Linux-Misc Digest #119, Volume #25 Wed, 12 Jul 00 23:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: Web Browser (Larry Ebbitt)
Re: locking files (Dances With Crows)
Re: print server (sandrews)
Re: CD Burner woes (Duane)
Re: Consequences of a new kernel (William Burrow)
Re: Getty, color, and the staircase effect (Andrew Purugganan)
Questions here dont appear in another newsserver? (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: CDrecord (Duane)
Re: Is this a good machine for the money? (brian moore)
Re: Changing header info in tin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: CD Burner woes (Juergen Pfann)
Re: eth1 fails on boot!! ("Chris Cantwell")
A question about a hard drive and RAM upgrade. (Madhusudan Singh)
Re: Dithering in gs on Linux (Grant Taylor)
Re: Changing header info in tin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A question about a hard drive and RAM upgrade. ("Philo")
Re: Is this a good machine for the money? (David Steuber)
Re: Is this a good machine for the money? (David Steuber)
Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor? (David Steuber)
Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor? (David Steuber)
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From: Larry Ebbitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:39:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Web Browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 7/11/00, 5:55:49 PM, "Michael Westerman"=20
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Re: Web Browser:
> Wine + Ie5 any one ?
ROFLMAO!
Larry Ebbitt - Linux + OS/2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: locking files
Date: 12 Jul 2000 20:40:25 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:44:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<8kilbl$47d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I was using vi to edit a file and I mistakenly opened the same file on
>top of itself. I got the message that the file was locked, realized my
>mistake and exited vi. When I tried to vi the file again, I got the
>message that the file was locked. I ended up recreating the file and
>killing the vi job but this set me wondering how this works.
>
>Where does linux keep track of the files it locked? Is there a way to
>lock / unlock file manually?
This is generally handled in an application-specific way. vim, anyway,
creates a file called "~/.foo.swp" if you open a file called "foo". When
you open another file, vim checks ~/.*.swp to see if that file is being
edited by anyone else, and warns you if it is.
Many programs do something similar. If instance 0 of a program opens a
file, it'll create a temporary file saying "(PID of instance 0) is using
this file." That way, instance 1..N can check to see if that file is
being used. There doesn't seem to be any standard for the location of
these temp files, although there is a /var/lock directory on all systems
I've seen.
flock(), fcntl(), and semaphores can also be used to implement file
locking--this would take too long to explain in a Usenet post, but the
basic idea is the same except that you can get the kernel to lock a
filehandle so that only a specific process can write to it. Any good book
on Unix C programming should give insight into how to mess with this.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:42:09 -0400
From: sandrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: print server
>
> Hopefully I am in the right group, if not please forgive me and direct me to
> the right one....But anyway here is my problem. I have a netgear PS110 print
> server over 100 Base T Ethernet. It has it's own static IP and on the same
> subnet as the others in my office. What I wanted to do is tell mandrake 7.0
> that it is there and try to print to it. The printer I have is a Lexmark
> Z51. Thanks
Heres my printcap I use with my D-LINK printserver
remote|lp1|epson.stablemates.org-lp|epson.stablemates.org lp:\
:lp=:\
:rm=epson.stablemates.org:\
:rp=lp:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/epson.stablemates.org-lp:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/epson.stablemates.org-lp/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/epson.stablemates.org-lp/acct:\
:ar:bk:mx#0:\
:tr=:cl:sh:
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From: Duane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CD Burner woes
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:09:16 -0700
Hiawatha Bray wrote:
>
> Hello again...been out of town for awhile.
>
> Anyway, I don't understand what you're saying. My listings are like the one
> you describe, but I have eight of them. What do I do to tell the cdrecord
> program which one to use? How do I provide this instruction? Thanks.
And likely they start at sr0 or sr8 and increment from there. This means
your kernel was compiled with "multiple LUN support"; kind of annoying
but harmless. Just pay attention to the first listing (lun 0), and
ignore the rest.
If the first listing has sr0, then cdrecord uses /dev/sga, and disks are
mounted with /dev/scd0. If the first listing has sr8, then cdrecord uses
/dev/sgi, and disks are mounted with /dev/scd8 <- I think. You might not
have the appropriate device files (I am not familiar with RH6.0, only
RH6.1 and 6.2). If they are not there, they are easy to create. For
example (I am pretty sure this will hold for RH6.0), for /dev/sgi:
# cd /dev
# mknod sgi c 21 8
Or /dev/sga
# cd /dev
# mknod sga c 21 0
> "Duane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hiawatha Bray wrote:
> > >
> > > I've just installed a Ricoh MP 6200A CD burner in my Red Hat 6.0 box, and
> > > tried to recompile the kernel to make it work. The idea was to remove ATAPI
> > > CD-ROM support from the kernel and replace it with SCSI. But my cdrecord
> > > software still says it can't see a SCSI device on the computer. That's
> > > especially weird, because the burner now shows up as a SCSI device on
> > > bootup. I checked dmesg and sure enough, there it was, listed 9 times.
> >
> > Are there listings like this:
> > Detected scsi CD-ROM sr8 at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
> > Vendor: MATSHITA Model: CD-RW CW-7585 Rev: 1.01
> > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> >
> > If that is the case, then the "sr8" means that cdrecord will look for
> > for the device file /dev/sgi. I figure this out by counting on my
> > fingers, starting with "sr0" and "sga":-) Then check the /dev directory
> > and make sure the device file is there.
> >
> > >
> > > Another thing: since recompiling the kernel, my network card no longer
> > > works. When booting, the computer says it can't find it. I saved my
> > > previous kernel, so this isn't exactly a disaster, but I can't figure out
> > > what is going wrong. Anybody got a clue? Thanks!
> >
> > Most ethernet drivers are compiled as modules. Did you look at the
> > ethernet section of the kernel configuration stuff, and find something
> > that looks like your card? To be sure, boot the old kernel and look at
> > dmesg or /proc/modules to see what module was loaded. Then make sure you
> > are compiling that particular module (in xconfig for most of the
> > modules, click the Help button and it will give the exact module name).
> >
> > --
> > My real email is akamail.com@dclark (or something like that).
--
My real email is akamail.com@dclark (or something like that).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: Consequences of a new kernel
Date: 13 Jul 2000 00:50:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:26:21 GMT,
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>David E. Smith writes:
>> Upgrading the C library, though, can be anywhere from unwise (upgrading
>> from one minor release to the next) to darn near impossible (upgrading
>> from libc5 to glibc/libc6).
>
>Unless you are running Debian.
In which case you can upgrade from libc5 to glibc2.0 in place, no
rebooting, then glibc2.0 to glibc2.1 similarly. And have a working,
running system after each upgrade.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 2000 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: Getty, color, and the staircase effect
Date: 13 Jul 2000 00:55:28 GMT
Vilmos Soti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan) writes:
[ > 1) How do I get rid of the staircase effect that happens on SOME commands?
[ This is a bit unclear for me. Could you elaborate a bit more on this?
[ What commands create staircase effect? Is this staircase effect related
[ in any way to the printer staircase effect?
Sometimes when the output is almost a page (or longer) it suddenly stops
in mid-line, so I have to press Enter and the prompt comes up. Maybe the
correct term is Wordwrap. When I get online on the mainbox and I use w3m
to surf the web in text mode, it's as if somebody stripped all of the
Carriage Returns, so I have to quit. The prompt appears immediately after
(in mid-line) but the wordwrap wont happen until I get some long output
again.
Thanks for the unalias tip; will this mess up my alias forever or it's
only good for that login session?
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Questions here dont appear in another newsserver?
Date: 13 Jul 2000 01:01:23 GMT
I have been trying different newsservers to get to comp.os.linux.misc but
one newserver even had some free sex stuff on it in this newsgroup. Was
that stuff moderated out or something (heh, not that I'm after THAT) but
I was really looking for my latest question
I only saw some old queries I asked long before, why is that?
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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From: Duane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CDrecord
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:23:08 -0700
Hiawatha Bray wrote:
>
> I don't get this. I've recompiled my kernel (RH 6.0) to support SCSI-IDE
> emulation for a CD burner. According to dmesg, it seems to have worked.
> The bootup message says the emulator is running and it says it's detected my
> Ricoh burner as a SCSI CD-ROM device. In fact, it says so 8 times, refering
> to it as sr0 through sr7.
Although the 8 listings are basically harmless, if you decide to
recompile the kernel (likely you missed something, as pointed out in the
other postings), turn off "Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device" under
"SCSI support", and you will only get one listing.
> So why is that when I run "cdrecord -scanbus" I get an error message saying
> "cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver."? What am I
> doing wrong? Thanks.
--
My real email is akamail.com@dclark (or something like that).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Is this a good machine for the money?
Date: 13 Jul 2000 01:23:15 GMT
On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:06 GMT,
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A rather lengthy URL to the VA Linux 420 follows:
>
>
>http://www.valinux.com/systems/configure/index.html?SELECT_2=3&SELECT_3=11&SELECT_4=17&SELECT_5=24&SELECT_6=26&SELECT_7=None&SELECT_8=None&SELECT_9=None&SELECT_10=None&SELECT_11=None&SELECT_12=None&SELECT_13=43&SELECT_14=None&SELECT_15=45&Model=420&ANCHOR=-1&db=2&id=26729&MODEL_LOADED=1&Last_Function=0&max_anchor=15&EndConfig2=1&FINAL_CHECK.x=80&FINAL_CHECK.y=28
>
> I'm looking to use this machine as a low end server rather than a
> workstation, but the servers are out of my pricerange. This box seems
> reasonable at $855. Don't know yet what shipping would bring it up
> to.
Shipping will be cheap most likely. Maybe $50 or so, considering you're
East Coast. For a small (few thousand hits a day) web server or mail
server it should be fine. The single IDE drive may bog things down some
if you're running something disk intensive.
For some reason, I always fear the shipping charges for computers and
then find out that UPS must be a lot cheaper than I'd guess. :)
> Has anyone got any experience with VA Linux?
Not directly... I've done my comparison shopping, though, and they're
one of the companies I check. (I almost always end up at ASL, though,
which is where my latest pair of toys came from and where my next
couple will be from as well. For the class of machine I buy, ASL is a
tad cheaper. See http://www.aslab.com/ for some nifty machines -- you
may like their prices better, too.)
VA, though, is quite reputable, and uses high quality components, as do
most of the Linux hardware vendors. (Geeks are a picky bunch, so the
good vendors use good components: crappy motherboards suck.)
I've yet to hear a complaint about the quality of VA's systems, and
they've sold piles of them. Busy sites like slashdot use VA systems, so
the higher end systems can certainly take a beating.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Changing header info in tin
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:40:09 +0100
Chad Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> I'm using tin for my newsreader and I want to be able to change my name
> and email address. I don't want the username and email address on the
> user on the Linux machine to show up in the header. Is there a way to
> specify what I want them to be? I know I can set the variable REPLYTO,
> but I also want to change the user email address thats in the header.
I think you can change that by editing the tinrc file or going through the
menu of config options...
(Press m and scroll down 'till you see the one asking for your e-mail
address)
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|Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't |
| in | suck is probably the day they start making |
| Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge |
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From: Juergen Pfann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CD Burner woes
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:39:47 +0200
Duane wrote:
>
> And likely they start at sr0 or sr8 and increment from there. This means
> your kernel was compiled with "multiple LUN support"; kind of annoying
> but harmless. Just pay attention to the first listing (lun 0), and
> ignore the rest.
>
> If the first listing has sr0, then cdrecord uses /dev/sga, and disks are
> mounted with /dev/scd0. If the first listing has sr8, then cdrecord uses
> /dev/sgi, and disks are mounted with /dev/scd8 <- I think. You might not
> have the appropriate device files (I am not familiar with RH6.0, only
> RH6.1 and 6.2). If they are not there, they are easy to create. For
> example (I am pretty sure this will hold for RH6.0), for /dev/sgi:
> # cd /dev
> # mknod sgi c 21 8
>
> Or /dev/sga
> # cd /dev
> # mknod sga c 21 0
> (...)
I'd like to clear up things a little bit for the SCSI CDROM and generic
device nodes :
As often in Linux device naming, there is more than one "standard" in
both of these cases - and which one is used, seems arbitrary at first
glance; or better said, it's different among distributions...
Well, for SCSI CD-ROMs, the two schemes are /dev/scd0 to /dev/scd7 resp.
/dev/scd15 vs. /dev/sr[0-15]; both have major 11, minor 0-7/15, resp. -
So some distros install both systems, often as *hard* links to each
other, so that /dev/scd0 and /dev/sr0 actually adress the same device
file, which in turn adresses the same driver, of course. There's no
different behaviour depending on the name - really *just* a matter
of taste.
The same applies to /dev/sg[a-o] vs. /dev/sg[0-15]; major 21, minor
up from 0 (as above). Again, sometimes you'll have both - and e.g.
xcdroast often insists in creating both sets.
One thing I'd like to add about the generic devices : If you happen
to have more SCSI devices (HDs, tapes, scanners, whatever), regardless
if they're "emulated" or "real SCSI", all of them will count as one
each. So if you have an IDE-SCSI burner and a SCSI HD, say, and both
with fully modular driver stack, then the order in which sga and sgb
(or, sg0 and sg1) get assigned will depend of the order you load the
modules for each !! - Just a simple example to tell you to be careful
with that - even if you normally not use the generic interface for
HDs, it counts anyway.
And, last not least, a word about the LUNs : I'd really recommend
to disable "multiple LUN support" unless you really have a CD changer
or tape library where your SCSI BIOS already shows their LUNs - for
the rest of us, this doesn't make sense and is only confusing.
And - I always thought you'd have max. 8 LUNS then, counting from
0 to 7, not 8 (?).
Just my 2 (rather 3) c
Juergen
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Reply-To: "Chris Cantwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Chris Cantwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: eth1 fails on boot!!
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:41:44 -0400
You may have an IRQ conflict with your 3c509 card on IRQ=5
Chris Cantwell
"Devon Harding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Ua4b5.226$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> insmod seems to fail on boot-up.
>
> When I try it manually insmod 3c509 after boot, it fails the first time
> with:
> 'resource busy'
>
> then when I retry again, it says:
> eth1: 3c509 at 0x320 tag 1, 10baseT port, address 00 a0 24 78 8a ab, IRQ
5.
> 3c509.c:1.16 (2.2) 2/3/98 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Then when I do 'ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1', it says:
> eth1: Setting Rx mode to 1 addresses.
>
> Here's a few lines from my /var/log/messages:
>
> Jul 9 13:36:10 mars network: Setting network parameters succeeded
> Jul 9 13:36:11 mars ifup: eth0: Host name lookup failure
> Jul 9 13:36:12 mars network: Bringing up interface lo succeeded
> Jul 9 13:36:13 mars ifup: Determining IP information for eth0...
> Jul 9 13:36:13 mars pumpd[283]: starting at (uptime 0 days, 0:00:42) Sun
Jul
> 9 13:36:13 2000
> Jul 9 13:36:21 mars syslog: syslogd startup succeeded
> Jul 9 13:36:13 mars pumpd[283]: configured interface eth0
> Jul 9 13:36:13 mars ifup: done.
> Jul 9 13:36:14 mars network: Bringing up interface eth0 succeeded
> Jul 9 13:36:14 mars insmod: /lib/modules/2.2.14-5.0/net/3c509.o: invalid
> parameter parm_io
> Jul 9 13:36:14 mars ifup: Delaying eth1 initialization.
> Jul 9 13:36:14 mars network: Bringing up interface eth1 failed
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Madhusudan Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: A question about a hard drive and RAM upgrade.
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:29:40 -0400
Hi
I have a Dell Optiplex GX1 system (P-450)with 64 MB RAM and 4.3 GB hard
disk.
As was inevitable, I am feeling the need to increase both.
Now, comes the hard part : I have two partitions on my hard disk - one
for Windows 98 (for kid stuff) and one for Linux (for serious work). The
hard disk is split roughly even between the two.
If I go ahead and attach a 10 GB hard disk in addition to my 4.3 GB
hard
disk, how would I make use of it ? I mean what I want is to shift the
entire Windows OS to a portion of that hard disk, partition it, and claim
the rest of the space for Linux as well as the space vacated on the
original hard disk.
If this is possible (sounds possible to me), how do I do it ?
I expect the RAM addition - 128 MB (in addition to 64 MB I already
posess) to be relatively uncomplicated. Tell me if there are some issues
involved here.
What is the typical bill for these additions ?
Thanks in advance,
Madhusudan Singh.
PS : I would appreciate an email copy of your response.
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From: Grant Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.printers,comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: Dithering in gs on Linux
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:32:20 GMT
Al Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Visit this site for good info on printing under Linux:
> http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/
Hi Al. I've moved, to http://www.linuxprinting.org/
Also, you're pointing this guy in circles. My site *is* the Printing
HOWTO he started with! ;)
--
Grant Taylor - gtaylor@picante<dot>com - http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/
Linux Printing HOWTO and Website: http://www.linuxprinting.org/
I offer consulting in most things Unix/Linux/*BSD/Perl/C/C++
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Changing header info in tin
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:27:31 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] did eloquently scribble:
> Chad Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
>> I'm using tin for my newsreader and I want to be able to change my name
>> and email address. I don't want the username and email address on the
>> user on the Linux machine to show up in the header. Is there a way to
>> specify what I want them to be? I know I can set the variable REPLYTO,
>> but I also want to change the user email address thats in the header.
> I think you can change that by editing the tinrc file or going through the
> menu of config options...
> (Press m and scroll down 'till you see the one asking for your e-mail
> address)
Just correcting myself... Press 'M', not 'm'...
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| in | get out the puncture repair kit!" |
| Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf |
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From: "Philo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: A question about a hard drive and RAM upgrade.
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:37:36 -0500
What you are proposing would work.
A simple solution would be to just add your new disk ...keep your operating
systems as they are...and have each make use of the new drive
...however...i would be a bit uncomfortable having two operating systems
split up over two drives.
I personally would let the kids have the ENTIRE 4.3 gig disk for Windows...
then you take the ENTIRE 10gig disk for Linux.
This way the kids can do whatever they want PLUS
Didn't you REALLY want to do a totally fresh Linux installation and correct
all those little things you wanted to improve upon?
Philo
Madhusudan Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi
> I have a Dell Optiplex GX1 system (P-450)with 64 MB RAM and 4.3 GB hard
> disk.
>
> As was inevitable, I am feeling the need to increase both.
> Now, comes the hard part : I have two partitions on my hard disk - one
> for Windows 98 (for kid stuff) and one for Linux (for serious work). The
> hard disk is split roughly even between the two.
> If I go ahead and attach a 10 GB hard disk in addition to my 4.3 GB
> hard
> disk, how would I make use of it ? I mean what I want is to shift the
> entire Windows OS to a portion of that hard disk, partition it, and claim
> the rest of the space for Linux as well as the space vacated on the
> original hard disk.
> If this is possible (sounds possible to me), how do I do it ?
> I expect the RAM addition - 128 MB (in addition to 64 MB I already
> posess) to be relatively uncomplicated. Tell me if there are some issues
> involved here.
>
> What is the typical bill for these additions ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Madhusudan Singh.
>
> PS : I would appreciate an email copy of your response.
>
>
>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Is this a good machine for the money?
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:00:13 GMT
"Chris Harshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' VA builds good boxes. I've worked on them from afar, and I've recommended
' them for a major initiative we're about to launch. Some of the things they
' do to tweak the software package installed is brilliant to the point of
' "Duh!" (as in, "why didn't *I* think of that?!).
Really? I'm cusious as to what they do?
I'm looking to build or buy the VA box for use as a *cheap* server for
colocating with my ISP. I really love those *thin* rack mount units
they have, but even their modest price breaks my shoe string :-(
' $855 isn't bad. You could probably build it yourself for that much, but the
' headache factor would be considerably greater. (I lived on a Linux
' shoestring for a long time, building and rebuilding Celerons, P166MMX's,
' etc. It was fun when it was the only option. Now that I have the ability
' to simply order systems, guess what I do?)
I have a friend who says that's rather high. I've looked at
tomshardware and have seen enough formfactors and chipsets to blow my
brains out. I'm just not a hardware geek. I'm going to see if he can
actually do better. If not, it's VA for me.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
``This case serves as a dire warning to all burglars. Any citizen is
entitled to use reasonable force. A householder in his own home might
not be reasonable and that can have tragic consequences''
--- Mr Justice Owen at Tony Martin's murder trial as quoted by
http://www.norfolk-now.co.uk/
The ``From'' address is a valid e-mail address.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Is this a good machine for the money?
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:00:14 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) writes:
' tad cheaper. See http://www.aslab.com/ for some nifty machines -- you
' may like their prices better, too.)
Thanks for the link. I like their laptops. Whish I could justify
buying another.
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entitled to use reasonable force. A householder in his own home might
not be reasonable and that can have tragic consequences''
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Subject: Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor?
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:00:15 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
' I use now is TeX, which is, of course, not WYSIWYG but is a word
' processor. So, WYSIWYGness is not equivalent to word processing.
Are you using the Auctex (did I get that right?) package for TeX?
There is no real limit to what you can do with XEmacs. I too am using
GNUS. I use VM for my e-mail though.
Although I've been saying it for years now, I fully plan to learn
elisp. In the meantime, I do get syntax highlighting for my html
work, C++ cc-mode works nice.
Bottom line, all my editing, with the exception of a few quick hacks
to config files, is done with XEmacs. I do occasionally use vim for
those quick hacks, but I don't like too. Main reason for that is
because I don't know all the nifty commands to move text around and
such.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
``This case serves as a dire warning to all burglars. Any citizen is
entitled to use reasonable force. A householder in his own home might
not be reasonable and that can have tragic consequences''
--- Mr Justice Owen at Tony Martin's murder trial as quoted by
http://www.norfolk-now.co.uk/
The ``From'' address is a valid e-mail address.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
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Subject: Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor?
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:00:16 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
' You're right. One needs a text editor (emacs, vi,...) and some way to
' output the result (dvips + a postscript printer for instance, and ideally
' a viewer like ghostview) to make a complete word processing package.
Ahh! So to be a word processor, the program needs to be completely
self contained? That is, it needs to directly produce the output
based on your input?
If so, the lines are still blurred. The emacs family use outside
programs to do things like grep, ftp, ispell, etc. There is nothing
to stop XEmacs from invoking the appropriate tex, latax, pdftex, etc
processor to generate your output from within XEmacs.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
``This case serves as a dire warning to all burglars. Any citizen is
entitled to use reasonable force. A householder in his own home might
not be reasonable and that can have tragic consequences''
--- Mr Justice Owen at Tony Martin's murder trial as quoted by
http://www.norfolk-now.co.uk/
The ``From'' address is a valid e-mail address.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
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