Linux-Misc Digest #883, Volume #24 Wed, 21 Jun 00 17:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
New Motherboard (Jason B)
Re: Helix Gnome and esd (Chuck Hakari)
d2utxt "cannot execute binary file" ("Kirk R. Wythers")
Re: New Motherboard (Scott Alfter)
Re: New Motherboard (Bob Hauck)
Re: Uninstall LILO? (Akira Yamanita)
Re: New Motherboard (Akira Yamanita)
Re: looking for backup software (Carl Benson)
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (Doc Shipley)
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Re: Uninstall LILO? (Leonard Evens)
PB Legend220CD - installing ISA Network Card (Sandhitsu R Das)
Linux Install problem (Robert)
Re: Source code for TOP (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Danger in running fsck on a mounted filesystem (Dances With Crows)
Source code for TOP (Carl Swanson)
Re: Another one from LILO! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Automatic Java startup on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Automatic Java startup on Linux (Akira Yamanita)
Re: Limites de linux (Ignacio Arenaza)
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:11:33 -0400
"but for basic simple administation, you could say NT was easier (an MCSE
monkey could do it)"
Well, it can be just any monkey :) . Most of the stuff is hidden away in the
help files!!
> Linux makes it a lot easer to administer in the long run.
Yup : Configuration is through readable text files. Even if all hell breaks
loose, if you can boot off an emergency disk, you can run vi ( the unix
text editor) and change things .Compare that with Windows Registry
manipulation when the OS does not start.
> Also, linux installs more easily
Well, I am not so sure. So far, I've used Redhat's packages, and things are
quite simple.
Corel's offering really irritated me because I did not want to edit package
files . But this is a nitpick on the installer.
> > -Used far and wide.
> > -Good software and hardware base.
> > -Eye Candy value(my friend stated that his boss made
> > them move to win nt a few years back because of the way it
> > looked not worked.)
>
> omigod.
Well, so long as said person kept backups of critical data on some other
safe system.
> > NT/2000 CON's
> > -Not well liked by hackers. (They see this as the man to be
> > overthrown this is why you have more problems with hackers
> > virus's and such
To break into , MS has been great! Guess how long they wait to release a
patch ?
> > -Not as stable as others (linux,beos,free bsd, novel)
> > -In a year or two you will be facing another expensive upgrade
> > or be behind in the os war.
Here , here. W2K Pro takes up 64 MB of ram . I need 128MB just to run the
monster. And what does it load up ? a lot of fancy crap that I have no easy
way of disabling ( unless I want to risk trashing the hdd on the next
reboot )
In contrast, I could control every service that could be started on Linux.
>
> >
> > Linux PRO's
> > -Very cheap free to about 1/3 to 1/2 of what nt or novel charge
> Eh? I don't quite understand. It's free (except for a 1 off charge if
> you choose to buy instead of download a CD).
> > -Runs well on low end system (486 web server)
> > -Once set up properly will run well (reports of systems running
> > uninterupted for 300 + days.
> > -At one point there was a rumor that micro$oft ran its hotmail
> > servers on linux boxes cause NT couldn't handle the load.
>
> It wasn't a rumour. IIRC Hotmail runs on FreeBSD, and the attempt to
> migrate to NT4 was a failure.
>
> > -Gaining momentum constant updates with little or no cost.
> >
> > Linux CON's
> > -Not alot shown improvements on high end systems (from
> > comparisons between linux and NT)
> Yes. The SMP isn't so great, but this isn't a con compared to NT because
> it's no worse.
> > -Takes alot of work to get a system setup properly
> That I disagree with completely. The install is easier and quicker than
> NT. It install all the H/W drivers for you and you need to reboot once.
> Things like samba come working out of the box. The additional setup
> needed for a desktop system is minimal after it's first installed.
>
> -Ed
>
>
> > -Lack of Talented people to admin Linux
> > -Cost of Talented people to admin Linux
>
> But (as pointed out earlier) 2 BOFH ($90,000/annum) types are cheaper
> than 6 monkey (30,000/annum) types.
> > -Not a real strong hardware and software powerbase for linux.
Well, RH 6.0's X server handles my G200 card perfectly. In fact, I can get
higher refresh rates from X server than from Windows .
It picked up my modem ( all 3 as I cycled through them ) . They are ISA, and
"plug and pray" is disabled.
It picked up my sound card ( a vibra 16 ) and is in full duplex mode. I have
to mute the mike to prevent feedback!
All I used was "sndconfig" that was installed when I did a full install.
It plays mp3's and audio off the cdrom while I'm writing something, or doing
my accounts , or browsing.
It even contains a X version of winamp.
The only thing I don't do is play games. The ones I play are rather a
"niche" thing ( hardcore combat sims), and I don't expect them to be ported
to other OS'es from win95.
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From: Jason B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New Motherboard
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:21:20 GMT
Does anyone know if I have to reinstall Linux after I relace my
motherboard? I'm running a dual- boot system right now (Win 95 &
RedHAt 6.1)
--
http://members.home.net/jbean3
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From: Chuck Hakari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Helix Gnome and esd
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:44:02 -0800
Since no one else had a solution, I will let this newsgroup know what I
did for now. I went into session management and got rid of the sound
item. I don't use system sounds, so it doesn't hurt anything for now.
Chuck Hakari wrote:
>
> I have just installed Helix Gnome from RPM's over an existing Gnome
> installation on a Redhat 6.0 system. The problem I am having now is that
> the session appears to lock up, but when I switch terminals and run top,
> I find that esd is running with 97% of the cpu. Most of the time I can
> kill esd and get back to work, but I would like to know if anyone else
> has had this problem.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chuck Hakari
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Chuck Hakari
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Kirk R. Wythers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: d2utxt "cannot execute binary file"
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:34:06 -0500
I installed d2utxt on a redhat6.2 system, when I try and run the program
"d2utxt infile outfile" I get the error, "unable to execute the binary".
Any idea what is going on here?
I checked the executable in /usr/bin and it is owned by root and
executable by all (like every other executable in /usr/bin).
Thanks,
Kirk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: New Motherboard
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:39:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jason B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know if I have to reinstall Linux after I relace my
>motherboard? I'm running a dual- boot system right now (Win 95 &
>RedHAt 6.1)
That shouldn't be necessary; Linux isn't as fussy about the hardware it runs
on as Win9x. (Actually, even Win98 isn't too bad about having the
motherboard swapped out from under it; let it (re)detect the changed
hardware config and it'll (usually) keep working.)
_/_
/ v \
(IIGS( Scott Alfter (remove Voyager's hull number for email address)
\_^_/ http://salfter.dyndns.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: New Motherboard
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:43:19 GMT
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:21:20 GMT, Jason B
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know if I have to reinstall Linux after I relace my
>motherboard?
I've never had to.
>I'm running a dual- boot system right now (Win 95 & RedHAt 6.1)
You may end up reinstalling Windows though.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Uninstall LILO?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:45:23 GMT
gtada wrote:
>
> I recently installed Storm Linux (a Debian derivative) and I've
> enjoyed using Linux for the first time. But now because of work
> I need to reinstall Windows. However, I messed up the Linux
> install initially and I had to re-install it so the original
> LILO backup file is gone. Now when I try to install Windows I
> can't get the MBR (or whatever) to boot Windows. What do I do?
Wipe the MBR with "fdisk /mbr" using the DOS/Win FDISK.
A Win95/98 installation should wipe it out automatically
too.
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Motherboard
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:48:19 GMT
Jason B wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if I have to reinstall Linux after I relace my
> motherboard? I'm running a dual- boot system right now (Win 95 &
> RedHAt 6.1)
You shouldn't need to unless you recompiled your kernel to leave
out support for devices that are on your new motherboard.
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From: Carl Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: looking for backup software
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:46:23 -0700
I'm using Arkeia to backup a mix of Linux and RS/6000 clients
to a Linux server. Arkeia is commercial software (i.e. it costs
money), and it's client/server based.
It is very fast, even over 10 MBps ethernet. It's very slick
software, and it has a steep learning curve. I'm still not over
all the setup problems.
However, when it does what I ask, it does it very well. Also,
the restore feature is especially handy compared to previous
software I have used (DallasTools aka FlashNet).
I'd be happy to talk to you about it. Their URL is
http://www.arkeia.com
You can get a free trial version. There is an NT client, and
the server can be Linux, Unix, or NT.
--CarlB
Wen-Yen Lin wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to setup automatic backup process for our company's servers. I
> was trying to use "dump" for incremental dump, but it seems that it only
> work on a single EXT2 filesystem. I need to dump multiple file systems
> (includes, NFS and EXT2) into one tape.
>
> I will appreciate any recommendation!!
>
> Regards,
>
> Wen-Yen Lin
> Fastrack Information Inc.,
> 16 S. Oakland Ave., Suite#216
> Pasadena, CA 91101
> TEL:(626)449-8237
> FAX:(626)449-7271
> Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Doc Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:00:28 GMT
Robie Basak wrote:
>
> Also, would someone please tell me where the equivalents of cron and
> at are in NT? Or do I have to upgrade to 2000 as well?
>
There is an "at" function in NT 4.0, that also allows a limited
cron-style scheduling by means of batch files. Look up "at" in the Help
index. To call it equivalent, though, would be a travesty.
--
Doc Shipley
Network Stuff
Austin, Earth
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:59:40 -0400
Robie Basak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:01:27 GMT, Doc Shipley said:
> >
> >
> >Linux not only attempts to do more, it DOES more. Anecdote:
> > When I started my current job running an NT/Win98 subnet, I was
> >woefully ignorant with NT Server. I wanted to set up the telnet daemon
> >on my server, but could not find the configuration dialog. Nor was
> >telnet service mentioned in any Help file. Finally, in my NT Server
> >Resource Kit, I find that "NT Server does not ship with a telnet
> >service. For those who wish to provide this function, there are many
> >freeware and shareware telnet servers available on the Internet."
> > Excuse me. NT Server was shipping at ~$800 for a 5-seat license. And MS
> >tells me to download shareware to provide a BASIC service.
>
> I had exactly the same problem when I needed a tftp server; and I
> found a "knowledge" base article which basically told me to buy a
> commercial implementation or upgrade to 2000. Upgrade to Windows 2000
> for a tftp server?
Unfortunately , yes . Or you can dump in a free server that's been ported
to win32
> Also, would someone please tell me where the equivalents of cron and
> at are in NT? Or do I have to upgrade to 2000 as well?
NT has an "at" service. That's where the similarity ends.
you say something like "at 13:50 ..." in the dos box. I never really got the
hang of it.
Don't forget to go into services and start the intutively named "Scheduler"
service , also known as "at" :)
As for 2000, well, I don't use it anymore, seeing as Linux is much simpler,
and lighter on my hardware.
Regards,
joseph
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Uninstall LILO?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:54:08 -0500
gtada wrote:
>
> I recently installed Storm Linux (a Debian derivative) and I've
> enjoyed using Linux for the first time. But now because of work
> I need to reinstall Windows. However, I messed up the Linux
> install initially and I had to re-install it so the original
> LILO backup file is gone. Now when I try to install Windows I
> can't get the MBR (or whatever) to boot Windows. What do I do?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
> Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
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Try booting from a DOS/Windows startup disk and running the
DOS program
fdisk/mbr
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Sandhitsu R Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: PB Legend220CD - installing ISA Network Card
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:27:36 -0400
I have a PB 486DX2 based m/c. I can't get my SMC 8013 10M network card
to work. There seems to be an Apricot onboard ethernet. Do I need to
disable it ? If yes, how ? Any other suggestions ?
The card is fine - hooked up to a hub and detects the link. But the OS
(RedHat Linux 6.2) doesn't seem to find it. I have manually set jumpers
on the card to use IRQ3 and I/O 0x280.
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From: Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Install problem
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:30:12 GMT
I'm installing Linux on a Compaq Proliant Server. On boot up the program
gets stuck in a loop which says "TLAN: Giving autonegotation more time."
How do I correct this problem?
Thanks,
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Source code for TOP
Date: 21 Jun 2000 15:28:31 -0400
"Anders Gulden Olstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In comp.os.linux.misc Carl Swanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Also, what about the solaris, aix, and hp platforms?
> > Will the linux code compile on those platforms?
>
> Most likely - with some adjustments.
linux top uses the linux specific /proc hieriarchy. i'd be very
surprised to see it work elsewhere.
> I have seen 'top'
> for SGI IRIX and SCO OpenServer5
yes. most systems have some form of top.
--
johan kullstam l72t00052
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Danger in running fsck on a mounted filesystem
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:46:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:05:12 -0400, D F
<<8iof8m$ct2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Yes, the machine shuts down correctly and all seems to be
>functioning normally. Come to think of it, I think that
>error msg comes up while the root partition IS ro. I think
>it's after I say 'no' that it says the thing about
>'remounting root rw.'
>I'll go over to her place tonight to check it out. If it's
>while the root partition is mounted ro, then, you'd suggest
>that it's safe to fsck it?
More than likely. From your description, it seems as though the root
filesystem wasn't properly umounted somewhere along the line, resulting in
the superblock being marked "dirty" even though no filesystem damage
occurred. (If any had, you would probably have seen very bad things
happening.) Let fsck do its thing and flag the filesystem as clean; the
message shouldn't pop up and bother you again unless the power fails or
the disk gets hit with a hammer....
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: Carl Swanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Source code for TOP
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.aix
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:46:10 GMT
Does anyone know where I can get the source code for
the unix program "top"? I know linux has it as source code
available, but where and under what tree?
Also, what about the solaris, aix, and hp platforms?
Will the linux code compile on those platforms?
Thanks,
Carl
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another one from LILO!
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:44:49 GMT
>
> the program /sbin/lilo uses /etc/lilo.conf to install the
> lilo boot loader. It is possible someone deleted the file
> after running /sbin/lilo. However, /sbin/lilo can be run
> with the -C option to specify an explicit configuration file.
> Look in /etc to see if there are any other possibilities.
> Try
> ls -l /etc/lilo*
>
> You need not change the order to specify a default. Just put
> default=...
> where ... is the label of the section you want to load by
> default. Put this before any of the sections.
>
> --
>
> Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
> Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
>
Thank you Leonard, and everybody. I solved my problem creating a new
conf. file
Bye
Juan Carlos
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Automatic Java startup on Linux
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:44:21 GMT
How and where can I establish an automatic startup of certain java
programs? I currently have RedHat 6.1 and JDK 1.2 installed. I have
about 12 java server programs that I have to manually start with the
command:
java com/recorder/server/servername
etc, etc, for all of them.
Is there a way that I can have the machine start these 12 programs at
the initial boot?
Thank you in advance,
Jeannie
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Automatic Java startup on Linux
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:53:52 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> How and where can I establish an automatic startup of certain java
> programs? I currently have RedHat 6.1 and JDK 1.2 installed. I have
> about 12 java server programs that I have to manually start with the
> command:
>
> java com/recorder/server/servername
>
> etc, etc, for all of them.
>
> Is there a way that I can have the machine start these 12 programs at
> the initial boot?
Put them at the end of /etc/rc.d/rc.local. You'll want to specify
the full path to everything though.
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Crossposted-To: es.comp.os.linux.instalacion
Subject: Re: Limites de linux
From: Ignacio Arenaza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:55:59 GMT
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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 1) Alguien sabe con cuanta memoria RAM puede trabajar Linux
>> como m�ximo,
Steve> yo
Steve> No se por cierto, pero creo que los kernels nuevos pueden
Steve> soportar por lo menos 4 GB.
Con el parche adecuado, hasta 64 GB (que es lo mas que soporta al
tecnologia ia32 por ahora).
>> 2) �Cuantos microprocesadores? (Plataforma Intel)
Steve> Tantos como tienes. ; )
No tantos ;-) En ia32l solo escala hasta 16 (y no demasiado bien por
encima de 8 por ahora).
>> 3) �Soporta tarjetas de red Gigabit? (Intel)
Steve> Si. Al compilar el kernel, ay una seccion de tarjetas
Steve> Gigabit que estan soportados.
Saludos. I�aki.
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