Linux-Misc Digest #790, Volume #18               Wed, 27 Jan 99 22:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Re: Linux Friendly ISP ("Tim Hamza")
  Re: Compressed 2.2 kernel about 35% larger than compressed 2.0.x? (Dan Nguyen)
  Re: Resuming downloads under Unix (V. L. S.)
  Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Bill Vermillion)
  Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise (Bill Unruh)
  Re: Lost my KDM... Help! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: kernel 2.20 problem (Ken Witherow)
  ipfwadm help (Yan Seiner)
  PPP is driving me crazy !!!! Plese help me (Giovanni Chierico)
  Re: Disk image ("Steven J. Hathaway")
  Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise (Bill Unruh)
  Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code (Jim Frost)
  Re: PPP is driving me crazy !!!! Plese help me ("Neil D. Schafer")
  Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code (Jim Frost)
  /etc/issue ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Linux version 2.2.0 won't compile (Raymond Doetjes)
  Re: Mesa (Raymond Doetjes)

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From: "Tim Hamza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Friendly ISP
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:00:18 -0700

===== Original Message =====
From: David Efflandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Linux Friendly ISP

>I also have a minimal CompuServe account (now owned by AOL) that gives
>me worldwide ppp access.  It is rather slow (500 ping), but I have had it
>since before the Internet was conceived.  They have a Unix forum, and most

I'm sorry, I hate nitpickers, but for some reason this just got my goat.
The internet was around long before Compuserve was conceived.  Get your
facts straight, buddy.  Having used the internet long before there was a
WWW, it is amusing to see that many people don't know the difference.



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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compressed 2.2 kernel about 35% larger than compressed 2.0.x?
Date: 28 Jan 1999 00:19:43 GMT

Gopal Harikumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Size of /vmlinuz for 2.0.33 on my system: ~325 kB.

: Size of /vmlinuz for 2.2.0 with same features: ~450 kB.

Did you configure the kernels exactly the same way?



-- 
           Dan Nguyen            | There is only one happiness in
        [EMAIL PROTECTED]         |   life, to love and be loved.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 |                   -George Sand


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (V. L. S.)
Subject: Re: Resuming downloads under Unix
Date: 27 Jan 1999 08:46:07 -0600

Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> ncftp(1) will do smart retries and run off script.
> -- 
> [Replies: remove the dot(s)]
> 
> "Everything is permitted.  Nothing is forbidden."
>                                    WS Burroughs.

Plain old ftp has the reget command also.

Vance

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:06:40 GMT

In comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Piotr Wanat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
        [snip]
>> Are you BSD addicts sure you have had UDMA support for
>> on-board IDE chipsets (I've got MVP3 based PA-2013)
>> right off the cuff?
 PW>
 PW>    Nope, you're wrong. Current Linux releases need immediate patching
 PW>after installation if you consider running it in LAN. Here, in my
 PW>student's campus ppl use mostly W9x/NT. If someone decides to install
 PW>and run Linux in local network and share FS via Samba, he's the first
 PW>person whose machine is hacked. 
        [snip]
Perhaps more accurately, he simply knows that he has been hacked. The
users of Win9x/NT may not be able to discern real problems from their
usual cycle of exception and reboot.

- Ross


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Crossposted-To: 
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:17:52 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Zenin  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Richard Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason O'Rourke)
>: spake unto us, saying:
>       >snip<
>: >A linux machine that doesn't get patched as needed is an open doorway
>: >for intruders.
>:
>: Not if the servers aren't exposed.  Trusted employees breaking into
>: servers on one's intranet are threats regardless of the OSes used.

> Most major companies don't trust there sysadmins, let alone there
> lower level employees. Infact, the primary threats to company
> security are from within. ...

I can see why you wouldn't let the lower-level employees have
access at levels that would permit access to data.  I've also seen
one install where NONE of the programmers could enter the room
where the tapes were loaded - and that was left strictly to the
operators - with the assumption that they wouldn't be able to
change anything.  That's the old security through obscurity model.
Also a bad assumption - as one operator figured out how to change
her records after she didn't get the raise she wanted.

However - as to the admins, and whoever is responsible for keeping
the system running - if you can't trust your computer sysadmins, 
just who can you trust.   There has to be more than one (in case of
accident, death, etc.) that knows all the ins and outs.

Making tasks that are routine - but could be a concern such as new
users, etc., a job that requires two people to complete it, lowers
the chance of someone changing things that should not be changed.
If someone wanted in and was going to have to pay to do this, then
they would have to corrupt two operators to get this done.

This also means that the two should only know each other through
the work environment and not socialize outside that environment.

Somebody with a lot of computer knowledge has to be trusted
somewhere, because most management won't understand.  They often
miss certain things, or in the effort to be extra secure, could
prevent those whose job it is to keep things running properly and
secure, from functioning fully.


-- 
Bill Vermillion   bv @ wjv.com 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise
Date: 28 Jan 1999 02:11:53 GMT

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark Ramos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>After receiving emails and seeing the threads on RAM limitations I realize
>that this is yet another hardware limitation based on the PC architecture.
>So I see Linux trying to gain acceptance in the high end market but there
>are so many limitations.  To list a few:

It depends on what you want to do an what your budget is. For enought
money you can certainly beat a PC. 
>1.  Memory bandwith limitation (just found that out) due to the 32bit
>addressing of Intel cpu's.

?

>2. 1024 cylinder boundry in which the kernel can't sit on your disk after
>the 1024th cylinder or after the 3rd disk (I believe).

This is a bios problem. But I do not know what the problem here is.
Why did you want to put Linux at the end of the fourth disk when it is
the only OS you have? 
You also cannot use an Intel box to sail across the atlantic with. But
why would you want to?

>3.  You can't boot without a video card  (under most bioses).

Do not know about this. I believe a lot of BIOS allow a boot to proceed
even without a video card. ( and a cheap VGA is not exactly going to
destroy your budget. Youdo not need a monitor attached.

>4. You can't  initialize the system from the serial port.  I am running
>systems now from console (thanks to Linux)  but it starts at the lilo
>prompt.  I can't go into CMOS or see the memory count at boot up, etc. like
>it can be done on Sparc architecture, SGI, HP.....  Supposedly it can be
>done with an add on board that is used in Compaq servers but c'mon  this is
>a joke!

Lets see, you pay 2000 for what would cost you 4000 but a 100 card is a
joke? Hmm.

>You may think I am just complaining but if your environment is nearly all
>Sparc architectures and you want to put a PC in because it costs so much
>less and you are trying to convince your IT manager that Linux on a PC can
>compete with the "other guys" then how do I explain that the Intel boxes
>are crippled?  Yeah you can say put Linux on the Sparc's but when we

Sorry, why is it crippled? None of those issues is exactly a crucial
issue. You can run the box from a serial port or from a network. I do
not know if you can get at the CMOS stuff, but it would surprise me if
not, since it it is just a software issue (The BIOS is just software).
But again, what is the situation which you are running these machines
in?

>already have Solaris why convert to Linux on those?  Just because it's
>"Linux"?  I don't think so.  Motherboard  and cpu manufacturers need to get
>their ass moving and stop waiting for Merced and fix these compatability
>issues with the current hardware.

>Mark







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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lost my KDM... Help!
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:11:41 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > The last few weeks had been very wonderful with my
> > Linux box going rock solid until last night when I did something
> > stupid.  I tried  to  give a little tweak to my XF86Config file to optimize
> > X  but I don't know what have I done because after I  did  a reboot,
> > my KDM graphical login was gone.  Fortunately, before modifying the
> > F86Config file, I made a copy of it just in case something goes wrong.
> > I tried to over write the file I modified with the backup but the problem
> > still remains.
> >
> <SNIP>
>
> How about just running the XF86Setup or the xf86config program, or what
> ever your version is called, again?
>


Hi Jerry!

Thanks a lot. Your sound advice did a lot. I'm back to normal KDM
login now. I was thinking about it but I didn't dare. Too afraid
to cause more havoc.

Regards,

Bud

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From: Ken Witherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel 2.20 problem
Date: 28 Jan 1999 02:12:43 GMT

ty wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thank you very much!  I got the patch, but couldn't apply it.  I issued the
> command:
> bzip2 -dc patch-2.2.0-ac1.bz2 | patch -p0
> and always got a .rej file.  Could you please tell me what's the problem?

use patch -p1

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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ipfwadm help
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:01:44 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am trying to configure ipfwadm on my system.  I have a linux 2.0.35
box that acts as a samba server and a dial-up internet connection.

I am using ipfwadm 2.3.0.  Every time I try to bring up ipfwadm, it
blocks DNS, DHCP, or some other stuff, and basically renders the network
useless.

It appears that ipfwadm does not recognize the -V or -W options, as the
deny seems to apply equally to all interfaces and IP addresses
regardless of what I specify.

I would appreciate a working ipfwadm config so I can verify if this is a
config problem or a kernel build or other problem.

I am using DNS caching server and ssh and IP masq.  I am not running any
services that outsiders need to connect to except ssh.

Thanks.

Yan

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From: Giovanni Chierico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: PPP is driving me crazy !!!! Plese help me
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:09:53 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi everybody, I've been trying to set up a PPP connection, 
but it doesn't work.

I think I read all the documentation I found 10 times and nothing seems
to work, so if you can help me, I'd really appreciate it.

This is how it goes:
I use EZPPP to connnect, it dials the number, sends the right login and
password, the server starts the ppp connection ( i see all those symbols
like {{())
and everything seems to be fine, but it doesn't work!!

this is the output of ifconfig:

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback  
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Bcast:127.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
          UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3584  Metric:1
          RX packets:48 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
          TX packets:48 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0

ppp0      Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol  
          inet addr:195.223.189.119  P-t-P:151.99.104.178 Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING  MTU:552  Metric:1
          RX packets:109 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
          TX packets:111 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0

ping with 195.223.189.119 works fine while ping with 151.99.104.178
doesn't work at all!!!

this is the output of netstat -nr

Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags   MSS Window  irtt
Iface
127.0.0.1       0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH     3584 0          0
lo
151.99.104.178  0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH      552 0          0
ppp0
195.223.189.119 0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH     3584 0          0
lo
127.0.0.0       -               255.0.0.0       !         - -          -
-
0.0.0.0         151.99.104.178  0.0.0.0         UG      552 0          0
ppp0

this is my ppp option file

# /etc/ppp/options (NO PAP/CHAP)
#
# Prevent pppd from forking into the background
-detach
#
# use the modem control lines
modem
# use uucp style locks to ensure exclusive access to the serial device
lock
# use hardware flow control
crtscts
# create a default route NOT for this connection in the routing table
noipdefault
# do NOT set up any "escaped" control sequences
asyncmap 0
# use a maximum transmission packet size of 552 bytes
mtu 552
# use a maximum receive packet size of 552 bytes
mru 552
defaultroute


this is my /etc/hosts file:
127.0.0.1               localhost.localdomain localhost

and this is the /etc/resolv.conf:
search crown-net.com
nameserver 151.99.104.178


I really don't know about the nameserver, my ISP never gave me that number.
I figured out that was the server number because it's the one that always comes
out
when I connect, but that never asnwers to ping.


I'll REALLY appreciate any help. 
Thanks in advance.

Giovanni Chierico



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From: "Steven J. Hathaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Disk image
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:18:06 -0800

>

Disk imaging may work for Linux, but NT, Windows 95, and Windows 98 have
problems.  The most severe problems are with NT.  NT domains and Windows
Workgroups can have significant problems if the internal SID (unique
system identifier) is the same on more that one computer on your network.
There is also a problem with smart shortcut link files.

If you do the disk cloning route with NT, you must also perform the
following operations:

    1.  Make sure that the SIDs are unique, use a program that can
        change the SIDs on NT file structures, including the access
        lists for NTFS.

        Windows 95 does not use SIDs.


    2.  Make sure your cloned computer has a new name in all the
        right places.

    3.  Make sure that all *.lnk files (shortcuts) reference your
        current system.  By default, they will try to access the
        computer and disk drive from which your hard disk was copied.

        I use a program suchas Shortcut Doctor and change the following,
        if the C: drive is cloned.

        Find all shortcuts on C: and its subdirectories.

        Change Targets:
             C:  -->  \\newname\C$
             %SystemRoot% -->  \\newname\ADMIN$

        Change Targets Back:
            \\newname\C$  --> C:
            \\newname\ADMIN$ --> %SystemRoot%

        Then make sure that your other disk mappings are proper.
        You may need to fix more shortcuts.

   4.   Make sure that the computer is properly registered as a
        client in any NT domain you may be using.  You may need
        to remove an old computer by the same name and re-register
        so that the NT domain controller has the new SID for the
        NT workstation.   Registering is also required of Windows 95
        and Windows 98, but this is less demanding than Windows NT
        from an administrator's view.

=======
These above comments illustrate some of the GOTCHA's of cloning NT
and Microsoft Windows operating systems.

- Steven J. Hathaway



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise
Date: 28 Jan 1999 02:19:42 GMT

In <78o1sr$plb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M Sweger) writes:

]But what about this scenario. If I make linux a printerver without
]any video card and I do a reboot of that box, I take it from this

So stick in a video card. It;s 10$. you do not need a monitor or
keyboard(depending on the BIOS, you can set them to ignore errors on
boot). Now at some point you will need them since all machines come
default with a certain configuration. But after you have configured it,
...
]thread that it'll hang. I don't want to put a video, keyboard and
]monitor on it. The same applies to it acting in a network gateway
]scenario or router. What I'd like to do is user another PC,
]that has a keyboard,monitor etc running Linux and telnet from this PC to
]the other linux box (wthout a console) and login in and configure that
]printer server/router/gateway. This will save on the amount of hardware I'd

Go ahead. do it that way. No problem.
]have to buy,maintain/fix and occupying space.

]If a video card is really needed on the other machine, then I'd say
]linux needs to be fixed so that this isn't a requirement, but that
]in the situtation I need to get direct access using a console, that
]at boot I can manually tell Linux that the console is present.

It is not a linux problem as far as I know, but a bios problem. But why
all this fuss over a $10 video card? Your time complianing here was
worth more than that.

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From: Jim Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:46:10 -0500

> > Lastly, remember that we're talking about a problem that won't bite us for
> > another 40 years even if we don't change anything.
> 
> Ah yes... that old 'it's not going to affect me in my lifetime'
> argument...
> That depends of course, on what you are doing... If your pension
> calculation
> program uses time_t (or the associated Unix time/date functions) then
> you
> will be in trouble a lot sooner... Fortunately I will retire before 2038
> :)

You misunderstand.  It's not a matter of whether or not it will affect me, it's
whether or not the software will have to be recompiled from source before the
deadline.  If it does have to be then this problem is one that the compiler
will catch (via argument mismatch errors) and/or correct (time_t just gets
bigger) automatically.  Thus the problem gets fixed with the recompile.

The only argument that holds water is that the binary lives for another 40
years.  That is going to be really, really rare.

> Jim Frost also wrote in an earlier posting:
> > [2038 problem]
> > Yea but we've worked through that on other UNIXen by expanding time_t to a
> > 64-bit int.  Problem solved for a couple gazillion years.
> 
> Incidentally, which Unixen are they? (and who is 'we'?!)

I thought IRIX did it, but it turns out that they specifically downsize it.  Oh
well, maybe I just remembered the discussions.  Interestingly Java uses a
64-bit timestamp (though its resolution is ms, not second).

jim

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From: "Neil D. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: PPP is driving me crazy !!!! Plese help me
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:35:37 GMT


I too am having difficulty getting a PPP conetion to my isp.

I am able to connect for about 30 seconds, then I get disconnected with the
following error msg:

 Jan 27 12:01:33 localhost pppd[1769]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: timeout set to 3 seconds
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: abort on (\nBUSY\r)
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: abort on (\nNO ANSWER\r)
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: abort on (\nRINGING\r\n\r\nRINGING\r)
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: send (rAT^M)
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: expect (OK)
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: rAT^M^M
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: OK
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]:  -- got it
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: send (ATH0^M)
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: timeout set to 30 seconds
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: expect (OK)
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: ^M
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: ATH0^M^M
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: OK
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]:  -- got it
Jan 27 12:01:34 localhost chat[1770]: send (ATDT612-904-2200^M)
Jan 27 12:01:35 localhost chat[1770]: expect (CONNECT)
Jan 27 12:01:35 localhost chat[1770]: ^M
Jan 27 12:01:59 localhost chat[1770]: ATDT612-904-2200^M^M
Jan 27 12:01:59 localhost chat[1770]: CONNECT
Jan 27 12:01:59 localhost chat[1770]:  -- got it
Jan 27 12:01:59 localhost chat[1770]: send (^M)
Jan 27 12:01:59 localhost chat[1770]: expect (ogin:)
Jan 27 12:01:59 localhost chat[1770]:  48000/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS^M
Jan 27 12:02:01 localhost chat[1770]: ^M
Jan 27 12:02:29 localhost chat[1770]: alarm
Jan 27 12:02:29 localhost pppd[1769]: Connect script failed
Jan 27 12:02:29 localhost chat[1770]: Failed
Jan 27 12:02:30 localhost pppd[1769]: Exit.

Here is my setup:
(PPP-ON)

# Script to initiate a ppp connection. This is the first part of the
# pair of scripts. This is not a secure pair of scripts as the codes
# are visible with the 'ps' command.  However, it is simple.
# These are the parameters. Change as needed.
TELEPHONE=612-904-2200  # The telephone number for the connection
ACCOUNT=0300150206649240 # The account name
PASSWORD=E6pLsXWvWNs7WuJSyxyqYcR8 # The password
LOCAL_IP=0.0.0.0        # Local IP address if known. Dynamic = 0.0.0.0
REMOTE_IP=0.0.0.0       # Remote IP address if desired. Normally0.0.0.0
NETMASK=255.255.255.0   # The proper netmask if needed

DIALER_SCRIPT=/etc/ppp/ppp-on-dialer
#
# Initiate the connection
#
exec /usr/sbin/pppd debug lock modem crtscts /dev/ttyS0 38400 \
asyncmap 20A0000 escape FF kdebug 0 $LOCAL_IP:$REMOTE_IP \
noipdefault netmask $NETMASK defaultroute connect $DIALER_SCRIPT

(PPP-ON-Dialer)

#!/bin/sh
#
# This is part 2 of the ppp-on script. It will perform the connection
# protocol for the desired connection.
#
exec chat -v                    \
        TIMEOUT         3       \
        ABORT           '\nBUSY\r'      \
        ABORT           '\nNO ANSWER\r'         \
        ABORT           '\nRINGING\r\n\r\nRINGING\r'    \
        ''              \rAT            \
        'OK-+++\c-OK'   ATH0            \
        TIMEOUT         30      \
        OK              ATDT$TELEPHONE  \

        CONNECT         ''              \
        ogin:           $ACCOUNT                        \
assword:        $PASSWORD

Any help would be appreciated




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From: Jim Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:46:57 -0500

> > After all, I've gone through three generations of hardware since I started
> > working with UNIX.
> 
> Filing systems.  They have[*] to have binary dates, they tend to last
> for a long time, and people aren't too keen on changing them to the
> latest-and-greatest.  Square or cube that for network-based filing
> systems.

I don't know about you, but whenever I upgrade hardware I tend to upgrade the
filesystems and copy the data over.  Furthermore, most filesystems have changed
to support new media or higher reliability -- some of them several times in the
last ten years.

Considering that this particular problem is fixable with "cp -r" I don't
consider it the least bit crippling.

Lastly, remember that we're talking about a problem that won't bite us for
another 40 years even if we don't change anything.  That's almost the whole
history of commercial electronic computing.  I dare say that things are likely
to change enough in the next 40 years that most current software won't run on
any available hardware.  Hell, it's hard to get stuff that's 10 years old to
run on today's hardware, and 15 year old stuff tends to run only in emulators. 
And don't even *talk* to me about network formats; we see a new one of those
every few years and backwards interoperability has been spotty at best.

jim

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: /etc/issue
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:20:25 GMT

Any RedHat 5.2 users out there who have tried to change their /etc/issue file?

I've changed mine repeatedly, and it works fine.. changing the text displayed
above the login: prompt.  Until I reboot.  And then it reverts back to the
default message about RedHat blah blah blah.

Am I doing something wrong, or is RedHat doing something wrong?

TIA,
Bob

--
Bob Trevithick
Company:Qmail
User:rft

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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux version 2.2.0 won't compile
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:56:47 +0100

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I'm trying out the new 2.2.0 kernel now I get a error that
csum_partial_copy has already been defined. The strange thing is that I
did'nt had this problem with the pre-releases uptil 2.2.0pre7. I haven't
installed the other 2 pre releases. What could be the problem here???

I'm getting this error:
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib'
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes
-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -m486
-malign-loops=2 -malig
n-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=686   -c -o checksum.o checksum.c
checksum.c:200: redefinition of `csum_partial_copy'
checksum.c:105: `csum_partial_copy' previously defined here
{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:188: Fatal error: Symbol csum_partial_copy already
defined.
make[2]: *** [checksum.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib'
make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib'
make: *** [_dir_arch/i386/lib] Error 2

Raymond

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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mesa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:58:00 +0100

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Yes you can, go to www.blender.nl select download shared library
version, and there is also a link to mesa 3.0

Raymond

Mark Robinson wrote:

> Can I get Mesa 3.0 in compiled RPM?



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