Linux-Misc Digest #586, Volume #25 Sun, 27 Aug 00 17:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: W2K and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 3D w/ Matrox G400 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ALSA !? Angry Latins Stomp Ants??? (David Efflandt)
Re: X (Paul Wilson)
Re: Members of root group (David Efflandt)
Re: Desktop of No Return. (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: kernel compiles root device as (3,65); boots for (3,41) (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: RE: Borland C++ for Linux (Garry Knight)
Re: RE: Borland C++ for Linux (Garry Knight)
Re: Bash: a simple question (Richard Kimber)
linux device driver book ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Advice sought, (new user coming from OS/2) (John Hasler)
Re: console msgs under Stormix (John Hasler)
Compiling GNOME - Compiler can't find GDK-Pixbuf (Ken Conroy)
Wierd Gnome problem - Desktop Icons disappear in some WMs (Ken Conroy)
Re: if I report a mount command bug, is it distribution specific? (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows: Long (Jean-David Beyer-valinux)
Re: Monitor ip masq? (dweebster)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: W2K and Linux
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:59:54 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"J.T. Wenting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And do not forget that a lot of money is to be made creating software
for
> Windows, far more than creating for Linux or any other OS (except
maybe
> mainframes, and I would not want one of those at home).
> If only for that, I need Windows (and for the far greater number of
> applications all round, of course).
Well maybe not in the server market, I would definatly say that Linux
is more reliable then Windows NT and I would prefer e.g. an Oracle
Database to be handled by a Linux/Unix machine instead of NT.
Software like databases aren't free most of the time but I agree that
the market for e.g. games and more consumer oriented applications
aren't large at the moment.
Hopefully that will change because I among others like Linux and some
degree of competition aren't bad.
Not even for the Windows users.
> As long as Windows (and most of the tools to be had for it) are as
easy (if
> not easier) to use than their counterparts (if existent) on linux,
Windows
> will remain dominant in the mainstream. Most users don't care about
whether
> their computer can run 10 hours or 10 years without booting, the
electricity
> bill forces them to shut it down after 3 hours or so anyway.
Maybe not for the home user but for companies uptime is very critical,
for the servers that is.
> Try OS/2 on the server. It is quite good (though there is indeed a
lack of
> software for it). OS/2 was killed by lack of hardware support most of
all.
> IBM left users in the cold unless they were using IBM hardware for
far too
> long (I can know, I used OS/2 myself up to last year at work, when we
> switched because IBM stopped supporting even their own stuff).
I have tried it, I used to work for IBM so I have used it both at work
and at customers.
> I would not recommend linux for people who have no knowledge of what
is
> happening under the hood, and no inclination to find out. Without that
> knowledge, successfully running a linux box becomes far harder
(unless you
> use a distro that is basically Windows in user-experience, with the
same
> shortcomings in not being tuned to the system hardware, but just the
biggest
> common denominator).
It can never hurt to try an OS but if the will aren't there then thats
it, not much we can do about it.
/Fredrik
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 3D w/ Matrox G400
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:04:39 GMT
> I'm using the G400 with 3.3.6 and Mesa 3.2 too. No problems so far
with
> the Mesa-demos and other OpenGL stuff except for Moonlight and Unreal
> Turnament (seems SDL is not using libGL.so). Did you install only the
> libGL.so from glx or did you an install of Mesa too ? Then some
programs
> could use the Mesa-GL lib and therefore use software mode. Try a 'find
> /usr -name libGL.so' and remove the ones not belonging to glx.
>
The only GL libs I have installed are in /usr/X11R6/lib and were all
installed from the GLX compile I did the other night...
Have you tried BZflag? It's pretty simple to install if you haven't and
would like to try it. If you do, let me know how things go and what
settings you used in your /etc/glx.conf.
Thanks,
-rd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: ALSA !? Angry Latins Stomp Ants???
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:10:31 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Scott Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>alsa's confusin me!
>it says my sound card is supported, but it dont have the module for
>it! ... im totally confoosticated...
>any help ?
>AOpen AW724, yamaha ds3 driver under windoze...
>io1 is 220-22f, io2 is 330-331, irq 11, mem e4800000-e4807fff
>anyone know a module that will work, or how i should compile one of my
>own?
>
>read the sound howto, and the alsa mini-howto... hmph...
>oh wellz
Did you look through the supported sound cards at:
http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/
It says to use the 'ymfpci' module. My Sony laptop uses a Yamaha chip
with that module, but I have been using the easier commercial
opensound.com drivers since before ALSA had it. Disable PnP support in
CMOS setup if sounds are cut short or repeat.
BTW, my Yamaha card worked with the sb and opl3 modules that came with RH
6.1, but only as an sbpro with 8-bit sound, which would not play 16-bit
files or CD music. I haven't gotten playmidi to work with the ASLA
modules yet (maybe that fixed that now), but it everything works with the
opensound.com drivers.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Wilson)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: X
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:11:48 GMT
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:30:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm trying to run an graphical application (such as netscape) on a
>SunOS, where I don't have root access, while telneting from a Linux,
>where I'm the sysadmin. I get the following error:
>
>SunOS$ netscape
>Xlib: connection to "my.linux.machine:0.0" refused by server
>Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
>Error: Can't open display: my.linux.machine:0
>
>What can I do to rectify this?
On your linux machine, do xhost + remote.sunos.machine
Paul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Members of root group
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:19:02 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:33:55 +0000, Oscar Rau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I am planning to add some normal users to root group, so they can
>analyze the root logs and later on be able to start some programs that
>can be started only by root. If I do so, will this user be the same as root?
>Can he/she create and delete filesystems or devices?
Unix systems typically use group 'wheel' for other users who can su to
root or do other things as root. Then you can still separate things that
'only' root should be able to do with different group permission.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: Desktop of No Return.
Date: 27 Aug 2000 18:14:52 GMT
QNA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[ i must first go into linux using a 'generic VGA Compatible' chip because
[ of problems with the Intel 810 Chip, but then after going into linux and
[ editing the /etx/X11/Config (i think thats it?) and changing the lines to
[ detect my video card i then cannot 'startx' or get into my desktop. i get
[ a errno error or something telling me there are now problems because of my
[ configuration. what can i do in order to fix that or get back into my
[ desktop after it locks me out?
see if ctl-alt-backspace takes you back to command line
otherwise maybe go through XF86Config again (start over)
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: kernel compiles root device as (3,65); boots for (3,41)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:59:15 GMT
[Note FollowUp-To: header]
xavian anderson macpherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
>one of the things that i've found out is that suse uses a different file
>directory structure than some of the other distributions,
AFAIK, the SuSE directory structure is actually much stricter
following the FSSTND than RedHat.
>and for this
>reason, i nolonger recommend it to anyone interested in moving to linux
>from windows.
Pardon me, but even if SuSE's way of putting things _here_ instead
of _there_ was not conforming to the FSSTND, this would mean
absolutely nothing to anyone moving from Win* to Linux.
>it is basically like moving from an overtly proprietary
>system, to one that is subvertly proprietary. for this rewason, i am
>fairly certain that i will migrate to the WALNUTCREEK FreeBSD-4.0 powerpak
>come september 1rst.
And this has to do with Linux - what?
>anyway, back to the main subject. how do i set the root device correctly,
[...]
man rdev
man lilo.conf
Michael
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From: Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RE: Borland C++ for Linux
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:07:09 +0100
"Stuart Mika Hankel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Any direction to go to? I don't know where to start searching for Linux
>software. Do you know of a special ftp or something similar?
http://freshmeat.net
http://www.rpmfind.net/
http://www.tuxfinder.com
http://linux.davecentral.com
http://powerlinux.linuxberg.com/index.html
http://www.execpc.com/~lsm/
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/
--
Garry Knight
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From: Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RE: Borland C++ for Linux
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:35:06 +0100
"Stuart Mika Hankel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Where can i get the KDK?
Try here: http://www.kde.org
--
Garry Knight
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kimber)
Subject: Re: Bash: a simple question
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:43:06 GMT
On 26 Aug 2000 16:57:15 -0800, Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kimber) wrote:
>>In tcsh, if I type
>>echo hello"\012"there
>>I get
>>hello
>>there
>>
>>In bash, if I do the same, I get
>>hello\012there
>>
>>I may have misunderstood the bash man page, but I thought it should do the
>>same as in the tcsh.
>>
>>So, in bash, how do I get the same result? I tried using \n but that didn't
>>work either.
>
>Use the -e option to echo, to enable escape sequence interpretation.
>
> echo -e hello"\012"there
>
>In the bash man page, you want to look in the section titled
>SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS for a description of echo and its
>options. You can find that easily while using the man command
>by doing a search. At the prompt, type in /echo and hit return.
Thanks. I suppose I should have explained more fully. I chose that example
thinking that the solution would be general. Perhaps there isn't a general
solution. What I was trying to find out was how the command line would be
parsed if I was looking for newlines. E.g. I might want to use sed to replace
a string with a newline, or I might want to use grep to find all the newlines,
or tr etc., etc. Is there a consistent way I can write a command that will
recognise, say \012 ?
- Richard.
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( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: linux device driver book
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:44:53 GMT
Hi,
What is the best book I can find on learning to write linux
device drivers. I am newbie on this and I expect something
too compicated.
Thanx all.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advice sought, (new user coming from OS/2)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:12:21 GMT
David Rysdam writes:
> Alternatively, you could go get one of the "floppy distros" and work your
> way up.
Or he could install the Debian "base system? (about 40M) and work his way up.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: console msgs under Stormix
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:11:55 GMT
David B. van Balen writes:
> I really like the ppp-go/ppp-off scripts that come with Slackware,...
The Debian equivalents (Stormix is a Debian derivative) are pon and poff.
Run pppconfig as root to configure ppp to use them. Use the command 'plog'
to see the messages from pppd.
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John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: Ken Conroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Compiling GNOME - Compiler can't find GDK-Pixbuf
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:21:34 -0400
I went to their website and downloaded and compiled the source files in
the correct order, compiling them into RPMs for easier upgrades in the
future (most of the included files come with a pre-configured .spec file
needed to make RPMs). The problem arises not from the use of RPM (at
least, I don't think) but from a problem with one of the needed
libraries. For some reason, after making and installing (via the
included instructions) the gdk-pixbuf library (this is one of the few
that do not come with a .spec file, so I just did a normal ./configure,
make, make install) the next components to be compiled and installed
(all the components listed before gdk-pixbuf compiled into RPMs and then
installed without a hitch) I recieved a message telling me that the
compiler couldn't find the gdk-pixbuf library. I tried re-installing
the version that came with my distribution (linux mandrake), the
7.0-1mdk version versus the 8.0 version I tried to install manually from
the GNOME website, nothing changed. My current non-default compiler
options (or rather, the options used by the configure script) are as
follows:
MACHTYPE=i686-mandrake-linux-gnu
HOSTTYPE=i686
CFLAGS="-06 -fomit-frame-pointer -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro
-march=pentiumpro -ffast-math -fexpensive-optimizations"
These are variables set by my .bashrc file; the directions for using the
configure script recommend setting these options through the use of
variables like this and so far I haven't had any problems. My kernel
compiled with very similar options (except for the machtype/hosttype
variables which I did not know about at the time, and I doubt they would
make a difference) so I am certain that the options are, in general, not
at fault (otherwise I wouldn't be typing this right now.)
To add to my tremendous aggravation, HelixCode's website doesn not seem
to have ANY working links to the RPM for the library for Mandrake on
ANY mirror, but of course there is a link. But, that's another story
altogether.
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From: Ken Conroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Wierd Gnome problem - Desktop Icons disappear in some WMs
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:36:32 -0400
When I tried to switch from Sawmill to IceWM (using my default Mandrake
installation, see my other post for info about my failing upgrade
attempt) all of my desktop icons disappear. My desktop still works (ie.
I can add new icons) but my old icons seem to simple cease to exist.
They all reappear for a split second while I switch WMs, but after
hitting ice once they never work again in any other WM including
Sawmill. If I open the desktop folder and try to drag an icon to the
desktop, I get a message somewhere along the lines of the file already
exists there or something like that (those who useGNOME should know what
I'm talking about.) In the meantime, between this problem (which occurs
under various users including root, the only apparent way to fix it is
to remove the existing GNOME prefs for the individual user and start the
account over from scratch (at least, to GNOME's eyes) and my failing
attempt at installing a new version of GNOME, I am forced to rely on KDE
<shudder>. Does anyone know how to fix (or better yet, prevent) this?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: if I report a mount command bug, is it distribution specific?
Date: 27 Aug 2000 20:44:58 GMT
In article <8ob0qj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dan Jacobson wrote:
>I found that mount -h's output differs from the parameters on the mount
>man page...
>If I were just to send this to the Mandrake company, wouldn't that only
>help one part of the linux world?
>MOUNT(8) Linux Programmer's Manual MOUNT(8)
> mount [-fnrsvw .... device | dir
># mount -h
>Usage: mount [-hV]
> mount -a [-nfFrsvw] [-t vfstypes]
> mount [-nfrsvw] [-o options] special | node <--- not
>'device | dir' as on man page; same problem with umount
[...]
It would only help the Mandrake users as here the manual page
is right. mount is part of the util-linux package and the right
manual page is there too, so Mandrake botched something.
BTW yes, the available mount options and such are system specific and
with Linux see man 8 mount (well ...) to make sure for the installation
in question.
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows: Long
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:52:25 -0400
Tad McClellan wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:17:15 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:52:59 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Clearly, you *aren't* a developer.
> >
> >And that give him the perfect qualifications to determine what developers
> >should be doing. Read a little about the latest fad, like XML,
> >understanding less than half of the information, credit it with magical
> >properties to solve all ills and then direct developers to make it work
> >somehow. Sounds familiar?
>
> Someone (name Scott, perhaps?) could get rich from a
> comic strip that characterized that situation :-)
This is not a new problem. Peter Elias once wrote an editorial in the Proceedings of
the IRE (Institute of Radio Engineers before it merged with the IEE (Institute of
Electrical Engineers) to form the IEEE, probably around 1965. It went as follows:
TWO FAMOUS PAPERS
PETER ELIAS
It is common in editorials to discuss matters of general policy and not specific
research. But the two papers I would like to describe have been written so often, by so
many different authors under so many different titles, that they have earned editorial
consideration.
The first paper has the generic title "Information Theory, Photosynthesis and Religion"
(title courtesy of D. A. Huffman), and is written by an engineer of physicist. It
discusses the surprisingly close relationship between the vocabulary and conceptual
framework of information theory and that of psychology (or genetics, or linguistics, or
psychiatry, or business organization). It is pointed out that the concepts of
structure, pattern, entropy, noise, transmitter, receiver, and code are (when properly
interpreted) central to both. Having placed the discipline of psychology for the first
time on a sound scientific bas, the author modestly leaves the filling in of the
outline to the psychologists. He has, of course, read up on the field in preparation
for writing the paper, and has a firm grasp of the essentials, but he has been anxious
not to clutter his mind with such details as the state of knowledge in the field, what
the central problems are; how they are being attacked, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
There is a constructive alternative for the author of this paper. If he is willing to
give up larceny for a life of honest toil, he can find a competent psychologist and
spend several years at intensive mutual education, leading to productive joint
research. But this has some disadvantages from his point of view. First, Psychology
would not be placed on a sound scientific base for several extra years. Second, he
might find himself, as so many have, diverted from the broader questions, wasting his
time on problems whose only merit is that they are vitally important, unsolved, and in
need of interdisciplinary effort. In fact, he might spend so much time solving such
problems that psychology never would be placed on a sound scientific base.
The second paper is typically called "The Optimum Linear Mean Square Filter for
Separating Sinusoidally Modulated Triangular Signals from Randomly Sampled Stationary
Gaussian Noise, with Applications to a Problem in Radar." The details vary from version
to version, but the initial physical problem has as its major interest its obvious
nonlinearity. An effective discussion of this problem would require some really new
thinking of a difficult sort, so the author quickly substitutes an unrelated linear
problem which is more amenable to analysis. He treats this irrelevant linear problem in
a very general way, and by a triumph of analytical technique is able to present its
solution, not quite in closed form, but as the solution to an integral equation whose
kernel is the solution of another bivariate integral equation. He notes that the
problem is now in a form in which standard numerical analysis techniques, and one of
the micromicrosecond computers which people are now beginning to discuss, can provide
detailed answers to specific questions. Many authors might rest here (in fact, many
do), but ours wants real insight into the character of the results. By carefully taking
limits and investigating asymptotic behavior he succeeds in showing that in a few very
special cases (which include all those which have any conceivable application or offer
any significant insight) the results of this analysis agree with the results of the
Wiener-Lee-Zadeh-Raggazzini theory -- the very results, indeed, which Wiener, Lee,
Zadeh, and Raggazzini obtained years before.
These two papers have been written -- and even published -- often enough by now.
I suggest that we stop writing them, and release a large supply of manpower to work on
the exciting and important problems which need investigation.
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\
^^-^^ 3:53pm up 18 days, 23:23, 3 users, load average: 1.17, 1.21, 1.09
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dweebster)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Monitor ip masq?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:55:20 GMT
use tcpdump --> gives raw packet dump. use grep to filter it.
can route to file: tcpdump >> /home/me/spystuff
or filter it through this:
http://stein.cshl.org/~lstein/talks/WWW6/sniffer/
to get better output.
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:42:15 +0200, "Jan Lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> How can I monitor IP Masq. traffic, such as which web site each user is
>> going to?
>if you want i a way to monitor the web traffic with smaller more readable
>logs than you should try to install squid as an transparent proxy. it has
>logging and access controll functions especially for http. And when you use
>it as an transparent proxy, your clients will not know that they connect
>over an proxy and must not change any proxy options.
>
> Jan
>
>
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