Linux-Misc Digest #881, Volume #24 Wed, 21 Jun 00 12:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Netscape & Video ("Stu")
Re: Windows Utility to Read Linux Formatted Disks: Does One Exist? (Fabrice Colin)
Re: The future of sound on Linux: ALSA or OSS? ("Craig Andrews")
Re: udf in kernel but what then (Eric)
mirroring ide disk (Marcos Lloret)
Corel Install Just Dies (Tom Loach)
Re: Danger in running fsck on a mounted filesystem -- SOLVED ("D F")
vixie cron stalls for hours (Carl Benson)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (David Gallardo)
HELP: how to obtain the IP-address of eth0? (jim claes)
Re: graphics without xwindows? (Kari Pahula)
No eth0:0 alias in routing table ("Thomer M. Gil")
Re: one way password encryption (Kari Pahula)
Fonts ("Sam Grossberg")
Uninstall LILO? (gtada)
Re: Another one from LILO! (Leonard Evens)
Re: Fonts (Boddhisatva Troutwaxer)
Re: Fonts (Hal Burgiss)
Re: RH6.2 - Odd problem with man files (Eric Rountree)
Re: Windows Utility to Read Linux Formatted Disks: Does One Exist? (Travis)
Re: mounting as NTFS (Yao Wang)
Re: Source code for TOP (David Malone)
Upgrade from Mandrake 7.0 (Air) to Mandrake 7.1 (Helium): Painless? ("D. D.
Brierton")
Upgrade from Mandrake 7.0 (Air) to Mandrake 7.1 (Helium): Painless? ("D. D.
Brierton")
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From: "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse
Subject: Netscape & Video
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:13:02 +0100
Hi All,
I have two problems with my new Suse 6.4 Linux system:
1) How do I have multiple email accounts set-up under Netscape??
2) If I view .JPG files they appear with good colour depth and are as good
as Windows running on my hardware (32 bit colour mode). However, if I view
any type of video format (.mpg, .avi etc) under Linux I get a jerky image on
playback and strange 'blocks' of colour appear randomly in the video window.
This effect is regardless of Linux distribution (Redhat, Suse, Mandrake
etc.). This leads me to think that the mach64 server isn't working properly,
but if this is the case, why does KDE and other image files display
correctly?? My graphics card is an Xpert 98 8MB AGP card. Thanx in advance
for all helpful ideas.......
Regards,
Stu
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From: Fabrice Colin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows Utility to Read Linux Formatted Disks: Does One Exist?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:18:26 +0100
Travis wrote:
> I have a single text file on a linux partition that i need in Windows. I
> can't get my modem working under Linux, and I don't know how to use the
> DOS connectivity stuff. Are there any Windows programs that can read a
> linux disk?
LinuxExplorer is The Way (TM).
Don't remember where to get it, but your preferred search engine should
point
you to the right direction.
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From: "Craig Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: The future of sound on Linux: ALSA or OSS?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:32:23 +0100
Only problem I have is that Quake seg-faults with the Alsa driver, but not
the OSS ;-)
Craig
David Steuber wrote in message ...
>I have a small dilemma. I plan to upgrade the kernel on my laptop
>computer which is running SuSE 6.2. The SuSE distro includes OSS in
>the pay section ( not the same as the kernel OSS ). The OSS is the
>only way I have gotten sound to work on my laptop with the 2.2.10
>kernel that SuSE 6.2 ships with. OSS will ONLY work with the SuSE
>2.2.10 kernel (SuSE patches the code somehow). OTOH, there is ALSA.
>It is also included in the SuSE 6.2 package. But it is free. So I
>went to the http://www.alsa-project.org/ site and got the latest
>release, which is several revs later than the one on the SuSE 6.2
>CDs.
>
>I haven't built it yet. What I want to know is how well ALSA works
>with sound cards, particularly chip sets used in laptop computers ( I
>have a Gateway Solo 5150 ). I also want to know how compatible ALSA
>is with the OSS architecture. Most, if not all, audio software I have
>uses the OSS architecture. That includes not just /dev/dsp and
>family, but the ioctl calls defined in soundcard.h. Does ALSA support
>the OSS architecture well enough for these programs to keep working?
>
>Has anyone got the appropriate settings to get a kernel build of
>2.2.16 for sound to work on a Solo 5150? 2.4.0 will be out soon. I
>plan to wait a few months before stepping up to the 2.4.x series. I
>have a USB device I would love to have working ;-)
>
>--
>David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
>NRA Member | a hoploholic.
>
>All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
> -- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: udf in kernel but what then
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:31:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I have add udf-driver in kernel.
> but what goes on.
> how can i mount cdroms with udf filesystem?
mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
>
> is it also possible to write on udf cdroms?
as far as I know this is not yet possible.
Eric
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From: Marcos Lloret <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: mirroring ide disk
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:44:13 GMT
hi,
anybody knows how to make a mirroring ide disk in RH6?? i have
already installed all the system in a 8Gb ide disk and i want to
configure a mirroring with a disk of 13Gb.
how can i do it??
thanks,
marcos
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Loach)
Subject: Corel Install Just Dies
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:35:06 GMT
I'm trying to install the Standard version of Corel. Since my pc
doesn't boot from CD ROM, I used the boot diskette. I get an opening
screen telling me it's loading the OS and then just dies.
Does it just take an long time to load or is there something else
causing the problem? I sent a email message to corel, but haven't
heard from them yet (so much for 2 business day turnaround).
Thanks,
Tom
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From: "D F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Danger in running fsck on a mounted filesystem -- SOLVED
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:55:32 -0400
Villy Kruse wrote in message ...
>On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:31:07 -0400,
> Fluri Dave
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>>Firstly, let me thank Matt (Dances with Crows) for his
>>thoughtful and helpful contributions in this matter.
>>
>>Okay, I tried letting it fsck the root in ro and it didn't
>>make a whit of difference. So I scoured the file I'd
>>suspected earlier
>>
>> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
>>
>>more closely. In particular, I compared the invocations of
>>fsck in the general boot section versus the fast boot
>>section. In the end, after reading the man pages to
decipher
>>the various switches, I changed
>>
>> fsck -T -a $fsckoptions / -- -C 0
>>
>>to
>>
>> fsck -T -a $fsckoptions -- -C 0
>>
>>and this solved my troubles nicely. Apparently, somehow
that
>>explicit reference to the root got included in that
command
>>string, forcing a check of it on each and every boot. It's
>>really unnecessary, since the -a flag makes fsck roll
>>through the fstab entries when not cleanly umounted or
when
>>their time is up, anyway...
>>
>
>
>
>There are supposed to be two fsck commands in rc.sysinit.
One for the
>root quite early before doing most anything else including
re-mounting
>the root rw. Much later the other file systems are checked
before
>mounting the /usr and the other file systems. Skipping
fsck when
>required is also dangerous, as continued usage of a damaged
file system
>will case even more damage, which can't be repaired,
whereas if you fsck
>early enough the damage can be easily repaired in most
cases. If you
>combine everything into one big root file system it is even
more important
>to do fsck when the system thinks it is required. A pure
root filesystem
>without /usr, /var, /home, /root, or any other data file
system does not
>get updated very often, and runs a much lower risk of being
damaged by a
>power failure or a kernel crash.
>
>
>
>
>
>Villy
Thanks very much for your reply, Villy.
Yes, I saw the two places where fsck is invoked, and that's
what I was referring to when I said I compared the two
invocations. By removing the explicit reference to the root
filesystem in the first command I am not preventing the root
fs from being checked, I'm simply preventing it from being
checked on each and every boot. At least that's how I
understand it. If this is in error, perhaps you can correct
me. One thing is for sure, the behaviour before making that
change was not normal whereas the system is behaving quite
normally after I made that change. Perhaps someone could
look at his /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit and post for me the command
string that's used in the very first invocation of fsck.
Dave Fluri
North Bay, Ontario Canada
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From: Carl Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: vixie cron stalls for hours
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 06:36:58 -0700
Situation: Dell PowerEdge 2400 server running RedHat 6.2, "vixie"
cron.
Besides the standard hourly, daily, etc. cron jobs, I have Arkeia,
which is supposed to wake up every 5 minutes to see if a backup
should begin. Also a status report which should run each morning.
However, crond seems to just sleep, doing nothing for hours at a
time. ps shows there is a crond running, but no entries are added
to /var/log/cron. The standard jobs like log rotation don't happen
as scheduled when crond flakes out.
If I kill & restart crond, it works for a few hours, then goes
back to "sleep".
I suppose I could set up a cron job (!) to kill crond & restart it
now & then, but I would much rather know why.
No Redhat errata, bug advisories, enhancement advisories for this
apparently. A quick search of DejaNews for "cron" or "vixie" didn't
turn up anything appropriate.
Anyone have a clue why crond would just go to sleep?
--
Carl Benson | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UNIX System Administrator | Telephone: (206) 667-4862
Fred Hutchinson Cancer | Fax: (206) 667-6869
Research Center | Opinions expressed are my own.
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From: David Gallardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:52:43 -0400
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> I personally have no idea what "office needs" are.
Exactly. That's exactly my point. People who are highly focused on technology
frequently have little idea of (nor do they usually care) what average people's
mundane needs and concerns are.
> The secretaries at
> my old institution used to write all their letters in latex, using vi
> (the admin used to take it away every so often, and they used to ask me
> for a copy again).
Which again points out that your experience is exceptional. If my mother, who has
been _productive_ with a pc for 15 years, mostly with MS products had only the
option of vi and latex, she probably would've (and should've) stuck with a
typewriter.
> If you mean "dimwits who can't screw in a lightbulb", please say so.
>
There are skills other than technical. It is usually a good a idea to focus on
one's strengths. A law office, for example, may not find it wise to spend lots of
their managerial resources building a state of the art IT infrastructure.
>
> Peter
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:17:46 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jim claes)
Subject: HELP: how to obtain the IP-address of eth0?
Hello,
I would like to obtain the IP-address of the eth0-interface for a
c/c++-program. I looked at the code of ifconfig and wrote the
following (test-)program:
int main()
{
char* ifname = "eth0";
int inet_sock;
struct ifreq ifr;
struct sockaddr addr;
int skfd;
int i;
skfd = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, 0);
memset(&ifr, 0, sizeof(struct ifreq));
ifr.ifr_addr.sa_family=AF_INET;
strcpy(ifr.ifr_name, ifname);
if ((i = ioctl(skfd, SIOCGIFADDR, &ifr)) < 0 ) printf("!!ERROR:
ioctl failed with error %s\n", strerror(errno));
memcpy(&addr, &(ifr.ifr_addr), sizeof(struct sockaddr));
close(skfd);
printf("The address of eth0 is %s \n", inet_ntoa(addr));
return 1;
}
The program always returns "2.0.0.0". Can anybody tell what I am
doing wrong and how I can obtain the IP-address of the interface ?
Thanx,
Jim.
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From: Kari Pahula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: graphics without xwindows?
Date: 21 Jun 2000 15:02:34 GMT
Phil Bridges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I would like to devise a graphical program to show through the tv-out on my
>computer on my television. Is there any feasible way to do non-ASCII
>graphics on this machine without installing xwindows? Thanks for the help.
http://www.ggi-project.org/
http://www.svgalib.org/
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From: "Thomer M. Gil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: No eth0:0 alias in routing table
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:28:11 GMT
Hello,
Does anyone know why aliases do not appear in the routing table? Strange
enough, /proc/net/aliases does not exist either. Yes, I did compile the
kernel (2.2.14) with IP_ALIAS. And yes, I did try to manually add eth0:0 to
the routing table.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Thomer
Output of ifconfig:
===================================================================
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:C0:F0:4C:5D:1B
inet addr:<*snip*> Bcast:<*snip*> Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:5165 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:5184 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:10 txqueuelen:100
Interrupt:9 Base address:0xf880
eth0:0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:C0:F0:4C:5D:1B
inet addr:10.0.0.1 Bcast:10.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
Interrupt:9 Base address:0xf880
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
===================================================================
Output of route -n:
===================================================================
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
<*snip*> 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0
<*snip*> 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
10.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo
0.0.0.0 <*snip*> 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
===================================================================
The eth0 in the 10.0.0.0 should be eth0:0.
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From: Kari Pahula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: one way password encryption
Date: 21 Jun 2000 15:09:21 GMT
G.Krishna Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>where do I find password.c file that linux uses to encrypt passwords
>one way? Can you give me any links? thanks in advance
Crypt(3) does the password encryption, and is a part of the glibc.
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Glibc2-HOWTO-3.html
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From: "Sam Grossberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fonts
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:25:55 GMT
I just installed Linux-Mandrake 7 on one of my computers, and noticed the
relative lack of fonts. Does anybody know where to download some free ones?
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Subject: Uninstall LILO?
From: gtada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:34:10 -0700
I recently installed Storm Linux (a Debian derivative) and I've
enjoyed using Linux for the first time. But now because of work
I need to reinstall Windows. However, I messed up the Linux
install initially and I had to re-install it so the original
LILO backup file is gone. Now when I try to install Windows I
can't get the MBR (or whatever) to boot Windows. What do I do?
Thanks,
Greg
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another one from LILO!
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:30:57 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi all. I'm new to the forum. I know you've been discussing about some
> problems with Lilo but I haven't found anything about my problem.
>
> I don't have much experience with this OS. I need to change LILO's
> default boot OS. I've been told that I have to change lilo.conf
> sequence but here's my problem:
>
> The size of /etc/lilo.conf is 0 bytes. I don't know what the person
> that worked before did.
>
> How can I find out where's the configuration file LILO is using? I
> suspect of a file i found, but when I open it with VI or ED it shows a
> lot of other characters that make me difficult to edit them (I don't
> see a plain ASCII file for example)
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Juan Carlos
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
the program /sbin/lilo uses /etc/lilo.conf to install the
lilo boot loader. It is possible someone deleted the file
after running /sbin/lilo. However, /sbin/lilo can be run
with the -C option to specify an explicit configuration file.
Look in /etc to see if there are any other possibilities.
Try
ls -l /etc/lilo*
You need not change the order to specify a default. Just put
default=...
where ... is the label of the section you want to load by
default. Put this before any of the sections.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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Subject: Re: Fonts
From: Boddhisatva Troutwaxer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:41:56 -0700
"Sam Grossberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I just installed Linux-Mandrake 7 on one of my computers, and
noticed the
>relative lack of fonts. Does anybody know where to download
some free ones?
>
Also, what directory do the go in and will the same True Type
fonts that work for Windows work for Linux?
T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: Fonts
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:46:55 GMT
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:41:56 -0700, Boddhisatva Troutwaxer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Sam Grossberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I just installed Linux-Mandrake 7 on one of my computers, and
>noticed the
>>relative lack of fonts. Does anybody know where to download
>some free ones?
>>
>Also, what directory do the go in and will the same True Type
>fonts that work for Windows work for Linux?
They should. You might hit a few that a few that do crazy things to the
font server. Check links here:
http://feenix.eyep.net/xstuff/xfs.html#links
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
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From: Eric Rountree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH6.2 - Odd problem with man files
Date: 21 Jun 2000 11:42:06 -0400
Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
My MANPATH env variable is not defined. There are a few other man.1.gz
files on the system, as follows:
/var/catman/cat1/man.1.gz
/usr/man/man1/man.1.gz
/usr/man/ru/man1/man.1.gz
/usr/man/de/man1/man.1.gz
/usr/man/it/man1/man.1.gz
The alternate language files work fine if I say "man <full path>," but
I'm not sure what the /var/catman file is all about.
I don't think a "formatting page" message comes up when I type "man
man." If it does, it goes by too fast to see.
Thanks.
Eric
> Eric Rountree wrote:
> >
> > I'm having an unusual problem with certain man files under RedHat
> > Linux 6.2. If I type the command "man man" I get a blank screen with
> > [END] at the bottom. Typing "q" will quit as usual. If I instead type
> > "man /usr/man/man1/man.1.gz" then I get the man page for man as I
> > would expect.
> >
> > I have the same problem with the man pages for "mount" and "umount." I
> > haven't discovered any other man pages that behave this way.
> [snip]
>
> What is your MANPATH environment variable set to? Is it possible you
> have other man pages in the path for man, mount, and umount?
>
> Also, when you type "man man" do you initially see a "Formatting
> page..." message?
=============================================
Eric Rountree, Systems Specialist
Department of Computing & Information Science
Goodwin Hall, Room 551
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario
Canada K7L 3N6
(613)533-6784
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:38:57 -0400
From: Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows Utility to Read Linux Formatted Disks: Does One Exist?
I tried:
mount -t autofs /dev/fd0
mount -t msdos /dev/fd0
mount -t auto /dev/fd0
all of which returned the standard mount error message.
Thanks,
Travis
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
James Lee wrote:
> Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Cool, how do I do that write to a DOS disk thing?
>
> mtools or mount it as type msdos or as auto (let linux figure it out).
> All will get you to share things in dos.
>
> Also, there is explore2fs that can handle ext2
> fs inside windows. It's on a permanent beta lists,
> but seems to be stable.
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From: Yao Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mounting as NTFS
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:54:53 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rod Smith wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Dirk Freese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Hi,
> >
> >> HI need to rescue an NT SCSI HD and I was wondering about cooking up a
> >> ram-disk with SCSI and NTFS, mount /dev/sda1 as NTFS and replace a
> >> corrupted file.
> ...
> > Anyway: The file is already damaged. So you've got nothing to lose ...
>
> **NO!!!!** The original poster currently (or at time of posting) has
> **ONE** corrupted file. The Linux NTFS read/write driver has the
> potential to damage *MUCH* more than a single file, even if that's all
> that's modified. For instance, suppose (hypothetically; I have no
> reason to believe that this is the case) that the Linux NTFS driver
> sometimes trashes a directory listing when modifying a file in that
> directory. If that's the case, then replacing a damaged file has the
> potential to effectively destroy all the data in that directory. (To be
> precise, the data would still exist, but there'd be no way to associate
> the data with appropriate filenames.) If the damaged file were in a
> critical directory, like WINNT, then this could be quite disasterous.
>
> --
> Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.rodsbooks.com
> Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
Hi, all
I cooked up the ram-disk and was able the mount the NT partition and view
the contents, however, I was
nervous to replace the corrupted file under \winnt. the company that sends
us the disk told
us the use partition magic to convert the NTFS to FAT, then boot with a
DOS floppy to replace
the file. We did it the hard way and after repeated rebooting, the disk
appeared functioning.
Could anyone predict when we can get NTFS support stable, esp. with the
victory over microsoft?
Thanks for all the reponse
yao
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Malone)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Source code for TOP
Date: 21 Jun 2000 16:56:41 +0100
Carl Swanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Does anyone know where I can get the source code for
>the unix program "top"? I know linux has it as source code
>available, but where and under what tree?
The Linux version of top doesn't really work like any one else's
version of top, as far as I can see. You could try:
ftp://ftp.groupsys.com/pub/top/
I did have a URL for a web page for top too, but I can't find it
now.
David.
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From: "D. D. Brierton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Upgrade from Mandrake 7.0 (Air) to Mandrake 7.1 (Helium): Painless?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:59:07 +0000
I've just ordered Linux Mandrake 7.1. I am currently running 7.0 and
was planning to upgrade, rather than making a clean install. Can
anyone tell me how painless I should expect this to be, or how "smart"
the update installation is?
These are some of the issues I am concerned about:
1. Since installing 7.0 I have upgraded various packages, notably I
have upgraded to Helix GNOME 1.2, and subsequently 1.2.1. Will the
upgrade installation of 7.1 only overwrite packages that have a
lower release number? Might it break any of the software I have
installed (I've pretty much stuck faithfully to installing RPMs,
and I'm not talking about anything too esoteric here). If the
version of Helix GNOME I'm currently running is *higher* than the
one that comes with Mandrake 7.1 does that mean that (presuming the
upgrade doesn't replace the existing newer version) I won't get any
of the benefits of Mandrake's tweaks, such as automatic menu
updating, and whatever else they've changed?
2. I am interested in using XFree86 4.0.0 as I understand that it has
much better support for my graphics chip (SiS 6326) then 3.3.6
does. However, getting the card to work originally was not totally
painless, and I had to manually tweak some of the settings in
XF86Config. Will the installation of 4.0.0 be smart enough to
check what is currently in XF86Config and try to retain some of
those settings?
3. My sound chip (on-board CMI 8330) was an absolute bitch to get
working and it took me a long time. Is there any danger that I'll
have to do this all over again after the upgrade?
4. In general, to what extent will the upgrade attempt to retain the
system specific settings, like which modules are loaded, and
postfix's settings, even if a newer version of some of these
packages is installed?
This is quite important as I really can't afford to have a broken
system right now, although I can afford to spend a day or two
upgrading and tidying up (I don't expect to have to do absolutely no
work whatsoever on this upgrade!).
All tips and advice very gratefully received,
Best,
Darren
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D. D. Brierton Department of Philosophy, University of Edinburgh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ddb
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From: "D. D. Brierton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Upgrade from Mandrake 7.0 (Air) to Mandrake 7.1 (Helium): Painless?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:59:07 +0000
I've just ordered Linux Mandrake 7.1. I am currently running 7.0 and
was planning to upgrade, rather than making a clean install. Can
anyone tell me how painless I should expect this to be, or how "smart"
the update installation is?
These are some of the issues I am concerned about:
1. Since installing 7.0 I have upgraded various packages, notably I
have upgraded to Helix GNOME 1.2, and subsequently 1.2.1. Will the
upgrade installation of 7.1 only overwrite packages that have a
lower release number? Might it break any of the software I have
installed (I've pretty much stuck faithfully to installing RPMs,
and I'm not talking about anything too esoteric here). If the
version of Helix GNOME I'm currently running is *higher* than the
one that comes with Mandrake 7.1 does that mean that (presuming the
upgrade doesn't replace the existing newer version) I won't get any
of the benefits of Mandrake's tweaks, such as automatic menu
updating, and whatever else they've changed?
2. I am interested in using XFree86 4.0.0 as I understand that it has
much better support for my graphics chip (SiS 6326) then 3.3.6
does. However, getting the card to work originally was not totally
painless, and I had to manually tweak some of the settings in
XF86Config. Will the installation of 4.0.0 be smart enough to
check what is currently in XF86Config and try to retain some of
those settings?
3. My sound chip (on-board CMI 8330) was an absolute bitch to get
working and it took me a long time. Is there any danger that I'll
have to do this all over again after the upgrade?
4. In general, to what extent will the upgrade attempt to retain the
system specific settings, like which modules are loaded, and
postfix's settings, even if a newer version of some of these
packages is installed?
This is quite important as I really can't afford to have a broken
system right now, although I can afford to spend a day or two
upgrading and tidying up (I don't expect to have to do absolutely no
work whatsoever on this upgrade!).
All tips and advice very gratefully received,
Best,
Darren
--
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D. D. Brierton Department of Philosophy, University of Edinburgh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ddb
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