Linux-Misc Digest #601, Volume #24 Thu, 25 May 00 20:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Printing man pages (Uwe =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6hme?=)
Manipulating pointcolors in Gnuplot? (Eduardo Cuansing)
Linux, NFS, and >4096 files (Richard Kaszeta)
Re: May I use your Real Server? (Buchan Milne)
Process Stack Dump (U.V. Ravindra)
How to stop a program from running automatically ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
APACHE FORBIDDEN PROBLEM (neolyth)
problem with isdn (Stefan)
Re: Printer reccomendations? (Nicholas Murison)
Re: How to stop a program from running automatically ("Tom Hoffmann")
Using Exceed 6.2 the System Menu is missing (Owen)
video4linux bttv problem ("Clint Turner")
palm pilot troubles (Robert Schweikert)
Re: cpp problem macro expansion (Robert Schweikert)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Jen)
Re: Linux Hangs -Freeze (Robert Schweikert)
Re: AMD K6-III -why i586? (David Efflandt)
Re: Can Link To My ISP, But Link Drops Out (David Efflandt)
Re: Slackware or Debian (Christopher Browne)
Re: Linux emulator (Christopher Browne)
Re: Financial Accounting System??? (Christopher Browne)
Re: sccs in linux (Christopher Browne)
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From: Uwe =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6hme?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printing man pages
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:36:30 +0200
Brian wrote:
> is the correct command; i.e man grep | lpr ..........?
For me I'm using a2psm <http://www.inf.enst.ft/~demaille/a2ps/>
Has a lot of nice features.
man grep | a2ps -m
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From: Eduardo Cuansing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.graphics.apps.gnuplot
Subject: Manipulating pointcolors in Gnuplot?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:57:24 -0500
In Linux, is it possible to manipulate the data point colors without
editing .Xdefaults? Actually, even when I edit .Xdefaults the default
colors are still being used! BTW, I'm using gnuplot 3.7.1.
TIA,
Ed
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http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~cuansing
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From: Richard Kaszeta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux, NFS, and >4096 files
Date: 25 May 2000 17:00:53 -0500
Okay, I've got a little research project that involves moving around
*lots* of files (about 16,000 of them), and for a number of reasons
I'd like to keep them together, and not segregated into subdirectories.
The directory I am trying to use is on my SGI server with lots of disk
space, nfs mounted onto the client with the standard options.
Once the nfs directory contains more than 4095 files, then my Linux
machines can no longer 'ls' the directory, or do a number of other
file operations. My SGI and Sun machines have no problem, however.
However, if I copy the files to the local machine (which takes a
*long* time), then I can ls the directory without any problems, so
it seems that Linux NFS has a max number of files limit somewhere.
So, the question is, where is this limit set, and can it be increased?
Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:09:44 +0200
From: Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: May I use your Real Server?
Last time I looked, Real made it's basic server available on windows
platforms too ...
May I suggest a radio ??
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I would like to know if anyone here has installed a Real audio server on
> their system and if they would let me test it for a couple of weeks.
>
> I just need to know if this is going to work before I go off and install
> Linux on my PC.
>
> - I have a night shift at work (9:30pm to 6am) with nothing much to do
> and I want to be able to to a live real g2 broadcast of the TV tuner
> card I have at home.
> For that I require a Real Server, but I can't find a public one
> anywhere.
>
> Please let me know if you are interested.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: U.V. Ravindra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Process Stack Dump
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:02:22 GMT
Hi,
I need help writing a [set of] routine[s] that will help
me get a stack dump of my Alpha Linux program in the event
of, say, the process getting a SEGV.
ALL help will be appreciated.
-UVR.
P.S. What's the direction of stack growth on Linux Alpha -
top-down or bottom-up?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to stop a program from running automatically
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:04:33 GMT
I'm working with redhat 6.1
There is a perl script that is always running, and when I kill it's
process, it just starts up again. It is a script that someone else
using the computer created. How did they set it to always run, and
start up again if it's process is killed?
Thanks,
Owen
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From: neolyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: APACHE FORBIDDEN PROBLEM
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:30:26 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
forbiden
I installed Redhat 6.2 on my box and when I type-in the ip adress or
name of it in my Netscape Browser from another box in the network, the
error page comes up which says "Forbiden". The Linuxconf html based
work now on port 98, after entering "eth0" in the "linuxconf/network
access-configuration".
The log file says: the client was denied by server configuration I've
tried many configurations with linuxconf: unsuccesfully for the standart
access to the apache index.html located in
"/home/httpd/html/index.html".
With older versions of Redhat, I`ve never had that problem. Has
something changed in 6.2 and when, what do I have to do to have it
working
properly ?
thanks
neolyth
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From: Stefan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: problem with isdn
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:01:50 +0200
i tried to connect (kde/ kppp) with the internet, but the error "No MSN/
EAZ"
occured. what can i do?
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From: Nicholas Murison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Printer reccomendations?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:35:05 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nick Paul wrote:
>
> I'm looking to buy a printer to use with my linux box running Red Hat
> 6.2. I really don't have any experience with Linux printing. All I
> really want is a decent color printer that will be easy to setup and use
> with Linux. Cost is a major concern. I can't spend much more than $200,
> and if I can spend less that's even better. Which brands and/or models
> should I be looking at?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Nick
In my experience, HPs work very well with Linux. Stay away from stuff
like OKI as they use completely different protocols from the rest of the
crowd.
--
Nicholas John Murison
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don't mess with penguins
Registered Linux User #153895 http://counter.li.org
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From: "Tom Hoffmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to stop a program from running automatically
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:48:00 GMT
More likely that not, it it started in /etc/inittab with a respawn action.
The respawn action will restart the process if it is stopped to ensure it
ia always running.
In article <8gk816$uqr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm working with redhat 6.1
>
> There is a perl script that is always running, and when I kill it's
> process, it just starts up again. It is a script that someone else
> using the computer created. How did they set it to always run, and
> start up again if it's process is killed?
>
> Thanks, Owen
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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From: Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat
Subject: Using Exceed 6.2 the System Menu is missing
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:48:10 GMT
I'm using Redhat 6.2, Exceed 6.2 on a Win2k machine
I have a completely default Redhat 6.2 install. The only thing that
I've have changed after the installed was the gdf.conf file to add
support for XDMCP. I changed one line to Enable=1.
I have a fresh install of Win2k and Exceed 6.2 I have set Exceed 6.2
to do a XDMCP-query to the IP address of my Redhat 6.2 machine.
I can connect to the linux box, I get the gui coming up, I can log in
etc. Basically everything is working fine. My problem is that when I
log out of Xwindows, on the log out screen, I don't get any of the
options, ie shutdown, restart, etc. just an OK and cancle button. I
also noticed that these are missing from the main login screen (under
the system pulldown menu). If I'm actually on the Redhat machine, and
log in, I get all of these options. It's only when I'm connecting from
my Win2k machine that things are screwing up.
Why are these missing. I don't think it's Exceed, because this happens
with all the X servers that I've tried. What do I have to change to
make these options appear.
Any help would be appreciated....thanks
Owen
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From: "Clint Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: video4linux bttv problem
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:11:02 +1000
Hi,
I am running RedHat 6.1 with kernel 2.2.12 and 2.3.99pre6 and have noticed
problems with my tv tuner card. The card, flyvideo2, from lifeview
(www.lifeview.com.tw) works okay under windows and seems to work fine using
xawtv except it does not show any colours.
The card is using the australian frequency table, PAL and the config files
are set for the phillips tuner(i believe).
What could be the problem?
Thanks in advance
Clint Turner
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From: Robert Schweikert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: palm pilot troubles
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:11:26 -0400
Argh!
I have my modem set up on ttyS2 (/dev/ttyS2, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03e8,
IRQ: 4), this of course share the interupt with ttyS0 (/dev/ttyS0, UART:
16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4). To avoid any conflicts I want to set up
my Palm pilot cradel on ttyS1 (/dev/ttyS1, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x02f8,
IRQ: 3).
However, when I use "ln /dev/ttyS1 /dev/pilot" and then use "pilot-xfer
-b pilot" I get the following error:
Unable to bind to port '/dev/pilot'.
(Please see 'man pilot-xfer' or 'pilot-xfer --help' for information on
setting the port).
When I use "ln /dev/ttyS0 /dev/pilot" and then use "pilot-xfer -b
pilot" I get the following :
Waiting for connection on /dev/pilot (press the HotSync button now)...
But of course that doesn't work as I am using the modem and there has to
be an interupt conflict. So the big question is why does it not work
when I set the /dev/pilot to /dev/ttyS1?
Any help is appreciated.
While I was messing around with this I also managed to screw up the
permissions for ttyS1 from (crw-------) to (crwS------), how can I fix
this? Anyway this did not appear to make a difference as I tried the
link to ttyS1 prior to messing around with the permissions and it din't
work then either.
I am running RH 6.2 with the default installs/versions of Enlightenmant
and GNOME.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Robert
--
Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU
[EMAIL PROTECTED] LINUX
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From: Robert Schweikert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cpp problem macro expansion
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:23:18 -0400
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> Robert Schweikert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : #define SL(name) name.sl
> : ExeName(cls/impl, (cls_initialize, SL(HKScls)))
>
> : ExeName(cls/impl, (cls_initialize, HKScls .sl ))
>
> : This is obviously wrong, my macro has nothing in it that says "add a
> : space to name". I know that I can concatenate with the
>
> But it doesn't matter. "." is an operator in C. White space makes no
> difference.
The problem here is that HKScls.sl turns into a file name and when parsing
the line which is left over after cpp is done with it the whitespace prior
to .sl really messes things up.
>
>
> : "##" but this forces me to add an "if defined" in my directive file,
>
> What did you have in mind? A ## in the macro itself would do the trick?
The ## in the macro does the trick for Linux, but HP's cpp returns this:
"HKScls ## .sl" which is course just as useless as "HKScls .sl". This
means I have to put "#if defined Linux"; "#define SL(name) name ## .sl"
and "#if defined HP"; "#define SL(name) name.sl"
WHich is doable but unpleasant. Now of course one can complain that HP
does not implement the ANSI standard for string concatenation correctly,
TRUE, and one can argue that cpp should handle "name.sl" correctly.
>
>
> Peter
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] LINUX
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From: Jen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 25 May 2000 18:29:01 -0500
On Tue, 23 May 2000 12:46:38 -0500, Apple Advertising
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You forgot to figure in that in order to program in Windows a DECENT (read
>reasonably stable, reasonable performance, reasonable maintainability, etc.)
>program, you have to first BUY the SDK and API documentation
It comes with Visual Studio.
>I may be a little off here, but I still have not been able to find documentation
>on Windows interfacing without having to purchase the books. And if someone
>suggests that the documentation is free - how much did it cost you to go through
>Windows certification training before you have access to this free
>documentation?
It's on their damn web site for crying out loud. Isn't it? It's
certainly in the online help/books of Visual Studio.
>BTW - same programming software requires a per-machine license in order to
>LEGALLY be used
That's true of many copyrighted applications... so what? Besides, I
don't know if that's the case with Visual Studio (if that is what you
are bitchin about) Anyway, who cares?
If you want free, stick with Linux and GNU.
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From: Robert Schweikert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux Hangs -Freeze
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:31:33 -0400
Rafael wrote:
> My Linux (Red Hat 6.2, kernel 2.14 and 6.1) hangs. I run on the same
> computer Windows 98 and it works without hangings. I would like use
> only Linux on this computer but I can't. It hangs (freeze), the reset
> button could not restart computer (black screen). I have to turn power
> of. Please help me. What could be the reason.
> I have Epox MVP3C2 mainboard, I use S3 868 PCI graphic card with 2 Mb
> RAM on it.
> I downloaded lately new kernel 2.14-12 and instaled it. After it things
> went worst, my computer started eaven hangs at lower speed of the
> processor.
> It is realy strange that when I am adding additional PCI card I have to
> slow down the speed of the mainboard and processor.
>
> One thing I wonder is it corect that eth0 , eth1 and my graphic card
> work on the same interupt.
All devices should have different interupts. Your network cards, maybe even
your sound card may all be plug and pray and thus when you start Windoze
IRQ get assigned and they are all different. This does not happen in Linux.
If you cards are plug and pray there is probably some software switch to
turn the plug and pray feature of and to configure the port and IRQ. I
would start there.
Good luck
Robert
> Do you know how can I change interupt number
> in Linux of my graphic PCI card. At Windows I have the same interupts.
> I have in my computer:
> Modem Zoltrix Internal Sp Phone V.34 (PCI)
> TurtleBeach Malibu Sound card (ISA)
> Realtek 8029 Network card (ISA)
> Realtek 8129 Network card (PCI)
> S3 Vision 868 PCI graphic card
> Hard Drive 27 GB IBM - IDE ATA-66 - master on first controler
> CD Rom x 32 slave on second controler
>
> Please give me some advice, I starting be mad about this problem.
> Why the same computer not hang in Windows 98 (never) but in Linux very
> often and it freeze tottaly, no responce and I have turn of power to
> restart it, reset button did not restart it.
>
> Rafael
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] LINUX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: AMD K6-III -why i586?
Date: 25 May 2000 23:44:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 25 May 2000, Rafael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Why Linux recognized AMD K6-III as i586 and not as i686? Can I use i686
>kernel for this AMD? When trying install new i686 kernel from rpm
>instalation program says :
>"Wrong architecture"
>and abort instalation
>
>Rafael
The AMD K6 processors come under the "Pentium" optimizations, which may
have more optimizations than the generic i586, but it is still i586 and
not i686.
The cpu_family in /proc/cpuinfo tells you what processor group the kernel
thinks it is regardless of which cpu the kernel is compiled for. This
portion of cpuinfo is for a K6 (cpu_family 5 means i586):
processor : 0
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 5
model : 8
model name : AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor
stepping : 12
cpu MHz : 398.874051
This is a portion of cpuinfo for a mobile Pentium which is i686:
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 8
model name : Pentium III (Coppermine)
stepping : 1
cpu MHz : 496.316975
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Can Link To My ISP, But Link Drops Out
Date: 25 May 2000 23:53:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 25 May 2000 15:11:57 -0400, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi Bill,
> thanks for the reply. Could you explain it in more detail.
>
> Mike
>
>Bill Unruh wrote:
>
>> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> ]Hi,
>> ] for some reason I can't get kppp to work
>> ]so I am trying to troubleshoot the problem. It can dial the modem
>> ]and connect to my isp and then after a while the connection drops.
>> ] I decided to try for a test, to use minicom, and then give
>> ]an in line command in the shell to start pppd after I have logged
>> ]in with minicom. I am monitoring the output via tail -f
>> ]/var/log/messages. The following message is what I get before or
>> ]just after I connect or get disconnected from my isp:
>> ]registered device ppp0:
>> ]The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I
>> ]couldn't find any secret (password) which would let it us an IP
>> ]address hostcomputer PAM_pwadb[925]: (login:)
>> ]sessions opened for user by root by Login(uid=0)
>>
>> ]My computer I called hostcomputer. What does this message mean
>> ]and how should I proceed?
>>
>> It means that you have an ethernet card, and that you have a default
>> route on that ethernet card. Don't
>> Put
>> route del default
>> into the end of rc.local ( in /etc/rc.d or /etc/rc.d/init.d/local
Maybe this would be clearer if he had put a period after Don't, or said
Don't do that. In other words do NOT have a default route to your LAN, or
if there is any default route in the output of '/sbin/route -n' remove it.
The pppd error is confusing because it is some sort of default error if it
does not know what else to say.
RedHat has a tendency to add a default route to 0.0.0.0 if you have no
default route, so it is best to add the following to your
/etc/rc.d/rc.local just to make sure that any that exists is removed.
/sbin/route del default
You should have or use -net routing for any LAN traffic (see 'man route').
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Slackware or Debian
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:55:28 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Johan Kullstam would say:
>you did trim out where i recommended that the person try a few
>distributions. during this process you will learn about
>configuration. you will learn which distribution suits your style and
>needs.
>
>i just think that the differences between the distributions
>are overblown not that there aren't any.
My point was to provide some counterpoint, to hopefully give some idea
of what differences _are_ important and persistent; while we may have
some minor disagreements on "style," I saw nothing massive to disagree
with.
I would certainly agree that trying out several distributions before
settling on a "favorite" is a valuable approach.
The approach I originally took, many moons back, was to install
Slackware, and basically fiddle it to the point of destruction.
The reinstall _didn't_ toast /usr/local or /home, and I preserved /etc
for reference, which was the first really wise set of moves; and the
learning from the first iteration led to the second iteration taking
considerably longer (e.g. - to get to "destruction").
That worked out well for me, albeit with the caveat that I was already
generally familiar with UNIX, if not with system administration.
People who only know Windows may need a different approach...
--
This program posts news to billions of machines throughout the galaxy.
Your message will cost the net enough to bankrupt your entire planet.
As a result your species will be sold into slavery. Be sure you know
what you are doing. Are you absolutely sure you want to do this? [yn]
y
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Linux emulator
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:55:33 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when [EMAIL PROTECTED] would say:
>Andrew Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
>> I think VMware has a product that goes the other way as well.
>
>That only works on NT, doesn't it?
NTLUG <http://www.ntlug.org/cal/index.html> had a meeting Saturday
where a rep from VMware came in to explain the joys (and few sorrows)
of VMware.
It runs on Windows NT 4, Linux, and Windows 2000, and can host pretty
much any IA-32 OS on top of it, notably including:
- Windows 3.1
- Windows 95
- Windows 98
- Windows NT 4
- Windows NT 3.5x
- Windows 2000
- Linux
- FreeBSD
- OpenBSD
- MSDOS 6
Unsupported as of yet, but possibly somewhat working, are
- Hurd
<http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-hurd-9907/msg00069.html>
- BeOS <http://www.benews.com/story/647>
- QNX
More details findable at:
<http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/common/guest_list.html>
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Rules of the Evil Overlord #92. "If I ever talk to the hero on the
phone, I will not taunt him. Instead I will say that his dogged
perseverance has given me new insight on the futility of my evil ways
and that if he leaves me alone for a few months of quiet contemplation
I will likely return to the path of righteousness. (Heroes are
incredibly gullible in this regard.) <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Financial Accounting System???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:55:36 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when
otrcomm**NO_SPAM**@wildapache.net would say:
>Does anyone know if there is a fairly robust financial accounting system
>available that will run on Linux?
>
>Ideally it would be Opensource and use MySQL!
Look to SQL-Ledger at <http://www.simtax.ca/acc/>, and FreePFM at
<http://www.teachquest.com/freepfm/>.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/finances.html>
Rules of the Evil Overlord #15. "I will never employ any device with
a digital countdown. If I find that such a device is absolutely
unavoidable, I will set it to activate when the counter reaches 117
and the hero is just putting his plan into operation."
<http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: sccs in linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:55:37 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Quiney, Philip
[HAL02:HH00:EXCH] would say:
>Paul Kimoto wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt wrote:
>> > Hi is there an SCCS in linux ?
>> >
>> > I know theres a cvs but I would like to use sccs
>> > as the command ?
>> >
>> > ie sccs get <filename.c>
>>
>> The GNUish analogue to SCCS is RCS (not CVS, which is built on top of an
>> RCS infrastructure).
>>
>> There used to be an effort to clone SCCS, called "CSSC", but I don't
>> know what has come of it:
>> http://www.free-lunch.demon.co.uk/CSSC/
>>
>Hi,
>
>I seem to remember the author of CSSC telling everbody to use CVS as
>although CSSC was a good clone of SCCS it (and sccs by implication) lack
>a whole host of features which make version control work properly - if
>you use CVS you won't want to go back to SCCS/CSSC.
<http://www.free-lunch.demon.co.uk/CSSC/> describes the situation..
"Should I use it?
Short answer: No.
If you have access to a genuine implemenatation of SCCS, the answer is
"No". GNU CSSC is not yet complete and even if it were, it has not had
the stringent testing that SCCS has had. SCCS has undergone almost
twenty years of testing.
If you are using one of the versions of SCCS that has a Year 2000
problem, then the answer may change. All the major software vendors
have announced operating system upgrades that are certified to be
Year-2000 compliant. However, previous versions of these Unixes have
often included versions of SCCS that do not work past the milennium
turnover. If you can't or won't upgrade your vendor's implementation
of SCCS, then using CSSC will at least get you through the year 2000
without mishap. There is much more information about the year-2000
compliance issues surrounding SCCS implementations in the CSSC manual,
which comes with the source code.
If you do not have access to a commercial implementation of SCCS on
your development system, and you must use SCCS, then I suggest that
you do use CSSC.
However, if you're not forced to use SCCS there are many much better
systems. CSCS is a clone of SCCS, and has all the same flaws as the
original. Overall I'd reccomend using CVS even for a single developer,
unless the number of files in the project you're controlling is
exactly one, in which case I'd reccomend RCS.
The source code to CSSC itself is naturally not controlled with
CSSC. After all, this would mean that a single bug in a development
version of the program could destroy the package completely. I use CVS
to aid my development of CSSC; its tagging facilities are particularly
useful. The CVS repository for CSSC is not publicly accessible. In
fact it is not even on the Internet; I have no Internet access at
home."
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