Linux-Misc Digest #597, Volume #24 Thu, 25 May 00 13:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (John Hasler)
Re: Printing man pages ("Art S. Kagel")
CD-ROM ("Ed Haack")
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Frank McKenney)
Need help for Xconfigurator!! (Arun Mahajan)
Re: Adaptec 19160 (Joshua Baker-LePain)
Re: how-to develop? (John Gluck)
Re: How much ram does seti need to run (Tony Sumner)
pls help me. cannot open -lcrypt ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Unable to login on ANY account! (Hal Burgiss)
Re: Printing man pages (Tony Sumner)
Re: How can I get ksh as a login shell ? (jose luis fernandez diaz)
Re: pdf file (Gerald Pollack)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (John Hasler)
howto man->txt (Toni)
Re: oldest linux box? (John Girash)
Re: Which Dist? (HTML) (John Girash)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Jim Richardson)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Mark Wilden)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Mark Wilden)
Re: CD-ROM (Bob Hauck)
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:49:28 GMT
David Steuber writes:
> On my machines, I have code with quite a variety of licenses. Those
> include GPL, BSD, QPL, Perl's Artistic License, the TCL license, and a
> bunch of others. The base system is GNU/Linux. A bunch of libraries in
> use are either GPL or LGPL, including libc.
> Have I violated someone's license?
Not the GPL, certainly. The GPL is about distribution: you can do whatever
you want with GPL code in the privacy of you own machine.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:24:11 -0400
From: "Art S. Kagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Printing man pages
You can try:
man -T dumb <manpage> | lpr
or
TERM=dumb man <manpage> | lpr
This will format for a 'dumb' terminal and output pure text with overstrike
for highlighting.
Art S. Kagel
Brian wrote:
>
> I know I have read this somewhere but I cannot find it now.
> How do I print a man topic so it is properly formatted on my printer?
> When I send it to the printer, it appears with doubled letters, etc. What
> is the correct command; i.e man grep | lpr ..........?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
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From: "Ed Haack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CD-ROM
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:24:10 -0400
I just built a new system that contains an Iomega CD-RW as the master drive
on the secondary IDE channel. It was setup exactly the same in my previous
machine. However, this time, the CDROM is inaccessible, even though
Linuxconf says its mounted. It lists it as
device=/mnt/cdrom
mountpoint=/mnt/cdrom
filesystem=supermount
When booting, Linux (Linux-Mandrake 7.0) identifies it as hdc. I have tried
changed the device to dev/hdc in Linuxconf, changing the file system to
msdos, vfat, fat, etc. nothing works. When I open the KDE file manager and
navigate to the /mnt folder, the cdrom AND the floppy are shown as folders
(as are the other partitions (FAT32 for Win98)), except the folder icons
have a belt (yes, like what holds your pants up) around the folder. When I
click on the cdrom icon, its says something like "Can't read directory"
(can't remember exact phrase).
Any ideas on this? Everything else seems to work fine and the CDROM works
just fine in Win98 and Win2000 and worked fine when installing Linux.
Thanks in advance.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank McKenney)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 25 May 2000 15:28:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <8gih3m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, s@- writes:
--snip--
>The fact that we have 500,000 lines of code, being worked on
>by hundreds of programmers, and with not a proper way for users
>to report bugs against it, is just a pathetic if you ask me.
>
>Imagine Solaris or VMS or OS390 or AIX being build without having
>a bug-tracking system. Tell the programmers working on any one of
>the above OS's that no bug-tracking system is needed and see
>what response you will get.
>
>btw, this is not just against linux, it is against any software
>project of large size that behaves the same way. Show me any such
>project, and I will say the same thing about it. This is just not a linux
>problem, it is a software engineering problem.
"s@-",
And yet... it works. And, remembering some of the problems our shop
experienced with various OS/370 releases and flavors, I'd say Linux
works at _least_ as well (;-).
But... if my perception has anything to do with reality, it brings up
an interesting question: do we (the DP/IT/Consultant/CompSci/hacker
community) need to re-examine the process of creating/maintaining
software? Perhaps the lessons learned and organized as "Software
Engineering", while important, are incomplete? The first working
suspension bridge didn't invalidate all previous civil engineering
knowledge, but its _existence_ did open up new ways of thinking about
bridge construction.
I'd _really_ like to hear Rodney "Mythical Man-Month" Brooks comment on
this after he had time to do a study on the evolution of and ongoing
support for Linux vs. OS/360.
Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Arun Mahajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Need help for Xconfigurator!!
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:30:05 GMT
I've brought a new HP Brio system which has following config:-
Pentium III 550Hz,128MB RAM, Matrox VGA card with 8MB VRAM,Hp 55(HpD8894A)
15" Color Monitor with 8.4 GB hard disk.
Now when I tried to run Xconfigurator for startx it detects my VGA card but
I could not find hp given model in listing. if choose custom with 800x600
SVGA at 60hz and all other settings it fails to set Xconfig.
Is there anybody who could help me to solve it out?
Thanks in advance for the help.
regards,
Arun Mahajan
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: Joshua Baker-LePain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adaptec 19160
Date: 25 May 2000 15:47:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Chris West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if there's a Linux driver available for the Adaptec 19160
> SCSI card?
First, trim your posting -- 5 newsgroups with one simple question which could
have been answered in 5 minutes on Deja.com may as well be spam.
Second, the standard aic7xxx driver works just fine. Splendidly, even.
--
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
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From: John Gluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: how-to develop?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:34:05 -0400
Nicola Attico wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm serching for a word of advice.
> I'm searching for a project to work at
> (starting from zero [maybe better] or
> running).
> The point is that I've not strong C
> knowledge, so I would like to learn...
> Anyway I'm not a total unable
> and I've years of experience using
> Linux and some practice in administration...
> I think moreover that the better way
> to learn how to write software is to write
> it, so I would like to learn doing it!
> So, I'm searching for a *baby* project,
> where it is possible to learn...
>
> Does it exists?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nicola
I think a good way to get started is to take a simple utility program
that exists. Get the source and try to add a feature or 2 to it.
After trying to do something like that a few times, you'll start getting
the hang of things.
The next step is to try and write a small program from scratch. What you
do doesn't need to be useful for any purpose other than to help you
learn.
An example of such a program is a program that simulates a lottery
drawing. It picks say 6 random numbers from a possible 76 and lists the
results in ascending order. It's a useless program but it gets you using
things like the random number generator and doing a sort.
--
John Gluck (Passport Kernel Design Group)
(613) 765-8392 ESN 395-8392
Unless otherwise stated, any opinions expressed here are strictly my own
and do not reflect any official position of Nortel Networks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Sumner)
Subject: Re: How much ram does seti need to run
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:54:58 GMT
>Stewart Honsberger wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 23 May 2000 16:30:07 GMT, Julian wrote:
>> >how much ram does seti need to run on Linux?
I started running seti@home with 16MB and it was ok but the disc was
whirring all the time. I added another 16MB to bring my total up
to an awesome 32MB and seti@home then ran faster with a click from the
disc only every 8-10 seconds. So my view is 32MB is enough.
--
Tony Sumner
to e-mail me, substitute macaulay for nospam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: pls help me. cannot open -lcrypt
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:38:01 GMT
I have a strange problem. In spite of I have crypt lib
>ldconfig -v | grep "crypt"
libcrypt.so.1 => libcrypt-2.1.1.so
libcrypt.so.1 => libcrypt-2.1.1.so
the compiler returns the error to me
>make
gcc -g ncsa_auth.o -o ncsa_auth -L../../lib -lmiscutil -lm -lresolv -
lnsl -lcry
pt
/usr/bin/ld: cannot open -lcrypt: No such file or directory
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [ncsa_auth] Error 1
please give me any hints? what may be the problem?
thnx
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: Unable to login on ANY account!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:50:59 GMT
On Thu, 25 May 2000 10:58:30 -0400, Kool Breeze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I have had a RH6.1 IPMASQ box up and running on BellSouth DSL for about
>3 months. I recently upgraded to RH6.2 and everthing was fine.
>Yesterday I tried to telnet in under my normal user account and was not
>allowed (Invalid login). IPMASQ is still working just fine. I went to
>the console and was no longer able to login as root or ANY of the 10
>user accounts I have. I was able to get into single user from boot via:
>LILO Boot: linux 1 From there I tried changing passwords for root, my
>normal account and a new account that I created to no avail. The passwd
>program was changing /etc/shadow each time, but no user
>could log in.
>Finally, I cleared out all the normal user account passwords in
>/etc/passwd and ran pwconv to update /etc/shadow. Now the ONLY way I
>can log in is via an Xterm session as a regular user (null passwd). I
>can SU from that xterm session. /etc/securetty has the normal (tty1 -
>tty8) and there is no /etc/usertty.
>Can anyone help me with this?
Maybe you've been cracked. Try running 'rpm -V util-linux-2.10f-7'.
/bin/login is a common file to be tampered with.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Sumner)
Subject: Re: Printing man pages
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:57:53 GMT
>Brian wrote:
>>
>> I know I have read this somewhere but I cannot find it now.
>> How do I print a man topic so it is properly formatted on my printer?
>> When I send it to the printer, it appears with doubled letters, etc. What
>> is the correct command; i.e man grep | lpr ..........?
Try
nroff -man <manpage.1> | col -b | less
and then post the result to the printer
--
Tony Sumner
to e-mail me, substitute macaulay for nospam
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From: jose luis fernandez diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can I get ksh as a login shell ?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:00:54 +0000
peter pilsl wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, jose-luis.fdez-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a RH 6.1. The default login shell is bash, but I want ksh as a
> > login shell. I writed the '/etc/passwd' file to get this, but it haven't
> >
> > comman-line editing. If I press 'Esc + K' the term shows:
> >
> > ^[k
> >
> > instead of repeat the last command. How can I solve this problem ?
> >
>
> so your problem is how to edit passwd ?
>
> peter
>
> --
> pilsl@
> goldfisch.at.at
No, the problem is that with a ksh shell I can't edit previous commands with
the keys 'Esc + k'.
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From: Gerald Pollack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pdf file
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:06:27 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 5/25/00, 7:00:27 AM, Oder Santos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding=
=20
pdf file:
> I'm really new to Linux and I don't know how to manage a pdf.gz file.
> What should I do to descompact this file? Thanks in advance, Oder.
gunzip filename.gz
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:03:23 GMT
Peter writes:
> It's at least as good as the one that tracks the governments activities
> (known as "the press").
It can't possibly be that bad.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: Toni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: howto man->txt
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:30:04 +0200
Please do not stone me - how do I convert a manpage to a ascii txt
file ?
i tried
man perl >> perl.txt
but it gives me a file full of binary chars
man --7 perl >> perl.txt
doesn�t change anything
so what arguement shall i use ?
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: oldest linux box?
Date: 25 May 2000 12:34:59 -0500
Jeff Workman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
:> Just curious, what's the oldest linux box that folks have these days?
: I've got a 486sx25 that gets occasional use and a P75 that was a web server
: on a cable modem, serving around 5-8k of hits a day until I moved in October.
I'll lay good money that there are dozens (probably hundreds, maybe thousands)
of 386sx16's out there still being used as simple terminals and/oor servers.
(Just trying to keep there from being dozens (if not hundreds or thousands)
of followups from peeps who think 486/P5's etc are old -- no offence Jeff :-)
john "just recently retired a 386sx25 / kernel 1.2 notebook" g
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Which Dist? (HTML)
Date: 25 May 2000 12:37:56 -0500
In comp.os.linux.misc Paul E. Larson <whistler<blahblah>@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
: In article <veyV4.73959$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Nick"
:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Other
: This is my favorite release, the 1.6 distribution was very easy to install.
yeah, but I hear that their next version will be called "v8.2 Gold".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:52:38 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 25 May 2000 04:54:09 GMT,
Peter T. Breuer, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>In comp.os.linux.misc Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Sure, you can replicate the functionality in RPM or Deb easily enough, but
>: not with just the ./configure;make;make install mentioned. (At least not
>: without the connivence of the writer of the ./configure script.) RPM allready
>
>setenv INSTALL "pkginstall install -c"
>
>(and thus log what goes where)
>
>Peter
Having logged it, what tool do you use to check before removing/upgrading
something?
(this is slackware you are discussing, right? )
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:47:11 +0100
Frank McKenney wrote:
>
> Rodney "Mythical Man-Month" Brooks
Fred.
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:53:37 +0100
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : That's just another argument in favour of test suites, then. That way,
> : when the hardware changes, you can identify the change with the test
> : suite, instead of wondering whether it was your latest change that broke
> : the code.
>
> Unfortunately, you wouldn't know even with the test suite. Was it you?
If the previous build succeeds with the test suite, and the current one
doesn't, yes, it's you.
> Was it the rest of the kernel?
Test suites are combinations of many separate unit tests that verify the
contract agreed to by each part of the kernel is doing its job.
> Was it a bad chip? Is it a bad batch of
> chips?
If the previous build succeeded against one chip, but fails against
another, then it's the chip.
> Will it change back again next week?
You'll never know unless you can test it.
> Was it the mobo?
Dunno what a mobo is. :)
> You cannot control the variables as you would like.
Of course, you're right. But without a test suite you not only can't
control the variables, you can't even measure them and compare them. All
you know (if you're lucky!) is that something that worked before doesn't
work now. Since software is more changeable than hardware, you're forced
to assume that it's your code that caused the problem, so you have to
break out the debugger.
That's why I think flakey hardware makes test suites even more vital.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:05:03 GMT
On Thu, 25 May 2000 11:24:10 -0400, Ed Haack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>device=/mnt/cdrom
I would think this should be /dev/hdc if that is your cd device.
>mountpoint=/mnt/cdrom
>filesystem=supermount
>navigate to the /mnt folder, the cdrom AND the floppy are shown as folders
>(as are the other partitions (FAT32 for Win98)), except the folder icons
>have a belt (yes, like what holds your pants up) around the folder.
That means you don't have permission to read that folder.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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