Linux-Misc Digest #790, Volume #25 Sun, 17 Sep 00 11:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Goddamnit! Can't download files (Jean-David Beyer-valinux)
X-Server problem when changing back to console (Marc Bartsch)
Problem with Fdisk utility (Frank the root)
Re: Batch for Linux (William W.)
Re: The Truth About the Kursk Disaster (Brian Goodyear)
Re: The Truth About the Kursk Disaster (Brian Goodyear)
Problem With Fdisk Utility (Frank the root)
Project Management Miracle (Jo De Pelsmaeker)
Re: ethernet gaurenteed to work? (David Rysdam)
Re: 2 webservers behind firewall? HOW (Chris J/#6)
installation question (Nawaz Ahmed Khan)
Re: Basic networking question. (Rod Smith)
Re: Packet Loss ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Packet Loss ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Project Management Miracle (With Mustard)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Yannick")
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From: Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Goddamnit! Can't download files
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:53:13 -0400
MH wrote:
> Praedor Tempus wrote:
> >
> > This is really beginning to tick me off.
> >
> > Lately I have been unable to download files. I have
> > tried with ncftp and plain old ftp. Neither works.
What size files could you be trying to download? I downloaded an update to
IBM's DB2 V6.1 overnight a while ago using ncftp. It is the biggest file I
ever downloaded with my dial-up 56.6K dial-up modem. It probably took all
night.
-rw-r----- 1 jdbeyer jdbeyer 105134080 Dec 7 1999 IP21872.tar
In any case, I started it up and went to bed. It was there in the morning.
Could your connection to the Internet be especially bad?
> > What happens is that it appears to download fine, all
> > the way to the end, but at the end, the connection
> > doesn't terminate and just doesn't complete.
Could the server be sending defective messages?
> > Using Netscape, I tried downloading a couple of
> > RPMs from rufus.rpmfind. Both rpms downloaded 100%
> > but the download window will NOT close. I cannot
> > install the rpms because of this.
I find Netscape (currently 4.75) does not work well for large files because
it can seldom recover from transmission errors. If a connection stalls, it
is best to start over. With really big downloads, it does not pick up well
from where it left off.
> > If I try to download via CLI using ncftp, the same
> > thing occurs. The download goes to "completion"
> > but wont really complete the transaction.
> >
> > What. Is. Wrong. Please, does anyone know what
> > the deal here might be?
> >
> > How do I fix this?
> >
> > I am running Mandrake 7.1, kernel-2.2.17, glibc-2.1.3-6mdk,
> > Netscape 4.72 (which has worked fine until very recently),
> > ncftp-3.0.1-6mdk.
> >
>
> I have the exact same problem with RH 6.0 (2.2.16 kernel). It appears to
> occur only with large files. Still, I thought Linux was "one with the
> Internet"...
> So much for downloading distribution ISOs!!!
>
> --
> Don't waste your vote. Vote Green, or don't vote at all.
I really do not think it is a Linux problem, but a communication problem.
Since I can download what I consider to be very large files, it certainly
is possible.
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 7:42am up 39 days, 15:08, 2 users, load average: 3.61, 3.26, 3.14
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From: Marc Bartsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: X-Server problem when changing back to console
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:07:03 +0200
Hi,
I have the following problem. When I quit the X Server or use
CTRL-ALT-F1 etc. to go
to the console, the monitor sometimes flickers continously as if a wrong
screen mode had
been selected (and not standard VGA). This happens NOT every time I
change to the console,
however.
I am running the SVGA Server (3.3.6) with a 16 MB Voodoo Banshee card
and Suse Linux 6.4.
Many thanks for your help,
Marc.
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From: Frank the root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Problem with Fdisk utility
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:32:58 GMT
Hi, everybody
I'm presently trying to organize a particular partition order on a 20GB
hard drive (/dev/hdb). Here is what it looks like (fdisk output):
Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hdb1 1 1 7 56196 83
Linux native
/dev/hdb2 8 8 1027 8193150 5
Extended
/dev/hdb3 1024 1028 1792 6144862+ 83 Linux native
/dev/hdb4 1024 1793 1799 56227+ 82 Linux swap
/dev/hdb5 8 8 772 6144831 b Win95
FAT32
/dev/hdb6 773 773 1027 2048256 b Win95 FAT32
Command (m for help): v
Warning: partition 3 overlaps partition 4.
Warning: partition 3 overlaps partition 6.
Warning: partition 4 overlaps partition 6.
11229619 unallocated sectors
I don't know how to force the partitions 3 and 4 to start at another
cylinder than 1024. Why that? Anyone has a solution?
Thank for sharing to knowledge.
Frank
--
Ceux qui r�vent le jour, savent des choses qu'ignorent ceux qui
r�vent la nuit.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William W.)
Subject: Re: Batch for Linux
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:08:16 GMT
In our last episode (Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:59:41 GMT),
the artist formerly known as Christopher Browne said:
>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Stuart Mika Hankel would say:
>>Hello. How can i make a batch for Linux?
>>I've heard that i can make a 'script'. It's the same like BAT files for DOS?
>>How can i generate it? What's the extension?
>>I need to program two command line orders.
>
>BAT files are reminiscent of script files, albeit where the canonical
>scripting languages are actually somewhat powerful languages...
"Somewhat" being an extremely conservative underestimate :-)
Shell scripting can be used to create fully-fledged interactive programs
that do all sorts of thinks. They're not nearly as limited in scope as
DOS batch files. Many of the system commands that you run on your Linux
system are actually shell scripts; but if you don't actually look at the
source, you wouldn't know the different between that program and a
different version written in C or Perl.
>There is no such thing as an "extension" on Unix/Linux; that is an
>artifact of the MS-DOS FAT filesystem.
That's not completely true. Linux is far less reliant on file
extensions because it uses a magic number file to automatically
determine the type of most files, but some programs are dependent onfile
extensions for some things. The kernel, though, doesn't need them to
determine whether or not a file is executable.
At any rate, there *is* such a thing as file extensions in Unix;
they're just not as integral to basic system operation as they are in
Windows.
--
It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:12:47 -0400
From: Brian Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Truth About the Kursk Disaster
"David .." wrote:
>
> Some new information has come to light over the Kursk disaster. For
> those with short attention spans, the Kursk was the submarine that blew
> up and sank in the Artic Ocean killing all 118 on board. The Russians
> tried to blame the incident on a collision with an unidentified object.
> However, sonar tapes which recorded the blasts (a small one at first,
> then a much larger one two minutes later) cast doubt on these claims. A
> whistle blower within the Russian military has leaked that the crew of
> the Kursk was testing a new type of torpedo when the accident occured.
> It seemed very likely that the test didn't go quite as planned.
>
> While rescue efforts to save the survivors of the Kursk failed, salvage
> crews were able to recover a 'Black Box' from the submarine which
> contained detailed accounts of the events leading up to the explosion.
> As luck would have it, we got a copy of those tapes.
>
> It turns out that the submarine crew was trying to load Microsoft
> Windows on their fire control computer. Their intent was to replace the
> aging CP/M operating system with the flashier Windows OS. Apparently,
> the Russians didn't know about the legendary stability problems
> exhibited by Windows. The log tapes make this painfully obvious:
>
> Captain: Is the new fire control Windows OS installed yet Comrade?
>
> Seaman: Almost Sir. We just need to finish filling out the registration
> card.
>
> Captain: Excellent. Soon we will be able to point and click our enemies
> into oblivian.
>
> [evil laughter in background]
>
> Seaman: Comrade Captain! It is booting! Look, it says "Preparing to run
> Windows for the first time".
>
> [long pause]
>
> Seaman: Arrgh! Sir, it wants me to reboot again. That makes the 27th
> time.
>
> Captain: Hmmm. This is not encouraging. Go ahead and reboot again.
>
> Seaman: Aye Sir.
>
> [another long pause]
>
> Seaman: Captain, it is up again. It says it found new hardware ... A
> CD-ROM drive and that it needs drivers.
>
> Captain: Where are the drivers?
>
> Seaman: On the CD-ROM.
>
> Captain: You are joking, right?
>
> Seaman: No Sir.
>
> Captain: Reboot the damn thing again. I am starting not to like this
> Windows.
>
> [another long pause]
>
> Seaman: Sir! It is back! It says it found the Gorby2000 Torpedo and is
> looking for the device drivers. Do we have a driver disk?
>
> Captain: I do not think so.
>
> Seaman: I will tell it to use the default drivers.
>
> [another long pause]
>
> Seaman: Crap. It wants to reboot again.
>
> Captain: How many times are we going to reboot today? This is taking
> forever. Our hull is going to rust out before this works.
>
> [another long pause]
>
> Seaman: Sir! It is up and this time it is not asking for anything!
>
> Captain: Really? No device drivers? No registration cards? No user
> profiles?
>
> Seaman: No Sir. I think it is ready.
>
> Captain: Good work comrade. Now click on the fire control icon and let
> us see how this works.
>
> Seaman: Clicking now, Sir.
>
> [another long pause]
>
> Captain: Why does the fire control screen have a dancing paper clip on
> it?
>
> Seaman: I have no idea Sir.
>
> Captain: Hmmm, well try clicking on the menu.
>
> Seaman: Aye Sir. Let us see; Open E-mail, Spam a friend, Mail a Virus,
> Fire a Torpedo.
>
> Captain: We will spam a friend later. Let us fire a torpedo.
>
> Seaman: Aye Sir.
>
> [another long pause]
>
> Seaman: It is asking us to load the torpedo and to click when ready.
>
> Captain: Torpedo room, load a torpedo in tube number 1!
>
> [intercom:] This is the Torpedo room. The torpedo is loaded Sir.
>
> Captain: Click on the continue button.
>
> Seaman: Aye Sir.
>
> [another long pause]
>
> Seaman: It is asking for a target Sir.
>
> Captain: Hmmm, target the Rainbow Warrior.
>
> Seaman: Aye Sir. Damn! It says the torpedo is low on ink.
>
> Captain: Click ignore. We will get some ink when we return to base.
>
> Seaman: Aye Sir. We are ready to fire.
>
> Captain: Very good. You may fire when ready comrade.
>
> Seaman: Firing torpedo Sir.
>
> [another really long pause]
>
> Captain: Well?
>
> Seaman: I am trying Sir. Nothing is happening. Wait a minute....
>
> [a loud explosion is heard in the background followed by screaming on
> intercom]
>
> Captain: WTF was that?!?!?
>
> Seaman: Captain! A new screen has appeared!
>
> Outlook Express Fire Control has performed an illegal operation and
> will be shut down.
>
> Click 'OK' to continue.
>
> Seaman: Oh my God! The paper clip has died! What should I do?
>
> Captain: Shut it down! Shut it down!
>
> Seaman: It is not responding Sir!
>
> Captain: Try 'CTRL-ALT-DELETE'!
>
> Seaman: Aye Sir. We are in luck! The task manager is still operating. I
> am instructing the task manager to shut down Outlook Fire Control.
>
> [another long pause]
>
> Seaman: The task manager says that Outlook Fire Control is not
> responding.
>
> Captain: Well no shit. Tell it to 'end task'.
>
> Seaman: Nothing is happening Sir.
>
> Captain: Try 'CTRL-ALT-DELETE' again.
>
> Seaman: Aye Sir.
>
> [sounds of frantic pecking on keyboard.]
>
> Seaman: Oooh! What a pretty blue screen!
>
> Captain: Holy Shit! Not the blue screen of dea....
>
> [ KABLAM! A really big explosion. More screaming and the sound of
> rushing water.]
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> The tape ends at this point.
>
> During the week long rescue effort, divers reported hearing tapping in
> the form of morse code coming from survivors inside the damaged sub. The
> rescuers couldn't understand why a group of men would spend the last of
> their strength tapping out "windows sucks" in morse code. The tapes of
> the last moments of the Kursk may offer some insight into this.
>
> --
> Where do you want to go today?
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:13:38 -0400
From: Brian Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Truth About the Kursk Disaster
"David .." wrote:
>
> Some new information has come to light over the Kursk disaster. For
If it wasn't for the fact that quite a few real people drowned in that
submarine incident, I might have found your parody amusing. Part of the
problem with advanced technology such as computers is that they can tend
to separate us from the messy details of life much in the same way that
the governing elite looks at the very people who are working down on the
floor. Our computer simulations, games, projections, etc. don't bleed
nor die but in reality we all do.
Brian
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From: Frank the root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Problem With Fdisk Utility
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:31:08 GMT
Hi, everybody
I'm presently trying to organize a particular partition order on a 20GB
hard drive (/dev/hdb). Here is what it looks like (fdisk output):
Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hdb1 1 1 7 56196 83 Linux native
/dev/hdb2 8 8 1027 8193150 5 Extended
/dev/hdb3 1024 1028 1792 6144862+ 83 Linux native
/dev/hdb4 1024 1793 1799 56227+ 82 Linux swap
/dev/hdb5 8 8 772 6144831 b Win95 FAT32
/dev/hdb6 773 773 1027 2048256 b Win95 FAT32
Command (m for help): v
Warning: partition 3 overlaps partition 4.
Warning: partition 3 overlaps partition 6.
Warning: partition 4 overlaps partition 6.
11229619 unallocated sectors
I don't know how to force the partitions 3 and 4 to start at another
cylinder than 1024. Why that? Anyone has a solution?
Thank for sharing to knowledge.
Frank
--
Ceux qui r�vent le jour, savent des choses qu'ignorent ceux qui
r�vent la nuit.
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Subject: Project Management Miracle
From: Jo De Pelsmaeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:54:24 GMT
Hi,
For some reason, MS Project 2000 slipped trough a backdoor in our company
and is now there to stay. It will be impossible to get the client out of the
company, but i want to avoid that MS gets into my Unix (Linux) oriented
server room. People are talking to the IT director about ProjectCentral
which includes an IIS and a possible MS Echange Server (bah!).
What I am looking for is a professional Project management tool, that has a
Linux based server, uses Apache on Linux as the webserver to publish the
projects on the intranet and can handle MS Project 2000 as a client.
Would there be any miracle like that?
Thanks,
Jo
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Rysdam)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ethernet gaurenteed to work?
Date: 17 Sep 2000 13:36:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's pretty difficult to find a card that ISN'T automatically
detected. Try an NE2000 (or clone) or a 3Com card (3c5xx or 3c9xx).
And Peter Bismuti Spoke:
>
>Hi, are there any reccomendations for a moderately priced ethernet
>card that is gauranteed to be detected by RH6.? and not require any
>configuration, loading of kernel modules, etc. etc?
>
>Thanks
- --
My public encryption key is available from www.keyserver.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris J/#6)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: 2 webservers behind firewall? HOW
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 17 Sep 2000 15:24:19 +0100
D. Abuan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Thanks there Chris,
>
>
>But how would you tell a persons browser on the net to point to that port
>8000 when a web
>browser's default request port is 80? Any work around here??
>
Its a stanadrd part of the URL - just is rarely used (for obvious reasons :).
just point your browser in the direction of:
http://name.of.your.server:portnumber/
eg,
http://www.mymachine.net:8000/
Chris...
--
@}-,'-------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson --'-{@
/ "(it is) crucial that we learn the difference / [EMAIL PROTECTED] \
/ between Sex and Gender. Therein lies the key / \
/ to our freedom" -- LB / www.nccnet.co.uk/~sixie \
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From: Nawaz Ahmed Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: installation question
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:28:30 GMT
i am using redhat 6.2 with kde desktop. recently i have downloaded
realplayer for linux from real.com. it is binry file type (eg
realplayer.bin), how can i install or use it.
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Basic networking question.
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:33:54 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <8q1jle$h4e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Hello,
>
> Basic networking Q: what would be the simplest way to network two Linux
> computers? That is, among other things, be able to access each others'
> files. I know this is very general, but I really have no idea where to
> start; I want the simplest way. Also, what sort of cable would I use
> for this? I'm speaking of regular Intel-based PCs here.
You'll need two network cards. Assuming you use 100Mbps Ethernet, you'll
need either a crossover cable or a hub and two regular cables. You'll
then need to configure assorted networking features on both systems.
Check the networking HOWTO documents that came with your system, or buy
an introductory book on Linux networking for details. (I've got some
book suggestions at http://www.rodsbooks.com/books/books-network.html.)
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Packet Loss
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:39:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Harri Haataja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Andrew N. McGuire" wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
> > > "Bluezz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I have spent months of my time batteling hackers on redhat 6.1
and have
> > > tried countless steps of security against them but they keep
managing
> > > to get in. Now I use linux mandrake 7 as recommended by my guru
linux
> > > master and have not been hacked once.
> >
> > You can achieve the same level of security in ~ANY~ Linux
distribution.
>
> And then some =). Some just have better defaults. RH is reputed to
have
> sadly loose defaults. So is Solaris I hear. Don't take this as pro-mdk
> though, I've never used it.
If you install Mandrake in expert mode there's a "Paranoid" security
mode that will not even allow root login from the server itself. My
linux guru tells me it's so secure that it can be difficult to do
things, but he loves it and uses it for the company site.
I'm not an expert so I just did a simply no brainer high security
install which is more secure than red hats default install.
>
> > > don't under estamate hackers! they're insane but amazing in their
> > > abilities. have you noticed any new installed programs on your
system?
> > > one of my hackers installed a custom sniffit program that was
causing
> > > packet losses with my dns server.
> >
> > I think you have hackers and crackers confused.
>
> Almost everyone does. It seems to be best to just let it go and
watch -
> you can tell a hacker by the point that he knows what a hacker is =).
> Ok, not neccessarily but like that.
>
Cracker? Does a cracker install software on your server? Anyhow, this
guy did not get in by any simple means and knew his/her stuff!! It got
to the point where I would set up traps in commands such as ls mv rm
more and he/she found out, undid what I did and prevented me from
moving, deleting or even modifying those files even though I was logged
in as root.
Paul_L
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Packet Loss
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:39:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Harri Haataja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Andrew N. McGuire" wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
> > > "Bluezz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I have spent months of my time batteling hackers on redhat 6.1
and have
> > > tried countless steps of security against them but they keep
managing
> > > to get in. Now I use linux mandrake 7 as recommended by my guru
linux
> > > master and have not been hacked once.
> >
> > You can achieve the same level of security in ~ANY~ Linux
distribution.
>
> And then some =). Some just have better defaults. RH is reputed to
have
> sadly loose defaults. So is Solaris I hear. Don't take this as pro-mdk
> though, I've never used it.
If you install Mandrake in expert mode there's a "Paranoid" security
mode that will not even allow root login from the server itself. My
linux guru tells me it's so secure that it can be difficult to do
things, but he loves it and uses it for the company site.
I'm not an expert so I just did a simply no brainer high security
install which is more secure than red hats default install.
>
> > > don't under estamate hackers! they're insane but amazing in their
> > > abilities. have you noticed any new installed programs on your
system?
> > > one of my hackers installed a custom sniffit program that was
causing
> > > packet losses with my dns server.
> >
> > I think you have hackers and crackers confused.
>
> Almost everyone does. It seems to be best to just let it go and
watch -
> you can tell a hacker by the point that he knows what a hacker is =).
> Ok, not neccessarily but like that.
>
Cracker? Does a cracker install software on your server? Anyhow, this
guy did not get in by any simple means and knew his/her stuff!! It got
to the point where I would set up traps in commands such as ls mv rm
more and he/she found out, undid what I did and prevented me from
moving, deleting or even modifying those files even though I was logged
in as root.
Paul_L
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
------------------------------
From: With Mustard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Project Management Miracle
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:01:08 GMT
Jo De Pelsmaeker wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For some reason, MS Project 2000 slipped trough a backdoor in our company
> and is now there to stay. It will be impossible to get the client out of
> the company, but i want to avoid that MS gets into my Unix (Linux)
> oriented server room. People are talking to the IT director about
> ProjectCentral which includes an IIS and a possible MS Echange Server
> (bah!).
>
> What I am looking for is a professional Project management tool, that has
> a Linux based server, uses Apache on Linux as the webserver to publish the
> projects on the intranet and can handle MS Project 2000 as a client.
>
> Would there be any miracle like that?
Nope. There isn't even any decent PM software for Linux. For that matter,
there's very little decent PM software, period, for any platform.
Your best bet for personal survival would be to install VMWare and run
Windows+MS Project in parallel with Linux.
--
The nice thing about standards
is that there are so many of them.
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From: "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:08:48 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:15:31 GMT, Yannick wrote:
> >> > and also that possibility to advertise optional
> >> >functionality with on-demand installation ? And the package
> >transformations,
> >> >allowing multiple package customizations while reducing HD space ?
> >>
> >> I don't know what you mean by the above.
> >Since I don't know which one you refer to, I'll detail both :
> >- on-demand installation lets you install some menu options, shortcuts,
> >etc... referring to elements that are not really installed until you
invoke
> >them.
>
> I see. IN LInux, you'd acheieve this goal by having multiple packages.
>
No. Here the packages are absent in a transparent manner : if you click on
an
uninstalled feature, the installation of that feature is automatic (just as
if
it had already been installed, only it takes some time the first time).
> >you're the sysadmin. You want to decide what elements are needed for each
> >category of users, and perform an automatic installation of those
packages.
> >For each category of users, you build a transformation of the MSI package
> >describing the actual setup options. This transformation is not a new
> >package, it really is the definition of the transformation : when you
> >install with the transformation, it uses the original MSI package. Thus,
if
> >you have ten different categories of users with different needs, you'll
only
> >have one big MSI file and ten much smaller files describing the
> >tranformations.
>
> Are you saying you install the software once for each user ? I'm confused.
Sorry, this comes from the habit of having one user per workstation. In fact
I suppose you can find relevant cases where this is a sensible thing to do
on a per-user basis, but nevertheless this is probably possible for a set of
machines (those machines being used for different purposes and thus
requiring different software configs).
> >Now you set up everything so that the install starts when your users log
off
> >on friday evening and shutdown their machines after completion.
>
> If you want to set certain times for installs, you can do this with
> cron.
It's not about times. Times are very well if your machines are on all time
(in which case you can do everything at night, so as not to be annoying to
people working late or early), but this is a waste of energy. Events, in
particular "on machine shutdown", is better because you are 95% sure that no
one bothers the software being installed when the machine should be off
anyway.
But this is surely possible in Unix too.
Yannick.
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