Linux-Misc Digest #265, Volume #19 Tue, 2 Mar 99 16:13:11 EST
Contents:
demand dialing vs. the other demand dialing (Alan Curry)
Re: FreeBSD vs LINUX (Norbert Grundmann)
Re: Backup software (Paul Davis)
Re: FreeAgent for Linux (Anatol Quabach)
Multisession (Thomas Mueller)
KDE and KOffice (rhino)
Re: Stop this bogosity, damnit! Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Lance Woodson)
Re: mkisofs AND loopback mount ("Thomas T. Veldhouse")
Re: Help! My printer won't print at all! (Gary Krupa)
Re: Newbie - plz help (Houben S.H.M.J.)
Announcing Project LIMP (Jordan Husney)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PPP + Laptop + Desktop (Sam E. Trenholme)
reading ext2 partition from within win95 (Sami Yousif)
Re: Public license question (Gergo Barany)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Michael Powe)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Michael Powe)
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Subject: demand dialing vs. the other demand dialing
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Curry)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:03:27 GMT
Has anyone successfully used the pppd "demand" option, or is it considered a
joke and diald the True Way?
Does "pppd demand" randomly eat all your existing routes, effectively turing
off the ethernet device, or am I seeing things?
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From: Norbert Grundmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs LINUX
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:07:36 +0000
Donn Miller wrote:
> Seth Van Oort wrote:
>
> > James Fox wrote:
> >
> > > What are the pros and cons? I'll be using the JDK, GNU-C++,
> > > Apache, Netscape, etc. What are the chances of a merger of Linux
> > > and FreeBSD?
> >
> > you mean an honest to goodness merger? If you witnessed the spat that's
> > been taking place over the past three weeks, I'd say the chances aren't
> > too good.
>
> I asked the same question a couple of weeks back. A merger isn't going to
> happen, as FreeBSD and Linux have different models for development. The
> kernel code for each OS is different, and FreeBSD would like stay with the
> legacy BSD kernel code as much possible. The best you could do is invent
> a common i386 binary type that runs on the i386 versions of FreeBSD and
> Linux.
>
> Just check on the thread I started, called FreeBSD/Linux project from
> about 2 weeks ago. You could probably actually found a new OS, whose
> kernel, source code, etc. are derived from both FreeBSD and Linux.
>
> Donn
Hello,
why put them together? If they are different, it is ok. The market
is enriched by many systems, not a 'monolithic' one. Like many
ideas avoid having a braindead in a system, different unix systems
can help each other and go further in development. If the development
would be put together the result is often a slower and slower growing
product, or a product that can everything like a car that can fly, swim,
drive and more, but is neither a car, boat, rocket or airplane.
I like FreeBSD and prefer it, but I have respect on Linux.
Greetings, Norbert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Davis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Backup software
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 99 13:43:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I use KBackup by Karsten Balluder.
http://www.phy.hw.ac.uk/~karsten/KBackup/
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Rick Knight" writes:
> Can anyone recommend a backup/restore program for Linux (RH 5.2) and=20
> X? I have a Seagate STT28000n SCSI Travan tape drive GUI based program=20
> to use with it. I've tried Knox's ARKEIA but it seems to buggy and the=20
> backup utility that comes with KDE doesn't support my drive.
>
-Paul
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From: Anatol Quabach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FreeAgent for Linux
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:07:03 +0100
Bud Rogers wrote:
>
> > I have heard rumours (from god knows where) that there is a Linux porting
> > project of the Agent reader going on. Can anyone confirm this?
>
> As in a port by Forte? Be still my beating heart. I don't think so. The
> day they announced the first non-beta release of Agent, I sent them a long
> email more or less begging them to do a Linux port and volunteering as beta
> tester #1. I got no response. At all.
Afaik they dropped agent after the 1.5. It's quite unlikely
they'd port it to Linux. But maybe begging Microplanet to
port Gravity to Linux might be worth a try.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:06:15 -0500
From: Thomas Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Multisession
Hallo
Is it possible to create Multisession CDs with x-cdroast?
Thanks for answers
Thomas
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From: rhino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KDE and KOffice
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:18:41 -0500
Hi all,
I'm using KDE1.1-0.1 and am interested in installing KOffice, which is supposed
to need a development version of the KDE libs plus a host of other stuff which
I am supposed to be able to download from the KDE ftp site.
Does anyone know what mico2.2.3 is exactly? I can't find this file anywhere in
the KDE ftp site, nor their mirrors...
And I have downloaded kde-libs1.1-3.xxx.xxx.i386.rpm into my hard drive - now,
can I just rpm -Uvh this lib or must I download the ENTIRE collection (base,
support, apps etc.) for this new version (1.1-3) and upgrade my existing KDE
system? I'm a newbie so I don't quite know what to do...
Pls reply by email if possible - thanks.
rhi
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From: Lance Woodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Stop this bogosity, damnit! Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:04:26 -0600
DrBoom wrote:
>
> Even a *nix newbie like me running a dain-bramaged newsreader like
> Netscape knows to which ng's he is posting. The bright blue underlined
> newsgroup names are a subtle hint for the clue-impaired. Give it a try
> -- it's not GPL'd. ;-)
In Netscape, when clicking on a news group to view the messages, the
newsgroup is highlighted in bright blue. When posting, the newsgroup is
only faintly outlined.
Lance Woodson
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From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mkisofs AND loopback mount
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:03:42 -0600
>
> mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 rawimage /mountpoint
>
>Directories below 8 levels have dissappeared and a simple find comes up
with
>No such file or directory -- and stops. Looking at the mounted filesystem,
>the directories in question have no "." or "..".
>
RockRidge extensions on ISO9660 forbid any deaper. I believe that
mkisofs-1.12b4, which you are using, allows for Joliet extensions. If you
do:
mkisofs -r -J -o filename -V VolID sourcedir/
you can make a hybrid CD that has both RockRidge and Joliet extensions.
That is how I make my CD's viewable from both FreeBSD (no Joliet support)
and Windows. I am not sure if it will allow you to have a filesystem any
deeper than you had before though. If you are simply using the disk with
Linux (not a distribution CD), then you could try putting a ext2 filesystem
on there, but I would worry about wasted space.
Tom Veldhouse
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Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
From: Gary Krupa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help! My printer won't print at all!
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:26:46 -0800
Youngser,
I'm puzzled by your response. I checked my BIOS
setup, and could find no "auto" or "enable"
setting for the parallel port. Instead, it only
permits "EPP" or some variation thereof.
Moreover, I've heard repeatedly that the settings
in Linux aren't affected by the BIOS settings. So
this is news to me that your Linux settings were.
In any case, my BIOS settings had nothing to do
with the problem. I haven't changed them at all
lately.
Gary Krupa
On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Youngser Park wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Thank you for your quick response.
> My solution was much simpler.
>
> As someone else mentioned on other threads, I realized that
> my BIOS setup for the parallel port was "auto". After I
> changed it to "enable", voila! it prints ok.
>
> I remember I played with it a while ago, and also recompiled
> my kernel several times, so it must be messed up at that time.
>
> Thanks again for your help!
>
> - Youngser
>
> On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Gary Krupa wrote:
>
> > Youngser,
> >
> > Thank you for your response (albeit somewhat
> > delayed) to my posting.
> >
> > Since posting my distress-call article, I've
> > compiled a new kernel with parallel-port printing
> > enabled. Since then I've had no problem printing.
> > Lp1 has been completely cooperative.
> >
> > I still have no explanation for the phantom
> > printer driver. All I know is that when the
> > problem happened, lp1 didn't appear at bootup, and
> > now it does. Cat /proc/devices displays lp1 now,
> > where it didn't before. I wish I could say that it
> > was due to my imagination that I was able to print
> > prior to first running ghostscript. But I'm afraid
> > that I can't -- I remember being able to print at
> > least once before then.
> >
> >
> > Gary Krupa
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Youngser Park wrote:
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > I have a similar setup (RH 5.2, 2.0.36) with a HP 6MP printer,
> > > and have the same problem. I do remember this printer works
> > > with an older kernel.
> > >
> > > After the printer jobs failed, I checked "dmesg" again, and
> > > it said:
> > >
> > > lp: Driver configured but no interfaces found.
> > >
> > > My printcap entry is as follows;
> > >
> > > ##PRINTTOOL3## LOCAL ljet4 600x600 letter {} LaserJet4
> > > Default {}
> > > lp:\
> > > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
> > > :mx#0:\
> > > :sh:\
> > > :lp=/dev/lp0:\
> > > :if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:
> > >
> > > and "lpc status" shows;
> > >
> > > lp:
> > > queuing is enabled
> > > printing is enabled
> > > no entries
> > > waiting for lp to become ready (offline ?)
> > >
> > > Changing lp0 to lp1 or lp2 didn't help, either.
> > > Does anyone have a solution for us??
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > - Youngser
> > >
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Houben S.H.M.J.)
Subject: Re: Newbie - plz help
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:07:01 GMT
In <7bevuk$23sr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Hi
>I'm a newbie - need some help. Here in south africa not too many have Linux.
>I have SuSE 5.3, and when I try to start X, (after I have configured it and
>it
>have run it quite a few times) it tells me that the mouse is unavailable. I
>have run the xf86config a few times, and it doesn't make a diff. what do I
>do?
Have you correctly set up the type of your mouse?
Does gpm work (that's the mouse support for the console)?
>someone said I should rebuild the kernel.
If you have a bus mouse, you need to compile in kernel support.
See also:
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/Busmouse-HOWTO.html
>how do I do this?
Check it out at:
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.html
Greetings,
Stephan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jordan Husney)
Subject: Announcing Project LIMP
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:43:14 GMT
Dear Zealots:
I would like to announce Project LIMP (the Linux Image Montage
Project). The project's purpose is to distill the community and
ingenuity of the Linux community into one very cool looking poster.
This montage is a collection of images that are arranged to look like
a parent base-image (a la The Truman Show movie poster, among others).
We are using the GIMP to produce the intermediate images, as
well for batch and manual conversion of submissions.
The final product's final image will be available on-line for
free, as well as being sold off of LinuxMall.com .
Please visit the Project, and contribute your GIMP made, and other
Linux related imagery!
http://linux.remotepoint.com
Jordan Husney
LIMP Project Coordinator
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:58:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ITYM `zeal'. Excuse me, normally I don't criticise spelling or grammar
> on Usenet, but I have seen `zealousness' quite often, and I think it's
> simply superfluous.
>
> `Zeal' is such a nice word :>
"Zeal" is neutral. "Zealousness" has negative connotations associated with
"zealot".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam E. Trenholme)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: PPP + Laptop + Desktop
Date: 2 Mar 1999 12:40:58 -0800
>I am running RH5.2 on my desktop and NT4.0 on my laptop. Is there some whay
>that I can access the HD of the laptop from the desktop? I already did that
>using a crossover wire but not using linux(between NT&95). Also, whould that
>cause any conflicts with my PPP connection?
Yes, but you will need to use the SMB filesystem. You use smbmount, and
the NT share will be visible in your Linux system. You can hook up the
laptop to the LAN, and Linux will happily be able to have both a PPP
internet connection and a LAN connection at the same time, as long as the
routes are correctly set up (with the 'route' command). You can even have
Linux give internet access to the NT box, even if you have only a single
ip ('IP masquerading', with 2.0.x kernels you use 'ipfwadm' to set this
up).
Examples:
Mount the share "share" on the NT box with the name "NT_BOX"
at the mount point (directory) /mnt/share
smbmount \\\\NT_BOX\\share /mnt/share
Remove the default gateway, so that we can make the default
internet connection the PPP connection
route del -net 0.0.0.0
Assuming that the other side of the ppp link (the 'remote addr'
that you see for ppp0 when you type in 'ifconfig') has the ip
192.168.99.99, we make the ppp link the default internet
connection (in other words, if it is not on our lan, look for it
on the 'net):
route add default gw 192.168.99.99
More information:
man smbmount
man route
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/index.html
- Sam
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From: Sami Yousif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: reading ext2 partition from within win95
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:15:13 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there a way to read an ext partition when booted into win95?
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From: Gergo Barany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:40:10 +0100
> Correct me if I am wrong, but to obtain an actual copyright on
> something, you have to register it with some authority? Probably,
> some government?
Nope. You register trademarks, but not copyrights. But if you really
have to go to court, it's good to have a datestamp on it (by printing
the source and mailing it to yourself).
> I have been told that you can copyright something simply by saying
> copyright all over it,
Yes, that's what a copyright is.
Gergo
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 01 Mar 1999 23:33:33 -0800
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>>>>> "mike" == <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
mike> On 28 Feb 1999 22:57:38 -0800, Michael Powe
mike> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You play games because you have nothing better to do. That's
>> fine -- but spending hundreds of dollars on toy games and
>> defining your use of computers around them is lame. I dare say
>> I've had every bit as much fun playing in a chess tournament
>> ... and I actually used my -- brain! (Sorry, I know the notion
>> of thinking scares you.)
mike> And you talk about arrogance?
And your point is ... ?
mp
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"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 02 Mar 1999 01:48:48 -0800
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>>>>> "Mike" == <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mike> The reason I compare UNIX CLI vs. Windows GUI is because of
Mike> a few reasons. 1) the CLI has all of the socalled
Mike> "benefits" of the 32-bit GUI, and 2) In UNIX, the CLI is
Mike> (typically) the primary interface, whereas in Windows, the
Mike> GUI is (typically) the primary interface.
I think maybe you compared them because you didn't actually think out
your arguments in advance. Like a lot of people, you just think linux
== CLI. In fact, "linux" is just the kernel. GNU/linux would be the
appropriate terminology. You're comparing the GNU tools to the
Windows GUI. It doesn't wash.
Mike> However, we're discussing the average user. The average
Mike> user has to install their own stuff, set it up by
Mike> themselves, etc. In Windows, you don't have to touch a file
Mike> by hand-- all of the stuff in the GUI does it for you. In
Mike> UNIX, you have to do the same things-- however, you have to
Mike> do it yourself, by hand. Therefore, you have to learn more
Mike> to do something in UNIX than you had to in Windows.
The "average user," if there is such a thing, probably does little or
no configuration. That's because the average user is using the OS at
work, where a net/sys admin handles configuration.
It's not much better at home, where naive users struggle to master
what we think are the simplest things. Nobody is there to teach them
or point out how to do things like right-click on the desktop to get
to Display Properties. I'm constantly amazed at how many of them
don't even grasp the concept of multitasking -- even some fairly
experienced users will insist on closing one application before
opening the next.
Windows is a complicated piece of gear. It's intimidating to most
non-geeks. The "average user" at home learns one or two things -- how
to start AOL, Quicken and Word -- and sticks to those things. When
something goes wrong, he/she picks up the phone and calls tech
support. He/She is not in there mucking around
installing/uninstalling programs right and left.
mp
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