Linux-Misc Digest #371, Volume #25 Mon, 7 Aug 00 14:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: UDMA IDE Drive stops network transfers (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: OT: PNP OS? (Re: Modem doesn't work (and it's not a WinModem)) ("Stuart D.
Gathman")
Re: Almost Lost New Hard Drive After Linux Install (Stewart Honsberger)
psychology of linux (shawn)
Re: /usr/sbin/nscd (brian moore)
Re: kde 2.0 beta 3 (sfcybear)
Re: Recording on the sound card on console ? (Dave Phillips)
**Something For Sale You Want** (N/A)
Re: psychology of linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Modem Lights App for Windoze? ("Gavin")
Linux 6.2 Login problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: reinstalling LILO (Simon Lemieux)
Re: ADSL with Suse 6.2 (blowfish)
Re: Problems with Belkin OmniView Switch box ? (blowfish)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: UDMA IDE Drive stops network transfers
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:12:23 GMT
On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:31:28 -0700, Duane wrote:
>> In `make menuconfig' there is a `Use DMA by default when available'
>> option under `block devices'. I've got it turned on. Is there
>> something else I have to do, or are IDE drives just fundamentally
>> screwed up this way. I hate the idea of disk access bringing other io
>> and perhaps even the CPU to a halt. I can't afford to install the
>> equivalent amount of SCSI disk.
>
>To see how (or whether) DMA is operating, have you tried hdparm?
>http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/hdtweak.html
I just tried it on my drives, both UDMA 33, and got the following results;
blackdeath:~ # hdparm -tT /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 2.69 seconds = 47.58 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 4.73 seconds = 13.53 MB/sec
blackdeath:~ # hdparm -tT /dev/hdb
/dev/hdb:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 2.55 seconds = 50.20 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 7.78 seconds = 8.23 MB/sec
blackdeath:~ # hdparm -d /dev/hdb
using_dma was enabled for both drives but not 32 bit I/O support. I enabled
it on both drives and didn't really get any speed increase, except the cache
reads on hdb have improved by about 5MB/sec.
Are these speeds typical of UDMA33 equipment (as measured by hdparm)?
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://tinys.cx/blackdeath
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Humming along under SuSE 6.4, Linux 2.4.0-test5
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From: "Stuart D. Gathman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: PNP OS? (Re: Modem doesn't work (and it's not a WinModem))
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:01:33 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In alt.linux M. Buchenrieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Linux isn't a PNP OS. You'll have to use the isapnptools for this
> : modem card to have it recognized in Linux. BTW, you'll have to disable
> : your COM2 port in the system's CMOS if you want the modem to be on
> : /dev/ttyS1 , otherwise you'll get a HW conflict.
>
> Interesting...
>
> So if isapnp is developed for linux, and even incorporated into the kernel,
> and if linux works with PCI -- when is linux considered a PNP OS? Is it
> there now, or does the isapnp part have to be a little more automatic? (AFAIK
> you still have to generate and edit an isapnp.conf file, a task which is
> not "plugging" and definitely not "playing")
PCI and VLB plug and play features works fine with Linux - and even with
Win9x. ISA PnP has never, in our experience, been plug and play for any
OS. Every single ISA PnP card (dozens since the "standard" was
introduced) we have installed produced an all day configuration
nightmare under Win95. "Plug and pray" is truly a better name.
A much more useful standard would have been a universal protocol for
setting virtual jumpers on jumperless cards - including virtual labels
in ROM. This would avoid tracking special config diskettes for each
kind of jumperless ISA. It would have made manually configuring
jumperless cards pleasant - and formed a solid basis for developing a
PnP protocol that actually worked. (Walk before you run.)
ISA cards work best with nice jumpers - preferably real hardware jumpers
with nice screened labels by the jumpers (since the manual will probably
get lost). It's a plus if it uses DIP switches visible from the back of
the PC without removing the card. I hate trying to find the config
diskette for a jumperless card. If you want PnP, use a real PnP bus:
MCA, PCI, VLB, S390 channel :-)
The only thing worse than ISA PnP are jumperless ISA cards with a Win9x
only config program. We got sold one of those on a machine certified as
"OS/2 ready". Go figure . . . (Most jumperless ISA cards use a DOS
config program - tolerable if you can keep track of the diskette. I
recommend keeping a compressed diskette image on disk for such cards.)
--
Stuart D. Gathman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703
591-6154
"Microsoft is the QWERTY of Operating Systems" - SDG
"Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - background song
for
a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?"
commercial.
(HINT: The song is "Dies Irae" from the Mozart Requiem.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: Almost Lost New Hard Drive After Linux Install
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:17:09 GMT
On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:59:29 GMT, Bob Hauck wrote:
>If your theory of "cyclic partitions" were correct in general for large
>disks, then we would be hearing the screams of pain from all quarters.
>Instead, we hear only from people with old BIOS.
He appears at first glance to be a troll. If he is speaking from some
sort of experience, my guess is he's using a large HDD with an old BIOS
and blamed Linux's fdisk for his flawed partition table.
I've partitioned a 20G HDD under RedHat, creating a 6G pri. FAT32 with the
rest extended; 6G FAT32 log., 6G ext2 log, 1G ext2 log, with the remainder
as swap space, I believe. Linux installed like a champ, as did Windoze'98SE.
Windoze very obediently looked at only the two FAT32 partitions (C: and D:)
and used the 6G secondary drive as its E: drive, and ignored the ext2
partitions as it should. It's currently dual-booting with DocsBoot
(http://www.docsware.com) with no problems whatsoever.
There is no evidence, either personal or professional that could point to
a problem with Linux's fdisk software.
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://tinys.cx/blackdeath
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Humming along under SuSE 6.4, Linux 2.4.0-test5
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From: shawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: psychology of linux
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:21:12 GMT
greetings earthlings
Ok, this is an obscure and hard to answer question, but i want to know
what motivates the most hardcore geeks among us. what makes you go out
and learn that new language, what makes you interested in learning new
systems, networking, that type of thing. I really have trouble
grasping/understanding a concept without knowing all the guts behind the
curtain so to speak, so if you could give me any relevant information it
would be appreciated.
shawn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: /usr/sbin/nscd
Date: 7 Aug 2000 17:26:10 GMT
On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:00:05 GMT,
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anybody know what this program is or what it does? I don't seem
> to have docs on it. If I don't need it, I don't want seven copies of
> it running.
It's the 'name service caching demon'.
In short, what it does is intercept calls to gethost*() and getpw*()
[and others, but those are the most typical] calls and cache the
results.
On a busy server (something like a mail server, where the username is
looked up by the mail daemon and then within a second looked up again by
the local delivery agent and perhaps the pop3 daemon...) and a slow
lookup (a HUGE passwd file or NIS), it can be a life saver. On other
systems, it's just a waste to run it and may even slow things down.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kde 2.0 beta 3
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:20:13 GMT
There have been a couple of responses to this that I am not sure will
work (I've never done it that way>. The way I would do this is;
su -
<enter root passwd>
rpm -i <the name of the file you downloaded>
cd /usr/src/RPM/SPECS
rpm -dd <the specfile that resembles the file you downloaded>
cd /usr/src/RPM/RPMS
ls *
cd <the directory that have the rpm that you just created>
rpm -Uvh <the name of the rpm you just created>
This way, you have the rpm's that are installed and managed the same way
all the other rpm's.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Daniel Bechard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I download a bunch of files (kde 2.0 beta 3) for exemple
> kdepim2-1-92-1.src.rpm
> When I tried to install this file with package it did not seem to work
> Is there something I have to do beside using package to uptade the kde
> files?
>
> Thanks
>
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Before you buy.
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From: Dave Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Recording on the sound card on console ?
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:48:44 -0400
Pedro Duarte wrote:
> What's the best console program (no X windows) available for sound
> recording?
>
> By the best, i mean "the most optimized", since I have a 486 cpu ...
http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linuxsound/
Ecasound is excellent, as is Csound. Both might be a little tough to
learn, but definitely worth the effort.
If you just want to record short soundfiles you can use the play/record
apps from the SoX package. There are others, see the soundapps site for
links...
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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: **Something For Sale You Want**
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:29:59 GMT
i am 17 so i cant sale on e-bay and i dont have a credit card so i cant
sale on cnet so im saling COREL LINUX DELUX mint condition with EVERYTHING
included just like new.
>if you or anyone is interested e-mail me [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suggest a price.
>hope your not offended im using this to sale something. *sorry*
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: psychology of linux
Date: 7 Aug 2000 10:43:17 PST
shawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> greetings earthlings
> Ok, this is an obscure and hard to answer question, but i want to know
> what motivates the most hardcore geeks among us. what makes you go out
> and learn that new language, what makes you interested in learning new
> systems, networking, that type of thing. I really have trouble
> grasping/understanding a concept without knowing all the guts behind the
> curtain so to speak, so if you could give me any relevant information it
> would be appreciated.
Why does someone interested in literature read books? Why does a sports
fan want to learn more about sports? Why does a scientist want to learn
more about his or her science?
It is a matter of learning about something, getting interested, and then
wanting to learn more. A lot of this desire to learn can be attributed
to intellectual curiousity and the satisfaction one feels upon learning
something new.
In short I am saying that the desire to learn about computers is not fundamentally
different from the desire to learn about other things. For example, I know a climbing
geek who has developed vast rock climbing skills and knowledge.
--
Neil
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From: "Gavin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modem Lights App for Windoze?
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:42:06 +0100
Thanks
I look like just what I was looking for.
It's saved me a lot of programming.
Gavin
"Fabian Gebhardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I think its not exectly that you are searching for:
>
> Try nettrafd. Its a client/server program. The server runs on linux and
sends
> the amount of nettraffic of e.g. ppp0, eth0 or what you want to the
clients,
> which run on windoze and will show you a diagramm (? I don't know the
word).
> I think I found it on freshmeat.
>
> Here is the homepage: http://nettraf.webjump.com/
>
> There is also a screenshot of the client. Have a look at it.
> --
> CU, Fabian Gebhardt
>
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ#: 77948091
> Homepage: http://www.ki.tng.de/~gebhardt
> Schul-Seite: http://www.ebg.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.linux.setup,comp.linux
Subject: Linux 6.2 Login problem
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:37:26 GMT
Hi,
I have a problem with a computer connected to a NIS and NFS server.
If I login in and open more than one login on separate tty's , on
logging out from any one tty results in logout from all the other
tty's. Any suggestions???
thanks in advance
Sandy
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Before you buy.
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From: Simon Lemieux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reinstalling LILO
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:51:52 GMT
A boot floppy heh? Damn! I don't even have a floppy drive! Is it possible to
make an image of that floppy and write it to a bootable CD to transform that
bootable floppy into a bootable CD?
If windows erase LILO, you said it would also erase the partition table and then
would change the configuration of my HD? Hmmm, then I don't think so... but I
remember that after installing windows, LILO was unexisting and booted windows
directly, I had to reinstall linux because of my non-existing floppy drive...
Can I make an .ISO image of a floppy disk?
> First, you don't quite have it right. Lilo does not normally write
> to the first sector of the Windows partition. If it were set up that
> way, Windows wouldn't boot. Normally, one puts the lilo boot loader
> in the master boot record, which is the first sector on the disk
> and outside all partitions. I assume that is what you meant.
> If you reinstall windows, it is quite possible that the windows
> installer will overwrite part of the master boot record containing
> lilo, but it is highly unlikely it will affect the partition table
> which is also contained in the MBR.
>
> To do what you want, make sure you have a Linux boot floppy. If
> you don't have one from the Linux installation, where it should
> have been made by default, use the command mkbootdisk. Do
> man bootdisk to check its syntax. But if for example you have
> the kernel vmlinuz-2.2.12-20, the form of the command is
> /sbin/mkbootdisk 2.2.12-20
> If you don't know the number of your kernel, look in /boot or
> run
> uname -r
> Before your proceed, check that the boot floppy actually works.
> But be warned that with many recent BIOSs, the routine for loading
> the kernel seems to take for ever to start. Give it ten minutes
> to be sure.
>
> After you have reinstalled windows, boot Linux from the floppy
> and run
> /sbin/lilo
> That should put the lilo boot loader back in the MBR.
>
> Before you do anything else, you might use the Linux command
> fdisk -l
> or
> fdisk -l /dev/hda
> (assuming you have one IDE hard drive).
> This will list the partition table information. Write down
> this information just in case you have to reestablish the partition
> table for some reason. In some situations you can do this with
> a rescue system run in ramdisk.
>
> --
>
> Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
> Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Subject: Re: ADSL with Suse 6.2
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:55:21 -0700
Volker K�ster wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I wanted to run ADSL under Suse Linux 6.2, so I updated my Kernel from
> version 2.2.10 to current version 2.2.16. The new kernel works quiet
> smoothly, but I'm not sure if I also have do update my system libaries
> to emulate a Suse 6.3 system (if I have to update my libaries which do I
> have to update?). But in general: Is it possible to run T-DSL (the ADSL
> version from German Telekom) with Suse 6.2?
>
> After I ran the new kernel, I installed the pppoed-0.42-0 and tried to
> initiate a connection with the T-Online server, but the log file
> (/var/log/messages) just told me that Linux coudn't open the file
> /dev/pppoex. What do I have to do to fix this problem?
>
> Volker
>
> PS: Antworten k�nnen auch in Deutsch erfolgen ;-)
I've been running SuSE 2.0.13 kernel with DSL in the US for 2 years.
Just updated to 2.2.14 a couple months ago.
If you get pure xDSL, not pppoE, then, the kernel doesn't really
matters, just make sure your ethernet card is supported, and have the
correct driver/module loaded.
I believe SuSE 6.4 supports pppoE as well.
Chech the SuSE site for info. SuSE is from German. so, it's should have
plenty of info for Germany as well.
http://suse.de/
--
- Alex / blowfish.(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Subject: Re: Problems with Belkin OmniView Switch box ?
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:59:17 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am running Mandrake 7.1, and am using a Belkin Omni View SE 4-Port to
> switch between the Linux box and a Win98 box.
>
> I am finding that when I switch from the Win98 box to the Linux box,
> spurious character(s) seem to be sent to a Linux xterm. It seems as if
> usually, the spurious character is an "up-arrow", since I often find my
> last command (repeated) in the command line (I am using bash). I am
> running the same setup at work with a Linux and NT box and have seen
> nary a problem.
>
> Anybody else having this problem ? This is an annoyance, but my
> real worry is that one day I am going to have something disastrous,
> repeated in the command line...
>
> thanks,
> terry
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
My Berkin Omni 4 ports KVM died after 2.5 months.
I don't have any windoz machine, so, can't answer that part. It worked
okay with *BSD and Linux. But died a premature death.
--
- Alex / blowfish.(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
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