Linux-Misc Digest #737, Volume #24 Wed, 7 Jun 00 07:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Does Linux support Multiprocessors? (Alex)
Re: Does Linux support Multiprocessors? (Simon Kongshoj)
Re: Ctrl-C doesn't work in single user mode (Bernd Eggink)
Re: Does Linux support Multiprocessors? ("Quiney, Philip [HAL02:HH00:EXCH]")
Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD ("kazik")
Re: How to create device on diskette? (Sverre Torjussen)
problem with auth (identd) (A.Helleboid)
File table overflow ("Andreas Moroder")
Re: File table overflow (Andrew Williams)
Re: File splitting (fwd) (Thomas Zajic)
Re: WANTED Epson Printer Driver (ray)
Re: Xdm locks machine? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Linux uses lots of memory? (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Xdm locks machine? ("Eddie De Roos")
PHP+MySQL vs. PHP+PostgreSQL (YamYam)
Re: Serious fragmentation under Linux (Floyd Davidson)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Donal K. Fellows)
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From: Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux support Multiprocessors?
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:01:57 -0400
> > On this note, how can I tell if the SMP support is being used. For NT at
> > least, there task-bar shows 2 resource indicators. I am looking for
> > something that shows the status of the CPU, "top" cannot tell.
>
> I think (i'm not sure), you can get that information from
>
> /proc/cpuinfo
>
> Otherwise, I think it will be somewhere else in the /proc file system.
>
> Just type:
>
> 'less /proc/cpuinfo'
Yes, this will show how 1 or 2 cpu is (or are) been used. If using SMP,
it will show the info of processor: 0, and processor: 1.
I remember there is also a program that can show both cpu load but I
can't remember which.
<snip>
Alex.
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From: Simon Kongshoj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux support Multiprocessors?
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:05:06 GMT
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Alex bashed his keyboard into the wall and hit the
following keys:
> I remember there is also a program that can show both cpu load but I
> can't remember which.
GKrellM can, if you're using X. There are also a few Enlightenment Epplets
that can do the same thing.
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From: Bernd Eggink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ctrl-C doesn't work in single user mode
Date: 7 Jun 2000 08:21:29 GMT
Bernd Eggink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm running SuSE 6.4. After booting to single user mode, Ctrl-C has no
> effect, which makes it impossible to cancel running commands. Playing
> with the tty settings doesn't change anything. Dows anybody know the
> reason for this behavior, and possibly how to change it?
Ah, I found out myself: Simply change this line in /etc/inittab
~~:S:respawn:/sbin/sulogin
into
~~:S:respawn:/sbin/sulogin /dev/tty1
Whithout that, sulogin uses /dev/console, which makes the shell think it
isn't connected to a tty, and consequently ignore SIGINT.
Regards,
Bernd
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From: "Quiney, Philip [HAL02:HH00:EXCH]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Does Linux support Multiprocessors?
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:00:27 +0100
jmt wrote:
>
> I gots me a dual processor motherboard running 2 pentiums II's. Will Linux
> use them? If so, is there anything extra has to be installed to have the
> kernal see them or special bootup cmds?
>
> Thanks,
Hi,
RedHat 6.1 recognised the dual processor motherboard I used during
installation and loaded a pre built kernel with SMP enabled.
The kernel shows up as 2.2.12-20smp (Symmetric Multi-processing)
Regards
Phil Q
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From: "kazik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:43:48 +0100
true is that freebsd is great, there is many apps, its more secure than most linux
oses, but less than DEBIAN !!!
if u wanna only secure use openbsd or netbsd, if u wanna os for secure and other
things choose debian.
kazik
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Melvin Toy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> This may bring up an old argument.
>
> I been playing w/ linux for over a year and like it for a server very
> much. I've been starting hearing more and more about FreeBSD. First
> from a FreeBSD hard-core who tells me if you have a web server running
> FreeBSD & another running Linux you won't see a performance difference
> w/ a thousand hits a day. However if you get a million hits a day,
> FreeBSD leaves Linux behind in the dust. He also sees Linux in a few
> years becoming bloated like NT because stuff is being slapped on Linux
> left and right w/o any control. He says, "FreeBSD is slow to change but
> we're very stable." I asked one of our Linux instructor about this. He
> didn't know too much about FreeBSD but it didn't surprise him because he
> knows FreeBSD is more or less bulletproof and Linux still has security
> problems as a server. He was surprise FreeBSD didn't get more publicity.
> I had another instructor pointed out though that most development is
> being done on Linux. Then I read this big article over the Memorial Day
> weekend on FreeBSD and all these companies like Yahoo, Hotmail,etc
> running all their servers using FreeBSD.
>
> I'm about to set up 12 web servers w/ RH linux but now I'm not sure.
>
> I know this is an old argument but does it still hold today? Comments?
>
> Melvin
>
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From: Sverre Torjussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to create device on diskette?
Date: 07 Jun 2000 11:00:48 +0200
Hi,
Thanks for your comments, Matt. I have tried to follow your advice
but I still get the same problems, e.g.
[root@wst_pc floppy]# cd; umount /mnt/floppy/; mount -o rw,dev /dev/fd0
/mnt/floppy; cd /mnt/floppy
[root@wst_pc floppy]# mknod -m 600 fd0 b 2 0
mknod: fd0: Operation not permitted
How can I find out whether the file system supports mknod?
FYI: I have done tests by mounting the floppy drive with msdos, vfat fs types
Do anyone have a more suitable fs type alternative?
FYI: The nodev option was not present /etc/fstab. fd0 extracts
# org
#/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner 0 0
# test
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,dev,owner 0 0
#/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto rw,noauto,dev,owner 0 0
# test
#/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,dev,rw,suid 0 0
#/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,dev,rw,owner 0 0
#/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,dev,suid 0 0
Thanks for any help.
Cheers,
//Sverre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows) writes:
> Several possiblilties exist. First, the filesystem on the floppy may not
> support device nodes. You can't use mknod if the floppy has a DOS
> filesystem on it. Second, the disk itself may be mounted with the
> "nodev" option. Check the fstab line for /dev/fd0 and make sure the
> "nodev" option isn't there. The man page for mount also states that if
> the "user" option is present, "nodev" is assumed, and you must change the
> option line like so:
>
> /dev/fd0 auto /mnt/floppy noauto,user,dev,suid 0 0
>
> Or you can mount the floppy manually as root, giving it the options you
> want instead of allowing fstab to determine things for you. This is
> probably the safest way to go.
Sverre Torjussen, seniorconsultant
WM-data Consulting AS
P.O. 1832 Myrene
N-4801 Arendal (Norway)
Phone office: +47 370 73706
Fax +47 370 73701
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Internet: www.wmdata.no
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A.Helleboid)
Subject: problem with auth (identd)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:17:09 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On a Redhat 6.2
Every 10 minutes I get a message in /var/log/messages :
saule inetd : auth/tcp : bind : adress already use
saule is the HOSTNAME
I use resolv.conf
When the system was installed, this message was not there.
I think it comes when I change the hostname.
I change it in HOSTNAME, /etc/sysconfig/network
the nslookup is good
and I have no problem to use the computer
Who can help me ?
Thanks
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From: "Andreas Moroder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: File table overflow
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:46:12 +0200
Hello,
every two weeks our linux server 2.0.35 that runs samba gives me the error
message
"File table overflow".
Can anyone tell me whats wrong and how I can solve this problem.
thank you
Andreas
P.S. please e-mail me
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From: Andrew Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: File table overflow
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 12:13:35 +0200
Someone else had this a few weeks ago and started a discussion in
news:comp.protocols.smb - maybe you should try and find that.
A question, since I can't remember what the result was: Does this message come
from Samba or the Kernel?
Another Q: What Samba level?
If it is a kernel message, you could try moving to 2.0.38 - I have used it
since it came out and it works fine. It is the latest 2.0.xx release.
Andreas Moroder wrote:
> Hello,
>
> every two weeks our linux server 2.0.35 that runs samba gives me the error
> message
>
> "File table overflow".
>
> Can anyone tell me whats wrong and how I can solve this problem.
>
> thank you
>
> Andreas
>
> P.S. please e-mail me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: File splitting (fwd)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:08:47 GMT
On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 07:35:31 GMT, Simon Kongshoj wrote:
> [ splitting a 15MB source tarball ]
>
> Do I need a dedicated file-splitter program for this, or is there some
> Smart And Cunning trick for tar that lets me do this with an existing
> tarball? [ ... ]
'split -b 1457664 source.tar.gz source.tar.gz-part-' to split,
'cat source.tar.gz-part-* > source.tar.gz' to glue it together.
See 'man split' for details.
HTH,
Thomas
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From: ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WANTED Epson Printer Driver
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:15:35 GMT
Beno�t Smith wrote:
> Edwin Johnson wrote:
>
> > That driver is included in the later versions of ghostscript. I have ver 5.1
> > on my computer and it as well as to other resolutions are on there. If your
> > version of ghostscript doesn't have the drivers, you probably should upgrade
> > for you can print with 360x, 720x, and 1440x resolutions.
> >
> > On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:39:51 +0200, Beno�t Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >Greetings,
> > >
> > >I am looking for the 'stc600p.upp' driver, for my Epson Stylus Color 640
> > >printer. Please could someone tell me where to find it ?
>
> Sorry. Actually, I have the driver (well hidden ;) in
> /usr/share/ghostscript/5.10). How should I configure ghostscript (or apsfilter
> ?) to use it ?
>
> --
>
> Beno�t Smith
> Just a Rhyme Without a Reason
There's a ton of really good stuff on the Epsons and Linux here:
http://dutera.et.tudelft.nl/~haver/linux/epson.html
It's specific to the 740, nevertheless, very useful.
Also, a Google search will turn up several dozen addies on getting it going.
Worked for me!
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Ray's Linux gordo.penguinpowered.com 2.3.99-pre9
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xdm locks machine?
Date: 7 Jun 2000 10:03:52 GMT
Kevin E Cosgrove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I recently changed my runlevel to 5, so that Xdm would start.
: Well, Xdm did start, but I couldn't type anything into the login
: screen. Clicking in the Xdm login prompt area, to gain focus,
: didn't help. Not only that, but none of the function keys did
: anything, so I couldn't switch screens to login. ctrl-alt-bksp
: did not abort the Xdm session. Not even ctrl-alt-del worked,
: and I had to power cycle.
: So, everything I mentioned not working (except Xdm of course)
: works just fine when I boot runlevel 3 and use startx.
: Why would this happen? How do I fix this?
Well, it seems as though xdm froze your system. I would rather
suspect a bug report is in order ...
: My system runs Linux 2.0.36 on a fully patched Redhat 5.1 Pentium
: machine. I'm using the XFree86-S3V-3.3.5-1.5.x X display driver
: with my S3 Virge card.
S3V ??? Surely you should be using SVGA?
Peter
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Linux uses lots of memory?
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 06:53:17 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb) writes:
>On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:53:34 GMT, M. Buchenrieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Run, yes. But certainly not with XFree86 running (at least, not in
>>a useable state).
> Pshaw. Be realistic, please.
I am. Running XFree86 with 8MB is only useful if you can't live
withound the sound of a HD being accessed continuously.
>>Don't run XFree86 with less than 64 MB at all.
> Don't tell my IBM Thinkpad 360csa with a whopping 20Mb of RAM. It ran X
>just fine. I found it quite usable.
[...]
Yes, you can get away with 20MB, using e.g. icewm or fvwm2 as your
window manager. But what else do you have to run to make it "usable"?
Usable fo what? After all, running the GUI isn't of any use if you aren't
running some apps - unless you just want to prove your point.
Yes, it is possible to run XFree86 in 8MB - if that's what you want
to say. But that doesn't make it a functional system - at lest, not in
my world. You don't need XFree86 unless you want to run Netscape or
some GUI-dependant office application, anyways, so why bother ?
All other apps are better and easier being managed on text terminals.
Michael
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From: "Eddie De Roos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xdm locks machine?
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:20:57 -0700
Check if there is a getty running on the same vt as your X-server...
"Kevin E Cosgrove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:OIe%4.2330$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I recently changed my runlevel to 5, so that Xdm would start.
> Well, Xdm did start, but I couldn't type anything into the login
> screen. Clicking in the Xdm login prompt area, to gain focus,
> didn't help. Not only that, but none of the function keys did
> anything, so I couldn't switch screens to login. ctrl-alt-bksp
> did not abort the Xdm session. Not even ctrl-alt-del worked,
> and I had to power cycle.
>
> So, everything I mentioned not working (except Xdm of course)
> works just fine when I boot runlevel 3 and use startx.
>
> Why would this happen? How do I fix this?
>
> My system runs Linux 2.0.36 on a fully patched Redhat 5.1 Pentium
> machine. I'm using the XFree86-S3V-3.3.5-1.5.x X display driver
> with my S3 Virge card.
>
> --
> Unless otherwise noted, the statements herein reflect my personal
> opinions and not those of any organization with which I may be affiliated.
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From: YamYam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PHP+MySQL vs. PHP+PostgreSQL
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:30:09 GMT
Pls., can anybody tell me what are diffrences/benefits of using one of the two:
1. MySQL.
2. PostgreSQL.
with php 4.0
I've each of them -latest versions- installed on redhat 6.2. So what is the
differences between them, with respect to:
a. Which one is more powerfull. -MySQL, or PostgreSQL-
b. Which one is more well integrated with php 4.0.
c. Which one is faster than the other.
d. Which one has the brightest future.
e. etc.
Thanx in advance for ur help.
-YamYam.
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Serious fragmentation under Linux
Date: 07 Jun 2000 02:16:26 -0800
MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Art's explanation made a bunch of this more understandable, but everyone
>seemed to miss the point that I was talking about a single-user
>workstation setup, used primarily as learning tool.
I don't think that was missed at all! Just as fragmentation is
not the same beast on a multiuser system that it is on a single
user system, neither is a "single-user workstation setup"
similar to a single user operating system. Instead it really is
just a scaled down server, which is what you are assuming it is
different from.
The "single-user workstation" is still *very* much functioning
as a multiuser system. Your login user processes are probably a
relatively small percentage of the entire day's cpu load. Just
as you mentioned that only a "few dozen" processes are running
on your machine after Peter said 100, it is the unseen detail
that makes a difference. There are many many processes, running
under the mantle of a number of different users, that are
started up and run to completion on a periodic or random basis.
At any given moment you can run top or ps and see a snapshot of
what is there. But that does not show how many processes are
intermittently being run to completion and exiting, usually
fast enough and with a small enough cpu load that top will
never see them.
On a single user system you are the one and the only user of any
kind. On a Linux box you might just be the only user that has
an interactive login session, but there are always several active
users, even on what appears to be an inactive machine. (Take
it down to single user mode if you want to do something that
*must* guarantee no other users!)
There are a couple of ways you can get a hint of what is going
on in the background, though a total and specific picture isn't
provided this way either. Run "ps -aux" and carefully look at
what all is running (at that instant). You can also run top,
though it is only showing you the one page sized list of the
most active processes.
But run "date & sleep 1" at some inceasingly longer intervals,
such as 5 minutes, then 10 minutes, then 30, then 60. Each time
it will show you the process ID if the backgrounded process for
the date command. (Note that the PID will wrap around at about
32,000 and start with the lowest currently unused number again.)
I just did this on my box, and in two minutes the PID assigned
was incremented by 116 processes. And all that is going on at
the moment is me writing this article...
This is a "single user workstation", which at that moment had
one interactive process being actively used, but which ran
approximately 50 processes per minute doing something in addition
to those which are permanently running (and top says there are
currently 69 active processes, 68 of which are sleeping).
My box might be a little less sleepy during dull moments than
yours is, but even yours is probably very much alive and active
even when you are not. *THAT* is what makes a multiuser OS like
unix so nice!
>In any case, I
>believe I now understand why fragmentation is not much of an issue with
>regards to a server system. Disk access patterns in a multi-user
>environment essentially mimic the patterns of a single user system that
>is fragmented--there is no point in beating a dead horse. Thanks for
>the time you spent with your response.
My own move from a single user OS to unix was 15 years ago, but
I still remember the jolt to one's whole mindset that it causes
as the ramifications of "multiuser" begin to really sink in.
Programming takes on whole new dimensions when you have to
consider locks and other practical aspects of sharing resources.
Floyd
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 7 Jun 2000 10:52:53 GMT
In article <8h2r1j$t60$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Out of mild interest, I took a look at a few of the headers. All these
> Eliza-like posts seem to come from the same source, irrespective of the sig:
>
> Path: news.inf.uc3m.es!news-2.rediris.es!news.rediris.es!news-ge.switch.ch!
> bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!
> diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!152.163.239.129!
> portc01.blue.aol.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!
> extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn
>
> The last bit is the source.
>
> I tried to avoid saying "this person needs help". Instead I'll suggest
> he needs a few core files sent his way, after a quick search for his
> real address on deja!
Just killfile on the appropriate path elements or some other suitable
bit of the header (or even set up a cancelbot. >:^) I have the whole
of the comp.os.os2.* hierarchy killed this way for raving fuckwitism...
Donal.
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-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 7 Jun 2000 10:45:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dowe Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yea, I get pretty tired after about 100 lines of code with comment's in
> this vien:
>
> print "\t$header\n"; # Print the header.
>
> This probibly comes from people who had programming instructors like mine
> that would take points away if you didn't have a comment for every
> instruction.
Well, I'd be docking marks (and possibly giving a scathing mini-
-lecture too) for that sort of trick. Comments should express the
high-level meaning and intentional behaviour of the code, and not act
as mechanisms of obfuscation.
> There are situations however where a comment can help one figure out what
> a particular algorithm is doing.
>
> My meathod FWIW is to put a comment at the start of the program telling
> what the program is supposed to do, and how to get ahold of me. A comment
> at the beginning of every function explaining what the function does and
> how it fits into the general scheme of things, and a comment or two about
> any particularly nasty or clever crocks (This comment is usually followed
> by a plea for someone to fix this please :).
An excellent tactic that is (apparently) applied in the Java libraries
and is certainly applied in the Tcl/Tk sources.
> BTW: I use perl, and I happen to think that perl can be just as readable
> as any other programming language.
If you can get over its over-fondness for line-noise... :^)
Donal.
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realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
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