Linux-Misc Digest #595, Volume #25               Mon, 28 Aug 00 08:13:02 EDT

Contents:
  Re: crypt code (jose luis fernandez diaz)
  Re: kernel compiles root device as (3,65); boots for (3,41) (M. Buchenrieder)
  some voice through modem (Tomasz Grazka)
  Linux Mail Server ("Jason Ng")
  Re: Firewall for Linux (Simon Brooke)
  Re: Linux Mail Server (Richard Watson)
  Re: Linux Mail Server (John Winters)
  Re: Firewall for Linux (Tim Haynes)
  Re: W2K and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  2 "new" cdroms under Win98 (Gabriel Gagnon)
  Re: Pro*C ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Distro change: To debian or SuSE ?? (Phillip Deackes)
  Re: marking 'bad' sectors? (Jean-David Beyer-valinux)

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From: jose luis fernandez diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: crypt code
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:42:34 +0000

Jeff Davis wrote:

> I am not sure you are posting this in the right forum, but here is what
> I found (i searched google.com, great search engine). Thanks for asking
> about this, as I have never known either, and it seems interesting. If
> you can make heads or tails of it, more power to you.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff Davis
>
> static char *sccsid = "@(#)crypt.c      4.3 (Berkeley) 1/25/85";
>
> /*
>  *      A one-rotor machine designed along the lines of Enigma
>  *      but considerably trivialized.
>  */
>
> #define ECHO 010
> #include
> #define ROTORSZ 256
> #define MASK 0377
> char    t1[ROTORSZ];
> char    t2[ROTORSZ];
> char    t3[ROTORSZ];
> char    deck[ROTORSZ];
> char    *getpass();
> char    buf[13];
>
> setup(pw)
> char *pw;
> {
>         int ic, i, k, temp, pf[2];
>         int pid, wpid;
>         unsigned random;
>         long seed;
>
>         strncpy(buf, pw, 8);
>         while (*pw)
>                 *pw++ = '\0';
>         buf[8] = buf[0];
>         buf[9] = buf[1];
>         pipe(pf);
>         if ((pid=fork())==0) {
>                 close(0);
>                 close(1);
>                 dup(pf[0]);
>                 dup(pf[1]);
>                 execl("/usr/lib/makekey", "-", 0);
>                 execl("/lib/makekey", "-", 0);
>                 exit(1);
>         }
>         write(pf[1], buf, 10);
>         while ((wpid = wait((int *)NULL)) != -1 && wpid != pid)
>             ;
>         if (read(pf[0], buf, 13) != 13) {
>                 fprintf(stderr, "crypt: cannot generate key\n");
>                 exit(1);
>         }
>         seed = 123;
>         for (i=0; i<13; i++)
>                 seed = seed*buf[i] + i;
>         for(i=0;i>= 8;
>                 temp = t1[k];
>                 t1[k] = t1[ic];
>                 t1[ic] = temp;
>                 if(t3[k]!=0) continue;
>                 ic = (random&MASK) % k;
>                 while(t3[ic]!=0) ic = (ic+1) % k;
>                 t3[k] = ic;
>                 t3[ic] = k;
>         }
>         for(i=0;i 1 && argv[1][0] == '-' && argv[1][1] == 's') {
>                 argc--;
>                 argv++;
>                 secureflg = 1;
>         }
>         if (argc != 2){
>                 setup(getpass("Enter key:"));
>         }
>         else
>                 setup(argv[1]);
>         n1 = 0;
>         n2 = 0;
>         nr2 = 0;
>
>         while((i=getchar()) >=0) {
>                 if (secureflg) {
>                         nr1 = deck[n1]&MASK;
>                         nr2 = deck[nr1]&MASK;
>                 } else {
>                         nr1 = n1;
>                 }
>                 i = t2[(t3[(t1[(i+nr1)&MASK]+nr2)&MASK]-nr2)&MASK]-nr1;
>                 putchar(i);
>                 n1++;
>                 if(n1==ROTORSZ) {
>                         n1 = 0;
>                         n2++;
>                         if(n2==ROTORSZ) n2 = 0;
>                         if (secureflg) {
>                                 shuffle(deck);
>                         } else {
>                                 nr2 = n2;
>                         }
>                 }
>         }
> }
>
> shuffle(deck)
>         char deck[];
> {
>         int i, ic, k, temp;
>         unsigned random;
>         static long seed = 123;
>
>         for(i=0;i< ROTORSZ;i++) {
>                 seed = 5*seed + buf[i%13];
>                 random = seed % 65521;
>                 k = ROTORSZ-1 - i;
>                 ic = (random&MASK)%(k+1);
>                 temp = deck[k];
>                 deck[k] = deck[ic];
>                 deck[ic] = temp;
>         }
> }
>
> jose luis fernandez diaz wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Where can I get the code of de UNIX command crypt ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Jose Luis.

This code have some compilation errors.  Some characters are lacking. Can
you send me the correct code ?

Thanks,
Jose Luis.



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: kernel compiles root device as (3,65); boots for (3,41)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:49:28 GMT

[Note FollowUp-To: header]

xavian anderson macpherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>i didn't make up the fact about suse using a different filesystem location
>method.  

Please show me where I accused you of doing so.

>THAT WAS ACTUALLY TOLD TO ME BY A SUSE SUPPORT PERSON, AS BEING
>(WHAT I CONSIDERED AN ILLEGITMATE) 

You could read that in the SuSE manual as well. But that's not
the point here. Fact is, there is no such thing as an "accepted
industry standard" as far as file system locations are concerned.
There _is_, however, the FSSTND - which SuSE actually does better
conform with than RedHat does.

>reason for not allowing you to use yast
>for installing rpm's from other ftp sites.  

This is pointless. YAST is a SuSE-specific tool for use with
their distribution. Whether or not you may be able to use it
with RPMs from different sources does depend from the RPM
you're trying to install. And even if it doesn't work, you
could still be using "rpm" to install it. Duh.

>the fact is, that it shouldn't
>make any difference if your using the same filesystem.  so if you don't
>like my remarks, speak to suse.

Your remarks don't make much sense. Speaking to SuSE about a problem
that is simply a lack of common sense on your part won't help much.

>the fact is that they use different case/spellings for packages that
>everyone else seems to have agreed on.  

Nobody agreed on anything. If the name of a package is the same in
2 or more distributions, this is just by chance. There is absolutely
no guarantee that a package is supposed to contain the exact same
contents in different distributions - nor being named the same.

[...]

>(if suse's packaging were no different than anyone else's, you would see
>their recent packages posted right along with everyone else's.  they're
>not.  only the old ones!  i often find redhat, linux-mandrake and kondura's
>all on the same page.)

? 
Sorry, I can't parse this.

>this results in software not being easily or properly upgraded when you
>want to change from an i386 to i586 package.  

Rubbish. You deinstall the old one, and install the new one. I've
been upgrading Linux systems for years now; and the worst error I
ever encountered was that sometimes not all the packages were
installed correctly due to library problems. But the missing packages
were easily to be added after checking the resulting logfiles.

>there is absolutely no
>justification for this.  if the packages produced by suse were not
>proprietary, why else would they make it so difficult to change their
>system.  

They don't. I've been using SuSE since 4.1, continually upgrading
about once a year. No problem.

[...]

>i installed some packages last wednesday.  i noticed some buggy results. 

Possible. Depends from what you installed - and what you missed.

>so i turned off my computer and went to bed.  

Smart.

[...]

>fortunately i had contacted a
>packager for linux-mandrake the day before, and we traded phone numbers. 
>if i had not have done this, i would have never figured out how to fix what
>had happened, because i couldn't get my ethernet card to be registered by
>the system.  this meant that i couldn't get any help from the internet. 
>this guy spent 4 hours and 47 minutes on the phone with me on friday
>night.  

You could have rebuilt the whole system (not that this would have
been needed) within one hour. 

>we finanly got most the system back to where i could work with it. 
>but many of the things that he thought should be there, weren't.  they were
>either in different locations, or didn't exist at all.  so what were you
>saying about my angst with suse?

Nothing. You can't expect to have a RedHat packager knowing the
FSSTND - which they don't follow. This is like asking a Chrysler 
technician for to repair your Dodge. He will be able to find the 
engine and the tires, but not more.

>i recently reinstalled the suse base.rpm, which is the equivalent to the
>standard basesystem.rpm.  

You should never have to do this, unless you manually messed
up the base system by installing different versions of the same
programs and/or libraries. If you did, then you're on your own.
YAST (or Debian's packet manager or...) can only deal with the
set of preconfigured packages that the distributor had placed
together and compiled with the appropriate libraries. If you
start fiddling around with RPMs or packages from
third party sources, then you do have to take the appropriate steps
to make them conforming to your system's layout - which includes
fixing the paths and compiling against the available library
version (in case of program sources).

>in the process of reinstalling this base.rpm,
>yast removed the package grep which i had installed to satisfy the
>dependecies of some other non-suse packages.  

[...]

You actually messed up the dependencies. What did you expect?
 
Michael

P.S.: This does have nothing to do with colds - please 
respect the FollowUp-To: header.
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          Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:27:28 +0200
From: Tomasz Grazka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: some voice through modem

Hello,
            I want to playback some wav files to telephone line through
voice capable modem (in my case this is sandard PCcard modem in my
laptop).
Has anyone tested this combination?



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From: "Jason Ng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux Mail Server
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:30:44 +0800

Hi,

What's the best mail server for Linux? I would like to support a large
population... above 500, 000. Any comments?

Regards,
Jason





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Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Firewall for Linux
From: Simon Brooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:31:52 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Haynes) writes:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donald K Knepshield) writes:
> 
> []
> > PMFirewall is another one that works well.  www.pmfirewall.com/PMFirewall 
> > interested.
> 
> I once saw the results of running it. I wasn't all that impressed[i].
> 
> What's wrong with ipchains either in a script of your own design - you
> know, you, keyboard, vim or (X)emacs, DIY - or something concocted in
> e.g. gfcc?

If it's useful, my firewall script is here:
<URL:http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/bookshelf/papers/instant-firewall/instant-firewall.html>

It's quite simple, but it's mentioned in despatches^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
the firewall FAQ, so it can't be all bad.

-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

        ;; Woz: 'All the best people in life seem to like LINUX.'
        ;; <URL:http://www.woz.org/woz/cresponses/response03.html>

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From: Richard Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Mail Server
Date: 28 Aug 2000 12:39:40 +0100

"Jason Ng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What's the best mail server for Linux? I would like to support a large
> population... above 500, 000. Any comments?

Considering the amount of cross-posting you're guaranteed a war
here. It's all a matter of opinion. If you fancy a change in lifestyle
try sendmail. If you want it quick and easy try exim or one of the
others (qmail, postfix, smail).

If you want a lot of reading do a search on deja and see what's
already been written a thousand times.

-- 
         Richard Watson |  Pentagon Web Design Ltd  | Reading, UK 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] |  Fax: +44(0)870 706 5282  | ICQ: 65274884
http://www.pwdltd.co.uk |  Reg. Linux User #183315  | GPG/PGP 0xA6AB8345

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Mail Server
Date: 28 Aug 2000 11:42:21 +0100

In article <8odeu9$k8d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jason Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>What's the best mail server for Linux? I would like to support a large
>population... above 500, 000. Any comments?

You are looking at clusters and server farms and the like.  Take a look
at the Oxford University mail server project -

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~mbeattie/wing

HTH
John
-- 
John Winters.  Wallingford, Oxon, England.

The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux CDs in the UK
See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Haynes)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Firewall for Linux
Date: 28 Aug 2000 12:05:04 +0100

Simon Brooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[]
> > What's wrong with ipchains either in a script of your own design - you
> > know, you, keyboard, vim or (X)emacs, DIY - or something concocted in
> > e.g. gfcc?
> 
> If it's useful, my firewall script is here:
> 
><URL:http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/bookshelf/papers/instant-firewall/instant-firewall.html>

It's interesting - a good example of generalisation although I'd have to
think a little about non-3-way firewalling with it.

Two things: I use input policy = DENY, it seems to ACCEPT it. With DENY,
you have to know about everything you want to accept, with ACCEPT you have
the advantage that you can do ipchains -F remotely and not block yourself
out by accident (hic!); we make of these what we may, anyway.

The other thing that struck me on a quick scan-through was this comment:

  | # Spoof protection: if a packet arrives at one interface claiming to
  | # come from another network, it's lying. Stop it, and log the attempt.

I didn't see any special treatment of `hostname`-on-loopback cases here -
see the vague discussion with John a month or so back. OTOH I didn't look
particularly carefully, and it might not claim to deal with that case
anyway. 

I'll give it a blast for one or two networks and check the results in a bit
:8]

~Tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: W2K and Linux
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:19:26 GMT

In article <8ocate$hab$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <8o9j4d$l8c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > So you mean that you were ignorant until a few months ago ?
> >
> Ignorance is not knowing what you don't know(shades of Socrates).
> I am ignorant on many subjects. I now know, however, that Linux is
> easier, more dependable, more educational, and funner to use than nt
> for building and deploying Oracle web based applications. I get
smarter
> as I use Linux, when I use nt I get more idiosyncratic.

I agree that Linux is a very educational OS and I'm definatly a
supporter of it.
I also get your point about Microsoft that they (maybe unintentional)
want people to learn as little as possible about computers.
Though it can be intentional to hook the consumers with their OS.

Though I wouldn't call windows users ignorant, what if the tools that
you have is enough, why go to Linux and buy the software again ?
Of course if you see that you benefit from switching e.g. better uptime
etc, then by all means try it.
For a "normal" user that might not be that interesting.

/Fredrik


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From: Gabriel Gagnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,alt.os.linux
Subject: 2 "new" cdroms under Win98
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:41:25 -0400

Hi,

I just buy a new system..  And I install Linux on it
(distribution Gentus (RedHat 6.2)).

My system:

CPU: AMD 800MHz
Motherboard: ABIT KA7-100
RAM:  128M
HD:  Matrox 20G, ATA-100
     Partitions (created with Partition Magic 4):
          7G:  Fat32 with Win98 Second Edition       Primary

Extended
          2G:  Fat32
Logical
          9G:  Linux ext2  mount as "/"                          Logical

          2G:  Linux ext2  mount as "/home"                  Logical
          257M:  Linux Swap
Logical
Graphic Card:  Matrox G400 Max
CDRW:  Plextor 12x/10x/32x
DVD:  PC-DVD Encore 12x with Dxr3 (Creative Labs)

My problem:

Under Win98, in Explorer Windows, I have two more visible CDROMs, that I
should not see.

Before the installation:

Visible under Win98:

C:\   -> Win98 7G
D:\   -> Fat32 2G
E:\   -> Fat32 will be "/" under Linux 9G
F:\   -> Fat32 will be "/home" under Linux 2G
G:\   -> Fat32 will be "swap" under Linux 257M
H:\   -> CDRW Plextor 12x/10x/32x
I:\   -> DVD


After the installation:

Visible under Win98:

C:\   -> Win98 7G
D:\   -> Fat32 2G
E:\   -> New CDROM
F:\   -> New CDROM
H:\   -> CDRW Plextor 12x/10x/32x
I:\   -> DVD

This problem makes my system very unstable when I try to get access to
my real CDROM (CDRW;DVD) and this is not interesting to see.

On my old system, I had this problem and I solve it by putting my swap
partition the last one of my disk.  This seems to do not work on this
system.

So if you have a idea how to solve my problem without playing at erasing
and installing Linux/Win98 multiple times (by tries and errors).

I know that this question should have been already asked somewhere...
but I did not find any traces of it.

Thank you very much ! Have a nice day !

Gabriel Gagnon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pro*C
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:49:38 GMT

cpp is the C++ compiler, Pro*C is a precompiler that does embedded sql
code for c and cpp

Thanks,
Carson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > HI
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there is a Pro*C or
> > equivalent pre-compiler available for Linux.
> >
> > Thanks, in advance,
> >
> > Carson
>
> I think you might get better results in a development newsgroup of
> some sort but have you looked at cpp? I have no idea whether or
> not it is in any way comparable to Pro*C.
>

--
Carson R. Wilcox
Senior Architect
DMR Consulting Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phillip Deackes)
Subject: Re: Distro change: To debian or SuSE ??
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:37:12 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kyle Parfrey wrote:
>
>First of all I don't want to know what the "best" distribution is, so don't start on 
>that :)!
>I am currently using Caldera 2.4, but am considering changing distro
>due to some problems. I am by no means an experienced linux user, having
>only about 3 weeks use time but am thinking of trying debian , partly because
>I hear it has a program that eradicates the annoying dependancy problems
>with rpms.

Other contributors to this thread have answered most of your questions.
Apt-get is absolutely superb and makes installing software or upgrading
very easy indeed.

I would recommend Storm Linux (www.stormix.com). Storm Linux is Debian
with enhancements like a GUI to apt-get and an excellent system
administration tool. It installs very nicely - far easier than Debian. 
What you end up with *is* Debian - you lose absolutley nothing of a
traditional Debian install. If you get the most recent version of Storm
Linux you will have the equivalent of Debian Potato, the just-released
version. I installed the first version of Storm and have since upgraded
it to Woody which is the next-to-be-released version of Debian.

You can get a 'free' CD version of Storm which contains all the Storm
enhancements. Have a look at www.linuxemporium.co.uk - but I doubt
whether the very latest version of Storm (aka Hail) is available yet in
this form. It can be downloaded from the Storm ftp site though, and
there is a UK mirror (not sure about Ireland).

Hope this hasn't confused you too much!

-- 
Phillip Deackes
Using Storm Linux 2000

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From: Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: marking 'bad' sectors?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:06:23 -0400

Quentin Christensen wrote (in part):

> In comp.os.linux.misc, on 23 Aug 2000, Peter T. Breuer announced:
>
> >M. Buchenrieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >: [...]
> >
> >:>Not... quite...
> >:>You can remount a partition read-only and THEN perform fsck -c -y.
> >:>(-y speeds things up when it gets to filesystem cleanup)
> >
> >: Not if it's the root partition - which may or may not be the case.
> >
> >You can do that as well. mount -rno remount /;
> >
> >Peter
>
> Hello again, I tried to post here a couple of days ago, but my ISP's server was
> down... Anyway:
>
> I tried this and I get:
>
> / is busy
>
> messages (something similar anyway).  I have had a look at what is going on,
> and the only thing running is the login shell...

Incredible. There should be a lot more things running, such as:

UID        PID  PPID  C STIME TTY          TIME CMD
root         1     0  0 Aug08 ?        00:11:30 init [5]
root         2     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:00:03 [kflushd]
root         3     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:10:28 [kupdate]
root         4     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:00:00 [kpiod]
root         5     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:03:06 [kswapd]
bin        261     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:00:00 portmap
root       308     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:02:18 syslogd -m 0
root       319     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:00:00 klogd
daemon     333     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:00:01 /usr/sbin/atd
root       347     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:01:11 crond
root       361     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:00:00 inetd
root       375     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:00:10 named
root       389     1  0 Aug08 ?        00:00:00 lpd

Did you just assume we knew that, or did you not run a sufficiently broad ps? I
ran ps -fA to get the above (and deleted most of the output. These were just the
top few.

If you really got all the processes, you might have found some things in the /
partition.

I often get a partition busy message when I try to umount /dev/cdrom. What I do is
mount the cd-rom, change into /mnt/cdrom, and do stuff. Perhaps I then do su root
and cd somewhere else. Then I try to unmount the cdrom and it complains it is
busy. I do a pwd or something and it says I am not in /mnt/cdrom, so I am
mystified. Actually, my original shell is still running in there. I have to
remember to close it or do a cd somewhereelse in that shell.

--
  .~.   Jean-David Beyer           Registered Linux User 85642.
  /V\   Shrewsbury, New Jersey     Registered Machine    73926.
 /( )\
 ^^-^^  7:20am up 19 days, 14:50, 3 users, load average: 1.69, 1.41, 1.30




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