Linux-Misc Digest #317, Volume #25 Wed, 2 Aug 00 15:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux RIP ?? (Grant Taylor)
Re: Allowing IP Range in hosts.allow ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (John Hasler)
Re: fetchmail: domain name must exist?! (sideband)
Redhat 6.0 & Win98 ("bruce mcdougald")
Lucent on Compaq Presario 12xx (Fred Nastos)
Performance Class Aug 21-25 (Perfskool)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Jay Maynard)
Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Should we get Mandrake or SuSe? (Mitchell Timin)
Re: MP3's skip : How I solved it ("Kay Keys")
Re: Advice on cutting memory usage (Rasputin)
Re: at&t lex (M Sweger)
Re: the psychology of linux and the hacker ethos ("Jeff Susanj")
Re: the psychology of linux and the hacker ethos (Robert Clayton)
Re: Redhat 6.0 & Win98 (Hil)
Best Quality Encoder for Linux. (Jean-Sebastien Morisset)
Re: Best Quality Encoder for Linux. (Dances With Crows)
Re: Should we get Mandrake or SuSe? (Dances With Crows)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Johan Kullstam)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: Upgrading the Kernel Questions.. (Yan Shtarker)
Re: MP3's skip : How I solved it (Stewart Honsberger)
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From: Grant Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux RIP ??
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:14:26 GMT
"Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No, I'm not saying that Linux is dead, just asking for a RIP (Raster
> Image Processor). Anyone have any ideas ?
Ghostscript.
--
Grant Taylor - gtaylor@picante<dot>com - http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/
Linux Printing HOWTO and Website: http://www.linuxprinting.org/
I offer consulting in most things Unix/Linux/*BSD/Perl/C/C++
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Allowing IP Range in hosts.allow
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:12:10 GMT
In article <8m96q4$n8p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm setting up an ldap server with tcp wrapper support, and I want to
> enable it only for those users within my given IP range, and deny it
> for all others. What is the proper terminology for
> the /etc/hosts.allow file. The machine I have it on does not have
> access to do DNS lookups, so it needs to be in IP address format and
> not expressed as a domain.
>
> right now I have slapd: ALL : ALLOW, but I don't want that.
>
> I'd appreciate any insights.
> Thanks,
> Brian Seppanen
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> AREA 54 the secret government disco labs in Provo Utah
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
> you frist edit your /etc/hosts.deny file.
slapd:ALL
and edit hosts.allow.
slapd:x.x.x.x-y where x is ip and -y is your ip range that you allow.
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Before you buy.
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:20:01 GMT
Christopher Browne writes:
> ...as well as under a license whereby Be Software pays me $500,000, and
> then is allowed to include a GnomoVision DVD in their boxed sets of BeOS.
On the other hand, had Christopher released GnomoVision under the BSD
license, Be would already be allowed to include GnomoVision in their boxed
sets of BeOS under a proprietary license without paying him a penny or
revealing the source to their enhancements to him or anyone else.
The fact that the GPL does not permit this seems to be what enrages the BSD
trolls: they are evidently offended that we are not willing to make them a
gift of unlimited rights to our code.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: sideband <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fetchmail: domain name must exist?!
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:25:45 -0400
'cause the server doesn't know where to look for roughneck.....
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You don't have DNS set up properly, or your hostname/domainname name is set
up wrong, or sendmail is set up improperly, or some combination of those...
Check DNS, hostname, domainname and sendmail.cf (My domain name
entries.....)
Hope this helps.
-SSB
Peter Bismuti wrote:
> I've got sendmail/fetchmail working, I can pull off my mail from the pop
> server and read it in elm, but I can't reply or send email out, when I
> try I get this message, can anyone tell me how to fix this? Thanks!
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to nu.cs.fsu.edu.:
> >>> MAIL From:<peterb@roughneck> SIZE=1182
> <<< 501 <peterb@roughneck>... Sender domain must exist
> 501 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Data format error
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From: "bruce mcdougald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Redhat 6.0 & Win98
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:32:54 -0500
Can you run Windows 98 under Linux? If so, how?
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From: Fred Nastos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Lucent on Compaq Presario 12xx
Date: 2 Aug 2000 17:18:58 GMT
Has anyone got the lucent modem on a Compaq Presario 12xx (I don't
remember what the exact series was) working? I heard a rumor that
some of these modems worked with the linmodem driver.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perfskool)
Date: 02 Aug 2000 17:44:53 GMT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 2 Aug 2000 17:46:37 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:20:01 GMT, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The fact that the GPL does not permit this seems to be what enrages the BSD
>trolls: they are evidently offended that we are not willing to make them a
>gift of unlimited rights to our code.
1) I am not a troll. I am posting my honest beliefs, just as you are.
2) I am not offended that you are unwilling to grant unlimited rights in
your code. I am offended that you insist on redefining "free" to your own
ends so that you may incorrectly apply it to your limited grant of rights.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:41:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
.. wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > ... and it's bad news! They split the distribution in two versions:
> > personal (for private, desktop users) and professional (server
> > related). They are also more expensive, don't have any major release
> > (neither kernel 2.4, KDE 2.0, etc.) because they're too soon.
There's
> > is no reason to upgrade to 7.0. Wait til kernel 2.4 is released ...
> >
>
> From what I've read all over the net today. There're enough
improvement
> to justify the upgrade to SuSE 7.0.
There might be enough improvement (just) to justify 7.0 but not to
justify the
huge price increase. The professional edition will be bascically the
same as the current 6.4 in terms of content i.e 1500+ applications on 6
CDs but from what I can gather is going to cost more than twice the
price thats very bad news.
>
> Especially for Windozlised newbies... With SuSE 7.0. Installation will
> be fully automated, other than keying in the info for networking , or
> info for ppp dial-up.
>
> I'm not sure about this count, I cannot read German well. But seems
like
> SuSE 7.0 even will reconise Baillie (?Spelling?) code, and even a
blind
> person can install it.
>
> And I never care for any games, or the latest 3D-Graphic cards. And I
> don't use any IDE anymore. All wide SCSI LVD, FFS, LVM, SMP ,a decent
> sound card. I don't even use IPCHAINS anymore. So, 2.4 kernel means
> nothing to me. And I don't even think I'll upgrade for 2.4 kernel at
> all. Everything I needed is already supported by default with SuSE's
> 2.2.14.
>
> Never minded about the 2.4 kernel de jour.
>
> But I hope SuSE has taken out all the stupid games from the
Professional
> version.
>
> The important stuff are the apps.
>
> And if you look carefully into SuSE 6.4. You'll find many of the
> excellent stuff from the *BSD are included. That's a really good
sign.
>
> Combining the best of both opensource OS/s. (I've been hacking *BSD
> stuff to run under SuSE, and SuSE's stuff to run under Free/Open/BSD
> here for awhile.)
>
> SuSE's end users will end up big winners, with a very stable, secure,
> and painless to install and update platform. ;-)
>
> -Alex / blowfish.
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > .. wrote:
> > > -------------------SuSE Linux 7.0
released----------------------------
> > > "...The optimised support for fully automated installation and
SuSE's
> > > new ALICE tool
> > > (Automatic Linux Installation and Configuration Environment),
allow
> > > efficient configuration management for computer networks..."
> > >
> > > http://linuxpr.com/releases/2272.html
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > > - If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on
his
> > > hands,
> > > lives a very boring and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to
waste
> > his
> > > time.
> > > Simplicity rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee).
> > >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> --
> - If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
> hands,
> lives a very boring and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste
his
> time.
> Simplicity rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee).
>
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Before you buy.
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From: Mitchell Timin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Should we get Mandrake or SuSe?
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:51:31 GMT
We are about to get some Linux for a Pentium PC, and have narrowed it down to
these two. We've heard that Mandrake has the easiest install, and that's
important. Does SuSe have any important advantage over Mandrake? Our
ultimate goal is developing a server-side application.
Thanks for your opinions,
m
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From: "Kay Keys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: MP3's skip : How I solved it
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:00:05 -0500
Yeah... Windowmaker. I keep my desktop bare with a shell (no borders or
titlebars) sunken to the bottom and dock apps to the side... A friend
remarked "It looks like you're running windows ON TOP of DOS." :-) That's
the great thing. You can make linux anything you WANT it to be. It's just
a matter of how much effort you want to put into it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rasputin)
Subject: Re: Advice on cutting memory usage
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:54:57 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <Jean-David Beyer-valinux> wrote:
>"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
>
>BTW: does anyone know what the difference between "buff" and "cached" is? I
>have been unable to find what gets cached in "cached" as contrasted with what
>gets buffered in "buff".
I *think* , (but I'd be happier if someone could confirm this)
buffered = disk buffers (i.e what you flush when you sync() )
cached = recently used apps that don't need to be flushed out
of memory/swapped out yet.
--
Rasputin.
Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M Sweger)
Subject: Re: at&t lex
Date: 2 Aug 2000 17:56:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I remember seeing about 2-3 months ago that at&t lex is free now. Check Kernighan and
Ritchies Web site.
Thomas Dickey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > Yes, I have tried the "-l" option, it does not make it compatable enough
: > though. And yes, Linux does accept the "lex" command, but it is only a
: > link to "flex".
: what sort of compatibility problems?
: (the only ones I've noticed have been bugs in lex - or old versions of flex)
: --
: Thomas E. Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jeff Susanj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the psychology of linux and the hacker ethos
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:43:10 GMT
I have always found learning a new language or system to be difficult unless
I had a problem to focus on. Is there some problem you want to solve or
some task you want to perform? In attempting to perform that task on Linux
you will learn. In attempting to solve the problem in C++ you will learn.
Learning a language for its own sake is for a small group of people for whom
computer languages themselves are just neat.
Jeff S.
shawn wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Greetings to one and all,
> Now, I dont really know how to approach this subject, but... well Im
>having trouble with my whole learning
>process. I possess no great love of an operating system that crashes
>frequently, which is the main driving force for my learning linux as
>opposed to using Windows. Other than that though I have very little
>motivation. This problem also plagues my quest to learn a programming
>language, ANY programming language... Ive tried to learn c, c++, perl,
>python, even HTML causes me to stumble and turn into a vegetable...
>these things seem to me like lack of motivation, or laziness, or perhaps
>im am just not at the right age to start cramming all of these things
>into my cranium. I know this is a bit off-topic, and also that its not
>really a question one can answer in concrete terms, but im making this
>call out to all listening; my path to linux is obscured, show me the
>light!
>
>=)
>
>shawn
>
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From: Robert Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the psychology of linux and the hacker ethos
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:55:26 -0400
The two major questions are:
1) What do you demand from your OS?
2) What motivates you?
If you can't get motivated to do something, perhaps you shouldn't be doing
it. Anything is possible on Linux. Once you figure out what it is you
want to do, use that as motivation to learn how to do it on Linux. Oh and
HTML makes everyone feel that way.
shawn wrote:
> Greetings to one and all,
> Now, I dont really know how to approach this subject, but... well Im
> having trouble with my whole learning
> process. I possess no great love of an operating system that crashes
> frequently, which is the main driving force for my learning linux as
> opposed to using Windows. Other than that though I have very little
> motivation. This problem also plagues my quest to learn a programming
> language, ANY programming language... Ive tried to learn c, c++, perl,
> python, even HTML causes me to stumble and turn into a vegetable...
> these things seem to me like lack of motivation, or laziness, or perhaps
> im am just not at the right age to start cramming all of these things
> into my cranium. I know this is a bit off-topic, and also that its not
> really a question one can answer in concrete terms, but im making this
> call out to all listening; my path to linux is obscured, show me the
> light!
>
> =)
>
> shawn
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Systems Engineer
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http://www.actix-group.com
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From: Hil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 & Win98
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:09:32 GMT
In article <39885a50$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"bruce mcdougald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can you run Windows 98 under Linux? If so, how?
Yes. There is a product called VMWare
(http://www.vmware.com) which allows you to run
any other OS under linux. Thre is also a version
for Windows NT, so that you could run Linux under
WinNT.
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From: Jean-Sebastien Morisset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Best Quality Encoder for Linux.
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:24:49 GMT
I've been using my Windows box to encode MP3s using Music Match
(256/320kps with error correction and highest qual. setting). I'd like
to start encoding on my Linux box instead (which also has an optical
input from my stereo) and wondered what the best applications were. I'm
especially concerned for the MP3 compression. Are there applications
which are known to maintain a heigher fidelity than others?
Thanks,
js.
--
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<http://www.jsmoriss.dyndns.org/>;
UNIX, the Internet, Homebrewing, Cigars, PCS, and other Fun Stuff...
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Best Quality Encoder for Linux.
Date: 2 Aug 2000 18:37:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:24:49 GMT, Jean-Sebastien Morisset wrote:
>I've been using my Windows box to encode MP3s using Music Match
>(256/320kps with error correction and highest qual. setting). I'd like
>to start encoding on my Linux box instead (which also has an optical
>input from my stereo) and wondered what the best applications were. I'm
>especially concerned for the MP3 compression. Are there applications
>which are known to maintain a heigher fidelity than others?
bladeenc works nicely at higher bitrates. I've heard people complain
that it's too slow/drops things at normal bitrates (128Kbits). LAME and
gogo are also popular, but it may be that they sacrifice quality for
speed. I encoded the same song with all of those encoders at 128 and
256, and I could not tell any of the 6 finished mp3s apart.
cdparanoia for Linux is one of the best CD-ripping applications out
there; used it to make a copy of a scratched-up "Paranoid" CD and the
copy sounded better than the original.
ecasound is nice for recording from a mike or a line-in.
Most of the programs mentioned are command-line-only, but
http://freshmeat.net/ has a big selection of graphical frontends,
including Grip.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Tyranny is always better organized
http://www.brainbench.com / than freedom.
=============================/ ==Charles Peguy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Should we get Mandrake or SuSe?
Date: 2 Aug 2000 18:44:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:51:31 GMT, Mitchell Timin wrote:
>We are about to get some Linux for a Pentium PC, and have narrowed it down to
>these two. We've heard that Mandrake has the easiest install, and that's
>important. Does SuSe have any important advantage over Mandrake? Our
>ultimate goal is developing a server-side application.
The main advantage SuSE has is that you get 6 CDs worth of applications,
so there's no need to run off to the Net when you realize you need
$THING. The install may be a little easier with Mandrake, but both of
those distros are easier to install than WinNT. Both distros include
all the development tools you would need for creating things with Java,
PHP, MySQL, the Apache webserver, and the like.
Since SuSE has announced their 7.0 release, you can probably find their
6.4 release on sale if price matters.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Tyranny is always better organized
http://www.brainbench.com / than freedom.
=============================/ ==Charles Peguy
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 02 Aug 2000 14:22:08 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard) writes:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:20:01 GMT, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The fact that the GPL does not permit this seems to be what enrages the BSD
> >trolls: they are evidently offended that we are not willing to make them a
> >gift of unlimited rights to our code.
>
> 1) I am not a troll. I am posting my honest beliefs, just as you are.
>
> 2) I am not offended that you are unwilling to grant unlimited rights in
> your code. I am offended that you insist on redefining "free" to your own
> ends so that you may incorrectly apply it to your limited grant of
> rights.
this always happens. many people say that the united states of
america is a free country yet there are many things which are
illegal. you can't just go around killing people wantonly. you
cannot use many drugs. the first infringes upon other people's
freedom. the second, however, does not yet it is still forbidden.
free doesn't necessarily mean anarchy.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
sysengr
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:04:31 -0700
brian moore wrote:
>
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:25:49 -0700,
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > John Hasler wrote:
> > >
> > > blowfish writes:
> > > > Red Hat, Debian et al are ALL selling the GNU-GPL stuff for money.
> > >
> > > Wrong. Debian sells nothing.
> > >
> >
> >
>http://linuxmall.com/shop/01496?cat=ROOT&sort=2&vid=&search=debian&SID=90de0b724faa8352f505f5269a3dc28b&Start=
> >
> > It shows a $17.95 price tag there. ;-)
>
> And Linuxmall is selling that. Not Debian.
>
> (Hint: note the 'Manufacturer' field.)
>
> > > > I know exactly what free software are. But my reason of using "free
> > > > software" is not because they're free I always BUY the "official CDs/DVD
> > > > releases,
> > >
> > > Then you don't know what free software is. It's free as in free speech,
> > > not as in free beer.
> >
> > No, I *NEVER* care about beer. Free or not free. :-)
> >
> > But Free Speech is what I like, and treasure.
> >
> > But I also want to support those who contribute to the good stuff. ;-)
>
> Then contribute. Buy a $2 CD from cheapbytes (at that price, their
> margin is minimal, the cd's are loss leaders to get you to buy books and
> such) and donate what you think is fair to Software in the Public
> Interest or XFree86 or whoever.
>
I do, and I've been doing it. Even I'd always download it first, then,
buy the cd/dvd; usually the source will be ready for download even
before the iso image is ready. I just compile from source, because I'm
impatient; and I have fat bandwidth for years already.
I always buy the official CD, T-shirts from OpenBSD, FreeBSD,
SuSE-Linux-the stuff that I depends on.
The only *nix book I've bought are the Camel, the Llama, TCP-IP, and
Unix in a Nut Shell.
I never read more than 5 pages of the manual that comes with the
official cd/dvd releases packages.
If I cannot figure it out myself. Then, the system is too complicate for
me to use. I'll just dump it and look for something else. :-)
> --
> Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
> Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
> Netscum, Bane of Elves.
--
- Alex / blowfish.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
KISS rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee). Small. Simple and fast.
:-)
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song)Fingerprint -v.i007bond: Doe1(-a deer a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
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From: Yan Shtarker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upgrading the Kernel Questions..
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:48:20 -0400
What you can do is go to the www.linux.org website, and the have a FULL
HOWTO on upgrading and compiling the kernel. There are a few tricks that u
might need to know if you have never done it before.
See ya,
Yan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: MP3's skip : How I solved it
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:07:47 GMT
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:00:05 -0500, Kay Keys wrote:
>Yeah... Windowmaker. I keep my desktop bare with a shell (no borders or
>titlebars) sunken to the bottom and dock apps to the side... A friend
>remarked "It looks like you're running windows ON TOP of DOS." :-) That's
>the great thing. You can make linux anything you WANT it to be. It's just
>a matter of how much effort you want to put into it.
I've seen screenshots of that sort of thing. I saw somebody doing it
with an e-term window, I believe, so it was "pseudo-transparent" so
you could see his background.
I've seen all sorts of different GUI configurations under Linux. Most
of the ones I see involve WindowMaker because it's the one I run, thus
it's the one I look for themes for (http://wm.themes.org, primarily).
I've seen quite a few interesting configurations involving just WM, WM
combined with Gnome, etc..
For some shots of my desktop in its various forms;
http://bradlaue.hcctrc.com/screengallery/BlackDeath/catalog_file_1.htm
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://blackdeath.tinys.cx
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE 6.4, Linux 2.4.0-test5
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