Linux-Misc Digest #318, Volume #25 Wed, 2 Aug 00 16:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: Goosing the Mouse (DeAnn Iwan)
Re: Can't start GNOME as root ("Lurch")
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: Upgrading the Kernel Questions.. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: at&t lex (ed)
Re: non-English letters in xterm ("J. Escalante")
Re: Advice on cutting memory usage
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:11:03 -0700
John Hasler wrote:
>
> I wrote:
> > Wrong. Debian sells nothing.
>
> blowfish writes:
> >
>http://linuxmall.com/shop/01496?cat=ROOT&sort=2&vid=&search=debian&SID=90de0b724faa8352f505f5269a3dc28b&Start=
> > It shows a $17.95 price tag there. ;-)
>
> Linux Mall sells Debian CD's. Cheap Bytes sells Debian CD's. Offer me
> some money and I will sell you Debian CD's. Debian is free software:
> anyone can sell it. Debian, however, sells nothing.
>
> > No, I *NEVER* care about beer. Free or not free. :-)
>
> Ioo bad. You're missing out.
>
Nope. Never like beer. But I do enjoy a glass of California wine every
now and then, with a few slices of blue cheese, when I listen to my jazz
collection. :-)
> > But Free Speech is what I like, and treasure. But I also want to support
> > those who contribute to the good stuff. ;-)
>
> Then contact them and ask them what they need.
Yes, In fact, I'm going to. I'm think about setting up a FTP server to
mirror some of the stuff. I'm putting together a box for that right now.
:-)
> --
> John Hasler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, Wisconsin
--
- Alex / blowfish.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
KISS rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee). Small. Simple and fast.
:-)
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song)Fingerprint -v.i007bond: Doe1(-a deer a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:13:18 -0700
John Hasler wrote:
>
> blowfish writes:
> > Sure. *BSD are making money too. But they do allow the developers to keep
> > their codes proprietary; just a tiny bit more option for the
> > contributors- in my fscking opinion.
>
> I retain the right to license my code to any one I choose under any terms I
> choose whether I release it under the GPL or the BSD license or any other
> free software license. The terms of the license do not bind the author.
>
> > I'll re-read the GNU-GPL again.
>
> First go study up a bit on copyright.
I will. I did have many of my work copyrighted (not computer related,
but in arts.)
> --
> John Hasler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, Wisconsin
--
- Alex / blowfish.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
KISS rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee). Small. Simple and fast.
:-)
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song)Fingerprint -v.i007bond: Doe1(-a deer a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
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From: DeAnn Iwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Goosing the Mouse
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:11:30 -0400
> > I like the optical logitech trackball. The have optical mice,
> > too. One of the problems with most (cheap) mice is that they depend on
> > pressure of the rubber ball against a roller, and so have a lot of
> > "slop" the mouse drivers have to ignor. Especially if you are moving
> > the mouse in the direction "away" from the roller. Optical
> > mice/trackballs do not have this slop.
>
> Trackballs are out -- they're even worse than mice in terms of
> having to take your hand off of the thing several times for large
> movements, and EVERY motion, large or small, requires moving the
> hand back and forth between the ball and the buttons. Eeeeeyew!
>
I never have to take my hand off the trackball except to go to the
keyboard. The one I have is a large ball embedded in a hand rest. You
just rest your hand on the device, move the ball with your
fingers/palm/thumb, and click the buttons with thumb or fingers (left or
right button). You can even set it up with a third button to act as a
wheel mouse. The control takes a bit of getting used to, but the action
is very precise once your coordination adapts. I got it hoping to save
on wrist movement / irritation....and it works very well for that. I
forget the name/version of the device. But it is the logitec with the
huge ball (not the little one). This lets you use many parts of your
hand/fingers/thumb to rotate the ball. It seems quite ergonomic to me.
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From: "Lurch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't start GNOME as root
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:10:47 +0200
hello,
do you have a file called .XClients in your homedirectory as root? if so,
delete it.
hope this helped...
Lurch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8m9dmj$sss$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello
>
> I can't start GNOME when loged in as root. startx executes KDE.
> I tryed to change to GNOME with Desktop Switching Tool, but when startx
> is executed KDE start up??
>
> Only got the problem when loged in as root.
>
> Jimmi
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:28:20 -0700
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> >Christopher Browne wrote:
> >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John Hasler would say:
> >> >How could Debian "exploit" the GPL (or anything else)? Do you understand
> >> >what Debian is?
> >>
> >> Indeed. I'd find it interesting just what systems are supposedly not
> >> "exploiting" anything. It's pretty common for comments like this to come
> >> from "BSD trolls;" the fact that BSDI bought out Walnut Creek, and
> >> IBM bought WhistleJet demonstrate that the "BSD world" is not immune
> >> to commercial attempts to "exploit" BSD code either.
> >
> >I just checked Linuxmall.com. Debian shows up in a box, with a $17.95
> >price tag right next to it.
>
> The question is, who is it that's getting the $17.95.
>
> It is _not_ The Debian Project.
>
> >Sure. *BSD are making money too. But they do allow the developers to
> >keep their codes proprietary; just a tiny bit more option for the
> >contributors- in my fscking opinion. :-)
>
> Since the author retains rights to license his or her own code under
> whatever arrangements they wish, I'm not sure what additional option
> they _actually_ get.
>
> >> >> ...where you no longer has any rights to.
> >> >
> >> >Wrong. I still own the copyrights on my stuff and only I can distribute
> >> >the software under any license other than the GPL.
> >>
> >> ... Which is the _fascinating_ thing about the GPL, and also the
> >> most-misunderstood...
> >>
> >Maybe I've misinterputed the GNU-GPL a little, but life is a non-stop
> >learning process. Right!?
> >
> >I'll re-read the GNU-GPL again. Maybe I'll agree with you later, or
> >maybe not. It all depends on how you interpute the language written in
> >the lisence. Common fools like me read differently than bean-counters,
> >or lawyers... Or GNU-GPL gurus...
>
> Read the GPL looking for clauses that indicate that they are binding
> on the author.
>
> You won't find any, because if you are the _author_, the GPL _doesn't
> bind you._
>
> That is an _essential_ fact that keeps getting missed.
>
Geez! Did I opened up a can of worms!? :P
> For something like the Linux kernel, that has hundreds if not thousands
> of authors, the GPL winds up being pretty binding overall, as people
> give Linus Torvalds code that _they_ have released under the GPL, thus
> binding him to release it under the GPL.
>
Is that why we keep getting the "Kernel de jour?" :-0
> In contrast, if I am the sole author of GnomoVision, the Ever Cool DVD
> Player that runs on Linux, I can simultaneously release it licensed under
> the GPL, and, based on my rights as author, simultaneously release it
> under the Studly License, where in order to use it, you have to send me
> $5000 and a greeting card that says that I'm A Stud, as well as under
> a license whereby Be Software pays me $500,000, and then is allowed to
> include a GnomoVision DVD in their boxed sets of BeOS.
>
I'm no stub or even macho. I'm a whimpy NOBODY. But self-confident and
self-secure by default. :-)
I give up playing music and video on pc already. A stand alone hardware
home player is mutto better
than any pc based player. And it's actually not costing any much more
either. A decent DVD stand alone home player can be had for about
$300-$400US. And can play music CD, CDV, have AC-3, DTS, etc. Not to
mention without the annoying fans noises, HDDs spinning noises etc,
coming out from the pc.
And NO computer based sound reproduction set up can even come remotely
close to the sound quality of my home sound system. (Yes, I'm one of
those *real* audiophile, high-end audio snob.) ;-)
I NEVER pay more than US$100. for a video card, since I NEVER care about
games.
> Some of those options are somewhat silly, but legally viable.
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
> Culus thinks we should go to trade shows and see how many people we
> can kill by throwing debian cds at them
--
- Alex / blowfish.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
KISS rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee). Small. Simple and fast.
:-)
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song)Fingerprint -v.i007bond: Doe1(-a deer a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Upgrading the Kernel Questions..
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:17:48 GMT
Thanks for everyone's help! Do any of you think that I'd need to
substitute something or change something around the /boot part since I
use a loopback distro?
Thanks,
Gary
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:33:02 -0700
John Hasler wrote:
>
> Christopher Browne writes:
> > ...as well as under a license whereby Be Software pays me $500,000, and
> > then is allowed to include a GnomoVision DVD in their boxed sets of BeOS.
>
> On the other hand, had Christopher released GnomoVision under the BSD
> license, Be would already be allowed to include GnomoVision in their boxed
> sets of BeOS under a proprietary license without paying him a penny or
> revealing the source to their enhancements to him or anyone else.
>
> The fact that the GPL does not permit this seems to be what enrages the BSD
> trolls: they are evidently offended that we are not willing to make them a
> gift of unlimited rights to our code.
> --
> John Hasler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, Wisconsin
I think the DVD under Linux issue will soon be a moot point.
I've read from The Register from the U.K. that SiS will have
native/hardware DVD support for Linux in its up-coming video chip set.
--
- Alex / blowfish.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
KISS rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee). Small. Simple and fast.
:-)
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song)Fingerprint -v.i007bond: Doe1(-a deer a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
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From: ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: at&t lex
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:30:06 GMT
I am searching, to no avail. If you have any other recollections, or ideas
on where to find it, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanx much!
Ed
M Sweger wrote:
>
>
> I remember seeing about 2-3 months ago that at&t lex is free now. Check
Kernighan and Ritchies Web site.
>
>
> Thomas Dickey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : > Yes, I have tried the "-l" option, it does not make it compatable
enough
> : > though. And yes, Linux does accept the "lex" command, but it is only
a
> : > link to "flex".
>
> : what sort of compatibility problems?
>
> : (the only ones I've noticed have been bugs in lex - or old versions of
flex)
>
> : --
> : Thomas E. Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> : http://dickey.his.com
> : ftp://dickey.his.com
>
> --
> Mike,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: "J. Escalante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: non-English letters in xterm
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:41:05 GMT
English is a Gothic dialect mixed with Latin [French, Italia, Spanish,
etc.]. Contrary to pure languages like German, Latin and or Greek which
denote that a language is based on rules and a few exeptions to it, English
is based on exceptions with some rules to it. Thus, I would go as far as
saying that Englis is not a language but well develop dialect.
"sideband" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Um...
>
> I hate to mention it...
>
> But English is derived from Latin as well...
>
> Thought I'd point that out.
>
> -SSB
>
> Stefano Ghirlanda wrote:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nicolas LS) writes:
> >
> > > Le 24 Jul 2000 16:53:52 +0200, Stefano Ghirlanda a ecrit :
> > > >> Peut etre faut-il refaire la map du clavier ?
> > > >Non credo, visto che molte applicazioni funzionano, tipo lyx ed emacs
> > >
> > > Sorry for the french ... but you understood ...
> >
> > Speakers of latin-derived languages should learn to understand other
> > latin-derived languages at school! It's stupid that french, spanish
> > and italian people talk to each other in English!
> >
> > Perhaps someone sitting in the European parliament reads these
> > newsgroups?
> >
> > Stefano
>
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advice on cutting memory usage
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:30:03 GMT
Rasputin
wrote:>---------------------------------------------------------------------->Andrew
Perrin - Solaris-Linux-NT-Samba-Perl-Access-Postgres Consulting> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://demog.berkeley.edu/~aperrin>---------------------------------------------------------------------->
>> >--> >Posted via CNET Help.com> >http://www.help.com/>> Ever hear of carriage
returns? :)Sorry for this one long line. I was submitting this via CNET formsand as I
was typing, I was under the impression that "HTML" will takecare of this. (Looks like
not !!!!)> Good advice, from what I could make out, though.Thanks,As I said this is
very very frequently asked question. Basically the kerneltakes all RAM and tries to
use it best it knows. If nothing else then,disk cache :-)))The only thing would help
(beside stopping unneeded deamons and processes)is to recompile !!! (looks others
share my opinion ...)Regards,Gabor>> -->> Rasputin.> Jack of All Trades - Master of
Nuns.
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