Linux-Misc Digest #702, Volume #25 Fri, 8 Sep 00 15:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: buffer_dirty - what's the @#$%? (Rick Ellis)
Re: buffer_dirty - what's the @#$%? (Rick Ellis)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Apache/ipchains problem... ("Joshua D Rusch")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (The Darkener)
Re: Lilo removal from mbr (John Hasler)
Re: Adding RAM to RedHat Linux (The Drag)
setlocale, where is it? (Agron)
Re: getting disconnected ("David ..")
Gnome Xterm not reading .profile
drivers for HP712C ("[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
Re: synaptics touchpad (Christopher Michael Collins ())
Re: buffer_dirty - what's the @#$%? (Ken Walter)
Re: Help Needed Configuring Remote Printer on SUSE 6.4 ("Dave Stanton")
Re: Gnome Xterm not reading .profile (Naren Devaiah)
Re: Clicking Two buttons on Logitech Locks up X (RH6.2 Enlightenment) (Mark Goldberg)
Re: ASCII File transfer over Ethernet to Mulitport Serial on Linux box? (Frank da
Cruz)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Re: How do you change the timezone on Linux? ("Dave T")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Ingemar Lundin")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:08:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ingemar Lundin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>0.0001% and No!
>
>/IL
Well, I think that does it for my stupidity quotient for
the week.
It's true, USENET really is useless.
>
>"Lina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:OE5u5.20452$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Hi,
>> I'm a Linux newbie. What is the percentage of computers and servers
>running
>> Linux now. Will an end-user alternative similar to Linux appear anytime
>> soon?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lina
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:14:53 GMT
>Anybody's guess. My guess is that two to five million machines have linux
>installed against an estimated 100 million for windows - another guess
>really - but a much lesser number is used as the main working machine. It
is
>said that majority of web-servers are running on Linux though M$ would
certainly
>dispute that.
try 500 milj Windows and 2.5 milj Linux
and a majority (altough not much more than 50%) is running *Apache*, thats
not the same as running Linux!
/IL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Ellis)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: buffer_dirty - what's the @#$%?
Date: 8 Sep 2000 18:12:47 GMT
In article <8pa5j5$mr5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Robert Kaiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> mount /mnt/fd; cp /mnt/fd/* /prj; umount /mnt/fd
>Even if you only read from floppy, depending on the filesystem type,
>the system may be trying to update access time entries.
>
>Try mounting the floppy read-only.
It shouldn't matter since the umount will flush the buffers.
--
http://www.fnet.net/~ellis/photo/linux.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Ellis)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: buffer_dirty - what's the @#$%?
Date: 8 Sep 2000 18:14:49 GMT
In article <39b8e7f0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 1. insert floppy
>> 2. mount floppy
>> 3. copy from floppy
>> 4. umount floppy
>> 5. remove floppy
>Linux caches its writes. The copy from floppy may not be complete unless
>you wait after step 3. Also, the programme may try to write to the floppy
>to update the time stamp (indicating the last time the file on the floppy
>was accessed) (if you interrupt it while it is writing to the fat
>sector(s) on the floppy, it will probably not just be a bad time stamp)
>and if you interrupt while it is writing to the floppy the record on the
>floppy may be faulty.
>
>After step 3 you can wait.
>After step 3 you can force a buffer write using "sync"
>
>Mounting the floppy as read only (which was another suggestion) should
>prevent the system from trying to update the floppy record (if you are
>copying from the floppy instead of to it and as long as the file is
>completely read into memory it can later write to the hard disk).
>
>On a system which caches writes you cannot just give a write command and
>remove the media (and copying from a read/write floppy may involve a write
>command to update the last access time). You have to ensure that the
>command is finished.
>
>A dirty buffer message indicates an incomplete result.
But there's no reason for a buffer to be dirty after umount returns.
--
http://www.fnet.net/~ellis/photo/linux.html
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:31:20 +0100
>Linux is currently the only end-user system alternative to windows on a PC
>(IBM compatible in older terminology). Of course you also have Mac-OS.
That is if you chose to ignore OS/2, BSD and BEOS.
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From: "Joshua D Rusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache/ipchains problem...
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:18:16 -0400
Thanks a lot!!!
I've never read about that one, and setting the port directive in my virtual
hosts container did the trick.
Strange I had a global port directive outside of the virtual containers, but
putting it in each one is fine by me if it works.
Thanks again,
Josh
"David Efflandt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:52:35 -0400, Joshua D Rusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >We are using ipchains to forward public.ip:80 requests to private.ip:9000
> >requests. This works most of the time, but on some occasions, the apache
> >running on private.ip:9000 sends a hardcoded "301 the object has moved"
to
> >public.ip:9000 (where there is no server listening). It seems to be an
> >apache problem, but we're not sure.
> >Anyone have any ideas, or a better place to look for help.
>
> Lookup the UseCanonicalName directive.
>
> --
> David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
> http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
> http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/ http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:19:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Lina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:16:30 GMT
<OE5u5.20452$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Hi,
>I'm a Linux newbie. What is the percentage of computers and servers running
>Linux now. Will an end-user alternative similar to Linux appear anytime
>soon?
Estimates vary. One problem with Linux is that it's free; therefore
it's difficult to track exactly how many systems are installed with it,
being currently used, or gathering dust because the user put it on
and hasn't taken it off, but is using something else such as Win2k
or FreeBSD.
The number of servers probably is larger than the number of desktops;
Apache (htp://www.apache.org) runs on an awful lot of hardware and is
the dominant Web server; some of those Apache servers may be sitting
on a Linux foundation.
As for an "end-user alternative", there already are two:
Windows 2000 and Windows Me. (Not that they're *great* alternatives,
but they're slick, commercially supported, and well-known.
In the computer software market, marketing may win out over
technical excellence -- check out the demise of Commodore Amiga,
for example; it still can do things other computers cannot, but
has long since been passed by in the mind of the general public.
I've seen more commercials for Commodore 64 than the Amiga!)
Other alternatives may include FreeBSD, with which I'm not familiar
apart from it being open-source and a derivative from Berkeley,
and BeOS, an attempt by Be corporation (?) to carve a niche with
a product that, as I understand it, provides an excellent multimedia
foundation, but is closed-source and proprietary. (This may change.)
The last time I saw a copy of BeOS, it included a development
environment, which will help to woo developers, but it's even
farther behind the curve than Linux is, adoption-wise.
I happen to like RedHat as a Linux distribution (others include
Mandrake, Slackware, Debian, and SuSE), and find it quite
easy to install and usable; of course, I've been working with
Linux -- and Unix, before it -- for a long time, so I've already
climbed the learning curve, one might say. But it's not difficult,
if one reads the instructions carefully (one fault I do have is
that the instructions tend to get stale after a bit because the
software has been improved but the documentation was left behind).
But none of the major distributions (which include the four above)
should give a person with technical competence real trouble; the
main problems will be hardware-related, since Linux occasionally
appears "chip-based" rather than "brand-based" -- a fair number of
cards use the same chip -- which doesn't help the rank newbie who
only knows what's written on the box in which the card came
(assuming he has said box).
Still, I think the manufacturers are cooperating nicely with Linux.
It's still second-tier (first-tier goes towards the more
numerous alternative, Windows :-/ ), but definitely not ignored, IMO.
In any event, good luck and welcome to the newsgroups. :-)
>
>Thanks,
>Lina
>
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From: The Darkener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:21:19 GMT
Not true. There's OS/2, BeOS, DOS, and others I'm sure I'm just forgetting right
now...
jabali wrote:
<Snippity-snip>
> Linux is currently the only end-user system alternative to windows on a PC
> (IBM compatible in older terminology). Of course you also have Mac-OS.
>
> --
>
> jabali
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- The Darkener
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Lilo removal from mbr
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:27:26 GMT
Wayne Pollock writes:
> How come in all the years this FAQ have been coming up, nobody has
> written a Linux utility that would do the same thing as a DOS boot floppy
> with DOS fdisk.exe/MBR?
Because lilo does something much better: it saves a copy of the MBR the
first time you run it and restores it when you run 'lilo -u'.
> Is there some propriety/secret software involved, or what?
The MBR installed by 'fdisk /mbr' is, of course, proprietary software owned
by Microsoft.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Drag)
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.linux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,hk.comp.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Adding RAM to RedHat Linux
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:22:00 GMT
This is a FAQ and is well documented in the install FAQs.
http://www.redhat.com/support
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:31:00 +0800, "miko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I have used 128MB x 2 (total 256MB) in the RH6.1 (Kernel 2.2.12-20)
>however I found only 128MB show on 'dmesg'.
>
>I have already changed the file 'lilo.conf'.
>the context is as follows:
>boot=/dev/sda
>map=/boot/map
>install=/boot/boot.b
>prompt
>timeout=50
>default=linux
>
>image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.12-20
> label=linux
> initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.12-20.img
> read-only
> root=/dev/sda12
> append="mem=256M"
>
>what should I do ?
>
>Michael Kwan
>
>
>
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From: Agron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: setlocale, where is it?
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:24:59 -0400
Hi folks,
I am looking for the setlocale linux command, I cant find it.
Every time I enter it bash reports not found.
Man pages show me another setlocale() which seems to be a function for
some programming language.
Please tell where can I find this command.
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: getting disconnected
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:23:29 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am getting very frustrated with my computer. It is a COMPAQ that I
> purchased in January of this year. It has worked beautifully and still
> does except for one problem. I can get on-line and stay on all day long
> and not get booted off once. As soon as 6pm comes I can't stay connected.
> It boots me off continuously. I counted the other night, 22 times in 18
> mins. I'm trying to chat and it boots me off. I have called my internet
> server and they told me my modem is going bad. If thats the case, why
> doesn't it do it during the day? It only does it at night. I have gotten
> up at 2am to try it and it does it then also.It is then o.k. again after
> 6am. Do you have any ideas or suggestions to help me?
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
Do you have any cron jobs that run at 6:00 (am/pm) that (starts/stops) a
process that could be causing problems?
--
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gnome Xterm not reading .profile
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:36:01 GMT
I have a great .profile in my home directory, however Gnome xterm (or any
xterm) won't read and implemet it. But when I . ./.profile, su to myself or
telnet in, it gets read and implented. Please Help
Mitch.
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: drivers for HP712C
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:06:31 -0400
Does any body out there has drivers for hp712c for linux?
Thanks in advance.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Michael Collins ())
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: synaptics touchpad
Date: 7 Sep 2000 20:53:56 GMT
>>pc_keyb.c??
>The Compaq and others Synaptics Touchpad
>jumpy(horrible) mouse problem is not solved
>in the 2.2.16 kernel.
> The kernel people know of
>the problem and have for quite a while.
>A fix has not happened yet.
The kernel notes page has been sketchy...
Is their kernel level work actively addressing
this? Is pc_keyb.c being fixed?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Walter)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: buffer_dirty - what's the @#$%?
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:45:01 GMT
On Sun, 9 Sep 2000 01:48:07, PoD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
#[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#>
#> In comp.os.linux.misc Ian Dichkovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
#> > 1. insert floppy
#> > 2. mount floppy
#> > 3. copy from floppy
#> > 4. umount floppy
#> > 5. remove floppy
#>
#> Linux caches its writes. The copy from floppy may not be complete unless
#> you wait after step 3. Also, the programme may try to write to the floppy
#> to update the time stamp (indicating the last time the file on the floppy
#> was accessed) (if you interrupt it while it is writing to the fat
#> sector(s) on the floppy, it will probably not just be a bad time stamp)
#> and if you interrupt while it is writing to the floppy the record on the
#> floppy may be faulty.
#>
#> After step 3 you can wait.
#> After step 3 you can force a buffer write using "sync"
#>
#> Mounting the floppy as read only (which was another suggestion) should
#> prevent the system from trying to update the floppy record (if you are
#> copying from the floppy instead of to it and as long as the file is
#> completely read into memory it can later write to the hard disk).
#>
#> On a system which caches writes you cannot just give a write command and
#> remove the media (and copying from a read/write floppy may involve a write
#> command to update the last access time). You have to ensure that the
#> command is finished.
#>
#> A dirty buffer message indicates an incomplete result.
#
#Shouldn't umount automatically sync before it exits?
In a properly designed file system, caches should be written out
to removable media as quickly as possible. If the user manages
to remove the media before everything is written, the system should
request the media be reinserted and then finish.
Otherwise the removal should be an automatic dismount.
Anything else is user unfriendly.
Ken Walter
Remove -zamboni to reply
All the above is hearsay and the opinion of no one in particular
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From: "Dave Stanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help Needed Configuring Remote Printer on SUSE 6.4
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:49:23 +0100
"Tom Millington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8pa42n$aqn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am a newbie trying to put Linux on another server, namely an old P133
> (Altos) that has 3 x 4.5Gb SCSI hard drives and a SCSI CDROM. The machine
is
> currently loaded with an old copy of SCO UNIX. I have tried to use the
Linux
> boot floppy but neither the hard drives nor the CD are seen - in other
words
> it says I have no hard drives or CD player.
>
> Where do I go from here? Help! I am a newbie so simple steps please.
>
> Many thanks
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which boot floppy are you using ?. I know for a fact that most modern
distros ask if you have scsi devices very early on.
Dave
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From: Naren Devaiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnome Xterm not reading .profile
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:41:26 -0700
Reply-To: naren_at_cs.pdx.edu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I have a great .profile in my home directory, however Gnome xterm (or any
> xterm) won't read and implemet it. But when I . ./.profile, su to myself or
> telnet in, it gets read and implented. Please Help
>
> Mitch.
modify the xterm launch command to include the -ls option. This tells
xterm to behave like a login shell (which then reads the .profile)
-Naren
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From: Mark Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Clicking Two buttons on Logitech Locks up X (RH6.2 Enlightenment)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:53:23 -0700
Paul Lew wrote:
>
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I installed RH 6.2 over 6.0 and upgraded the kernel to 2.4.0-test7,
> >still using the default
> >Enlightenment WM. I've got a Logitech mouseman on a PS/2 port. If I
> >click both the left and
> >right buttons at the same time, X locks up and will not respond to mouse
> >clicks. I have to
<snip>
> Try inserting "Emulate3Button" to above.
Thanks. Worked fine. I never considered using this option since I have
three real buttons.
With this option, the middle button still works fine, so there is no
loss. Thanks again!
Mark Goldberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: ASCII File transfer over Ethernet to Mulitport Serial on Linux box?
Date: 8 Sep 2000 18:53:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Doe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Surely someone has tackled this type of task before but I'm unable to
: find any docs to get me going.
:
: I work in a machine shop and the machinery uses ASCII files to control
: the machine movements. Currently we have the switch box setup to
: select which Win98 computer sends/recieves to which machine. We'd like
: to switch to multiport serial devices on a Linux server (where the
: files will be stored for re-use) to eliminate the problems we are
: having with the boxes (not a pleasant enviroment).
:
You can use C-Kermit; one copy per serial port:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
It's serial communications (and Telnet, etc) software with scripting,
designed for exactly this sort of application. The TRANSMIT command would
be used to send the ASCII files to the machines, taking advantage of any
available feedbacks (flow control, handshakes, etc) to avoid buffer overruns
and other errors.
- Frank
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:54:05 GMT
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:28:44 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Tristan Wibberley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:G99u5.6898$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>
>> This has been done for power users (see Debian), but not yet (or
>> not adequately) for end-users.
>
>"power users" ARE end-users.
>
>I think that "neophytes" is a better term for you misuse of the term
>"end-user".
There are also many end users that have no interest in ever
being "power users". I really don't think that PC's of any
kind suit them actually. However, they remain a large part
of the market that thinks they "must be DOS compatible".
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:55:32 GMT
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:31:20 +0100, Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>Linux is currently the only end-user system alternative to windows on a PC
>>(IBM compatible in older terminology). Of course you also have Mac-OS.
>
>That is if you chose to ignore OS/2, BSD and BEOS.
...easy to do, considering their retail presence.
Even MacOS suffers from this problem, but to a less
extent than any of the Alt-OSen.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: "Dave T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do you change the timezone on Linux?
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:01:13 +0100
But it is broke.
All local emails are delivered 1 hour later.
The cron process for example runs a process at 12:00pm, however the email
states that it was sent at 1.00pm (1 hour later than it was actually sent)
I've been racking my brains as to why it is doing this as the system clock
is at the right time.
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"Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:29:48 +0100, Dave T wrote:
> >I have a problem with the time and emails on my Linux server.
> >
> >The time and date seem to be OK and the timezone is set to GMT.
> >
> >However emails are being delivered with the current time +1hr. I thought
it
> >might be something to do with British Summer Time. In the email headers
it
> >has the correct time and date but has also +0100 e.g
>
> BST is GMT +01 hours and 00 minutes, if it's not broken then don't try to
fix
> it. You look at the email from someone sending from a yahoo address, then
it
> gets confusing, this guy lives 5 minutes down the road from me, his clock
is
> set correctly but look what the header says:
>
> At the top of the header:
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug 29 23:00:53 2000
>
> Then a bit fruther down:
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:28:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Are you on line at the moment?
> To: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I wanted to know if he was on line, and only received a reply the
following
> evening, their mail server is in the states somewhere looking at the
header
> just confused me.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> %HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
>
> web http://www.zeropps.uklinux.net/
>
> or http://start.at/zero-pps
>
> 1:46am up 17 days, 5:59, 3 users, load average: 1.52, 1.62, 1.35
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:03:09 GMT
Havent whe met before Nathaniel?
/IL
"Nathaniel Jay Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ingemar Lundin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
> >0.0001% and No!
> >
> >/IL
>
> Well, I think that does it for my stupidity quotient for
> the week.
>
> It's true, USENET really is useless.
>
> >
> >"Lina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> >news:OE5u5.20452$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Hi,
> >> I'm a Linux newbie. What is the percentage of computers and servers
> >running
> >> Linux now. Will an end-user alternative similar to Linux appear anytime
> >> soon?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Lina
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Nathaniel Jay Lee
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