Linux-Misc Digest #265, Volume #25 Fri, 28 Jul 00 18:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: alsa sucks
Re: eth0 delaying initialization - why? (Elliott)
Re: Mail from Linux to MS-Windows-Postoffice ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Helix upgade trashed Sawfish (sandrews)
Re: Downloading latest version of Redhat in one file ("Breinie")
Re: Powerful software (David Steuber)
Re: Oh no! (David Steuber)
Quicktime player? (Sorenson Video) (David Steuber)
Re: "dd" copy fails to copy errors (John Gog)
Re: downloading ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Slackware 7.1 asks for Disk A, B , C , D .... during install ? ("tvn")
Re: who is responsible for the cache? (Larry Ebbitt)
Re: Building a Linux Server from scratch: Experiences? (Bob Martin)
Re: helix evolution (Aaron Ginn)
softwareraid slow (peter pilsl)
Re: finding my hacks (Larry Ebbitt)
Re: Operating systems for personal-computers? (Robert Werry)
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: alsa sucks
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:26:29 -0600
Well, how did you install alsa? By some pre-compiled binaries? Or you
just compiled it by yourself? If so, did you enable oss emulation when
configuring? And, did you run 'snddevices' to create necessary devices
in /dev directory? The last two steps are important to get KDE to
make sound.
Good luck.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, gLiTcH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Is there any reason why once alsa is installed nothing can find the
> devices it creates, not even a copy command? I can use the aplay
> utility to play a wav file and it works fine. I can save and restore the
> volume settings. But if I try to play anything in KDE NOTHING works.
> Everythin complains of not being able to open the audio device and I
> have no clue why. It is making me mad. I did everything right and that
> is proven by the aplay util playing wav files just fine but KDE refuses
> to notice that I did anything with ALSA. What the hell am I supposed to
> do to get KDE to use the mixers ALSA installed????? At this time kmpg
> only wants to use kmix and even with that it complains that it cant open
> it and to chmod a+rw /dev/mixer* but I did that and I got the same damn
> error. What the hell does it want?
>
> thanks for any information Brandon
>
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From: Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.linux
Subject: Re: eth0 delaying initialization - why?
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:33:47 GMT
When installing RH6.1, we installed the LILO (LInux LOader, or something). According
to my RH
manual, page 444, I should use the de4x5.o module. However, I will also try tulip, as
you
suggested. I also added another ethernet card just to see if that would help. It
didnt. I added a
3Com EtherLink III (Module 3c507). Same old error. I also have specified the io
address and the
irq. Still same error (eth0: Delaying Initialization). I will try a boot disk. Any
ideas on how to
create the boot disk? any help would, of course, be appreaciated. thanks!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; newsgroups, too.
Hakan Erdogan wrote:
> Here is how my problem with the same card solved. I also get the sendmail pause
> thing (still).
> First, my question is do you use loadlin to load linux or lilo? I used to use
>loadlin and it
> did not work. My guess is that windows plays with the PCI bios or something so that
>the driver
> (tulip.o) could not detect the card correctly. There is a program tulip-diag.c that
>is
> supposed to diagnose the problem. When I ran it, it was saying that PCI bios does
>not show
> correct IRQ or something. You can also try it. When I used a boot disk, the driver
>worked
> correctly!!! Also, you need the latest version of tulip.c to detect LinkSys card and
>compile
> it. After loading the module, check the messages with dmesg and see if the driver is
>loading
> properly with the correct IRQ and everything. Good luck. Then I guess ifup should
>work.
>
> Elliott wrote:
>
> > Ok. I tried the settings that you gave me, and I still get the same error,
> > only now the machine pauses for ever on semdmail, so I turned sendmail off.
> > Anyway, linux is not very fun with out an internet connection.... Here is what
> > I know about my ether net card (printed from some program in windoze...):
> >
> > xE800 - xE8FF Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter
> >
> > IRQ 10 Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter
> > IRQ 10 Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> > IRQ 10 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
> > IRQ 10 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
> >
> > xEA800000 - xEA8000FF Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter
> >
> > Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter
> > Net
> > Registry Key:
> >
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\PCI\VEN_11AD&DEV_C115&SUBSYS_C00111AD&REV_25\BUS_00&DEV_0A&FUNC_00
> >
> > Alloc resources: Logical Configuration 0
> > IRQ: 10 Mask: xFFFF
> > IO Range: Base=xE800 End=xE8FF
> > Min=x0000 Max=xFFFF Alias=xFF, Decode=x00
> > Memory Address Range: Base= xEA800000 End=
> > xEA8000FF Min= x00000000 Max= xFFFFFFFF
> > Forced resources: None
> > Boot resources: None
> > Filtered resources: Logical Configuration 0
> > IRQ: 10 Mask: xFFFF
> > IO Range: Base=xE800 End=xE8FF
> > Min=x0000 Max=xFFFF Alias=xFF, Decode=x00
> > Memory Address Range: Base= xEA800000 End=
> > xEA8000FF Min= x00000000 Max= xFFFFFFFF
> > Basic resources: Logical Configuration 0
> > IRQ: 0 Mask: xFFFF
> > IO Range: Base=xE800 End=xE8FF
> > Min=x0000 Max=xFFFF Alias=xFF, Decode=x00
> > Memory Address Range: Base= xEA800000 End=
> > xEA8000FF Min= x00000000 Max= xFFFFFFFF
> > HW Revision: 037
> > Driver: Net\0002
> > Driver Date: 2- 9-1999
> > Driver: LNE100TX.sys
> > File Size: 32768 (0x8000)
> > File Date: 12/17/1998 10:3
> > PM
> > Company Name: Linksys
> > Group, Inc.
> > File Version: 4.20
> >
> > Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter
> > Original Configuration Mon Aug 28 10:10:23 2000 to Date
> > Alloc resources: Logical Configuration 0
> > IRQ: 10 Mask: xFFFF
> > IO Range: Base=xE800 End=xE8FF
> > Min=x0000 Max=xFFFF Alias=xFF, Decode=x00
> > Memory Address Range: Base= xEA800000 End=
> > xEA8000FF Min= x00000000 Max= xFFFFFFFF
> > Driver: LNE100TX.sys 12/17/1998
> > 10:3 PM Size: 32768
> >
> > LNE100TX 4.20 Linksys Group, Inc. Linksys LNE100TX NDIS 3.1 Driver
> > C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\LNE100TX.sys Plug and Play NT driver Linksys LNE100TX Fast
> > Ethernet Driver
> >
> > From what I have read in another reply, I need to disable the PNP OS in my
> > bios setup. Well, it was allready disabled. But there is a whole lota stuff in
> > there... any ideas?
> > thanks!
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or newsgroups.
> >
> > "Quiney, Philip [HAL02:HH00:EXCH]" wrote:
> >
> > > Elliott wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just installed a new hard drive and now have two drives, we have
> > > > windows on one and linux on the other (redhat 6.1) it dualboots fine. In
> > > > windoze the ethernet card works fine and uses dhcp to grab it's IP
> > > > address. In redhat however when it boots up I get a message that says
> > > > eth0: Delaying Initialization or something like that. I when I type ifup
> > > > eth0 we get the same message.
> > > >
> > > > Help.
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to do dhcp remember...
> > > > thank you
> > > >
> > > > You can email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The message 'Delaying Initialization' usually means that the card is not
> > > being found. You didn't say what type of card it is.
> > >
> > > Check /etc/conf.modules to see what eth0 is aliased as...
> > >
> > > [root@phard1e0 net]# cat /etc/conf.modules
> > > alias eth0 3c59x
> > > ..snip..
> > >
> > > in my case
> > >
> > > For some NIC (such as NE2000 clones) you need to give it a hint by
> > > specifying base i/o address
> > > eg
> > >
> > > alias eth0 io=0x300 (or whatever).
> > >
> > > If you don't know what this is then get hold of the diagnostic disk that
> > > come with most NICs and switch off pnp mode on the card (put in
> > > 'jumperless' mode) and set the base address/irq manually. Normally if
> > > you give the base address correctly the driver can figure out the irq
> > > for itself. You will normally need to use a DOS boot disk to run these
> > > diagnostic programs.
> > >
> > > I would pull the plug on the internet link and try to bring the card up
> > > manually. The configuration is in
> > > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
> > >
> > > Copy this file to a safe place and then change the BOOTPROTO variable to
> > > BOOTPROTO=static and setp up a static address (from the non-routable
> > > series)...
> > >
> > > DEVICE=eth0
> > > BOOTPROTO=static
> > > BROADCAST=10.0.0.255
> > > IPADDR=10.0.0.1
> > > NETMASK=255.255.255.0
> > > NETWORK=10.0.0.0
> > > ONBOOT=yes
> > >
> > > You can use 'ifup eth0' 'ifdown eth0' to bring the inteface up & down.
> > > Once the driver module loads (use lsmod to see what modules you have
> > > loaded) you will need to use 'rmmod' to remove it.
> > >
> > > Once working you can restore your ifcfg-eth0 original and all should be
> > > well..
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Phil Q
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Phil Quiney CSIP Demonstrator
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nortel Networks,
> > > Telephone: +44 (1279) 402363 London Rd, Harlow,
> > > Fax: +44 (1279) 402885 Essex CM17 9NA,
> > > United Kingdom.
> > >
> > > "This message may contain information proprietary to Northern
> > > Telecom so any unauthorised disclosure, copying or distribution
> > > of its contents is strictly prohibited."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mail from Linux to MS-Windows-Postoffice
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:28:08 GMT
Try doing a "man mail" to see if that will do.
In article <8lsj1l$si1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> how can i sent a Mail from Linux e.g. from a Shellscript to the
> MS-Windwos-Postoffice, so that i can read it e.g. with Outlook.
>
> I dont want to use a POP-Server!
>
> Thanks
> Stephan
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:45:17 -0400
From: sandrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.X
Subject: Re: Helix upgade trashed Sawfish
Lloyd Llewelyn wrote:
>
> Hello -
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> > the configuration
> > file for X and the WM files in my home directory. Upon a restart
> > all was well.
>
> I'm pretty new to linux (few weeks) - can you tell me which files I'm
> looking for?
directories:
.gnome
.gnome-desktop
.gnome-private
.xauth
.ICEauthority
file:
.Xauthority
.Xresources
you may want to back them up before removing them.
Anothyer way to check your install is to create a new
user with
adduser and then login and run startx. See if it comes
up right.
--
M$ Windows is aptly named, after all, it's easily
broken, and offers little
security, just like the glass ones...
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From: "Breinie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Downloading latest version of Redhat in one file
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:49:04 +0200
Yes there are. If you've got a CD burner it's simple... There are files
which are made to burn a CD from, called ISO's. On redhat.com (or mirrors)
are iso's of their latest version (6.2). Download that file (+/- size of
CD: 650MB) and burn it (with CDRWin or so).
If you don't have a CD burner it's a bit more complicated. You can split the
file in their original files with the programme: 'winimage' (download at
tucows.com).
I did the first yesterday and it worked fine with me. You'll need a lot of
bandwith though if you'll want to do such a thing (downloading 650MB in one
file). And please use a download manager (like Go!Zilla (also at
tucows.com)).
Succes!
Paul.
Ps. You really want to download of a mirror site (in you're neighborhood)
and not directly from redhat.com (it's slow and you don't want to suck up
their bandwith).
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8lsdph$o4f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8ls52i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Rich Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > All,
> > I am behind a firewall which only allows me to use my browser to
> download
> > files via FTP. Does anyone know of (or can provide for this weekend)
> a site
> > that I can download Redhat in one file?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >Being able to download by FTP only will not stop you from getting the
> RedHat files. Start an FTP client such as WS_FTP and connect to
> ftp.redhat.com or one of the mirror sites. You can then tag the 6.2
> installation files you want in one group and they will transfer to
> you. Do not attempt to do this with the browser function due the total
> number of files. There is no single file download for any linux
> version. The total package is too big for a single download. I just
> did a Slackware download yesterday and am doing an update to my RedHat
> today. I am behind a firewall and have FTP for file transfer. When a
> package is in the range of 100 mb or larger no body wants to build a
> file that big. Good luck on whatever method you try.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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Subject: Re: Powerful software
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:00:02 GMT
X-Complaints-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Complaint sent.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
--- Devon Miller
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Subject: Re: Oh no!
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:00:03 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink) writes:
' I have only minimal experience with RPM, but on my Debian system,
' running the development "unstable" release, I've never had problems
' with library conflicts. Ever. Not even during the infamous libc
' upgrades.
You must be compiling from source then. That seems to be the most
reliable distribution method for Linux.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
--- Devon Miller
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Subject: Quicktime player? (Sorenson Video)
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:00:02 GMT
Xanim doesn't play Sorenson Video encoded Quicktime .mov files,
neither do any other players I've found for Linux. I might have
missed some though. Does anyone have a link to the homepage of a
Linux Quicktime video player that *does* support this CODEC?
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
--- Devon Miller
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Subject: Re: "dd" copy fails to copy errors
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Gog)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:09:17 GMT
On July 27 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rasputin) wrote:
> I remember hearing the same thing when friends of mine were thinking
> of burning, erm, 'offsite backups' of certain PSX games.
>
> I put it down as a urban myth at the time, though.
EA used this method forever. They used what some called "staggered
sectors" at the beginning of the disk.
--
John Gog (Delete REMOVE to e-mail)
Advanced Systems Design
Opinions expressed are my fault; advice is worth what it cost.
Using: OUI PRO 1.9.2 from <http://www.ouisoft.com>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: downloading
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:15:00 GMT
In article <8ls1mg$ak1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trevor Brown) wrote:
> Hi:
>
> What I'm wondering is if I can download a Linux program in Windows to
a
> file, and then access it in Linux later. Will the program survive the
> translation process, or not? If I have to have my internet access in
> Linux, then I'm going to have to spend some more money to get that to
> happen. Right now I've got Juno, but they are MS Windows only.
>
> --
> Trevor
>
I frequently dowload modules and patches for future use using windows.
The only thing I take care doing is always using a "save-as" in order
to preserve filenames. Later I can boot into Linux and copy the files
from the DOS partition to the Linux one. I also use the zip disks,
floppies and burn CD's to get the files I want. My internet access is
from a local ISP and my connection works in Windows or Linux. If that
means you have to get a generic provider then you might have to. Good
luck.
Richard Lyon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "tvn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware 7.1 asks for Disk A, B , C , D .... during install ?
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:40:02 -0400
I've just read the FAQ on slackware's webpage .... but that still doesn't
help to solve the problem. Where can I find those packages ?
The distribution I had was downloaded from the net (iso image and burn to
CD) ... it's merely 640 megs
"tvn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8lrflq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I 've downloaded and tried to installed slack 7.1 but during the
> installation , it keeps asking for somekind of cd (or disc) A, B , D , E
,
> ....
>
> I don't know what those are so I skipped all of it and the result is I
can't
> boot to slack after the installation .
>
>
> Any hints ?
>
>
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:29:34 -0400
From: Larry Ebbitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: who is responsible for the cache?
Robert Schweikert wrote:
> > AFAIK, it's the motherboard chipset. Sounds like you've got hardware
> > problems to me. Compiling something large (liek gcc or the kernel) puts a
> > lot of strain on memory, and I've had machines with flakey hardware that
> > seemed fine until I tried to compile something.
> I've tested a different memory stick and had the same problem.
The cache is definitely a hardware responsibility. It's unlikely that a
memory stick would have any effect. It's difficult to imagine what software
could do to mess it up. Cache memory access patterns can be vastly
different between two compiles of different source. About all software can
do is invalidate cache under certain circumstances like context switch.
--
Larry Ebbitt - Linux + OS/2 - Atlanta
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Building a Linux Server from scratch: Experiences?
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:32:43 +0000
David Steuber wrote:
>
[snip]
> Has anyone else had similar experiences to mine? Does life get easier
> in the build your own PC game? I feel a lot like I should have just
> gone with VA Linux and be done with it.
>
> Now I have an e-mail to send.
>
The last computer I bought "pre-built" was an XT back in '85, since then
I have built all of mine from parts. Back then you could save a great
deal of money because you paid a premium to have an IBM label on your
box. These days PCs have become a commodity item and you can end up
paying more by building it yourself. It stills gives you the advantage
of getting exactly what you want and if something goes wrong your more
likely to know how to fix it. But places like emachines are basically
making disposable computers, keep it 2 years and buy a new one, dump the
old one.
As far as vendors go , sometimes your parts can come at different times
because they can be shipped from different warehouses in different
locations. One thing you have to watch is the shipping, they can
blindside you with that. I have generally good luck with most place I
have ordered from , a few of the ones I like now are:
allstarshop.com , axiontech.com, and onsale.com. Shipment was on time,
no missing parts and shipping was reasonable.
Check sysopt.com for some technical articles and they also have link to
a reseller ratings page that rates vendors.
--
Bob Martin
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From: Aaron Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: helix evolution
Date: 28 Jul 2000 14:07:23 -0700
"m.nine.six" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> hi,
>
> i'm trying to compile the evolution package. but i don't want to mix the
> unstable required package into my system for this reason i want to
> copile all the packages into '/evo' dir. but now the 'configure' can't
> find the required packages in '/evo'.
>
> and my question: how can i tell configure that some of the required
> packages (like gnome-print) are in '/evo' (with sub dirs like bin, lib,
> include, share...)?
Try ./configure --prefix=/evo
--
Aaron J. Ginn Motorola SPS
Phone: (480) 814-4463 SemiCustom Solutions
Fax: (480) 814-4058 1300 N. Alma School Rd.
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Chandler, AZ 85226
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From: peter pilsl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: softwareraid slow
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:40:02 GMT
I´ve set up a software-raid0 under the 2.2.16-kernel, but its not faster
than one of the drives on its own.
hdb on ide channel0 and hdc on ide-channel1 are the same models and both
splitted into two partitions of the same size. hdb1 and hdc1 form a raid0-
drive md0 and have to compare on speed with hdc2.
results using bonnie:
# bonnie -d /mnt/hdc2 -s 1000
File '/mnt/hdc2//Bonnie.3349', size: 1048576000, volumes: 1
Writing with putc()... done: 1523 kB/s 89.0 %CPU
Rewriting... done: 2466 kB/s 62.9 %CPU
Writing intelligently...done: 4800 kB/s 56.7 %CPU
Reading with getc()... done: 1617 kB/s 93.0 %CPU
Reading intelligently...done: 5388 kB/s 75.0 %CPU
# bonnie -d /mnt/md0 -s 1000
File '/mnt/md0//Bonnie.3414', size: 1048576000, volumes: 1
Writing with putc()... done: 1537 kB/s 75.3 %CPU
Rewriting... done: 2464 kB/s 46.4 %CPU
Writing intelligently...done: 5524 kB/s 23.2 %CPU
Reading with getc()... done: 1546 kB/s 94.1 %CPU
Reading intelligently...done: 5395 kB/s 94.6 %CPU
any help appretiated,
peter
configuration:
# cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [linear] [raid0] [raid1] [raid5] [translucent]
read_ahead 1024 sectors
md0 : active raid0 hdb1[1] hdc1[0] 12095744 blocks 4k chunks
unused devices: <none>
# cat /etc/raidtab
raiddev /dev/md0
raid-level 0
nr-raid-disks 2
persistent-superblock 1
chunk-size 4
device /dev/hdc1
raid-disk 0
device /dev/hdb1
raid-disk 1
--
pilsl@
goldfisch.at
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:53:17 -0400
From: Larry Ebbitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: finding my hacks
robin wrote:
>
> I figured that out now, this gives me a list of packaged files which I
> might have to consider when I move to an updated version (stuff like
> /etc/ppp/options). Trouble is ther are literally hundreds of
> initialisation files for mail, kde, gnome etc which apparently don't
> belong in any particular package and I can't tell if I need to keep
> any/all of them.
You really have to keep notes documenting all the changes you make. I
don't mean to sound like an old professor, I'm just finding out the same
thing and trying to teach myself such behavior to preserve what little is
left of my sanity. My memory is no longer a factor <g>.
--
Larry Ebbitt - Linux + OS/2 - Atlanta
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Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.lang.oberon,comp.os.lynx,comp.os.mach,comp.os.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.psion.misc
From: Robert Werry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Operating systems for personal-computers?
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:12:11 +1100
In article <MztuwCAZ6Ne5Ew$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kelly and Sandy
<URL:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a alt.os.linux.mandrake newsletter entitled "LINUX SUX THE BIG
> WAZOO!", Rootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>
> >Linux isn't for everyone it certainly isn't for the average user
> >for a desktop PC - although it will gladly fill that role if
> >desired. It requires the user to relearn a lot of the ingrained
> >ideas that MS has foisted off on us over the years and forces the
> >user to actually understand what he is doing.
> >
> >If you don't like it then don't use it. Donate you CD to a local
> >school or friend who can put it to use. Linux works, it was you
> >that failed to understand it's intracasies and nuances. Move on,
> >go back to Windows and chalk it up to experience.
>
>
> My middle name is "Newbie".
>
>
> I'd like to ask any people who happen to be browsing this newsletter
> what viable personal computer operating systems are available today,
> besides your Microsoft.
>
>
> There's the Macintosh (MacOS) Next computer I get will be a Mac.
> There's Linux Hmm, we all know and love this one.
> There's Oberon Not cooperative multitasking?
> There's BeOS Thin, very thin, last I looked.
> There's EPOC32 Nice. Is this only for handhelds?
> There's OS2 Not sure. Is this still ongoing?
>
>
> By "viable", I refer to the intuited meaning: that my grandmother
> could start use it and begin to think of the computer as her "personal
> computer".
>
>
> In all seriousness, is there anything else I should consider?
There most certainly is!
RISC OS is probably the most intuitive and easy to use operating system
available and has a pedigree as long as your ARM (pun intended).
Many of the better features of other operating systems have been "borrowed"
from it. Better still, it comes on ROM chip (no corruption or virus problems),
in some of the world's most reliable and impressive computers - all based on
British ARM RISC processors (just like the latest Psions):
Acorn (manufactured by Castle Technology)
RiscStation (RiscStation Ltd)
Mico (Microdigital Ltd)
On top of all of this, there is a wide range of superb commercial software
available.
Have a look at http://www.castle.org.uk/
--
Robert Werry .^.
Robert Werry Computer Services '___'
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