Linux-Misc Digest #811, Volume #25 Tue, 19 Sep 00 22:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Red Hat 6.2 Monitor problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
problem booting (SOMERTON KENNEDY)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Suse 6.4 / 7.0 (Dan Chirica)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
problems booting up (SOMERTON KENNEDY)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: It would seem that Redhat is a bit of a bugger! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Stopping telnetd, ftpd starting at boot? (Andrew J. Perrin)
Linux doesn't boot, old disks on new motherboard ("Tom")
Re: virus found after a fresh installation (Larry Ebbitt)
Re: It would seem that Redhat is a bit of a bugger! (Christopher Browne)
Kernel Panic: VFS: unsupported optional features ("Simon Willetts")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Anthony D. Tribelli")
Re: X-windows newbie question (Patton Echols)
Re: New Linux Install (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: Batch for Linux (Garry Knight)
Re: looking for uuexplode (David Rysdam)
How do I create a CAB file? ("Jon")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Nathan Culwell-Kanarek)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Christopher Browne)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Red Hat 6.2 Monitor problem
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:06:52 GMT
I just installed Red Hat Linux 6.2, but the resolution is 640x480.
Everything is too big. Is there anyway to change the resolution while
in Linux, or do I have to re-install and make sure I pick a different
monitor and resolution? Thanks.
-gsr_100
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:12:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
jabali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When IBM tried
> to produce a non-clonable prodcut - PS2 (sic) - they lost out and
> virtually had to get out of the PC market.
The PS/2 was not unclonable, and IBM did not get out of the PC market.
IBM offered to license the MCA, but their lawyers convinced them to
require terms that noone in his right mind would accept unless he was
the new boy on the block. Specifically, in order to get a license for
the MCA you had to agree to pay IBM a hefty fee for prior use of the
ISA.
BTW, there was at least one clone of the ABIOS for the PS/2. But, as I
said, if you had been selling clones of the old PC, PC/XT or PC/AT then
the license terms for the MCA were prohibitive.
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From: SOMERTON KENNEDY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: problem booting
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:29:53 GMT
i recently installed mandrake7.1 on my system and i decided to install
slackware7 onmy computer and now it will not reboot when i turn on the
system it says stage 1 thats it and icant use it to get into any
operating system please help you can email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:23:20 GMT
In article <HTOx5.1724$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now consider someone working with his computer for interactive tasks
> (wordprocessing, drawing, multimedia, etc...). What the job is about
is
> communicating with the machine, so one of the major quality
requirements
> will be a rich user interface. I personnally prefer (for interactive
tasks)
> software that has a rich interface (for instance Windows apps using
the GUI
> intensively) to software that I can run for three days without a
crash,
There are several problems with that. First, for an end user, a major
part of quality is being able to figure out how to do his job. If the
help data are useless nad the hardcopy manuals are a joke, then it
doesn't matter how pretty or rich the interface is. Not that I agree
that the m$ interface is either; it isn't.
Another problem is that a crash often loses the user's data, and even
when it doesn't it disrupts his train of thought. I doubt that you would
get a user looking at the BSOD to agree that it is quality.
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From: Dan Chirica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Suse 6.4 / 7.0
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:30:22 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does anybody know a place where I can download Suse 6.4 or 7.0
I tried suse's home site, but all I could find was the whole thing which
is over 3Gb in size.
What I want is something that will fit on one CD-ROM.
Thanks to all of you.
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:30:25 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> And the reason that most stores carried primarily MS based systems
> is because that's where the demand was.
Not quite; the reason that most stores sold machines bundled with
windows was that microsoft used predatory tactics. Specifically, if they
wanted a discount then they had to agree to pay a license fee per
machine shipped, even if the customer didn't want windows on that
machine. That's hardly news; it was publicized in the prior antitrust
suit, and Ann Bingamon let them off the hook with a nearly toothless
consent decree that wasn't enforced.
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From: SOMERTON KENNEDY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: problems booting up
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:36:43 GMT
irecently installed linuxmandrake7.1on my system and idecided to install
slackware7 on it to the message iget is this stage1 thats it and now my
computer will not reboot to any operating system please help thanks in
advance
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:35:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
jabali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You are mixing up hardware with software. All operating system
software are
> proprietary (excepting Linux of course) - single source product.
Not true. Originally most operating systems were free, and came with the
source code.
> Moreover, if
> you have a copy of a software and can use it successfully, it is not
that big a
> problem if the company disappears. Well, you won't get any more
updates - but
> you can get an equivalent software from another source more or less at
the same
> price as an upgrade. For hardware it is different. If a single source
hardware
> company disappears, you are left with a problem of compatibility.
Replacing
> software wholesale is much cheaper than hardware.
You've got it backwards; most companies have a far larger investment in
their data, especially in their programs, than they do in their
hardware. Moving to new software can be extremely expensive.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It would seem that Redhat is a bit of a bugger!
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:42:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Darren Keirle wrote:
>
> That may be because people using Red Hat and are not having problems
are not
> posting complaints and questions.
<AOL>
Yeah, I had problem installing RH 6.2, but I worked through them in less
time than it would have taken me to get a response back from users on
Usenet. Compared to some of the hooror stories from people installing
applications and upgrades for an unnamed operating system from Redmond,
those problems were insignificant. For a first-time install of an
operating system that I had never used, it was a lot smoother than I
could reasonably have expected. YMMV.
</AOL>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew J. Perrin)
Subject: Re: Stopping telnetd, ftpd starting at boot?
Date: 19 Sep 2000 17:58:19 -0400
Slip Gun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Loading these deamons at boottime obviously presents a nasty security
> risk. Is there an easy way of stopping my linux box doing this (pref.
> without editing init.d files)?
> Cheers,
> Ed
What security risk, exactly? Both are still regulated by the
authentication layer, although passwords are unencrypted; perhaps
that's what you're talking about.
Taking them out of /etc/inetd.conf should do it, assuming you're not
actually running them as their own daemons, which would be very unusual.
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From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux doesn't boot, old disks on new motherboard
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:10:16 -0700
Hi,
A couple of months ago, I installed a linux box, ABIT BP6 motherboard with
two hard drives, I installed SuSE 6.3 on them, one is on /dev/hda, the other
on /dev/hde. They have been running fine without any problems.
This weekend, I made another computer using a different motherboard (ABIT
KT7), and I wasn't able to get the /dev/hde work, so I cannot boot those two
disks, it stops in the middle, and pretty much gave a stack trace. I
guess it's having problem accessing /dev/hde. is there a way I can change
the fstab or something, and make it look for /dev/hdb instead?
My next try will be book with a floppy, and try to change the /etc/fstab,
does this sound right to you? or you have any better ideas?
Any help will be appreciated.
--
Tom Lu
http://www.PriceHive.com - How much is the gas in your city?
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:30:20 -0400
From: Larry Ebbitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: virus found after a fresh installation
Gareth Williams wrote:
>
> "... fresh installatio", eh? Hmmm. That almost sucks.
>
Not bad. I read it twice before I got it.
--
Larry Ebbitt - Linux + OS/2 - Atlanta
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: It would seem that Redhat is a bit of a bugger!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:58:07 GMT
In our last episode (Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:30:56 -0700),
the artist formerly known as elemental said:
>So this Darren Keirle character tells us...
>#
># Reading through this newgroup all i can see is people having problems with
># redhat!
># Could this be that the over commercialized Distro is only made to run on
># its developers pcs, and any other specced pc is not fit!
># I would seriously turn people away if they were thinking of getting
># redhat, as it is not too good at all! and Riddled with buggs!
>
>And you say this why? Based solely on a few complaints you see here? Have
>you actually used RedHat? Do you even know what you're talking about?
Good questions.
It very well might be that Red Hat Linux is as riddled with bugs as
has been suggested, but that cannot be established merely from there
being a few reports of problems on Usenet.
A _proper_ assessment would require having some sort of "census" so as
to know where the population of error reports comes from.
For instance, making up some numbers, supposing there were 10x as many
users of Red Hat as there are of (say) SuSE, but only 5x as many
reports of problems, that would imply that users are having much
_better_ success with Red Hat than with SuSE.
All we can possibly measure _here_ is the total number of reports of
problems, which establishes _nothing_ about the total population of
users.
And we hear of very few problems concerning TurboLinux Server Edition;
that does not prove that it is less bugged, but rather that its users
pay a pot of money out and thus the engineers that use it have direct
support from the engineers that develop it...
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under AIX." -- Pete Ehlke in comp.unix.aix
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From: "Simon Willetts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel Panic: VFS: unsupported optional features
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:00:12 -0400
Hi,
I've been sent 2 different hard drives in 6 months running RH6.2 from a
remote system linux box, for some unknown reason they go haywire and give
the following message. I've been unable to fix the problem short of booting
from a floppy and re-building the ext2fs which destroys the files in some
instances. I've still not been able to ascertain what causes the problem in
the first place and am now going to send a fresh install out with as much of
the system mounted read only as i can. Anyone got any quick fix tips or
ideas on what's causing the problem?
Partition check
hda:hda1 hda2 <hda5 hda6 hda7 hda8 hda9 hda10>
autodetecting RAID arrays
autorun...........
.......autorun DONE
EXT2-fs:ide0(3,6):couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features.
Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 03:06
Many thanks in advance for any inspirational help/comments/solutions.
Simon Willetts
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From: "Anthony D. Tribelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: 20 Sep 2000 00:58:58 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Microsoft's "lead" was miniscule compared to the amount of
>> time they sandbagged on fully exploiting the 386 architecture
>> or delivering a viable GUI.
>
> Really. I was happily using os/2, with 32 bit pre-emptive multithreading
> multitasking it's wonderfull WPS GUI while mickysoft users were using that
> pathetic windoze 3.1 running a top dos with nearly nonexistant
> multitasking. OS/2 ran dos sessions in V8086 boxes well enough to fool
> a windoze 3.1 instalation to run win31 apps perfectly except those that
> had to bypass all the microsoft crap and talk directly to the hardware like
> communications programs.
>
> 7 years later and MS is finally getting around to dumping DOS, but needs
> 16 times the processor and memory to achive the same results.
You do realize that OS/2 1.x was Microsoft's second attempt to dump DOS
and that Microsoft's first attempt to dump DOS was Xenix? WinNT (aka OS/2
NT) a third attempt? But those damn end users ...
Tony
==================
Tony Tribelli
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Patton Echols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: X-windows newbie question
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:08:51 -0700
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> In our last episode (Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:10:33 -0700),
> the artist formerly known as Patton Echols said:
<SNIP>
> >So, where would a person find a guide or useful info about 1) selecting
> >a window manager and 2) configuring the darn thing. WindowMaker was
> >suggested as a small, fast option but my guess is that finding that
> >program would just be the beginning . . .
>
> The canonical site for picking and choosing window managers is
> <http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/>
>
> As for configuring it, there are two pieces:
> a) Each WM potentially has its own individual configuration scheme;
> look to the docs for the WM in question for info on that.
>
> b) Most Linux distribution tend to have some scheme for invoking the
> window manager; this often involves configuration in the file
> $HOME/.xsession, although that can vary...
>
> If you specify what distribution you are using, it may prove easier to
> provide straight answers. (Mind you, if we aren't using the same
> distribution, it may be tough to predict things, but it's at least a
> starting point for discussion...)
I'm using RH 6.1. I managed to find WindowMaker on the CD and RPM'd
it. Managed to get it to run as well. (By creating a .xinitrc for
individual user, if I can get it looking like I want i'll make it
system wide) Frankly it is butt ugly. I have found the configuration
tool, but it is far from easy and I can't figure out how to get the
icons to look like something besides a bruise. Tonight I am headed back
to the documentation for another go, but if it gets no better than this,
I'll stick to enlightenment, slow or not.
As an aside, how do the menus know what programs are installed? Some
config file? Do I need to maintain that file?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: New Linux Install
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:01:57 GMT
On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:51:45 -0400,
James M. Luongo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I plan on installing Linux Mandrake 7.1 for the first time. I need some
: help. How big should the partitions be? And, I heard something about
: LiLo not recognizing a Linux partition after a certain disk cylinder (or
: sector, whatever). I think it was 1023, but I'm not sure. Is this
: true? Help!
Since you're installing Mandrake 7.1, the 1024 cylinder limit is a
non-factor. Why? It uses grub for its bootloader, so no 1024 cylinder
limit..
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From: Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Batch for Linux
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:22:32 +0100
On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, William W. wrote:
>In our last episode (Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:14:07 GMT),
>the artist formerly known as Christopher Browne said:
>>There is _NO SUCH THING AS A FILE EXTENSION on Unix_.
>From the poster's perspective, it doesn't matter how the
>name is stored, what matters is that gunzip does indeed care that it is
>given a file that ends with ".gz".
To be perfectly pedantic, gunzip isn't Unix. Filename "extensions" or
"suffixes" might mean something to applications, just as MIME types may, but
to Unix (and Linux, etc) they don't mean a thing.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Rysdam)
Subject: Re: looking for uuexplode
Date: 20 Sep 2000 00:44:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>if you know where to get it, pleast let me know.
>
>laters
>
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>
>
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Reply-To: "Jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How do I create a CAB file?
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:56:28 +1100
Hi,
I was wondering if there is a small util out there that will compress a file
into a .CAB file - much like the gzip util, but into the Windows Cabinet
format.
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathan Culwell-Kanarek)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:02:35 GMT
On 20 Sep 2000 00:58:58 GMT, "Anthony D. Tribelli"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You do realize that OS/2 1.x was Microsoft's second attempt to dump DOS
>and that Microsoft's first attempt to dump DOS was Xenix? WinNT (aka OS/2
>NT) a third attempt? But those damn end users ...
I thought that OS/2 was IBM, not Microsoft.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:09:15 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Nathan Culwell-Kanarek would say:
>On 20 Sep 2000 00:58:58 GMT, "Anthony D. Tribelli"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>You do realize that OS/2 1.x was Microsoft's second attempt to dump DOS
>>and that Microsoft's first attempt to dump DOS was Xenix? WinNT (aka OS/2
>>NT) a third attempt? But those damn end users ...
>
>I thought that OS/2 was IBM, not Microsoft.
I knew people who did co-op work terms in Redmond, Washington, working
on OS/2 back in the late 1980s.
IBM may have _funded_ it, but roughly until the time of version 1.3,
Microsoft was contracted by IBM to write a whole lot of the _code._
Some of that code actually survived to OS/2 2.0... :-(
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