programs not have some option to
access those lists, or any other user or admin tool for that matter?
Again...if viewing *.log to find this information is the method
Windows expects users to use, it sure doesn't try hard to let them
know that... Even a message saying, "View c:\foo\bar\whatever.log
for details" would be something...but Windows doesn't even offer
that much?
: Fourth, any file/package installed by the installer is inherently
: self-healing - delete any component and the installer is able to detect
: the condition and repair it - though you do have to ask it to do so; but
: then, it has a defined API that is callable from within applications so
: that applications can be self-healing. and on, and on. - you can read the
: specs yourself.
I'd love to read the specs....if I could find them.
Post a URL please, as MS's own web site returns nada and if MS's own
site search can't find anything at all, it isn't worth looking
elsewhere.
: It does work. You should give it a try.
Again, I'd love to...if I could even prove that it exists. Perhaps
it's under another name?
I'd also like to know the user commands/methods to access the
information (Windows version of pkg_info, admintool, and friends).
Or is all this fabulous information only available to the
application writer through the API and no user side tools exist, at
least as shipped with the OS?
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From The Blue Camel we learn:
BSD: A psychoactive drug, popular in the 80s, probably developed at UC
Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only
medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least,
more fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution".
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From: peter pilsl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lilo and sda/hda
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:12:29 GMT
I had only one scsi-drive /dev/sda and lilo was installed there and all
was fine. Later I added a ide-drive /dev/hda and did a kernelupgrade, so I
had to rewrite lilo (boot=/dev/sda in lilo.conf) and got the following
errormessage:
Warning: /dev/sda is not on the first disk
Added linux.2.2.14 *
Added linux
<skip>
Then I tried to reboot (boot from scsi of course) and when the lilo-boot-
loader should appear, I just saw a LI and the system hang and I never got
the LO. I tried to reinstall lilo (yes, I had a rescuedisk including the
needed scsi-module ;) but couldnt fix it. So I decided to write lilo on
the ide-drive (boot=/dev/hda) and I didnt get the above lilo-error and
booting with ide works fine now.
BUT: I just want to boot from the scsi-drive !! And I�m sure there is a
way, but I cant figure out, what I did wrong !!
thanks for any comment !
peter
--
pilsl@
goldfisch.at.at
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO and 1024-Cilinder limit
Date: 26 Apr 2000 12:40:38 GMT
Cobra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Can I get past this limit by installing LILO in the boot sector instead of
: the MBR? And after that installing a boot manager which then executes LILO?
No .. lilo still makes the call to load the kernel image. But why are
you worried? You can put the kernel image anywhere, including in a dos
partition. So there's no problem in keeping it (and the 3 or 4 boot
map files) below 1024 cylinders.
Try lilo 21.4 if you insist. Or use loadlin, or grub, or ...
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Question about setting an X-only login using xdm/gdm in Slackware...
Date: 26 Apr 2000 15:03:30 GMT
In comp.os.linux.help Scott Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I'm not entirely sure if these are the right newsgroups to be posting
: this question in, but I'm open to any suggestions (including better
: newsgroups to try)....
Oh, well, not completely off topic.
: My situation is this: my preferred distro is Slackware, and I currently
: use Slackware 7.0. However, I rarely (if ever) use the console... most
: times, the only two commands I use at a vterm are "startx" and
: "logout". I'd love to be able to set my system to have gdm running like
: RH 6.1 does (and no, I'm not switching to RH... don't like it), but I
But this is trivial. If you want to run in graphic login mode, change
the default init level in /etc/inittab.
: haven't the foggiest idea how to go about doing it, and trying to study
"Man init" would seem to be obvious. Please make sure that kdm or xdm
or gdm is installed You will find that slackwares rc.6 script makes a
nice selection between them!
: the init files of a RH 6.1 box hasn't told me anything. If anyone can
: help me in my quest, I would GREATLY appreciate it. :)
It's much much much simpler than you apparently think. X initlevel is
standard on slackware.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adding memory option to lilo.conf
Date: 26 Apr 2000 13:58:00 GMT
Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> I'm running 128MB of RAM yet according to free it shows only 64MB.
:> Normally I would go into /etc/lilo.conf and add the option mem=128m
:> only this will not take. I run the lilo command after I add it and it
:> claims it as a syntactic error. I'm typing it verbatim from Matt
That's because it is. You mean
append="mem=128M"
(if not 127M :-).
:> 2.2.12 kernel. I shouldn't even be having this problem yet I am. Is
:> there an alternative command or something I'm overlooking? Thanks in
He's overlooking his brainfault. These are very difficult to see ..
at least when using the faulty instrument to search for them :)
: I wish someone would explain why this appears to happen for some
It's well known why. Old bios that doesn't support new functions.
: systems. The 2.2.12 kernel should certainly recognize 128 MB.
: Is it some special characteristic of the BIOS/
Yes ... many things could conspire to create confusion. it's
impossible to tell the difference between a bios that returns 64M
because that's the maximum it can tell you about, and one that returns
64M because that's how much it has. Not all bioses react the same way
to the new calls either when they _don't_ support them, though that's
been largely straightened out. I.e. not all the bios behaviors are
known. The rest is in the detail of the algorithm used.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: filenames with spaces and wildcards
Date: 26 Apr 2000 22:20:37 GMT
Siemel Naran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:53:53 GMT, Christopher Browne
: FILES=first_file second_file "third file with spaces"
: vi $FILES
: But in the current shells, the first line is a syntax error.
It's
FILES="first_file second_file \"third file with spaces\""
eval vi $FILES
: And this does not work either:
: FILES='first_file second_file "third file with spaces"'
: Just now, I thought that bash2 array feature would do the trick.
: files=(one "second file")
: vi $files
: Unfortunately, it edits three files, not two!
: one
: "second
: file"
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: I think I have been HACKED!!!
Date: 26 Apr 2000 22:33:29 GMT
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:29:07 -0400,
William Gibson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Kerr Gibson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > After reading this series of articles, it got me thinking about my own
> > system. This system is unknown to anyone save my own little LAN, so I
> > did not expect any kind of outside attempts to login. But, when I did a
> > little check of /var/log/secure* files, I found the following entries:
>
> Aha, wait. Futher inspection of the message files in /var/log show that
> all of the access attempts were via FTP and were only alive for a few
> seconds at most. One of the attempts was made with the login name 'mp3'.
>
> I assume then, that some napster clients have been trying to pick off
> mp3 files from my /home/ftp directory. The funny thing is, I
> experimented with Gnapster a few months ago, but since discarded it.
> Since my IP address has changed due to the dhcp assignments I doubt if
> my address has been the same as a few months ago (I know it has changed
> serveral times).
It has nothing to do with gnapster or napster-like protocols, as they
don't use ftp.
> Is it that somebody else on the the cable ISP has been using Napster and
> now I have their address from random assignment? Does this occur in
> Napster? I don't seem to have any background process giving away my IP
> address to a Napster server.
No, but anyone who downloads from you or who you download from can see
your IP number (it's similar to 'dcc send' in irc: client to client).
Most likely you were being probed just like any system online all the time
gets. (It's a rare day when I don't have people fondling snmp ports,
trying to telnet to machines, trying to get my 'version.bind' entries,
etc.)
> Anyway, I definately plugged up the holes by putting All:All into
> hosts.deny. Is there anything else I should do. Anyone got a good online
> tutorial on setting up security for Linux. Thanks.
1st step: kill any daemons and programs you don't know.
Go through inetd.conf and comment out every line if you don't know what it
is or why you would run it. If you don't know what it is, you probably
don't need it running. Look in the the startup scripts to see what sort
of processes are being started up... again, remove them if you don't know
why they're there.
Then use ipchains to nail it all down past that point and not as critical
as killing all the junk, but that's more of a black art... see the
ipchains HOWTO.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: lilo and sda/hda
Date: 26 Apr 2000 22:42:58 GMT
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:12:29 GMT,
peter pilsl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I had only one scsi-drive /dev/sda and lilo was installed there and all
> was fine. Later I added a ide-drive /dev/hda and did a kernelupgrade, so I
> had to rewrite lilo (boot=/dev/sda in lilo.conf) and got the following
> errormessage:
>
> Warning: /dev/sda is not on the first disk
> Added linux.2.2.14 *
> Added linux
> <skip>
>
> Then I tried to reboot (boot from scsi of course) and when the lilo-boot-
> loader should appear, I just saw a LI and the system hang and I never got
> the LO. I tried to reinstall lilo (yes, I had a rescuedisk including the
> needed scsi-module ;) but couldnt fix it. So I decided to write lilo on
> the ide-drive (boot=/dev/hda) and I didnt get the above lilo-error and
> booting with ide works fine now.
Neato, I got streams of 10101010's when I did that.
> BUT: I just want to boot from the scsi-drive !! And I�m sure there is a
> way, but I cant figure out, what I did wrong !!
There is a trick.
>From my lilo.conf (on a setup similar to yours... ide drives are great for
mp3 repositories :)):
boot = /dev/sda
disk = /dev/sda
bios = 0x80
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: Se�n � Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:43:35 -0400
On 26 Apr 2000 22:11:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> [WINDOWS INSTALLER]
>
> Got a URL that might be more useful...then MS's own web site?
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/isapi/msdnlib2.idc?theURL=/library/psdk/msi/wiport_6gf9.htm
When you open this page, hit "show toc" (in small letters just above
"Platform SDK") to get the table of contents. There's a lot of
documentation there. Note that the Windows Installer is mostly a back
end rather than a user-level tool. It has a command-line UI, but is
really meant to be used as an engine for people like InstallShield to
write front ends for. Please let us know what you think!
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From: "Ermine Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:42:55 -0700
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
I assume a specification document with appropriate internal links to
examples and the SDK would suffice?
http://msdn.microsoft.com/isapi/msdnlib.idc?theURL=/library/specs/w2kcli_cha
pter2.htm or for a more friendly perspective, try
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/psdk/msi/wiport_6gf9.htm
Add/Remove programs as implemented in Win 9x and NT is not the installer
service btw. FWIW: you might have tried searching for "Installer Service"
...
--ET--
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux / Windows 95 modems
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:59:23 -0500
"David .." wrote:
> One of my systems uses a USrobotics 56K voice ISA internal
> The other system uses a 3com courier V.everything 56k x2 ISA internal
>
> Both work without any problems other than having to correct the IRQ
> setting for the USrobotics with a fresh install.
NOT Winmodems BTW.
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: Christopher Fonnesbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: anonymous ftp problem
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:02:21 -0700
No, that doesnt work. It says it requires a password, which of course
doesnt exist for anonymous. The e-mail address isnt sufficient.
Bob Hauck wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:33:23 -0700, Christopher Fonnesbeck
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I am trying to set up an anonymous ftp server on my Linux machine, using
> >wu-ftp. However, when users try and log in anonymously, they are asked
> >for a password, rather than their e-mail address.
>
> What happens if they just enter their email address? Here's what my
> wu-ftpd does:
>
> [hauck@lab hauck]$ ftp localhost
> Connected to localhost.
> 220 lab.codem.com FTP server (Version wu-2.4.2-academ[BETA-15](1) Wed Jan
> 7 01:03:55 MST 1998) ready.
> Name (localhost:hauck): anonymous
> 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
> Password:
>
> If I give an email address as my password it logs me in as anonymous.
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| Codem Systems, Inc.
> -| http://www.codem.com/
--
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Christopher J. Fonnesbeck
Doctoral Candidate
Georgia Co-operative Wildlife Unit
University of Georgia
Athens, GA 30602-2152
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
icq: 61788164
fax: (253) 399-3637
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Alliett)
Subject: Script Telnet Sessions
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:05:22 GMT
I am wondering if there is a way to script the following or if someone
has a better idea for automating this process.
Essentially I telnet into 5 LINUX boxes, RH 6.1 to check the disk
space on the drives.
I am wondering how I can automate the process into 1 script file to
telnet to the server specifing a username and password then issue the
command df -k and redirect it to a file then close the connection and
continue on to the next server and do the same thing and append the
results of df -k.
Thanks,
Peter Alliett
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 26 Apr 2000 23:05:05 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
| Ermine Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| >snip<
| : Second, trying to replace a system file on Win2k and ME is an
| : operation that won't succeed unless you have the package from MS
| : - you may think you've succeeded, but quietly in the background,
| : the OS repairs your mistake.
|
| Oh, great....silent magic "repairs"... Thanks, really... :-(
So some applications will only work after installing but before
you reboot again. Now the solution is to "reboot, then install
again". Sounds familiar.
Jam (address rot13 encoded)
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From: "Ermine Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:59:51 -0700
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
You've got it. There are tools in here though that will allow the end-user
to take before/after snapshots of the system and to repair damaged installs.
--ET--
"Se�n � Donnchadha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 26 Apr 2000 22:11:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > [WINDOWS INSTALLER]
> >
> > Got a URL that might be more useful...then MS's own web site?
> >
>
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/isapi/msdnlib2.idc?theURL=/library/psdk/msi/wiport
_6gf9.htm
>
> When you open this page, hit "show toc" (in small letters just above
> "Platform SDK") to get the table of contents. There's a lot of
> documentation there. Note that the Windows Installer is mostly a back
> end rather than a user-level tool. It has a command-line UI, but is
> really meant to be used as an engine for people like InstallShield to
> write front ends for. Please let us know what you think!
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