Linux-Misc Digest #887, Volume #24 Thu, 22 Jun 00 02:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Mandrake 7.1 and ide-tape read problem. . . (Norvell Spearman)
Mandrake 7.1 and ide tape read problem (Norvell Spearman)
weird CD problem: "Wrong medium type" (Dav Coleman)
Re: Corel Install Just Dies ("Lonni J. Friedman")
Re: Can't mount cdrom ("Lonni J. Friedman")
Weird email to FETCHMAIL-DAEMON (long) (David Steuber)
Re: The future of sound on Linux: ALSA or OSS? (David Steuber)
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (David Steuber)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (David Steuber)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (David Steuber)
Re: reccommended partitions and sizes (Elden Fenison)
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From: Norvell Spearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Mandrake 7.1 and ide-tape read problem. . .
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:07:05 -0500
Before wiping out my Linux-Mandrake 7.0 installation to do a fresh
install of 7.1, I backed up my important data to my 8GB HP Colorado
internal IDE tape drive. I backed up with `tar czvpf /dev/ht0 /etc
/home /root' and tested the backup with `tar xzvpf /dev/ht0' (in a
directory other than /). The backup and restore returned no errors
whatsoever. When I've backed up before with taper and Mandrake 7.0, my
tape drive worked flawlessly then as well.
Anyway, after wiping out 7.0 and installing 7.1, I can write to my tape,
but not read from it. I'll include the error messages below. I've
tried backing up and restoring a few files to/from /dev/fd0 with no
problems, so I guess it's safe to say the problem is not with tar or
gzip.
I've already tried the latest kernel from the cooker (2.2.16-4mdk) with
no success.
When I wiped out 7.1 and reinstalled 7.0, my tape drive worked perfectly
again.
I'd greatly appreciate any help with this.
---Norvell Spearman
===================================================================
[root@localhost blah]# tar xzvpf /dev/ht0
tar (grandchild): /dev/ht0: Cannot read: Input/output error
tar (grandchild): At beginning of tape, quitting now
tar (grandchild): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
tar: Child returned status 1
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[root@localhost blah]# tar xzvpf /dev/nht0
tar (grandchild): /dev/nht0: Cannot read: Input/output error
tar (grandchild): At beginning of tape, quitting now
tar (grandchild): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
tar: Child returned status 1
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
===================================================================
Below is from /var/log/messages:
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: hdd <-> ht0: HP COLORADO 8GB
rev 2.05
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: hdd: overriding
capabilities->speed (assuming 650KB/sec)
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: hdd: overriding
capabilities->max_speed (assuming 650KB/sec)
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: hdd <-> ht0: 650KBps,
16*32kB buffer, 6336kB pipeline, 100ms tDSC
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 10, key
= 7, asc = 27, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 10, key
= 7, asc = 27, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 1e, key
= 5, asc = 20, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 8, key
= 5, asc = 2c, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 1e, key
= 5, asc = 20, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:24 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 10, key
= 7, asc = 27, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:24 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 10, key
= 7, asc = 27, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:24 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 1e, key
= 5, asc = 20, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:24 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 8, key
= 5, asc = 2c, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:24 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 1e, key
= 5, asc = 20, ascq = 0
------------------------------
From: Norvell Spearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Mandrake 7.1 and ide tape read problem
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:31:42 -0500
Sorry if this is the second time this message shows up; I've been having
problems with my news server.
Before wiping out my Linux-Mandrake 7.0 installation to do a fresh
install of 7.1, I backed up my important data to my 8GB HP Colorado
internal IDE tape drive. I backed up with `tar czvpf /dev/ht0 /etc
/home /root' and tested the backup with `tar xzvpf /dev/ht0' (in a
directory other than /). The backup and restore returned no errors
whatsoever. When I've backed up before with taper and Mandrake 7.0, my
tape drive worked flawlessly then as well.
Anyway, after wiping out 7.0 and installing 7.1, I can write to my tape,
but not read from it. I'll include the error messages below. I've
tried backing up and restoring a few files to/from /dev/fd0 with no
problems, so I guess it's safe to say the problem is not with tar or
gzip.
I've already tried the latest kernel from the cooker (2.2.16-4mdk) with
no success.
When I wiped out 7.1 and reinstalled 7.0, my tape drive worked perfectly
again.
I'd greatly appreciate any help with this.
---Norvell Spearman
===================================================================
[root@localhost blah]# tar xzvpf /dev/ht0
tar (grandchild): /dev/ht0: Cannot read: Input/output error
tar (grandchild): At beginning of tape, quitting now
tar (grandchild): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
tar: Child returned status 1
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[root@localhost blah]# tar xzvpf /dev/nht0
tar (grandchild): /dev/nht0: Cannot read: Input/output error
tar (grandchild): At beginning of tape, quitting now
tar (grandchild): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
tar: Child returned status 1
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
===================================================================
Below is from /var/log/messages:
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: hdd <-> ht0: HP COLORADO 8GB
rev 2.05
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: hdd: overriding
capabilities->speed (assuming 650KB/sec)
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: hdd: overriding
capabilities->max_speed (assuming 650KB/sec)
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: hdd <-> ht0: 650KBps,
16*32kB buffer, 6336kB pipeline, 100ms tDSC
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 10, key
= 7, asc = 27, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 10, key
= 7, asc = 27, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 1e, key
= 5, asc = 20, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 8, key
= 5, asc = 2c, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:18 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 1e, key
= 5, asc = 20, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:24 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 10, key
= 7, asc = 27, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:24 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 10, key
= 7, asc = 27, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:24 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 1e, key
= 5, asc = 20, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:24 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 8, key
= 5, asc = 2c, ascq = 0
Jun 15 18:55:24 localhost kernel: ide-tape: ht0: I/O error, pc = 1e, key
= 5, asc = 20, ascq = 0
------------------------------
From: Dav Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: weird CD problem: "Wrong medium type"
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:33:42 GMT
I've recently done two things:
1) upgraded to redhat 6.2
2) installed gnome and tried it once (then reverted back to KDE).
Now I can mount a data CD, I can play an audio CD in kscd, but I cannot
use cdparanoia. I get the following error message:
/dev/cdrom exists but isn't accessible. By default,
cdparanoia stops searching for an accessible drive here.
Consider using -s to force a more complete autosense
of the machine.
More information about /dev/cdrom:
Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom...
Testing /dev/cdrom for cooked ioctl() interface
/dev/scd0 is not a cooked ioctl CDROM.
Testing /dev/cdrom for SCSI interface
No generic SCSI device found to match CDROM device
/dev/scd0
Now, I checked deja.com and found several posts where people mentioned
similar problems, but never any useful answers. A couple of the posts
mention that their problems started after they installed rh6.1, ran
gnome, and persisted until reboot.
I tried rebooting and going straight to KDE, but that didn't help.
I noticed on reboot an error about the cdrom major or minor number.
Here's what it's set to:
brw------- 1 dav disk 11, 0 May 5 1998 /dev/scd0
I'm not sure what it should be, but note that even with this boot error,
I can still mount and play audio. Only ripping fails.
dmesg has these lines:
(scsi0:0:6:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
Vendor: IBM Model: CDRM00203 !K Rev: 1.01
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0
...
SCSI CD error : host 0 id 6 lun 0 return code = 28000002
Info fld=0x0, Current sr0b:00: sense key Blank Check
Additional sense indicates Illegal mode for this track
CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 0
Does anyone have insight into this?
http://www.danger-island.com/dav/
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Corel Install Just Dies
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:01:25 -0400
Since neither of you has stated anything about your particular hardware,
how do you expect to get help?
Nick wrote:
>
> Tom Loach wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to install the Standard version of Corel. Since my pc
> > doesn't boot from CD ROM, I used the boot diskette. I get an opening
> > screen telling me it's loading the OS and then just dies.
> > Does it just take an long time to load or is there something else
> > causing the problem? I sent a email message to corel, but haven't
> > heard from them yet (so much for 2 business day turnaround).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
>
> Tom, I have had the same problem as you. Exactly. Just yesterday I
> bought Corel Linux at Best Buy. When I tried to install it, it says it is
> installing, then dies. I went back to Best Buy and a couple of the
> salesman there said my video card probably wasn't compatible, and it
> wouldn't work on my system. I don't know if this is the case with your
> computer, so I'd take it to the place you bought it and see if they can
> help.
>
> P.S. What kind of computer do you have? Maybe our systems are similar
> and we could figure out if that is the problem. Also, installation quit
> before the step with the user name and password, how about yours?
------------------------------
From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't mount cdrom
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:00:32 -0400
You should be starting with "make mrproper". Also, there is no such
thing as "make module". THere is "make modules" though.
You also might want to try "depmod -a" after rebooting with the new
kernel.
John wrote:
>
> I did the following
> make dep
> make module
> make bzImage
> make bzlilo
>
> did not fix the problem
> On 21 Jun 2000 09:43:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink) wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:19:05 GMT John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >[Missing modules]
> >
> >>They are sr_mod.o sg.o cdrom.o emul0k1.o and isofs.o I believe
> >>that this is the problem. Please help me try to fix this.
> >
> >The obvious answer is to recompile your kernel.
> >--
> >Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >I-Con's Science and Technology Programming
> ><http://www.iconsf.org/>
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lonni J Friedman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
TSC - ECR - Pittsburgh
5-232-6850
United Parcel Service
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
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Subject: Weird email to FETCHMAIL-DAEMON (long)
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:00:03 GMT
I occasionally get odd messages from my ISP rejecting e-mail that I
did not send! Well, I guess I did send it, I just didn't know I sent
it. I'm thinking that I have a setting wrong in fetchmail, and it is
trying to forward spam from my account. I would like to put an end to
this. Can someone tell me how? Here is an example of such a message
from my ISP:
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--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: The future of sound on Linux: ALSA or OSS?
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:00:04 GMT
"Craig Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' Only problem I have is that Quake seg-faults with the Alsa driver, but not
' the OSS ;-)
I couldn't get ALSA to work. Fortunately, I found the incantation
that gets the kernel to recognize my sound chip and make it sing, or
something ;-).
As it is not PnP, I went ahead and just compiled the code straight
into the kernel. Who needs any stinkin' drivers?
Now if I could just find a detailed specification on Dolby's AC-3
codec, AKA Dolby Digital.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
------------------------------
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:00:05 GMT
Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' Hotmail presently seems to be running on FreeBSD machines:
'
' www.hotmail.com is running Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b on
FreeBSD
'
' (Visit http://www.netcraft.com/whats/?host=www.hotmail.com to check this.)
OR:
david@solo:> telnet www.hotmail.com 80
Trying 209.185.243.7...
Connected to www.hotmail.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD / HTTP/1.0
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:35:09 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b
Location: http://lc1.law5.hotmail.passport.com/cgi-bin/login
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Connection closed by foreign host.
david@solo:> telnet lc1.law5.hotmail.passport.com 80
Trying 209.185.243.7...
Connected to lc1.law5.hotmail.passport.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD /cgi-bin/login HTTP/1.0
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:36:40 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b
Cache-Control: no-cache
Expires: Mon, 01 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Pragma: no-cache
Set-Cookie: BrowserTest=Success%3f; domain=.passport.com; path=/
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Connection closed by foreign host.
Hmmm. No mention of FreeBSD. Where did Netcraft get that from? And
why are we suddenly in another domain?
david@solo:> telnet whois.networksolutions.com 43
Trying 216.168.224.69...
Connected to whois.networksolutions.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
passport.com
The Data in Network Solutions' WHOIS database is provided by Network
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this query, you agree to abide by this policy.
Registrant:
Microsoft Corporation (PASSPORT6-DOM)
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US
Domain Name: PASSPORT.COM
Administrative Contact:
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Microsoft Corp
One Microsoft Way
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US
425 882 8080
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Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
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Microsoft Corp
One Microsoft Way
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US
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Fax- PATH
Billing Contact:
Gudmundson, Carolyn (CG6635) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
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+1 (425) 882-8080 (FAX) +1 (425) 936-7329
Record last updated on 27-Dec-1999.
Record expires on 03-Oct-2000.
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DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.12
Connection closed by foreign host.
Gee, I wish Network Solutions told me about the agreement _before_ I
submited the query ;-) So how come I get a bunch of spam when _I_
register a domain? Surly no one would be using the whois database for
such a purpose.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:00:05 GMT
David Gallardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' Because most organizations have to hire & pay people to setup, maintain
' and run their systems, Linux is very expensive.
Because most organizations have to hire and pay people to setup,
maintain and run their systems, Windows is very expensive.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
------------------------------
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:00:06 GMT
David Gallardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' Which again points out that your experience is exceptional. If my moth=
er, who has
' been _productive_ with a pc for 15 years, mostly with MS products had o=
nly the
' option of vi and latex, she probably would've (and should've) stuck wit=
h a
' typewriter.
I dare say that vi + latex is an easier way to do documents than a
typewriter. But what do I know?=A0 I use XEmacs and plain TeX.
-- =
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Elden Fenison)
Subject: Re: reccommended partitions and sizes
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:00:06 GMT
On 2 Jun 2000 19:16:43 GMT,
Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Actually, /opt is an evil aberation on the face of the Unix filesystem
>: heirarchy. ;-)
>
>Therefore just the right place to put staroffice! 120MB of guff doesn't
>really belong in /usr. Not even emacsen are that huge.
Peter, I had a good laugh with this one, and just wanted to say
thanks. This was a nice multipurpose statement. Not only did it clarify
what /opt is good for but also was a fair assesment of the value of
Staroffice, lol. (guff, hehe)
--
Elden Fenison
http://www.moondog.org
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