Linux-Misc Digest #475, Volume #24 Mon, 15 May 00 11:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Upgrade RH5.1 to 6.2 kernel complile problem (Rick Lim)
Run Linux from cd-rom without hard drive install??? ("Patrick Mc Govern")
Re: Need input on developing a unified configuration program for linux (David A.
Lethe)
Re: "can't locate module [x]" (Dances With Crows)
Re: Reinstallation too slow ("Bluesky")
Re: Run Linux from cd-rom without hard drive install??? (Simon Kristensen)
Interactive shutdown on console (Balint)
too many mounted file systems ("Mac")
network card in Compaq deskpro ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: bash upgrade ("Robert L.")
Re: where does filesize get set? (Nick Kew)
how to change the default Window Manager in RedHat6.2 (Stijn Decneut)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Matthias Warkus)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (ray jones)
Re: The core file keeps hanging around... (a s rosenberg)
Re: how to change the default Window Manager in RedHat6.2 (Dances With Crows)
Install "root" vs "user"? ("Frank J. Schmuck")
Re: StarOffice shutdown (GENE)
Re: delete user's mail (Bob Hauck)
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From: Rick Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Upgrade RH5.1 to 6.2 kernel complile problem
Date: 15 May 2000 12:12:55 GMT
After upgrading a system from RedHat 5.1 to 6.2 I
try to complile a new kernel and make and install
the modules by make modules_install, but they get
installed in /lib/modules/2.0.37 instead of
/lib/modules/2.2.14-5.0
Any ideas on how to fix this ????
TIA
--
The wealth of reality, cannot be seen from your locality.
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From: "Patrick Mc Govern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Run Linux from cd-rom without hard drive install???
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:19:49 -0400
Does anyone know of a Linux distro that can boot from a cd-rom, load the
shell, and a KDE gui without installing the package to the hard drive??
--
Pat Mc Govern
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David A. Lethe)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need input on developing a unified configuration program for linux
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:25:07 GMT
On Mon, 15 May 2000 03:32:34 -0400, "AnonymousCoward"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> HTML is absolutely the way to go.
>>
>> However ...
>> What happens if you want to change the IP number of your linux box?!!
>>
>
>Changing your box's IP is not a problem, because you would be using the
>loopback IP, not your box's internet IP. 127.0.0.1 will always get the
>current machine.
>
>
Sure, it would be safe if you never wanted to do remote configuration.
After re-reading the initial post, the author never mentioned remote
configuration, so it should be fine.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: "can't locate module [x]"
Date: 15 May 2000 08:29:50 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 15 May 2000 10:52:20 GMT, Alexander K
<<8fokt0$qjr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>aha yes:) i found the rc.modules script in /etc/rc.d and quite right it
>tries loading them.
>so this is why i couldn't see these errors via dmesg?
>so is this a problem for me?
>anything that i should do something about?
>could i simply comment them out?
>i was under the impression that I chose what modules i wanted (in
>menuconfig or similar).
>why does the system override my decisions?
If you don't need the functionality those modules provide, you can comment
the lines in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules where they are loaded out, and
everything will work as before. The init scripts load many modules,
including the ppp and bsd_comp modules, because a lot of users have modems
and would like to use them. "make menuconfig" is for building a new
kernel and its associated modules; it has nothing to do with which modules
get loaded upon boot.
>oh i forgot the freakin "s":) i got no conf.modules either.
>is that bad?
>and what about the aliases? what are they for? i have seen people write
>about them, but i didn't see them explained in the modules.txt in the
>kernel docs.
>where do i read about them?
"man conf.modules" for a start. Generally, if there's a file in /etc that
you don't understand, you can enter "man FILENAME" for an explanation of
what's going on.
The aliases there are for convenience, mostly. If you enter "alias eth0
3c59x" for example, when the machine tries to access the first Ethernet
device (eth0) then the 3c59x module will be loaded if it isn't already
loaded. You can also use the "options" arguments to pass options to
modules, and use the "post-install" and "pre-install" arguments to make
sure that modules load in a specific order.
>>HTH,
>what does this -HTH- mean?
>i havn't figured it out:( i have never seen it in any english books.
HTH = Hope That Helps. HAND = Have A Nice Day. YMMV = Your Mileage May
Vary. IMHO = In My Humble Opinion. RTFM = Read The Fine Manual.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: "Bluesky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reinstallation too slow
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:33:45 GMT
Thank you very much Steve, for the clear advice.
I will save this and be back after I check out all needed.
I did note down info and changes when I repartition.
This is what I learned from mistake.
Right now I am occupied with other work that is more
urgent. I will come back soon after I finish them.
Regards,
SilentNight
<Bluesky>
"Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 14 May 2000 05:16:47 GMT, SilentNight wrote:
> >
> >1. After Corel reboot normally, I wanted to check what if I turn off
power.
> > Then the second cold boot hangs.
>
> You shouldn't just turn off the power, usually there's something else that
> you should do first so that the machine doesn't get damaged, when you've
> watched enough of the film you don't just unplug the video player without
> stopping the tape from running, and you don't just turn a washing machine
> off while it's in the middle of it's program.
>
> To shutdown use something like
>
> # /sbin/shutdown -h now ## this shuts down safely and then you can
> ## turn off when it's finished doing what
> ## it does.
>
>
> # /sbin/shutdown -r now ## this will shutdown and restart the
> ## machine safely.
>
> >
> >2. The reinstallation is smooth, after many hours frustrated. But on the
> >reboot the PC just freezes.
>
> What error messages are you getting or at what point does it freeze, tell
> us what you're typing when prompted and what the promt is and what happens
> after that, what are you seeing on the screen at the time of the freeze?
>
> >
> >What makes me puzzled is that, several books about installation have no
way
> >out after repartition. So, if I use one distribution of Linux to
partition,
> >I must
> >go on installing it. Even there is no option for format.
> >
> >Where can I find those information ?
>
> You're not meant to stop installing in the middle of the instalation
process,
> make the decision before you start weather you want to do the install or
not
> this will save you a lot of time. If you're not happy about the the
partitions
> you've created you can edit them within the install procedure, but what I
think
> would be even better is if you mede these types of decisions before you
start
> to install (as suggested in all documentation I've seen), I've seen other
people
> who post to this NG say that before an install they write all this
information
> down on paper and refer to their notes while going through the install
process,
> I'd say that this is good practice, you can then keep a paper record of
the
> configuration of your machine which will help if anything goes seriously
wrong
> and you need to rebuild, especially useful if you have more than one
machine and
> each is configured differently.
>
> >
> >Thank you for your time.
> >
>
> You're welcome, you'll find it's a very steep learning curve, so don't
expect
> to understand everything over night, I've been using linux for about six
> months now and feel that I'm still learning how to get my machine to work
> exactly the way I want it to, but it's well worth the time and effort.
>
> PS: you don't need to reboot every five minutes, or every time you make a
change
> to the system, see my signature, I've upgraded perl, installed gnapster,
> installed a webserver, fixed an underlying network setup problem all
without
> rebooting and I have access to all of these new/modified facilities.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> %HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
>
> web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
>
> or http://start.at/zero-pps
>
> 3:35pm up 17 days, 17:36, 3 users, load average: 1.07, 1.03, 1.00
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From: Simon Kristensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Run Linux from cd-rom without hard drive install???
Date: 15 May 2000 14:34:12 +0200
"Patrick Mc Govern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone know of a Linux distro that can boot from a cd-rom, load the
> shell, and a KDE gui without installing the package to the hard drive??
Yup! There is DemoLinux. It does the above on most usual hardware
configurations. Version 2.0 will be with Gnome instead of KDE. They
are available at
http://www.demolinux.org/
HTH
Simon
--
Simon Kristensen; Residence Universitaire Les Flamboyants;
Studio no. 268; 8, rue Jean-Henri Schnitzler;
67000 Strasbourg; France;
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Balint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Interactive shutdown on console
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:31:38 +0200
Hi,
I would like to choose between halting and rebooting when I press
Ctrl-Alt-Del on the console. I wrote a small wrapper script which uses
the 'read' command to ask for user input, and based on the answer, it
calls shutdown with the appropriate options. In /etc/inittab, I
redirected the ctrlaltdel action to my script.
My problem is that when I press Ctrl-Alt-Del, and my script asks for
input, it does not get what I type. Apparently my keyboard input gets to
the application running on the console but not to my script.
When I had my script read from the terminal , i.e. "read ........
<`tty`", it did not help either.
What could I do? Or if my approach is completely wrong, in what other
way could I choose between halting and rebooting my system from the
console? (I want to do this even if nobody is logged in and an X display
manager is not running either).
Thanks
Balint
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From: "Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: too many mounted file systems
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:00:25 +0200
I have reached the NFS mount limit of 256 mounts on my machhine.
I did not know before there was one...
How do I extend that?
The Message while mounting mount 257 was:
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on
localhost:/usr/home/vserver/lib,
or too many mounted file systems
Background:
I use NFS (localhost -> localhost) to get a lot of users their
own virtual server in a chrooted box, but using some of shared
directories. (maybe there is a better way to to that?)
Thx,
Bernhard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: network card in Compaq deskpro
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:48:30 GMT
I have a fairly old Compaq machine, a Deskpro 575, and I've installed
SuSe linux 6.0 (kernel 2.0.36) on it. I'm having trouble with both the
network card and the X server - the compaq deskpros have the video card
and network card built-in to the motherboard. I've found previous posts
about deskpros and network cards - they seem to suggest that the IRQ is
too high, and you need to install a new network card - is this true?
As far as getting X to work goes, I've read previous advice about using
800x600 SVGA and setting the card type to 'unlisted', but still no luck
- when I do 'startx', I am told "there was no mode listed that would
match".
Anyone have any handy advice?
thanks
alex
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Robert L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bash upgrade
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:07:16 GMT
> if u've got the possibility to boot from cd and your distribution uses
> bootable cds:
> boot from cd and select rescue system - now u should be able to mount your
> harddisk.
> i think it would be wise to reinstall the sh (you'll need it :-)
I relink sh with bash, i restore some lib that was delete ( 2 link was
delete ).
I retry and "respawning too fast" again. Did sh is a special link? if yes,
how to restore it corectly?
My cdrom doesn't boot, so i use slackware boot floppy. I can mount my hda, i
certainly ca mount my cd but RH use rpm, and i have support for rpm on the
boot floppy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Kew)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: where does filesize get set?
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:26:54 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> That's a current limitation of the linux kernel.
Er - what kernel? Linux certainly isn't limited to 35Mb filesize.
Just think of when you create an ISO9660 image to burn a CDROM,
for example.
--
Nick Kew
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From: Stijn Decneut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: how to change the default Window Manager in RedHat6.2
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:16:00 +0200
hi,
I can't change the default window manager my RedHat chooses at login.
Currently it goes for Gnome, but I'd like fvwm or kde.... which I now
have to manually choose from the 'session' pull-down menu everytime I
log in.
Any ideas?
thanks,
Stijn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:08:15 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 14 May 2000 20:26:34 GMT...
...and Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 May 2000 21:29:00 +0200, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Don't forget Germany's got laws against concentration of press market
> >share in the hands of media moguls. I don't know whether the US have.
>
> We used to, but not anymore as far as I can tell.
Reagan abolished a lot of freedom of the press legislation, probably
that too...
mawa
--
THE THREE MANTRAS OF META-OPTIMISM (by mawa)
I. Everything's gonna be all right.
II. I'll always believe that everything's gonna be all right.
III. I'll always be able to believe everything's gonna be all right.
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From: ray jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:33:53 GMT
Mark Wilden wrote:
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
> >
> > The Web is not WYSIWYG.
>
> That's the unfortunate term used to describe an editor that provides a
> visual representation. It's quite literally true, since what you see is
> indeed what you--but only you--get. But Web purists mentally translate
> it into WYSIW Everyone G, and so they miss the benefits that the visual
> representation of information can provide to some people.
Now, how about answering his original question. YES!!!!!
There is a really great one, too, IMHO easily the equal of FrontPage from
you-know-who. IBM has done a wine-related port of their TopPage, and it is
just excellent. Can drag table columns and cells and rows exactly where
you want them, automatic FTP works great, I am very impressed with how
much WORK can be done in an hour. There are RPM's available.
--
Ray R. Jones
The Computer Shop
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HTTP://gordo.penguinpowered.com
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From: a s rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: The core file keeps hanging around...
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:56:37 -0400
Adrian wrote:
>
> Conor Daly wrote:
> >
> > There is something you can set somewhere (informative eh?) that prevents
> > core dumps in the first place. May be a Kernel compile is required but I'm
> > not sure.
> >
> > --
> > Conor Daly
> >
> Finally found it. To disable for a specific user environment, issue a
> "ulimit -c 0", preferably within your .bashrc or .tcsh startup
> environment. To disable it globally, you need to edit linux/sched.h and
> recompile the kernel. See /usr/doc/FAQ/txt/FAQ for more info.
>
> Adrian
> --
> - I just tried this on my old Packard Bell 486/66 w/4MB (Hey ...
> - shut-up! I was young, ignorant, and didn't know anything about
> - hardware or quality manufacturers.).
In /etc/profile, change 'ulimit -c 1000000' to 'ulimit -c 0'
--
Sent from Linux by
A S Rosenberg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: how to change the default Window Manager in RedHat6.2
Date: 15 May 2000 10:57:41 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 15 May 2000 16:16:00 +0200, Stijn Decneut
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I can't change the default window manager my RedHat chooses at login.
>Currently it goes for Gnome, but I'd like fvwm or kde.... which I now
>have to manually choose from the 'session' pull-down menu everytime I
>log in.
# cat > /etc/sysconfig/desktop
KDE
^D
AFter that, kdm, KDE's login manager, will start instead of gdm. With
kdm, you can choose which window manager is started, and kdm will remember
each user's preferred window manager. If you start a session with fvwm,
then the next time you enter your username into kdm, fvwm will be selected
automagically. If another user likes E, then they can have E as their
default without much trouble. HTH,
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: "Frank J. Schmuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Install "root" vs "user"?
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:57:54 -0400
Its my understanding that most things are to be installed as "root."
However, I installed StarOffice as root and my user account could not see
it. I then installed as the user and while I could see it, I now have two
installs.
1. what is the best way to install such programs and
2. what should I do about the duplication?
thanks
Frank
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From: GENE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: StarOffice shutdown
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:01:40 GMT
Ronald Hands wrote:
> I've been trying to get StarOffice 5.1 to run under Red Hat 6.2,
> without success. It either aborts midway through the loading process or
> quits with an "unrecoverable error" shortly after loading. I've tried
> running it in both KDE and Gnome desktop. This is with 32 mb of RAM and
> 85 mb of swap.
> Anyone have any clues? Is this a known incompatible combination?
> The Windows version of the same program runs flawlessly on the same
> machine.
> One other question: why are my screen fonts in Linux generally so
> primitive compared to the same fonts in Windows? Is there a cure? I've
> noticed the discrepancy particularly when using 12 point Times Roman in
> WordPerfect for Windows and then comparing the appearance of the screen,
> at any zoom, to the same typeface in WordPerfect 8 for Linux
>
> Ron
> Hamilton, ON
>
> --
Ron,
An investment in additional memory (followed by the addition of some
more
swap space) might be a relatively cheap way to go. I am running 128 MB of
real and a couple of 128 MB swapper partitions and soffice seems to work
nicely. I vaguely recollect having problems similar to yours when I was
trying to bring up soffice on one of my machines back when it had only 32
MB real. This is not guaranteed to be a fix for your problem, but may be
a good thing to do in any event. Linux itself is not a memory hog, but
increasingly, apps are being written which are. I just started soffice
and brought up "top" to see what my memory utilization is. Some of the
biggies are:
X - 17 Meg
soffice - 29.5 Meg
netscape - 30.6 Meg
My experience is that if you are runnning low on memory, applications
(such as soffice and netscape) do not protect themselves well enough
in a "thrashing" situation. The probability of ad hoc crashes increases
significantly.
I have a W98 laptop which exhibited the pattern:
with 32 Meg ram: Blue screen on average 3 x a day.
with 64 Meg ram: Blue screen on average 2 x a week.
Same apps, same work patterns - more memory didn't cure, but helped.
I notice the discrepancy between my fonts in Netscape running under
Linux vs Netscape running under NT or W98. Probably a configuration
thing. Maybe someone has a quick answer to good looking fonts. I haven't
fiddled around with fonts since my days on Sun workstations years ago. At
that time, everything centered around the X11 "app-defaults" directory,
and a handful of utilities including mkfontdir, etc. I expect things have
advanced somewhat now, in the age of font servers, etc. I note that
the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults directory on my RH61 box seems to
have a bunch of files named for applications. Things have changed...
Gene Montgomery
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: delete user's mail
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:04:12 GMT
On Mon, 15 May 2000 09:29:28 GMT, Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I can't think of a situation where a user can not remove a message from
>a mailbox... This smells a little fishy...
Some versions of Outlook crash when they see a header they don't like.
This makes it impossible to remove the offending message unless the user
has another mail client installed.
Some other mail clients can't delete messages without downloading them.
This can be a problem for users with modems.
In both of these cases, the real solution is to get a better mua. But
sometimes (e.g. you are an ISP) this isn't something you can insist on.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.bobh.org/
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