Linux-Misc Digest #757, Volume #24 Fri, 9 Jun 00 04:13:02 EDT
Contents:
apache problem? (Jeff Lacki)
Re: IPChains Magic (Steffen Kluge)
Re: apache problem? (Akira Yamanita)
Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Re: Modem, Soundcard, and Zip Drive Problems (Donald K Knepshield)
Re: What? (was: OH YES, Linux RULES....) (Michael Hofmann)
Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8ystein?= Gyland)
NEWBIE considering Linux (Ryan)
Re: RealJukeBox for Linux? (Ryan)
Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: RH6.1 and /etc/cron.daily question (NDQ)
Re: *********S.O.S.*********** (Nate Coleman)
Re: NEWBIE considering Linux ("michael ottaway")
Re: Cycas: How to save homemade symbols (Koos Pol)
Re: Timestamp discrepancy (Koos Pol)
Re: cfdisk tells nonsense, fdisk lies? (Christoph Kukulies)
Re: What distribution is most popular? (Michael Daly)
Re: NEWBIE considering Linux (Neurocrat)
Re: win2k and lilo ("Stefano Gragnani")
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From: Jeff Lacki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: apache problem?
Date: 9 Jun 2000 05:08:22 GMT
I just installed RedHat 6.2 on 2 different PC's.
I cant seem to get web access to work on either
machine. The message says:
Forbidden
You dont have permission to access / on this server
Now I checked /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf and it appears just
fine. I did have to tweak the ScriptAlias line slightly as it
contained an extra pair of ", but that dealt with cgi-bin, not
html. I have proper permissions set on the documentroot directory
as well.
Is this a known bug in RH 6.2?
TIA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffen Kluge)
Subject: Re: IPChains Magic
Date: 9 Jun 2000 05:03:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There is an ftp filter for IPChains installed. How the heck does it
>know to do a redir when the server opens a port back for file
>transfere? You could have knocked me down with a sledgehammer!
Maybe your ipchains are configured for masquerading. Use
ipchains -L -M to find out.
Cheers
Steffen.
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Steffen Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fujitsu Australia Ltd
Keywords: photography, Mozart, UNIX, Islay Malt, dark skies
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: apache problem?
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 05:26:29 GMT
Jeff Lacki wrote:
>
> I just installed RedHat 6.2 on 2 different PC's.
> I cant seem to get web access to work on either
> machine. The message says:
>
> Forbidden
>
> You dont have permission to access / on this server
>
> Now I checked /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf and it appears just
> fine. I did have to tweak the ScriptAlias line slightly as it
> contained an extra pair of ", but that dealt with cgi-bin, not
> html. I have proper permissions set on the documentroot directory
> as well.
>
> Is this a known bug in RH 6.2?
>
> TIA
At least one person reported the following to be the source
of the problem.
This is from a post in linux.redhat by Jan Johansson:
Yep, Linuxconf shipped with Rh6.2 is buggy. It destroys httpd.conf on
many systems (altough i do not know what the "trigger factor" is for
this bug)
Search httpd.conf for "Files" and you will find the
<Files ... ... ... > header
which is SUPPOSED to look like this
<Files ~ "^\.ht">
if it looks any other way, edit it, restart apache (FULL stop/start,
not restart) and never use linuxconf again. (or atleast not until
redhat has declared this a bug)
Or use the "real" linuxconf and not Redhats bastardized version.
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Subject: Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 05:43:53 GMT
"Kent A. Signorini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've been contemplating a full switchover to Linux on my home PC but have
> been reluctant due to some things I've seen with some test installs I've
> done and also not having some questions answered. I'm tired of my current
> OS crashing and I need someone to answer these final questions before I take
> the plunge. Please e-mail me your responses if possible. Thanks in
> advance. Some of these questions are techie and some are philosophical, but
> here goes:
>
> 1 & 2) Which is a better desktop environment to use, GNOME or KDE, and why?
It's a matter of taste. Try both and see which one you like...
>
> 3 & 4) I've installed RH 6.2 with both GNOME and KDE and found that the
> graphical sign-on screen defaults to GNOME. Is it possible to change the
> default to KDE? And also, how would I change the GNOME logo on the sign-on
> screen to reflect KDE if I go that way?
Change the content of the file /etc/sysconfig/desktop to 'KDE' to use
kdm program instead.
>
> 5) To get Linux to recognize my ULTRA/66 (Promise PCI) controller card I've
> downloaded the 2.2.15 kernel, patched it for using UDMA (the patch had no
> errors) and rebuilt the kernel by choosing the same options as the default
> RH 6.2 - 2.2.14 kernel (using make xconfig and copying the default
> configuration file into linux-2.2.14 as .config) but once I build the 2.2.15
> kernel I can no longer use my sound card and many of the network modules
> give depmod dependency errors on boot. Can someone tell me why this might
> be happening. To build the kernel I do a: make xconfig, make dep, make
> clean then reboot. Then make modules, make modules_install, then reboot.
> All this is done in /usr/src/linux which is symlinked to
> /usr/src/linux-2.2.15 which has the patched source tree in it.
Use something like 'depmod -v' to see which modules directory the
kernel is reading from and check if the sound modules exist in there.
>
> 6) What would you suggest as replacement Linux app's for:
>
> MS-Office 97 (I have many documents with complex drawing elements on
> them -- lines/boxes/etc. done in Word97)
Take your pick from StarOffice, Word Perfect, or Applixware.
> Photoshop
'Gimp' is the closest here although it doesn't have CMYK capabilites.
It is probably adequate for stuff like web graphics but not for
publishing.
> Allaire Homesite (for html editing)
I like using Quanta(a KDE app.)
> Thumbs Plus
> WinRAR
> Winamp
Not sure what Thumbs Plus and WinRAR are but XMMS is a good comparison
to Winamp.
> GetRight
> a good FTP client (I'm sure there is no shortage of these)
Not sure what GetRight is but I prefer ncftp for a FTP client.
> a RealPlayer
There is a RealPlayer for Linux at the Real Networks website.
> a VIVO player
Not sure of this one.
> an mpg player
Use Xamin or aKtion
> a DVD player
Probably none available due to those legal problems one hears about.
> CD-burning software for data and music
XCDRoast is one that I have used.
In general, I suggest you peruse through TUCOWS/Linux and Freshmeat
websites for what interests you.
>
> 7) Is Netscape the only good browser in Linux? I'm partial to IE5 because
> it handles pages better then Netscape (IMHO) and has more features. I
> design web sites part-time and need to be able to see both types of
> extensions.
The KDE browser is getting quite good in the upcoming KDE2
release. The browser was pretty stable last I tried it.
>
> 8 & 9) I've installed my current setup in 1024x768x16m and find that the
> fonts on web pages in Netscape for Linux show up much smaller than using
> Netscape or IE in Windows 98. Why? How can I fix this without going to
> 800x600?
Find a RPM called mozilla-fonts which will fix this.
>
> 10) Is there any problem using VFAT drives full-time while in Linux? My
> wife has a large amount of data already on a VFAT drive and I would hate to
> have to convert it to ext2.
Linux can access VFAT partitions fine so no conversion is
necessary. However Windows cannot acces Linux partitions without
add-on drivers.
>
> 11) Is RH 6.2 a good choice for a distribution? I've looked at Corel Linux
> running at a store and it's a very clean desktop compared to the RH 6.2
> installed one but I think it's based on Debian and I'm not sure if RH is
> better or what.
RedHat is a good all-around distribution but Corel Linux aims for the
desktop.
>
> 12) Has anyone used VMWARE and does it work well?
I've seen it work. It works well if you have lots of ram since Windows
needs a good chunk of memory in addition to that of Linux and X-Windows.
>
> 13) How about WINE?
Doesn't work as well as VMWARE and it is still work in progress. But
it is free...
>
> 14) What is the maximum size for an ext2 partition? I tried to create a
> 10GB
> "/" partition on my HD and it wouldn't let me go past 8GB during a RH 6.2
> install.
What you may got was a warning related to the 1024 cylinder limit of
the LILO boot-loader. Could you create another Linux partition beyond
that point? The ext2 partition can handle 2 Terabytes I think!
>
> 15) Is there anything else I should know?????
>
You shouldn't do a full switchover until you get very comfortable
using Linux and it does everything you need. There are many
applications not yet available for Linux but it is getting better. I
suggest you dual-boot for some time until you feel ready.
> Thank you to anyone who can answer some of these questions for me. Please
> e-mail me your responses at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you can. It's VERY
> appreciated!
>
> Kent A. Signorini
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Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donald K Knepshield)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Modem, Soundcard, and Zip Drive Problems
Date: 9 Jun 2000 05:36:22 GMT
mst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
:
:
: Donald K Knepshield wrote:
: (deletia)
: > I heard Corel doesn't support ISA cards well, if at all(..)
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:
: Huh?!? How can a specific distribution *not* support ISA cards? It's
: just like saying some distro doesn't support the CPU, or memory, or
: serial ports.
:
: MST
I apologize for not being more clear. I was referring to "out of the
box" support for many devices. I had seem some early reviews that had
mentioned this, and I actually tried the distro, and had some problems. I
didn't try too hard to get things working, as RedHat could configure most
of my hardware out of the box. I do stand corrected.
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Kevin Knepshield
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Hofmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What? (was: OH YES, Linux RULES....)
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 07:51:24 +0200
Steve Wolfe wrote:
>
> After severe and repeated power outages all day at my home <...>
>
> So, I'm mucking around looking for damage, when I find that the *entire*
> /boot file system had been lost. Everything.... but there I was, booted up
> and running. Of course, some things complained about the System.map and the
> like, but I was still into a position to wget the latest kenel source (good
> thing 2.2.16 came out today)...
>
> Yeah, like I could still boot up my Windows machine if something like that
> happened.
What are you trying to tell us? Windows doesn't lose data on power
outages, Linux does. This is one of the weak points of Linux, unless one
has a journaling filesystem installed.
Though most of the time you can recover Linux with fsck, sometimes it's
just doesn't work. This is when you hope your last backup is complete &
functional.
Have fun,
Michael
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8ystein?= Gyland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 08:54:10 +0200
"Prasanth A. Kumar" wrote:> GetRight
> Not sure what GetRight is but I prefer ncftp for a FTP client.
wget
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�ystein Gyland
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From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NEWBIE considering Linux
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 06:30:03 GMT
Hello all,
I apologize for disturbing everyone with newbie questions, but I'm sure
that someone out there will be glad to help. I have only Windoze
experience. I am getting a new comp (Dell P3 650mhz) and I am inexplicably
tempted to try out Linux. I have read that you can partition hard drives
and run Win98 and Linux on the same machine? I don't know much about MS-
Dos, so I am a little leery of screwing things up. Is there something
like "the" book to read, or "the" website to visit? What do I need to know
in order to not ruin anything? Thanks for your time!
Ryan
"Long live Napster!" - George Washington
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From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RealJukeBox for Linux?
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 06:30:03 GMT
FYI- Real Jukebox makes very good mp3's. Simply open your options and de-
select "secure files" option. All of your files will be saved in "generic"
mp3 format. Rock on.
Ryan
"Long Live Napster!" - George Washington
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help
Date: 9 Jun 2000 06:37:52 GMT
Kent A. Signorini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: 1 & 2) Which is a better desktop environment to use, GNOME or KDE, and why?
Silly, indeed stupid, question. What's your beef with icewm?
: 3 & 4) I've installed RH 6.2 with both GNOME and KDE and found that the
: graphical sign-on screen defaults to GNOME. Is it possible to change the
: default to KDE? And also, how would I change the GNOME logo on the sign-on
: screen to reflect KDE if I go that way?
Yes it's possible. Just change the x login manager started in that run
level. If I were you I'd run kdm instead of prefdm (is that gnome's?).
: 5) To get Linux to recognize my ULTRA/66 (Promise PCI) controller card I've
: downloaded the 2.2.15 kernel, patched it for using UDMA (the patch had no
: errors) and rebuilt the kernel by choosing the same options as the default
: RH 6.2 - 2.2.14 kernel (using make xconfig and copying the default
: configuration file into linux-2.2.14 as .config) but once I build the 2.2.15
You have to run "make oldconfig" at this point.
: kernel I can no longer use my sound card and many of the network modules
: give depmod dependency errors on boot. Can someone tell me why this might
: be happening. To build the kernel I do a: make xconfig, make dep, make
Because you fouled up.
: clean then reboot. Then make modules, make modules_install, then reboot.
: All this is done in /usr/src/linux which is symlinked to
: /usr/src/linux-2.2.15 which has the patched source tree in it.
If you did what you say you did then you canot get dependency errors.
So we deduce that you did not do what you say you did _successfully_.
It looks as though your target dir did not have space for everything.
: 6) What would you suggest as replacement Linux app's for:
: MS-Office 97 (I have many documents with complex drawing elements on
vim/emacs + latex + xfig.
: them -- lines/boxes/etc. done in Word97)
: Photoshop
gimp.
: Allaire Homesite (for html editing)
netscape composer
: Thumbs Plus
: WinRAR
: Winamp
: GetRight
Never heard of the above.
: a good FTP client (I'm sure there is no shortage of these)
ncftp.
: a RealPlayer
realplayer.
: a VIVO player
What is it?
: an mpg player
isn't that the province of xanim and friends.
: a DVD player
Go to the dvd pages ...
: CD-burning software for data and music
cdparanoia.
: 7) Is Netscape the only good browser in Linux? I'm partial to IE5 because
I use lynx.
: it handles pages better then Netscape (IMHO) and has more features. I
: design web sites part-time and need to be able to see both types of
: extensions.
In that case you need to see less. You should be using amaya (the www's
official instrument) to check the html for validity. You must not use
extensions of any kind.
: 8 & 9) I've installed my current setup in 1024x768x16m and find that the
: fonts on web pages in Netscape for Linux show up much smaller than using
: Netscape or IE in Windows 98. Why? How can I fix this without going to
: 800x600?
Use different fonts. See the FDU-HOWTO.
: 10) Is there any problem using VFAT drives full-time while in Linux? My
: wife has a large amount of data already on a VFAT drive and I would hate to
: have to convert it to ext2.
No problem, apart from the obvious point that it does't support unix
concepts like owner, permissions, ...
: 11) Is RH 6.2 a good choice for a distribution? I've looked at Corel Linux
Nope.
: running at a store and it's a very clean desktop compared to the RH 6.2
: installed one but I think it's based on Debian and I'm not sure if RH is
: better or what.
Better find out then! (this is another silly question).
Note that there are at least three very different versions of corel.
The smallest is about 200MB in size.
: 12) Has anyone used VMWARE and does it work well?
No, nobody has used vmware and it really doesn't work at all </end
sarcasm>.
: 13) How about WINE?
Ditto.
: 14) What is the maximum size for an ext2 partition? I tried to create a
Some terabytes.
: 10GB
: "/" partition on my HD and it wouldn't let me go past 8GB during a RH 6.2
: install.
You tried to make a root partition above 1024 cylinders. ... please
listen to the shouts of agony. Your bios canot jump there. Desist.
Stop.
Try using a proper disk partitioner. Your / partition should be about
64MB. Your /boot partition should be about 16MB and should be first on
disk (with 1024 cyl of the zero secttor anyway). /usr should be about
2GB for RH.
: 15) Is there anything else I should know?????
Everything.
Peter
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From: NDQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH6.1 and /etc/cron.daily question
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 08:49:52 +0200
Reply-To: NDQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mail and News lists wrote:
>
> Show a part of your /etc/crontab Basically you have to do
> 0 1 * * * <command> <arguments>
> see
> man cron
> Also you can use
> crontab -e
> to edit and place your cronjobs (you do need to know how to set up cronjobs for
>that) if the jobs are done by users. System cronjobs are defined in /etc/crontab
>
Thank you very much :-)
Q.
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From: Nate Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *********S.O.S.***********
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:07:35 -0400
On Sun, 04 Jun 2000, N/A wrote:
>Config Error: /root/xf86Config: 311
> Vertfresh (null)
> ^^^^^
>Vertical Refresh Value Expected
>X Convert to :0x0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
>
>
>desribes the error when i log into Corel linux as root or my
>username........... how can i change this or any info is helpful.....luvya
>thanks.
>
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Line should read VertRefresh xx-xxx (where 'x' would be the numbers from the
monitor's specs)
i.e VertRefresh 50-120
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From: "michael ottaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NEWBIE considering Linux
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 02:12:49 -0500
Hi Ryan
You can most defintely run windows and Linux on the same computer and it
isn't hard to set it up to do so. The newest Linux distributions will walk
you through the partitioning durning installation so it is a snap. When you
turn on your computer it will ask you which operating system you want to
boot into. These distro's will also have good manuals to get you going. A
Pratical Guide to Linux by Mark Sobell is a good book and your local box
store will surely have others. Some of the distributions worth checking out
are
www.calderasystems.com
www.suse.com
www.redhat.com
www.linux-mandrake.com
www.corel.com
There are others but these tend to be very good for beginners and easily
installed.
Here are a few sites to check out but remember they are quiet a few out
there at are very helpful plus these newsgroups so if you run into a problem
you will be able to get an answer.
www.linuxnewbie.org
www.slashdot.org
www.linux.com
Hope you will give it a try and with a little time I would venture to say
that you will like it over windows
Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Koos Pol)
Subject: Re: Cycas: How to save homemade symbols
Date: 9 Jun 2000 07:05:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:52:07 -0400, Brian Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Koos Pol wrote:
| >
| > I have a questions concerning Cycas 2.0:
| >
| > How can I save a home made symbol? In the Symbol menu, pressing the Save
| > button does not give me a file dialog to store the symbol on disk.
|
| After you press save you'll notice that the menu changes to the SELECT
| menu which means you have to select those elements you want to save as a
| symbol. As you select them they turn white (default). When you are
| finished selecting click on OK (towards the bottom on the right). Now
| the SAVE file dialog comes up for you to name the Symbol and save it.
|
| Brian
Hi Brian,
Thanks for clearing up there is something wrong indeed. Up until the last
line, it goes as you tell me. But I don't get the SAVE file dialog. It
reverts back to the Symbol menu.
Now this is on SuSE 6.4. I will try it on RH and see if it makes a
difference. Thanks for your help so far!
Koos Pol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Koos Pol)
Subject: Re: Timestamp discrepancy
Date: 9 Jun 2000 07:08:26 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:29:42 -0500, Mike Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| We have two Dell boxes that came preinstalled with Red Hat 6.1. On one
| of the boxes there is a discrepancy between the timestamp given to a
| files creation and the system time. If we do a 'date' or a 'hwclock
| --show', the time returned is local time, as desired. However, if we
| create a file using 'touch' the timestamp on the file is GMT (local time
| +5). We have tried timeconfig to no avail. Any help? Thanks.
Check the TZ variable.
Koos Pol
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From: Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cfdisk tells nonsense, fdisk lies?
Date: 9 Jun 2000 07:34:34 GMT
Collin W. Hitchcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 4982 cylinders
:> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
:>
:> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
:> /dev/hda1 * 1 255 2048256 6 FAT16
:> /dev/hda2 256 4982 37969627+ 5 Extended
:> /dev/hda5 256 258 24066 83 Linux
:> /dev/hda6 259 324 530113+ 82 Linux swap
:> /dev/hda7 325 707 3076416 83 Linux
:> Why does fdisk show me the (imo unpartitioned space as a extended
:> partition of 37969627+ 5 Extended
: Your configuration appears reasonable. Your confusion results from a
: poor understanding of the (screwed up) PC partition scheme. Check out
: the following for info:
: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Partition-3.html
: Start reading at "The number of partitions on an Intel based system
: was limited from the very beginning..."
My greatest concern at the moment is whether I can safely use the
linux fdisk (cfdisk is ruled out due to that obscure error)
from the installed RH 6.1 installation (note that my kernel
is already 2.2.14) to assign the rest of the disk (which is
flagged as being an extended partition) to a linux partition.
: Collin
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From: Michael Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]*del*>
Subject: Re: What distribution is most popular?
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:40:04 +1200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*del*
Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>a monitor driver ??? there are no drivers in linux (only modules) and
>certainly no monitor drivers. Had you installed Debian or Slack and gotten
>X to work you wouldn't be writing such things.
Ok, ok, so I'll call it a module then.
However you wish to term it, my monitor was not supported, but
I was able to enter the refresh rate ranges from the old manual.
I've installed Sco-Unix and even Xenix in the dim & distant past.
This time I wanted a distribution that was dead easy to install,
which SuSe 6.4 turned out to be.
Michael Daly
http://crash.ihug.co.nz/~mikedaly
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Subject: Re: NEWBIE considering Linux
From: Neurocrat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 09 Jun 2000 18:54:30 +1000
Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ... I am inexplicably tempted to try out Linux.
Good move.
> Is there something like "the" book to read, or
> "the" website to visit? What do I need to know in order to not ruin
> anything? Thanks for your time!
It's pretty easy to find detailed documentation on just about anything
in Linux. The problem is sorting through a huge volume of info to find
exactly what you're looking for.
Most people who switch over from Windows to Linux find it heavy at
first. Often you'll be scanning the documentation looking for a simple
answer to a simple question, only to find the simple answer buried
under a mountain of highly technical arcana you'll never need. We've
all been there. It takes patience to find exactly what you're looking
for, but you can be pretty sure it's out there somewhere.
Actually installing and setting up Linux is getting easier all the
time. I'd recommend getting a Linux distribution on CD-ROM. I predict
you'll get a lot of people advising you to go with RedHat or Corel
because of their graphical installation routines, but IMO that's bad
advice. I think it's best to start off with a clean and minimal system
like Slackware. The installation routine doesn't have a fancy GUI, but
it gets the job done. Using a distro like Slackware will teach you far
more about Linux than RedHat or Mandrake, or any of the other
elaborately graphical distros.
My advice is buy a CD and follow the instructions. It's easy when you
know how, and the only way to know how is to try. Be prepared to fail
a few times. When starting out, you'll learn more from your failures
than from your successes. But if you're no more stupid than average,
you'll have Linux up and running in a day at most.
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Reply-To: "Stefano Gragnani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Stefano Gragnani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: win2k and lilo
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:47:27 +0200
Thanks for reply me but the solution is not that. My drive 0x80 is the SCSI
disk and the 0x81 the IDE disk and I have just used the "disk=... bios=..."
in lilo.conf but without solution.
Thanks
Stefano
"John in SD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Stefano,
>
> Before going any further: LILO uses only the BIOS to boot, so it must
know
> the device codes the BIOS has assigned to your drives.
>
> Mixed IDE and SCSI systems are often a problem, as LILO will not likely
know
> which drive is 0x80 and which is 0x81.
>
> With the 21.4.3 LILO distribution, do a "make floppy" to produce the
> diagnostic disk. You will need to install nasm to be able to do this.
>
> Boot the floppy, and see which disk is which.
>
> Your 'lilo.conf' file may need lines in the global section something like
> these:
>
> ...
> disk=/dev/sda
> bios=0x80
> disk=/dev/hda
> bios=0x81
> ...
>
> I really can't tell from what you said which disk is 0x80 and which is
0x81.
>
> I don't know if this is the entire problem, but I have heard from a lot of
> folks with SCSI / IDE, and the above (or vice versa on the device codes)
is
> usually the solution.
>
> --John Coffman
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:17:45 +0200, "Stefano Gragnani"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >I have tried to use lilo in order to make the boot of Win2000 but he does
> >not work and I have tried to use the bootloader of Win2000 for booting
> >Linux but the nothing (to keep in mind that on another PC I have WinNT4
and
> >Linux 6.1 RedHat and use the boot loader of NT without problems). I
have
> >installed lilo 21.4.3 after the 1024 cylinder and all is OK in the sense
> >that if at the prompt of lilo I make to run Linux goes all good but if
I
> >make to run Win2000 nothing, the lilo prompt reappear. On the PC I have
2
> >disks, one SCSIUltra2 (IBM 20GB) and one ATA66 (IBM 20GB), under Win2000
the
> >SCSI disk is C and the ATA disk is D. C is formatted NTFS and D is
> >formatted FAT (between the other this last one comes regularly mounted
under
> >Linux). C is the boot disc of Win2000. Before installing I have
> >partitioned the disks: C all for Win2000 (sigh!! cursed job), D 10 GB
Linux
> >(2 partitions: root and swap) and 10 GB for a FAT partition. During the
> >installation of Win2000 I have said to format all C like NTFS and the
> >partition of 10 GB on D as FAT. I wanted that ALL Win2000 was on C and
> >nothing on the FAT on D, instead the cursed one has installed Win2000 all
on
> >C except the bootloader NTLDR, the file boot.ini etc that instead have
them
> >putting on the FAT on D. I have tried to modify lilo.conf but with not
> >resolutive outcomes.
> >
> >Thanks to anyone me wants to answer
> >Stefano
> >
> >... sorry for the english!!!
> >
> >N.B.
> > At the LILO prompt if I type win2k (that is the label that I have
> >specified in lilo.conf) I get the message NTLDR NOT FOUND.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> LILO version 21.4.3 (06-May-2000) source at
> ftp: sd.dynhost.com dir: /pub/linux/lilo
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