Linux-Misc Digest #569, Volume #25 Sat, 26 Aug 00 13:13:04 EDT
Contents:
xf86config lists ("Dave Stanton")
Re: A Hiding Partition (QNA)
Re: KDE and Gnome (Dances With Crows)
Re: Interesting kernel configuration question (Kasper Dupont)
Re: Backup to remote tape does not work (Ulf)
Re: pam_wheel.so (Doug O'Leary)
Re: where is gnuchess installed? (Doug O'Leary)
Re: Reiserfs (Kichi Leung)
Help: Mandrake update (Kichi Leung)
Two monitors HOWTO? (Bruno Barberi Gnecco)
W2K and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Help for newbie stuck with linux boot floppy (Leonard Evens)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Bob Hauck)
Re: Hidden Partition - shouldn't be! Can't boot. (Markus Kossmann)
Re: pam_wheel.so (Dances With Crows)
XPM Icons ("Anton Suchaneck")
imwheel stopped working ("Anton Suchaneck")
Re: Reading vi files in windows (Paul Lew)
Re: KPPP and PPPd Question ("Rinaldi J. Montessi")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Re: xf86config lists ("Dave Stanton")
Changing KDE-Themes each time ("Anton Suchaneck")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Re: Reading vi files in windows (Brady Montz)
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From: "Dave Stanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: xf86config lists
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:04:45 +0100
Hi
Does anyone know if anybody maintains a repository of XF86.config files for
different cards. I think this might be a good idea to help out people who
are having trouble getting their graphics card to work, ie if they had a
known working config file to use as a basis. I realise that it is not a
perfect solution, but its better than nothing. If you all think its a sound
idea and nothing exists at the moment, I would be prepared to host a page on
my web site and get people to send me copies of their working configs.
Please let me know what you think.
Cheers
Dave
--
Support JON JOHANSEN & open source software
more info @ http://www.eff.org
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From: QNA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Hiding Partition
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:29:19 GMT
Markus Kossmann wrote:
>
> QNA wrote:
> >
> > while the un-installation of one of my verions of Linux i found that my
> > computer only detects the space on my Local Disk which is a FAT32 File
> > System, but there is GB's in an Extended Partition that my computer
does
> > not have access to because it is not detected. can Partition Magic for
> > Linux Mandrake help me and if not how can i recover this space. thank
you.
> >
> Yes, the Windows fdisk does not show non-Windows logical partitions .
> Use the Linux-fdisk coming with Mandrake or Partition Magic the remove
> that partition or to change it's type the type which is shown by Windows
> fdisk .
>
> --
> Markus Kossmann
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
so if i change the type to what the majority of my hard disk is labeled it
will all go on one drive so i have all access to my space?
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: KDE and Gnome
Date: 26 Aug 2000 14:30:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:18:10 +0100, Neuhoff wrote:
>> (insert RedHat CD-ROM)
>> mount /mnt/cdrom
>> rpm -Uvh /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/kde*.rpm
>> echo "KDE" > /etc/sysconfig/desktop
>I just did, it comes up with error messages like this:
><file> is needed by <kde*>
>It needs the following files: libqt.so.1 , libqimgio.so.0, qt1x-GL,
>qt1x-devel A simple "whereis <file>" doesn't find them anywhere on the
>CD nor on the disk. How can I install the missing components?
"whereis"? That isn't what you use to find stuff, generally. You use
locate (if it's been there for 24 hours+), find (if not) or if you can
narrow it down to a small part of the directory tree, ls.
ls /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/q*
qt-2.1.0-4.beta1.i386.rpm qt1x-1.45-3.i386.rpm
qt-GL-2.1.0-4.beta1.i386.rpm qt1x-GL-1.45-3.i386.rpm
qt-NSPlugin-2.1.0-4.beta1.i386.rpm qt1x-devel-1.45-3.i386.rpm
qt-Xt-2.1.0-4.beta1.i386.rpm quota-2.00pre3-2.i386.rpm
qt-devel-2.1.0-4.beta1.i386.rpm
This is the single-CD version of RdedHat 6.2; YDistroMV, but they're in
there somewhere. The packages you need are the qt1x series--the qt2.1
series are still not quite stable, although you'll need them if you want
to play with KDE2.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Those who do not understand Unix are
http://www.brainbench.com / condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
=============================/ ==Henry Spencer
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From: Kasper Dupont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Interesting kernel configuration question
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:39:09 +0200
Robichaud, Jean-Philippe [BAN:6S33:EXCH] wrote:
>
> Hi everybody
>
> This message is posted in a lot of newsgroup because it touch a lot of
> them. Here is my problem :
>
> I have created a ramdisk so it can be a root partition (/dev/* /proc
> and so on). How can I tell the kernel to use the ramdisk as the root
> partition ? I've try to create a nod with both major and minor numbers
> at 0 and do a rdev vmlinuz dummy, but it fails. All I want is to get my
> kernel booting diskless. I send the kernel and the ramdisk via pxe and
> everything works fine till the kernel try to mount its root partition.
> Again, how can I tell the kernel to use the ramdisk ? (rdev vmlinuz
> /dev/ram0 also failed).
>
[...]
Normally you tell your loader which root partition to use.
If the loader specifies a root partition that will override
the one selected with rdev. Which loader are you using?
(Lilo/Syslinux/Loadlin or something else)
--
Kasper Dupont
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From: Ulf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backup to remote tape does not work
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:32:49 GMT
In article <8o6fon$9ut$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ulf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am using the following command to backup the directory "foo" on the
> local system to the tape drive on the remote system "bar":
> tar cvfb - 20 foo | rsh bar dd of=/dev/nst0 obs=20b
>
> The backup begins and data is written to the tape, but then the
process
> exits with:
> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
> 32586+15642 records in
> 2215+0 records out
>
> What am I doing wrong?
And here is the answer: It actually worked just fine, with a slight
problem due to file permissions.
The line
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
is a tar error, telling me that there was an error. In fact, tar
continues to work even it detected an error, but then, when it's done
with the archive, it remembers that in the process there had been
errors, so it reminds me of the fact that there were errors.
The error was in fact that I did not have read permissions on some of
the files I was trying to tar.
The rest of the output:
32586+15642 records in
2215+0 records out
is feedback from dd.
Voila!
--Ulf
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Doug O'Leary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pam_wheel.so
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:05:50 -0700
Hey;
> Add these two lines to the top of the file just under #%PAM-1.0
>
> auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_rootok.so debug
> auth required /lib/security/pam_wheel.so group=wheel
Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, no luck. Everyone, as long as
they know the password, can still su to root.
If anyone has any other ideas, I'd be happy to hear them. Thanks for
your time.
Doug
--
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Douglas K. O'Leary
Senior System Admin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Doug O'Leary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where is gnuchess installed?
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:12:47 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
One poster suggested checking the rpm package via rpm command - which is
a good idea if you haven't blown it away already. If you have, check the
installed package via
$ rpm -ql gnuchess
Doug
--
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Douglas K. O'Leary
Senior System Admin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Kichi Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reiserfs
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:05:23 +0800
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Jeff Davis wrote:
>I was installing Mandrake and somewhere I read that Reiserfs was
>included as an option for 'enterprise systems'. Why would an average
Just mandrake's marketing crap, i suppose.
>user not want reiserfs? it sounds good to me (the journaling part at
>least). Why would it be good for enterprise?
If you are curious, go ahead and install it. Even if you aren't, go ahead and
install it anyway. A good thing about reiserfs is that it allows your
partitions to get away with less damage after a crash (if that ever occurs).
If you want some technical info on reiserfs:
http://www.devlinux.com/projects/reiserfs
Apparently, only SuSe and mandrake support this filesystem out of the box.
--
Kichi Leung
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Kichi Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help: Mandrake update
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:14:42 +0800
I have just installed mandrake 7.1 and everything works fine, with the
exception of mandrake update. Everytime i try to run it, it tries to retrieve
the list of mirrors and then reports "failed...." then exits.
I use a ISP which uses proxy servers, but even after i'm properly connected (as
in able to use netscape, krn, etc) and with wget version 1.5.3-8mdk properly
installed, i am still unable to use mandrake update.
Any ideas?
--
Kichi Leung
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Bruno Barberi Gnecco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Two monitors HOWTO?
Date: 26 Aug 2000 10:30:14 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd like to install two monitors here, using two video cards.
Both are PCI. Is there any HOWTO or documentation explaining how I do
it? Have anyone around done it?
--
Bruno Barberi Gnecco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/1980/
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore". - Poe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: W2K and Linux
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:34:31 GMT
I've used NT for 4 years. I thought W2K would obliterate Linux when it
came out. After using W2K for several months, I thought I'd give Linux
a try...
After three weeks of using Linux, I realize the following:
Using windows is like putting a puzzle together with oven mits on.
Windows users aren't stupid, they're ignorant, there is a difference.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help for newbie stuck with linux boot floppy
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:30:18 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Thank you,....i will tried it!!
>
> TongEng Chiah wrote:
>
> > i think ur hardisk is bigger than 8.4Mb, and linux may have problem
> > accessing beyond 1024 cylinders.
> >
> > to solve the problem, boot up using ur floppy
> > edit the file /etc/lilo.conf
> >
> > there should be a option linear in the file, change it to lba32
> > if not, just added lba32 in
> > after that, do a
> > /sbin/lilo
> >
> > reboot after that.
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Hi, any help appreciated.......
> > >
> > > I'm currently using Gentus Linux GPL v3.0 with a dual Celeron ABIT BP-6
> > > motherboard. I am using a boot floppy to boot into the system. My
> > > regular LILO gets stuck at LI....and died. I'm using ATA66 harddisks
> > > (and they are detected properly once we pass the initial boot sequence),
> > > and i believe the kernel is already specially compiled in the CD to run
> > > with ATA66.
> > >
> > > Am I missing something? There is also a problem when i use upgrade
> > > option in the Gentus CD to upgrade to a higher version Linux(such as
> > > from Gentus v1.0 to Gentus v3.0). It always get stuck, i suspect the
> > > installer was unable to properly read the harddisk geometry.....and i
> > > have to install as fresh. :-(
> > >
> > > Thank you for any help.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Damon
> > >
> > > P.S. - Gentus distro is very similar to RedHat distro(actually i
> > > believe it's exactly alike except with kernel compiled to handle UDMA
> > > and some other special drivers).
For the lba32 option to work, you have to be sure you have the
latest version of lilo. There is a good chance your distribution
didn't come with that version.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:43:40 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:52:59 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Perhaps the developer doesn't WANT me to know what they are going to do to
>my computer's storage in order to install their program. Well, in that
>case, I don't want their product. I am sick and tired of having a dead
>machine because some stinking DLL or registry setting is screwed up, and I
>haven't got any reasonable way of figuring it out. In fact, I have such a
>laptop (a four week old, top of the line Dell with a dead Windows 98)
>sitting right over there in the corner.
Oh, so you're trying to solve the *Windows* install problem. Oh, I see
now. Well, that *is* a problem. Not for me, as I avoid Windows, but
apparently for lots of people. And while the install problem isn't
just a Windows problem, that system does seem to do things less well
than others.
Since you posted this to a bunch of non-Windows groups, I should point
out that here are existing system-level installers for Linux and
FreeBSD that more or less provide what you want. They will give you a
list of files that are to be installed, tell you what other packages
this one depends on (and in some systems they will install those for
you too). The file formats are documented and tools are provided to
extract various information. You can extract all the components and
install them by hand if you want, if not the software keeps a database
of what is installed where so you can do upgrades, a clean uninstall
(modulo files that the program creates at runtime), get verification
that files have not been tampered with, and the like.
These programs are not perfect, but they are vastly better than the
one's I've seen for Windows. Perhaps you should look at these before
you go off redesigning the world in XML. You might get some good ideas
at least, even if they don't do everything you dream of.
>My point is we have gotten past the idea that the writer is responsible
>for laying out each page in a document.
We have? You'd better explain that concept to the 75% of webmasters
who think HTML is a page-layout language.
>Let's get over the idea that each developer has the responsibility for
>laying out my storage.
In his copious spare time, the developer will program so that you can
install any components anywhere and it'll still work.
Clearly, you *aren't* a developer.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:43:42 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:12:53 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Let me get this straight. I have posted a fairly long document that claims
>that installation of software is nothing more than properly rendering
>storage.
You have posted a fairly long document that doesn't really say much
that is concrete and implementable. You essentially trust that somehow
XML can solve the problem but don't say how exactly. And you don't
seem to have investigated what has already been done in this area.
While using XML as a way to structure dependency lists and databases
for a system-level software installer might have some merit, there is
a lot more that needs to go into it. Using XML does not by itself solve
any of the well-known problems of software installation.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Markus Kossmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hidden Partition - shouldn't be! Can't boot.
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:57:25 +0200
root wrote:
[ probelms with hidden DOS partition]
>
> Now. Seeing as I can' use windows or DOS to access bootmagic nor access
> windows itself to use some other software to make the partition visible again,
> can anyone offer a solution? Is there a linux proggy which can UN-hide my drive?
Linux fdisk should help you . Change the ID of the partition back with
the t command from hidden ( 16 for hidden FAT16 or 1d/1e/1f for hidden
FAT32) to non-hidden ( 6 or d/e/f)
--
Markus Kossmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: pam_wheel.so
Date: 26 Aug 2000 16:04:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:05:50 -0700, Doug O'Leary wrote:
>> Add these two lines to the top of the file just under #%PAM-1.0
>>
>> auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_rootok.so debug
>> auth required /lib/security/pam_wheel.so group=wheel
>Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, no luck. Everyone, as long as
>they know the password, can still su to root.
Eh? What's wrong with:
chown root.wheel `which su`
chmod 4750 `which su`
aside from the obvious concerns brought up below?
(from the man page for GNU su:)
Why GNU su does not support "wheel":
Sometimes a few of the users try to hold total power over all
the rest. For example, in 1984, a few users at the MIT AI lab decided
to seize power by changing the operator pass- word on the Twenex system
and keeping it secret from every- one else. (I was able to thwart this
coup and give power back to the users by patching the kernel, but
I wouldn't know how to do that in Unix.)
However, occasionally the rulers do tell someone. Under the usual
su mechanism, once someone learns the root password who sympathizes
with the ordinary users, he can tell the rest. The "wheel group"
feature would make this impossible, and thus cement the power of the
rulers. I'm on the side of the masses, not that of the rulers. If
you are used to supporting the bosses and sysadmins in what- ever they
do, you might find this idea strange at first.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Those who do not understand Unix are
http://www.brainbench.com / condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
=============================/ ==Henry Spencer
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From: "Anton Suchaneck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: XPM Icons
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:57:55 +0100
I would like to beautify my folders.
So where can I find XPM-Icons for that purpose?
Anton
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From: "Anton Suchaneck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: imwheel stopped working
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:03:36 +0100
Since I changed th configuration of imwheel, imwheel stopped working.
It starts without complaining but my wheel doesnt work. Has anyone have
a suggestion?
Anton
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Subject: Re: Reading vi files in windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:10:16 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:25:00 +0200, Fabian Gebhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There is also a little trick: Notepad doesn't understand the UNIX files,
but the
>old DOS 'edit' does!
>So just open them in DOS 'edit' and save them. Or use some of the
convert progs:
>duconv, unix2dos, dos2unix...
>
Or even get a copy of vi for windows in either 16-bit or 32-bit....has
menus, etc to use if wished.
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From: "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KPPP and PPPd Question
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:10:31 -0400
Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
> "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> >Is kppp SUID root? The documentation for kppp (read it!)
> >>
> >> Where exactly is this documentation?
>
> >At the end of the locate rainbow?
>
> Isn't that a slightly crazy place to put documentation?
> Why not in /usr/doc/ with everything else?
>
> >~]# locate kppp | grep doc | grep html
>
> >Point your browser at the results, start with index.html, probably.
>
> Thanks very much for the pointer.
> Actually what I get is
>
> /usr/share/doc/HTML/de/kppp/hayes.html
> /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kppp/hayes.html
> /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kpppload/gpl.html
> /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kpppload/index.html
>
> But I'll see if I can find anything there.
>
> I must admit that I'm completely baffled
> by the KDE attitude to documentation.
> It seems that a huge effort is going into this --
> yet the simplest things,
> like leaving the documentation in the normal place,
> seem to be ignored.
>
> I'm probably rather old fashioned,
> but I think there is a lot to be said
> for a 1 page man-page,
> if only to point at other documentation.
>
> I should say that I am (probably foolishly)
> running KDE-1.92 under pinstripe.
>
It doesn't look to me like you have a complete kde install. Those
same parameters here yield:
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/hayes.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/index.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/kppp-1.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/kppp-10.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/kppp-2.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/kppp-3.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/kppp-4.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/kppp-5.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/kppp-6.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/kppp-7.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/kppp-8.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/kppp-9.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kppp/kppp.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kpppload/gpl.html
/usr/doc/kde/HTML/en/kpppload/index.html
--
Rinaldi]$
Here in Florida, we have a billion-dollar plan to teach third-grade
reading. We call it the 12th grade. (Stolen from Jay Leno)
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:05:01 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:L4Pp5.19468$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> This is really getting close to what the origional post was all about!
Only
> it is isn't what is in the document that I want to know, but the
information
> that is typically "encrypted" into the installation program! I want to
know
> what files, directories, configuration settings, etc. that a program
relies
> on in order to be operational. I know this information is in the install
> program the developer provided. Thus I often uninstall and reinstall the
> program to try to fix the program (success rate: 20 percent).
>
> The problem is that every software component is handed to me in the same,
> encrypted format (a pile of installs from various venders). No meta
> information about how these structures are supposed to be interrelated.
No
> single and separate "installation" facility (or what I would call a
> "Software Rendering Facility") for collecting and tracking this
information.
>
> Perhaps the developer doesn't WANT me to know what they are going to do to
> my computer's storage in order to install their program. Well, in that
> case, I don't want their product. I am sick and tired of having a dead
> machine because some stinking DLL or registry setting is screwed up, and I
> haven't got any reasonable way of figuring it out. In fact, I have such a
> laptop (a four week old, top of the line Dell with a dead Windows 98)
> sitting right over there in the corner.
>
> My point is we have gotten past the idea that the writer is responsible
for
> laying out each page in a document. Let's get over the idea that each
> developer has the responsibility for laying out my storage.
>
> There is little to hide when it comes to how to install software. So why
> don't developers just lay out what they need done in plain English (or
> swahili whatever) already!
If that is your concern, then you didn't word it very well and bringing XML
in to the discussion was pointless side issue that you gave center stage to.
If all you want is information and control over your system when installing
new software and have the power to override bad installation ideas in
relations to your hosts needs; then WELCOME TO THE ALMOST FORGOTTEN PAST OF
COMPUTING! That is just the way things were before Microsoft along with a
few other companies together desided that we neither needed to know or even
could handle these issues.
To fix thing we don't need a redesigned package manager as you now seem to
be championing. All we need is for the software to be delivered in a format
that we can control its installation. At one time all we had to do was copy
the programs and their supporting files onto our systems, we were in control
of that process, we knew what was being done and could select to locations
of the programs. Then they started to be shipped in standard compressed
archives. We could still examine the contents of the archives and control
and override the installation process as we saw fit.
Over time the process has become more and more automated with less and less
control on the part of the humans responsible for the installation. What we
need is to reject Redmond's way of doing thing and a return to the past.
When you depend on a standard installation program/package manager you are
surrendering control. You are right if you believe we need to eliminate
installation programs for most cases, but you don't do that by just
introducing another package manager. You do that by returning to the way
things were done right before the installation programs and package managers
came along.
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From: "Dave Stanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xf86config lists
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:18:28 +0100
"Dave Stanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi
>
> Does anyone know if anybody maintains a repository of XF86.config files
for
> different cards. I think this might be a good idea to help out people who
> are having trouble getting their graphics card to work, ie if they had a
> known working config file to use as a basis. I realise that it is not a
> perfect solution, but its better than nothing. If you all think its a
sound
> idea and nothing exists at the moment, I would be prepared to host a page
on
> my web site and get people to send me copies of their working configs.
>
> Please let me know what you think.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave
PLEASE IGNORE THIS POST. I didn't realise the XF86 org had one.
My sincre apologies to the ng
Cheers
dave
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From: "Anton Suchaneck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Changing KDE-Themes each time
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:07:51 +0100
I would like to let the KDE theme change every time I start up.
Maybe the themes could depend on the current time. How can I
do that without manually changing confs. Does someone know a
script or a program?
Anton
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:17:15 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:52:59 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Clearly, you *aren't* a developer.
And that give him the perfect qualifications to determine what developers
should be doing. Read a little about the latest fad, like XML,
understanding less than half of the information, credit it with magical
properties to solve all ills and then direct developers to make it work
somehow. Sounds familiar?
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Subject: Re: Reading vi files in windows
From: Brady Montz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 26 Aug 2000 09:25:01 -0700
Fabian Gebhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There is also a little trick: Notepad doesn't understand the UNIX files, but
> the old DOS 'edit' does! So just open them in DOS 'edit' and save them. Or
> use some of the convert progs: duconv, unix2dos, dos2unix...
Vim does too (see http://www.vim.org for windows binaries), and converts
nicely between the two with ":set ff=unix" or ":set ff=dos".
I also think that textpad handles unix files.
--
Brady Montz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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