Linux-Misc Digest #773, Volume #25 Fri, 15 Sep 00 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Clock running very slow ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Help Question? (The Darkener)
Re: which editor should I learn VI or EMACS (The Darkener)
Re: Where to find Tea brewing alarm. (The Darkener)
URGENT - In deep trouble - deleted groups. (Madhusudan Singh)
Re: Firewall (Robert Clayton)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Dave Martel)
How to modify the value of SHMMAX? ("David")
How to modify the value of SHMMAX of Linux Kernel 2.2.14 ? ("David")
Re: Tool to track projects/tesks?? (Steve)
Anyone seen a 'Tux' clothing patch? (The Darkener)
"mount -f smbfs //etc" - where to put so it mounts automagically? (Bruce LaZerte)
Re: URGENT - In deep trouble - deleted groups. (Andreas Schweitzer)
Re: As of right now I dedicate my life to linux ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: you can turn the power off now (Patton Echols)
Re: How to modify the value of SHMMAX? (Graham Brereton)
Re: Where to find Tea brewing alarm. (Neil Cherry)
Re: Packet Loss (Jayasuthan)
ctrl-c [intrupt boot script] (Jayasuthan)
Re: rh62 and openssh (Joshua Baker-LePain)
Re: file permissions. (Jayasuthan)
Re: gnome or kde? (Patton Echols)
Re: "mount -f smbfs //etc" - where to put so it mounts automagically? ("Dirk Kunze")
Re: X-windows newbie question (Patton Echols)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Clock running very slow
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:57:50 GMT
Hi,
I have linux mandrake 7 on an iwill k6 300MHz motherboard that is
suddenly running very slow. Even if I do a sleep 1 at the prompt line
it takes about 3 seconds instead of 1 second.
This happened before much worse. It was running so slow that I had to
reboot and the problem went away, but now it is back.
does anyone have any idea what could cause this or should I buy a new
computer?
thanks in advanced,
Paul_L
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: The Darkener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help Question?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:13:23 GMT
1) CPM: the most graphically mature OS on the market today.
2) MacOS: tailored for the commandline hackers of today and tomorrow.
Summerlill wrote:
> Please list two operating systems and their strong points !!!!
--
- The Darkener
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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From: The Darkener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which editor should I learn VI or EMACS
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:15:23 GMT
I like 'joe' myself. =)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> which editor should I learn VI or EMACS
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
- The Darkener
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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From: The Darkener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where to find Tea brewing alarm.
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:21:11 GMT
My god. I thought he was actually talking about hooking a teapot up to
your computer and using some sort of serial in/output to communicate
with it when the alarm was set off.
Time to go home. Go home and sleep.
Thaddeus L Olczyk wrote:
> When I installed Mandrake 7.0 there was a little alarm program which
> would brew a cup of tea. When I decided to upgrade I decided that I
> made a mess of the installation so I installed Mandrake 7.1 from
> scratch. The app did not get installed.
> Can anyone tell me which rpm it was in?
> TIA
--
- The Darkener
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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From: Madhusudan Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: URGENT - In deep trouble - deleted groups.
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:38:17 -0400
Hello all,
I was trying to change the UID of a user on a Red Hat 6.2 system
using the KDE User manager, when I deleted the groups accidently. Now the
system is unable to boot up. I have not so far tried to login as linux
single. But if that is possible, can I do something to undo the damage ?
Recreate all the groups. As of now, many daemons do not start up - identd
and httpd being some of them. And the run level 5 does not work.
One related question. I had earlier changed the UID of some user
to a six digit number (primarily to permit NFS access) and the user
account created did not show up on the linuxconf panel. A listing of /home
indicated a user "54053" instead. Does it mean that Linux cannot handle
high UID's ?
Thanks in advance (at my wits end !!),
Madhusudan Singh.
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From: Robert Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Firewall
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:13:34 -0400
Many linux (RH, Mandrake) still use "1".
I haven't used SuSE, but I know that on my machine runlevel 2 has no network.
Like you said, this would be easy to change for an administrator, but that's not
what we're dealing with here.
Perhaps knowing what distro was being used would help. I just am more concerned
about the box defaulting to runlevel two, my distros have only given options for
three and five. What do you think about the error message? Am I diagnosing
that correctly?
RCC
Chris J/#6 wrote:
> Robert Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Is runlevel two a non-networking level?
> >
> >RCC
> >
>
> Depends :) On SuSE it isn't - it does network in level 2. I can't speak for
> others. Traditionally, level 2 was never networking...in the days of yore
> on UNIX boxen, the runlevels were:
> 0. Bring machine to a halt (as it still is)
> 1. Single user mode (though linux uses 'S' for that really)
> 2. Multi-user, no networking (unlike SuSE)
> 3. Multi-user, networking
> 4. Wasn't really used
> 5. Wasn't really used, but got taken as the XDM run-level until
> vendors decided to start XDM/CDE at run-level 3 if there
> was a graphics-capable console connected
> 6. Reboot (which it still is)
>
> but these can change (all it takes is a hacking of the rc<x>.d directories)
> as a vendor or adminsitrator sees fit... :)
>
> Chris...
>
> --
> @}-,'-------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson --'-{@
> / "(it is) crucial that we learn the difference / [EMAIL PROTECTED] \
> / between Sex and Gender. Therein lies the key / \
> / to our freedom" -- LB / www.nccnet.co.uk/~sixie \
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:45:07 -0500
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:24:20 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>DOS got started, and came to dominate the market, early on.
>Yes, *eventually* apple and others put out OS's which used GUI,
>but by then, DOS had a demanding lead, and lots of software
>available. I'm sorry that you don't seem to be able to grasp the
>difference between capturing a new and emerging market, and
>grabbing one which has already developed and is dominated by
>one company.
If DOS had gone up against Apple's OS on a machine that could run
either, the market would have utterly crushed MS. DOS only got off the
ground because MS had a **tremendous** advantage that none of its
competitors has ever had - IBM. IBM worked with Gates to produce a
machine that would run his modified CP/M operating system, funded the
design, production, and marketing of the computer and OS, and then
gave the whole hardware design away to the clonemakers, thus killing
off or at least seriously wounding proprietary competition and
channeling desktop technology into the rather-inferior 8088-based IBM
design.
Cloning well-documented hardware is different matter from cloning an
OS to which you don't have the source code. Even Gates had to borrow
from CP/M which he'd licensed, and licenses were no longer available.
As a result, Microsoft had the PC market _entirely_ to themselves for
about three years - and not a single PC made would function without
their OS. Not only did MS make money on every clone, but the
clonemakers had no choice but to go along with MS's licensing terms.
Anyone who's watched the antitrust trial knows how THAT turned out.
FWIW, I'm of the opinion that IBM's sole intention was to slow desktop
development to delay the time when desktop machines would steal their
then-burgeoning low-end office mainframe business. Nothing else
explains the many uncharacteristic moves they made with the PC -
giving an outsider a stanglehold on the OS, opening up the
architecture, and even HELPING their clone-making competitors to put
cheap competing systems into production - or IBM's patience for over a
decade with an OS (DOS) that was a corporate embarassment.
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From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to modify the value of SHMMAX?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:33:59 +0800
How to do it?
Thanks
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From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to modify the value of SHMMAX of Linux Kernel 2.2.14 ?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:47:52 +0800
I need your help very much, thanks a lot.
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From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tool to track projects/tesks??
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:03:55 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Tool to track projects/tesks??
>
> Does anyone know a free tool??
>
There is nothing for linux even remotely similar to Microsoft Project, sad
to say. There are a number of Web-based tools designed to track tasks,
particularly in a help desk environment. Go to freshmeat.net and search for
Keystone, and look around at similar apps in the same area.
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From: The Darkener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Anyone seen a 'Tux' clothing patch?
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:05:43 GMT
There's no comp.linux.clothing newsgroup, so I guess this is where it
goes. =)
I've done searches on the 2 Linux 'stuff' sites I know of (can't
remember what they are now, duh), but couldn't find anywhere a simple
Linux 'Tux' clothing patch, which I want to sew onto my hat. Has anyone
seen any of these available? I have seen the "Tux hat" on one of those
sites but I'd like to put a patch on my current hat. Any help would be
great!
--
- The Darkener
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce LaZerte)
Subject: "mount -f smbfs //etc" - where to put so it mounts automagically?
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:02:42 GMT
I can boot as root and execute in the console:
mount -f smbfs //bruce/landrive /mnt/landrive
then login as a regular user to access the LanDrive.
Works fine (with a couple of options not shown).
But where can I put that mount statement so that it executes automatically
everytime I boot?
I've tried filling in the fstab table but nothing happens. I've tried
putting the mount at the beginning or end of rc.local but always get some
sort of permission denied error.
I'm just starting out with Mandrake Linux 7.? (Helium) ...
======================
Bruce LaZerte
Muskoka,Ontario,Canada
mail at fwr dot on dot ca
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Schweitzer)
Subject: Re: URGENT - In deep trouble - deleted groups.
Date: 16 Sep 2000 00:13:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Madhusudan Singh wrote:
>Hello all,
> I was trying to change the UID of a user on a Red Hat 6.2 system
>using the KDE User manager, when I deleted the groups accidently. Now the
>system is unable to boot up. I have not so far tried to login as linux
>single. But if that is possible, can I do something to undo the damage ?
>Recreate all the groups. As of now, many daemons do not start up - identd
>and httpd being some of them. And the run level 5 does not work.
Booting :
- Try booting into single mode
- try at the lilo prompt
linux init=/bin/sh
- try booting from the rescue disk
- try booting from a live CD-ROM
- try booting from a floppy distribution like http://www.toms.net/rb/
The first two methods should give you access to the /etc
directory. The last three : you need to mount the partition
with the /etc directory.
Then you should be able to create the file /etc/group
on one RH 6.2 here it looks like :
root::0:root
bin::1:root,bin,daemon
daemon::2:root,bin,daemon
sys::3:root,bin,adm
adm::4:root,adm,daemon
tty::5:
disk::6:root
lp::7:daemon,lp
mem::8:
kmem::9:
wheel::10:root
mail::12:mail
news::13:news
uucp::14:uucp
man::15:
gopher::30:
ftp::50:
nobody::99:
users::100:games
floppy:x:19:
pppusers:x:230:
popusers:x:231:
Then the custom entries start. You may want to compare this
to your installation sources.
> One related question. I had earlier changed the UID of some user
>to a six digit number (primarily to permit NFS access) and the user
>account created did not show up on the linuxconf panel. A listing of /home
>indicated a user "54053" instead. Does it mean that Linux cannot handle
>high UID's ?
I have a 5 digit UID.
Andreas
--
Andreas Schweitzer
http://dilbert.physast.uga.edu/~andy/
This post is brought to you by VIM, slrn and FreeBSD
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: As of right now I dedicate my life to linux
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:11:45 -0500
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Jason, MISSINGJasonTERMINATOR, and UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFT...:
J> Actually, Im very comfortable with Linux and have a few MS boxes at home,
J> not to mention the NT box Im on right now from work. I suggested to remove
J> the windows machines simply because I remember when I first started. I
J> would get enormously frustrated and instead of trying to look for help or
J> press through, I just plopped down on my windows box and used it between
J> BSODs. I didn't really get to move on Linux until I had a project in mind
J> and my windows box became a victim of a bootable CD. Once the crutch was
J> gone, things clicked. I only have windows machines around now because my
J> roommate is a windows freak and insists on having them, and it's easier to
J> support my parents problems when I have a box to look at while Im on the
J> phone. For my uses, Linux and FreeBSD provide me a much easier environment
J> to develop on. Next time, try not to read so far into things, it helps you
J> look less arrogant.
And who exactly looked arrogant in this thread? Let's see, I made
an attempt at a humorous post, Andreas made a more helpful post,
Josef obviously got and probably moaned at my attempt at humor,
and you appear to be following up to nobody. So where is this
arrogance you speak of? Am I missing a peice of this thread?
anm
--
print map y="= = && $_ => <"\bJust> =>
=> <"Another> =>
=> <"Perl> =>
=> <"Hacker\n> =>
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From: Patton Echols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: you can turn the power off now
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:17:02 -0700
Dan Jacobson wrote:
<SNIP>
> Yeah but do I really want it to do that much? I've never seen windows
> actually dare to turn the power off to my computer... it just says it's
> safe to turn it off...
The box needs to be capable of software shutdown. Many are not and if
not, windoz gives the "safe . . ." message.
> Ya never know, If I had linux turn off the power, perhaps only linux could
> then turn it back on again... uh oh...
>
Knock, knock . . . can linux come out and play? . . . Please?
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From: Graham Brereton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to modify the value of SHMMAX?
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 01:19:48 +0100
David wrote:
>
> How to do it?
> Thanks
echo VAL > /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax (or something similar)
sysctl -w sys.kernel.shmmax=VAL (or something similar)
--
Don't get my sympathy hanging out the 15th floor...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cherry)
Subject: Re: Where to find Tea brewing alarm.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:24:50 GMT
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:21:11 GMT, The Darkener wrote:
>My god. I thought he was actually talking about hooking a teapot up to
>your computer and using some sort of serial in/output to communicate
>with it when the alarm was set off.
>
>Time to go home. Go home and sleep.
>
>Thaddeus L Olczyk wrote:
>
>> When I installed Mandrake 7.0 there was a little alarm program which
>> would brew a cup of tea. When I decided to upgrade I decided that I
>> made a mess of the installation so I installed Mandrake 7.1 from
>> scratch. The app did not get installed.
>> Can anyone tell me which rpm it was in?
>> TIA
Hehe. I want that app too! The reason becomes a little more obvious
when you view my sig. I fully intend to have a networked tea pot (just
10BaseT for now, using a TINI board which I have). I'm still having
trouble finding a reliable way to 1 determine that the pot is on the
burner, 2 it has filled with water, 3 no longer has water in
it. Getting the right amount of water isn't too hard. Tracking how
much is left is tougher. I guess the first version should be kept much
simpler. Hmm .....
--
Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics)
http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:29:43 +0800
From: Jayasuthan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Packet Loss
Hi,
check to make sure your software comply 2.2.* series kernel...
/usr/src/linux/Doc*/changes.txt ..
do "cat /proc/net/netstat" for error.. I face packet error not because kernel or
system configuration but process such as ftp and apache.. buffering too much.
Okey hope it give an idea
suthan
Bluezz wrote:
> Hello I have a Red Hat linux box that has been humming along nicely. All of
> a sudden
> I am getting 80% packet loss on average. I have tried changing network
> cards,
> recompiling the kernel (stripping out most uneeded drivers) and also even
> changing the actual computer (motherboard, memory, etc). The cables were
> also tested and it was concluded that they are fine. The only conculsion I
> have
> come to is that is must be some sort of OS issue. I am running only Linux
> on
> kernel 2.2.13. Could someone tell me how this could all of a sudden happen,
> but most of all how can I debug this ???
>
> Thanks in advance for your help !
>
> Regards
> T
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:36:45 +0800
From: Jayasuthan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ctrl-c [intrupt boot script]
Hi,
I wonder how to add line under boot init..to make system accept interupt
key such as ctrl-c or ctrl-d.. to drop into root shell. I know its not
secure way but my alpha unit make it secure. Please show me some sample
I am running Debian where all script located under /etc/init.d. Which i
customize some ..
thanks,
suthan
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From: Joshua Baker-LePain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: rh62 and openssh
Date: 16 Sep 2000 00:43:36 GMT
In comp.os.linux.security Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Darren Welson wrote:
>>
>> 'rpmlib (version discrepency) <= 3.0.3 - ...'
>> or something like this. I am not sure what rpmlib means, is it the
>> rpmbuild, or somthing else?
>>
You need to upgrade rpm itself. Look at the updates page at redhat.com.
> Download the tar.gz version instead. If you have your C compiler installed
> (RH does it by default), then you just become root and do
> tar -xzf filenameofpackage.tar.gz
> cd filenameofpackage
> ./configure
> make
> make install
NOTE: You only need to be root for the last step. Doing that all as root
could be very dangerous.
--
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:39:41 +0800
From: Jayasuthan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: file permissions.
Hi,
try working with crontab..
suthan
segmentationfault wrote:
> Hi and thanks for reading.
> this is my problem:
> I have 2 users,
> user1.webgroup
> user2.webgroup
> and I have a directory in /home/html webuser.webgroup
>
> what I want to do is every time someone sends a file in the /home/html
> directory, I want to file permissions to become webuser.webgroup 0775.
>
> How can I accomplish this?
> thanks alot.
> - pat.
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From: Patton Echols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gnome or kde?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:00:55 -0700
Garry Knight wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Patton Echols wrote:
> >The redhat distro sure makes it look like you pick Gnome
> >or KDE as your "desktop". Why do they do this?
>
> Because you choose Gnome or KDE as your "desktop".
>
> Look at it this way: You run a window manager, and you can run programs on top
> of that window manager.
<DETAILED DISCRIPTION DELETED>
Yes, I think I've got it now, although I don't think I'll fully
understand until I dig into it a bit. My point is that the "Gnome"
window manager that Redhat installs is Enlightenment, but there is
nothing that I have been able to find in the RH documentation that tells
me what my options are. In fact, when I read the installation guide, it
looked to me like they were saying
'if you want to run Gnome/KDE programs, you must use the appropriate
"desktop" and BTW they are mutually exclusive'
That's not quite correct. If I understand correctly, the Gnome/KDE
programs will run if the correct libraries are installed, regardless of
the window manager. (QUERY: will they run without ANY window manager?)
If I want the programs to interact with the window manager, then the
manager must be Gnome aware, or KDE aware, or both.
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From: "Dirk Kunze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "mount -f smbfs //etc" - where to put so it mounts automagically?
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 03:03:35 +0200
there is a automounterfs in the kernel to mount networkfilesystems at
boottime...
think, you need to recompile the kernel...
"Bruce LaZerte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:bsV3ehsibPZd-pn2-WdG0sfRVjHut@ASUSTwo...
> I can boot as root and execute in the console:
> mount -f smbfs file://bruce/landrive /mnt/landrive
> then login as a regular user to access the LanDrive.
> Works fine (with a couple of options not shown).
>
> But where can I put that mount statement so that it executes automatically
> everytime I boot?
>
> I've tried filling in the fstab table but nothing happens. I've tried
> putting the mount at the beginning or end of rc.local but always get some
> sort of permission denied error.
>
> I'm just starting out with Mandrake Linux 7.? (Helium) ...
> ----------------------
> Bruce LaZerte
> Muskoka,Ontario,Canada
> mail at fwr dot on dot ca
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From: Patton Echols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: X-windows newbie question
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:10:33 -0700
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Harry Lewis would say:
> >I'm no expert, but my own research came to the following conclusion.
> >
<SNIP>
> Unfortunately, the makers of Linux distributions have tended to muddy
> the waters by trying to set up default configurations to set up X
> "environments" that are tightly tied, often in a somewhat "partisan"
> manner, to one or the other of GNOME/KDE.
>
> The great confusion comes from the fact that differing distributions
> set up differing schemes for starting up X (actually, that part doesn't
> very much in and of itself), and THEN...
>
> - Starting up a window manager;
> - Possibly starting up other things like "panels" and other
> application launchers;
> - Loading information about the applications on the system into
> menus and perhaps into the "panel"
>
So, where would a person find a guide or useful info about 1) selecting
a window manager and 2) configuring the darn thing. WindowMaker was
suggested as a small, fast option but my guess is that finding that
program would just be the beginning . . .
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